Why do people trust tasfirs alot?

Salam brothers and sisters,

I don't know if I'm being a troll or a spammer, but i really want to know. Am i normal? The reason I ask that is because my aspiration is so confusing

You see its just that im really intriuiged by it. My intuition for it is different from a normal curious person. Like i liked the Unknown since childhood (as far as I can remember). Also I don't know if I had these dreams before when i was a child, but like a year or 2 years ago I had some wierd feelings and I had dreams, which I cannot remember, i remember one was concerning Jinns, and well some quran ayats also lightened and enforced my aspiration to know the reason and the purpose. truely don't know if this aspiration is about unknown as in creation (i.e. universe, jinns, Alif Laam Meem) or if it unknown/unseen that is beyond like the ghayb or absolute like the keys to the ghayb or maybe something else. Whenever I pray or before I go to sleep I always ask Allah for Guidance, I ask him to show me and understand my dream and if its from shaitain destroy the dreams and I ask to understand it, if its just unknown or the ghayb (beyond). Im also interested in the keys to the universe...but yeah..The only reason I asked here on TTI is because i want understand it and its purpose its so hard to explain and really mind consuming

Also recently i had a dream but also i had a random thought of me as a aerospace engineering being sent to Saturn. Apparently there as an unknown body (a rogue planet) made out of something and no physics even M-theory and stuff could explain in, and that effected Saturn so pretty much you can stand on a gas planet. Anyway I used a mass driver (kinda like a accelerator) to boost me onto the rouge planet. I then went inside the planet and saw some unknown tunnels and stuff written on the walls. The energy of the planet and temperature was really weird, like it got hotter as i go deeper but it fluctuated. It felt comfortable, then i had a weird feeling in my dream and in my thought and i found some piece of what looks like a metal and then i hear/feel something and i run back to my ship and come back to earth

Brothers and sisters, I'm not an amazing Muslim i have committed sins but idk what this dreams are and what my aspiration is...help me find out..i pray to Allah that I find my answers and I don't know if its the unknown or the ghayb. Also to my understanding apparently the ghayb is the unseen knowledge/power/or whatever it is/beyond..then shouldn't it be also considered the unknown..See thats whats confusing me, too..please help..i hope I'm not weird.

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(34) Verily the knowledge of the Hour is with Allah (alone). It is He Who sends down rain, and He Who knows what is in the wombs. Nor does any one know what it is that he will earn on the morrow: Nor does any one know in what land he is to die. Verily with Allah is full knowledge and He is acquainted (with all things).

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Waseem203: Unseen and unknown are one and the same brother, so the keys fit both terms. Nonetheless, they are with Allah only so will never become known to us. Also, how can something be beyond the unseen or unknown? The unknown is as far as it gets, if we don't know anything about something, can we not know about it to a higher degree?

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(59) With Him are the keys of the unseen, the treasures that none knoweth but He. He knoweth whatever there is on the earth and in the sea. Not a leaf doth fall but with His knowledge: there is not a grain in the darkness (or depths) of the earth, nor anything fresh or dry (green or withered), but is (inscribed) in a record clear (to those who can read).

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Aapa said:

Assalaam walaikum,

Salam,

I am unsure of what it is that you seek. Can't type much today so I had to ask simple question.

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Al-Kashmiri said:

Wa`alaykum us-salaam

Akhi, do you have a link to the initial thread? I think that will help me understand what is going on. I can see your thread has a specific context, but the title/question a general one, so I'll try to respond generally inshaa' Allaah.

Tafsir can be a very reliable source, but I think this would vary depending on the belief and methodology employed mufassir (the author of the tafsir).

One of the main ways of explaining the Qur'aan (tafsir) is through the Qur'aan itself. So the verse being explained is explained through like verses. A secondary source (if thats the right term) is the authentic sunnah of the Prophet (sall Allaahu `alayhi wasallam) with respect to given verses of the Qur'aan, or the information they contain. These two sources are of course reliable.

