Assalamu 'alaykum, who is ibn taymiyyah?

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joldas

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Assalamu 'alaykum,

first ramadan mubarak for all muslims.

who is ibn taymiyyah? i have not much knowledge about islam.

who is ibn taymiyyah? i have find many contradicted issues on is ibn taymiyyah?
some say, he is great schoolar, he prevented from bidah.

and some other say, he is make fitna within muslims, and give christanity "color" to the islam, by giving attribute to Allah and places etc., it is not ahli sunna. who is right , i do not know him, and i am matudiry aqeedah and they said you are missleaded...ibin taymiiah is right,,,and it is seems the over 30 million china and other central asia muslims all in matudiry aqeedah ...........anyone could make this clear...thanks
 
AdamMuslim

AdamMuslim

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Assalamou Alikom,

Ibn Taymiyah is one of the greatest scholar of Islam.
Back in his time there were lots of quasi-muslim with twisted faith (mainly a faction of Sufi people such as Al-Hallaj). He fought them as should do a genuine scholar but they fought him back and tried to ruin his reputation.

Several lies and false accusation were forged to discredit him buy those who saw in him a great threat to their twisted faith.

He also have shown a great deal of courage and faith during one of the darkest period of Islam, when the Mongol seemed unstoppable, he succeed in the unification of the Muslim armies to fight and expel them. That alone, in itself, is a great testimony of his righteousness.

In my opinion we owe him very much.
And Allah knows Best.

Wassalam.

 
muharram23

muharram23

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Salamu alaykum

Shaykhul islaam ibn taymiyaah was a great scholar of the sunnah some 7-8 hundred years ago. He fought people of innovations with sound knowledge. He was a faqih, a muhadith, a mujtahid a mufassir, master in Arabic language. You name it and he was that. He fought people of innovations and taught people the correct aqeedah that gives Allah it's names and attributes the way it is mentioned in Quran and sunnah and the understanding of companions.

Therefore, people of innovations and corrupt aqeedah hate him and say he used to make fitnah. People of innovations are the ones causing fitnah because they bring confusion to the Muslims by teaching them that which is not in Quran and sunnah nor did we find the first 3 generations ever talk something like that.

On top of that, he was put to be the leader of Muslim army who lead the jihad against the tartar (mongol) invasion of Baghdad and shaam area. With Allah's permission and mercy the shaykh and Muslim army defeated the tartars. There's a great story of him actually going straight to the tartar leader and talking to him without fear. The mongol king was a tough man and fighter. But when this man with great iman was infrint of him he felt very scared.

So brother and sister please open ur mind and don't listen to those people but read some of his works and u will see who this great scholar was. He was so great that he was one if the few who were called shaykhul islaam (the scholar of this religion of islaam)

Yeah so he was great may Allah have mercy upon him.

Ameen

Wassalam
 
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dunno

Junior Member
:astag: There is no doubt that ibn taymiah was one of the best scholars in Islam
he was the first scholar who was given the name Shiekh al islam
shiekh ( scholar ) of islam because he was the leader of the muslims at that time and his writing in every subject especially against the people of innovation is amazing sheikh muhammad bin abdulwahab ( the man who by allah's help cleansed modern Saudi arabia from shirk ) studied his book

the ummah owe him a great deal of gradtitude and dua

as my brother commented above the people of innovation hate him because he reveals their beliefs to the muslims and fight them
 
abubaseer

abubaseer

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:salam2:

Even some Sufi Scholars, respect him.

Abul Hasan Ali Nadwi May Allah have Mercy on him, even though was a Sufi Scholar of Arabaic and History from India, devoted almost one full Volume to Ibn Taymiyyah May Allah have Mercy on him in his Book "Tareekh E Daawat O 'Azeemat" which is basically a List of Great Muslims.