Another major source of tafsir is the Arabic language. A brother told me today that Ibn Jarir At-Tabari included hundreds of lines of ancient Arabic poetry in his monumental tafsir. More recently some brothers have extracted all these lines of poetry from his tafsir, and its amounted to three volumes! Of course, such information would explain the meanings and usage of certain words in the Qur'aan...

The problem lies when the author of a tafsir is an innovator who sports corrupt `aqeedah. Obviously, you can only imagine him to use whatever he can to argue verses of the Qur'aan in favour of his innovation. But alhamdulillaah, the scholars speak against these individuals and warn against their books.

As for the scholars of ahl us-sunnah who were known for their tafsirs, then they largely used the Qur'aan, Sunnah and Arabic language to explain the verses of the Qur'aan. These are no doubt reliable sources and can be trusted. But sometimes, weak ahaadeeth, and Israeli stories are used in hadeeth, and therefore the interpretations may not be true at all. At other times, an author may write/explain from his own opinions, but if this is the case, then you'd spot it a mile away.

Inshaa' Allaah this gives you a better idea on the sources and methodology of tafseer...

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True_Sultan said:

Salam brother, im seeking two things. One is that why do people trust tasfirs, when apparently tasfirs are commentary of quranic verses (as it could be wrong) and another is that is the tasfir regarding the ghayb and its keys are wrong?

I did write alot, but you know i wanted to get my thought out with evidence. Sorry i typed alot



Salam Al-Kashmiri,

Here is the link you wanted:

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68910

I really thought that the quotes would've been enough :lol:

I understand your point, but i mean..i thought that the tasfirs were commentaries based on the quranic verses..but correct me if i'm wrong but isn't commentaries based on opinion and comprehensions? If that's so some people view the quran in different light. So which one is going to be correct, well we will never know unless a good tiding arrives. I mean if there is a tasfir that alot of commentators have opined then I guess that tasfir may be trusted. Plus on the tasfir of the ghayb, i read a book called "the Great Beyond" and there is a tasfir in that book that states differently..Well it states that the scholars opine...but when a scholar opines it is considered a tasfir I guess. Anyway i created a thread with the link, here it is:

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66710

the attached PDF is located on the 11th post by me, Thank You for your help brothers and sisters.

Also thanks for your reply's...jakaz Allah Khair

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Aisya al-Humaira said:

Assalamua'alaykum wa rahmatullah,

Akhi True_Sultan, the post above should be enough to sum up your question and your passion to know on the Ghayb. Reread it a few times akhi. And ponder what has been said.

Just a sincere advice.

Wassalam.

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besmiralalbani said:

Ibn Katheer is based on the general rules of Tafseer that are:

1- An explanation of one aya, with another aya (verse) which explains it in details
2- Explanation of the aya with a Hadith (by his -salallahu alayhi wa sallam- words and actions)
3- Interpretation of the Sahaba -radiallahu anhum- that lived with the Prophet - salallahu alayhi wa sallam- and applied the Qur'an as they understood it by the Prophet - salallahu alayhi wa sallam- and they trasmitted the interpretation to us.
4- Tabeen (Those that have lived with the Companions of the Prophet (radiallahu anhum) but they didn't see the Prophet - salallahu alayhi wa sallam-)
5- To understand an aya, we have to see the motive why this aya has been brought. Sometimes some aya are brought to comment an event that happened in that time and we have to know that event which helps us to understand the meaning of the aya.
6- And the linguistic meaning of the aya, and the rules of Arabic grammar.
7- The scientist of the Tafseer has to know all this things when he comments an aya.

So this persons that makes the tafseer in which we rely, have a deep knowledge, know the Qur'aan, know a lot of Hadith, know a lot about story (with proofs), and we rely on them because Allah says about those who He has given knowledge:

...Allah will exalt in degree those of you who believe, and those who have been granted knowledge. And Allah is Well-Acquainted with what you do. (Al Mujaadila 58: 11)

Is one who is obedient to Allah, prostrating himself or standing (in prayer) during the hours of the night, fearing the Hereafter and hoping for the Mercy of his Lord (like one who disbelieves)? Say: "Are those who know equal to those who know not?" It is only men of understanding who will remember (i.e. get a lesson from Allah's Signs and Verses). (Az Zumar 39: 9)

Allah bears witness that La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), and the angels, and those having knowledge (also give this witness); (Ali Imran 3: 18)

So all this people who make the tafseer of the Qur'aan, I am talking about those who are in the right path, they have been given a deep knowledge by Allah. And the Messenger of Allah -salallahu alayhi wa sallam- said:

"Allah doesn't raise up the knowledge taking it from the chest of the scholars but He raises it up taking the souls of the scholars, until there will be no scholar left. At that timethe people will take the ignorants as being learned, they will ask them (the ignorants) and they answer without knowledge, so they go through a loss and make the others deviate.” ( Buhari nr.100)


-As for the GHAYB I am not an expert and I try to stay away from the large number of questions about it. If I can not see a thing, if I don't know a thing in the future... then I simply don't try to know it because:
"This is the Book (the Quran), whereof there is no doubt, a guidance to those who are Al-Muttaqun [the pious and righteous persons who fear Allah much (abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds which He has forbidden) and love Allah much (perform all kinds of good deeds which He has ordained)]. Who believe in the Ghaib (Unseen, unknown) and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat)" (Al BAqara 2: 2-3)

So brother Allah teaches us in the first aya about who are the MUTTAQUN... and the conditions of being MUTTAQUN... and we have to accept it.
Then:
And with Him are the keys of the Ghaib (all that is hidden), none knows them but He. And He knows whatever there is in (or on) the earth and in the sea; not a leaf falls, but he knows it. There is not a grain in the darkness of the earth nor anything fresh or dry, but is written in a Clear Record. (Al An'aam 6: 59)
WE DON'T KNOW THE GHAYB... Allah says this celarly... we can not know it, and if we try brother to know it there is a big probability that we deviate, we loose... We don't see Allah, we don't see the angels, we don't see the prophets, we don't see the revelation, we don't see the Day of Judgment, we don't see the Qadar, but we believe in... this is the definition of Emaan by the hadith of 'Umar ibn al-Khattab -radiallahu anhu-, when Jibril -alayhi sallam- asked Rasool -salallahu alayhi wa sallam- about Islam, Emaan, Ihsaan and the Hour.

And no bearer of burdens shall bear another's burden, and if one heavily laden calls another to (bear) his load, nothing of it will be lifted even though he be near of kin. You (O Muhammad SAW) can warn only those who fear their Lord unseen, and perform As-Salat (IqamatasSalat). And he who purifies himself (from all kinds of sins), then he purifies only for the benefit of his ownself. And to Allah is the (final) Return (of all). (Fatir 35: 18 )

I wrote an article from Islamqa on the previous post about ghayb and intuition that you questioned... and that article makes it clear that there is a risk to go astray if we think that we know something about the GHAYB... as the Sufist and Shiia have gone astray because they think their shaykhs know the ghayb...
Brother I am talking about myself now: I try to seek refuge in Allah saying ('Audhubilahi minna shaytani rrajim) when questions like this come in my mind, I try to read a reliable book about the question that I have... and I don't go deep inside this kind of things like he ghayb... because qe simply don't know it, from the evidence of the aya that I put before. I will end my post with this aya:

Buhari transmits that 'Aysha , radiyallahu anha, said: “Who says that knows the future, he has lied, then she read the aya" :
Verily, Allah! With Him (Alone) is the knowledge of the Hour, He sends down the rain, and knows that which is in the wombs. No person knows what he will earn tomorrow, and no person knows in what land he will die. Verily, Allah is All-Knower, All-Aware (of things). (Lluqman 31: 34)

salam alaykum brother

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ahmed_indian said:

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tafsirs helps us to understand Quran better, the circumstances present during their revelation, the verses abrogated, the time period, etc.