:wasalam:
 
J

joldas

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Assalamu galaykum, i`ve got it a lot there. thanks.
found sufis seems enemy with him. i am first hearing he deafted mongol. i am the turik people from central asia. i know the history that i know the turik beybaris sultan deafeted the great mongol empire, then mongol gone to "minus".

but what about i`ve heared that he saying：

1. Allah setting on the throne(arshi), and muhammed s.w.w.s setting behind.
2. and he give Allah the body?


he said that or not. and this saying is right ?
and i know Ali r.a said that "Allah create arshi for showing Allah`s greatness, not for setting.." if i say this hadith not complete or wrong , anyone plz, give it correct.

Allah keshire gor...

i am very fearing, sweating writing on this words....but i have to clear.

jazaka Allah hayir.
 
abubaseer

abubaseer

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joldas said:
but what about i`ve heared that he saying：

1. Allah setting on the throne(arshi), and muhammed s.w.w.s setting behind.
2. and he give Allah the body?

jazaka Allah hayir.
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:salam2: Akhi,

Could you please ask the reference to person who told you about #1.

As for #2, Allah said to us in Quran about his characteristics himself.
Like Allah having hands, face etc.

So, if is Allah says he has hands We believe he has hands.

BUT,

#1 we believe his hands, face etc are not like the hands or face of Human beings or any of the Creation.

#2 we don't describe how his hands are because he has not described it.

And this was belief of all of the Salaf, Imam Ahmed Bin Hambal, Ash Shafee even Hanafi Scholars like Tahawi May Allah have Mercy on them all.

However, at a certain point in the History, some Muslims became very influenced by the Greek Philosophy and used to understand and interpret Islam based on Philosophy rather than Quran and Sunnah.

These same Muslims under influence of Greek Philosophy started to deny and interpret the characteristics which Allah said about Himself!

And these people in turn call the people who follow Quran and Sunnah and the Belief of earliest generation of Muslim Scholars as 'Mujassim' giving Body to Allah.

Ibn Taymiyyah refuted many of these Phillosphers and he was also called Mujassim by them.

:wasalam:
 
Asja

Asja

Pearl of Islaam
Assalamu allaicum wa raahmatullah wa barakatuhu

I am not so much knowledgable about Sheikhs of Islaam, but from how I know Ibn Taymiyah was one of the best Schoolars of Islaam,and how much I know and red of his works, he is saying only from Quraan and Sunnah Mashallah. SubhanAllah, it is very sad to hear that there are Schoolars who are saying against and backbiting truthfull Schoolars of Islaam, even puting thier words in wrong contest and in misunderstanding, Astagfirullah.

Only Allah subhan we teala is the most knowledgable abour everything and His words always remain, praise be to Him, and after Allah Words is Sunnah of our beloved Prophet Mohammed sallahu alayha wa salam,and on the end are truthfull Schoolars of Islaam who are helping with better understanding of Islaam.

may Allah guide you dear sister/ brother and help you find your answers. ameen summa ameen

:wasalam:
 
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Abu Talib

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joldas said:
Assalamu galaykum, i`ve got it a lot there. thanks.
found sufis seems enemy with him. i am first hearing he deafted mongol. i am the turik people from central asia. i know the history that i know the turik beybaris sultan deafeted the great mongol empire, then mongol gone to "minus".
jazaka Allah hayir.
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Mongols under the king Ghazan had invaded syria and defeated the Sultan's army. The religious divines and saints where leaving Damascus to take refuge in Egypt.The Mongols threat arosed second time, Ibn Taimiyah exhorted people to Jihad and encouraged them to confront the Mongols boldly. He fought the battle in Shaqhab in which the syrian-egyptian army won against the Mongols thereby due to his effort of uniting the people they held the Mongols advance further
 
muharram23

muharram23

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arzafar said:
:wasalam:

you have been given the wrong info but dont worry. Just read the following topics and make your mind up about what is the correct islamic belief.