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True_Sultan said:

Salam brother, im seeking two things. One is that why do people trust tasfirs, when apparently tasfirs are commentary of quranic verses (as it could be wrong) and another is that is the tasfir regarding the ghayb and its keys are wrong?

Also thanks for your reply's...jakaz Allah Khair

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True_Sultan said:

Oh..awesome..but aren't tasfirs just commentaries...i don't know even if their commentaries are based on the quranic and hadeeth verse...the contemplation of the meaning could be somewhat wrong right?

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Aapa said:

Assalaam walaikum,

When it is agreed upon and makes sense and is rational..it is from the Quran and it goes back to the Quran over and over and over again leave it alone.

Allah subhana talla has the Right to Reveal and the Right to Keep Hidden. There is no magic number. There is no secret. It is. Leave it alone.

Make dua brother..make dua that Allah subhana talla grant you the middle of the Path in this life. Leave the questioning alone.

Forgive me, I am a simple and faithful woman. Insha'Allah I will make dua for you.

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hassana elkoussi said:

Salam brother,

I've noticed that all our dear brothers and sisters who tried to answer your question have either not been able to understand what is it exactly that you are asking about, or have answered you to the best of their abilities. I, personally, belong to the first group, since your question or rather questions are really weird , but still I'll try to answer u to the best of my abilities.

!) why do people trust tafsirs? Simply bec most of the people who do this job are the renowned scholars of the ummah. They have spent every minute of their lives studying and researching to be able to help their fellow muslims understand specific issues and to spread the Word of Allah all over the world. If their ijtihad is right, they are promised two ajrs ( double reward) and if they're wrong, they're promised one ajr ( reward). In other words, they are not punished bc they have done their best. Besides, let me ask you a question. If someone suffers from a certain illness, who would they resort to? Yes, a doctor. Why? Bec that's his field of specialization and if we resort to someone else, the results would simply be disastrous. The same thing applies to those who need to have a house built. They Must seek the help of specialists in that field. This is exactly what we should do in matters of religion. Who else would we resort to if there's an issue we don't understand. Besides, this is what Allah SWT has ordered us in HIS Book: ( So ask people of knowledge if you do not know- AL Anbiya' – 7) and these are our people of knowledge.

2) Are the tafsirs wrong with regards to AL Ghayb?? This is a question no one can answer, simply bc the Ghayb or the Unseen is " unseen- unknown" except to Allah SWT. Each and every one of them has done their best and interpreted these ayahs again to the best of their abilities. Besides, the very first verses of the very first surah of the Quran – AL Baqqarah- give a definition of the muttaqin ( people of taqwa) : "This book is no doubt a guidance to the muttaqin: those who believe in Al Ghayb)." . Notice Allah SWT has only said BELIEVE IN, not dig in. In other words, such things are to be taken for granted, bc if you keep on digging in such stuff, shaitan will eventually lead you to digging into more dangerous issues that are likely to lead to kufr. Moreover, when scholars would find different interpretations of certain verses that do not add to your aqidah, they simply say" this is knowledge that does not benefit and ignorance that does not harm." In other words, you will gain nothing if you keep on asking about such things and if u remain ignorant about such stuff, this ignorance will not harm u in any way. The Prophet ( pbuh) used to ask Allah to grant him " beneficial knowledge" and used to seek protection from knowledge that " does not benefit ." Besides, neither the Prophet pbuh nor did any of his companions show any curiosity about such stuff. So why would you?

Brother, this is a sisterly advice, seek only knowledge that leads you to attain the pleasure and contentment of Allah SWT and eventually to jannah and don't open up different shaitanic paths that can lead ( a'outhou billah ) to kufr.

Hope anything of this makes sense to you.