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=15

it's very disappointing to know that so many 'muslims' are not muslims. i was also fed with the wrong aqeeda but Allah guided me to this site.
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Salamu alaykum

Alhamdulliaah Allah guided us to the right and correct aqeedah. Ameen

Wasalam
 
Al-Kashmiri

Al-Kashmiri

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Wa`alaykum us-salaam warahmatullaah

Abu Talib said:
Mongols under the king Ghazan had invaded syria and defeated the Sultan's army. The religious divines and saints where leaving Damascus to take refuge in Egypt.The Mongols threat arosed second time, Ibn Taimiyah exhorted people to Jihad and encouraged them to confront the Mongols boldly. He fought the battle in Shaqhab in which the syrian-egyptian army won against the Mongols thereby due to his effort of uniting the people they held the Mongols advance further
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To add to this, he was the only one who dared to and was brave enough to face Ghazan and shout in his face. From wikipedia...

He [Ghazan] was indeed feared and despised by the Mamluk, who sent a delegation of leading scholars and Imams including Ibn Taymiyya, to Maragheh. In order to persuade Ghazan Khan, the Khan of the Mongol Ilkhans in occupied-Iran, to stop his attack on the Muslims. There it is reported that not one of the scholars dared to say anything to Ghazan except Ibn Taymiyyah who said:

"You claim that you are Muslim and you have with you Mu'adhdhins, Muftis, Imams and Shaykhs but you invaded us and reached our country for what? Although your father and your grandfather, Hulagu were non-believers, they did not attack us and they kept their promise. But you promised and broke your promise."
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I'm not sure if that's the correct or even full story, but after that, it's said that Ibn Taymiyyah was called forward to which the other scholars lifted their clothes/thawbs, as they thought Ghazan was going to chop off Ibn Taymiyyah's head and they didn't want to be covered in blood. Instead, Ibn Taymiyyah was rewarded for what he said...

Here's another account,

His [Ibn Taymiyyah] jihad was not only an ideological one, but he also personally participated in the battles against the Tartar army. In 699 AH, when the Egyptians army was unsuccessful in holding of the Tartar army from Damascus, almost all of the inhabitants of the city had fled and so the few remaining patricians of the city, among them Ibn Taymiyyah, decided to meet the Tartar king and ask for the peace of the city. While the others trembled in his presence and would dare not speak out, Ibn Taymiyyah was uninhibited and strongly defended truth and justice. One of his companions in the delegation recounts Ibn Taymiyyah's courage:

"I was with the Sheikh on this occasion. He set forth in his address to the King the Quranic verses and ahadith enjoining fairness and just conduct. His voice gradually rising, he was drawing nearer to the king until his knees were about to touch those of Ghazan who was attentively listening to the Sheikh but didn't appear to be displeased with him. He was straining his ears as if struck with awe. At last he asked, 'Who is he? I have never seen a man like him -- so brave and courageous; none has made a dent in my heart as he!' the Sheikh was then introduced to the King. The Sheikh said to the King: 'You claim to be a Muslim. I have been told that you have with you a Qadi and an Imam, a Sheikh and a mu`adhdhin; yet you have deemed it proper to march upon Muslims. Your forefathers were heathens, but they always abstained from breaking the promise once made by them. They redeemed the pledges they made, but you violate the word of honor given by you. You trample underfoot your solemn declarations in order to lay a hand on the servants of Allah!' "

His companion adds that despite Ibn Taymiyyah's remonstrance in a strong language, the King bade him good-bye with the highest mark of respect. He ever set free, on Ibn Taymiyyah's recommendation, a good number of prisoners. Ibn Taymiyyah often used to say: 'Only he fears who has a sickness of heart.'

Then in 702 AH, he participated in the battle of Shaqaab and helped defeat the Tartars
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http://www.jannah.org/articles/taymiyyah.html
 
J

joldas

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mashallah, jazaka Allah hayir！！！

but you all did not answer my question, i am doubt in ibin taymiyyah.

i gave you this link,

http://www.sunnah.org/articles/Wahhabiarticleedit.htm

you can read a lot about ibin taymiyyah ,
and i am asked, if this info in this link about ibin taymiyyah is true, if that is true, is it right sayings？

i have post there about ibin taymiayhh copying from that site, but it has been deleted...
 
AdamMuslim

AdamMuslim

Junior Member
Assalamou Alykom Wrahmatou Allah,

Dear brother,

Just ask yourself a simple question: who is this Zubeir Qamar ??? is he a scholar ? does he really exist? Because if he is willing to criticize a Giant like Ibn-Taymyah he better be a scholar of great caliber and trustworthiness.

Ok, I've read his paper and a first glance I feel that he is not trustworthy. Your logical reaction would be why ? Simply because if you look at his bibliography you will be surprised by the kind of people he is citing:

Nadav Safran: A zionist (see paragraph 9) who was involved in a scandal (see paragraph 5) with CIA.
Emmanuel Sivan: another israeli jew.
Hisham Kabbani: A pseudo-scholar Sufi who does not represent at all the mainstream Islam (to say the least!).
Gilles Kepel: A French scholar whose objectivity and professionalism is questioned here by another French scholar.
Now, my question is: are you really ready to capitalize on ONE suspect article of this unknown person and who bases his analysis on the work of criminal Zionist (Nadav Safran) ?

We as Muslim we should listen to GIANTS scholars like Al-Albani, Ibn-Baz, etc, etc from whom we take our faith and not to some Zubair Qamar or Nadav Safran !!!

If you find one of those trusted scholars criticizing Ibn Taymyah please let me know.

Wassalam

 
muharram23

muharram23

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joldas said:
mashallah, jazaka Allah hayir！！！

but you all did not answer my question, i am doubt in ibin taymiyyah.

i gave you this link,

http://www.sunnah.org/articles/Wahhabiarticleedit.htm

you can read a lot about ibin taymiyyah ,
and i am asked, if this info in this link about ibin taymiyyah is true, if that is true, is it right sayings？

i have post there about ibin taymiayhh copying from that site, but it has been deleted...
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Salamu alaykum

It's not true there u go. Read a book on aqeedah called "aqeedatul wasatiyah" by ibn taymiyah and it will be clear what he was upon.

Wassalam
 
J

joldas

Banned
AdamMuslim said:
Assalamou Alykom Wrahmatou Allah,

Dear brother,

Just ask yourself a simple question: who is this Zubeir Qamar ??? is he a scholar ? does he really exist? Because if he is willing to criticize a Giant like Ibn-Taymyah he better be a scholar of great caliber and trustworthy.

Ok, I've read his paper and a first glance I feel that he is not trustworthy. Your logical reaction would be why ? Simply because if you look at his bibliography you will be surprised by the kind of people he is citing:

Nadav Safran: A zionist (see paragraph 9) who was involved in a scandal (see paragraph 5) with CIA.
Emmanuel Sivan: another jew.
Hisham Kabbani: A pseudo-scholar Sufi who does not represent at all the mainstream Islam (to say the least!).
Gilles Kepel: A French scholar whose objectivity and professionalism is questioned here by another French scholar.
Now, my question is: are you really ready to capitalize on ONE suspect article of this unknown person and who bases his analysis on the work of criminal Zionist (Nadav Safran) ?

We as Muslim we should listen to GIANTS scholars like Al-Albani, Ibn-Baz, etc, etc from whom we take our faith and not to some Zubair Qamar or Nadav Safran !!!

If you find one of those trusted scholars criticizing Ibn Taymyah please let me know.

Wassalam
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Assalamu galaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu.

jazak Allah hayir.

i am learned a lot from you, i don not know them who they are - the papers author. i am very glad you help me to get rid from their mud. i`ll remember those persons and will be cautious.

i`ve get clear point now.

Aguzugubillah. Allah save me from those wrong path and materials, papers, articles.

jazaka Allah haiyr for you all.

but who is this men " Abu Ala Bukhari " and "Imam Zahid al-Kawthari"?

and there is a saying on that paper:

"For example, orthodox Sunni scholar Abu Ala Bukhari accused people of unbelief (kufr) if they called Ibn Taymiyah “Shaykh”. Imam Zahid al-Kawthari accused Ibn Taymiyah’s positions on the creed to be tantamount to apostasy."

jazaka Allah haiyr.
 
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