Salam alaikum

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ahmed_indian said:

:salam2:,

brother, those scholars were deep in faith, knowledge and wisdom. they were righteous humble souls. they surely did not speak with their own desires.

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besmiralalbani said:

Elhamdulilah,

Allah! La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists. Neither slumber, nor sleep overtake Him. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on earth. Who is he that can intercede with Him except with His Permission? He knows what happens to them (His creatures) in this world, and what will happen to them in the Hereafter. And they will never compass anything of His Knowledge except that which He wills. His Kursi extends over the heavens and the earth, and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them. And He is the Most High, the Most Great. [This Verse 2:255 is called Ayat-ul-Kursi.] (Al Baqara 2: 255)​

Brother this is the greatest aya inthe Qur'aan. And it clearly shows us that:
We know only what Allah want us to know... and we can not pass over this limited knowledge...
I use to think a lot too brother, and I can tell you that I see nearly every night a dream, but it is dangerous to go deeper in this things, because I have no knowledge to interpret them in the right way.
I try to give an explanation to everything that i dream, that passess in my mind by pondering it with Islam.
Because a lot of thoughts come from shaytaan too. If I listen to him, I will deviate, go astray, if I think with Islam then, InshaAllah I choose the best cure for my heart and for my soul.
So is this thing correct with Islam, is this thought correct with islam or not, is this dream correct with islam or not, is this behaviour correct with Islam or not, so our life is Islam, because we are slaves of Allah, we listen and we obey, expecially things like GHAYB that we can not know.
All the articles the aya that I have seen up to now about ghayb, tell us to believe in them but not to go so deep inside.
Jibril alayhi sallam, asked Rasool -salallahu alayhi wa sallam- about the Hour. But Rasool -salallahu alayhi wa sallam- said that the questioner does not know more about it than the one being questioned.
Think about this famous hadith brother, even Jibril -alayhi sallam- does not know the Hour.
So we can never go over the boundaries that Allah has put. We can not have this power, because Allah gives power, and we are under His rule.
We don't know how the Janna or the Jahannam will be, no eye has seen it, no ear has listen about it, no one can speak about it.
That's the beauty of Islam, we believe on the Ghayb (as for the names and attributes of Allah:The important principle about thi issue is that Allah has to be described ad He described Himself and as Rasool-salallahu alayhi wa sallam- described Him, as in the case of confirm or negation of His Qualities. We confirm what Allah has attributed to Himself and we negate what He has negated to Himself. The metodology of the Salafs and 'Ijma of this Umma is that we accept the qualities that Allah has attributed to Himself, without asking how, or without making a resemblance and without distorting or negating them." Majmu al Fatwa, 3/3. We don't know how is the Janna or the Jahannam, and we don't say it is like this or like that, but we believe only in that how Allah subhana wa ta'ala and Rasool-salallahu alayhi wa sallam- described it for us. We believe so, for the books, angels, prophets, Judgment Day,)
So brother I advice you to read the explanation of Ayat-ul-Kursi that shaykh Ibn Utheymeen made. It contains tawheed, explanation of our nature as human being.

i sincerely advice you brother to stay away from this obsesive desire about knowing very much about GHAYB, because there is the risk that we pass our boundaries, and we deviate. Because if Allah says believe in the Ghayb, it means we believe in it and we take the words of Allah as a law, as a guide for us, as an advice, as the thing that is best for us, because we don't know ourself better than Allah.

explanation of Ayat-ul-Kursi that shaykh Ibn Utheymeen
http://www.islamway.com/index.php?iw_s=library&iw_a=bk&lang=2&id=1698

read also this book that I am reading now: The path to guidance- Ibn al Qayyim, it teaches us important issues in Islam.

Salam alaykum

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True_Sultan said:

Thank you All for your reply's. I have to repeat...i do not know if my aspiration is regarding the Ghayb...so I may not be delving into it. Plus thanks Alot for your explanations brothers and sisters. I agree that tasfeers are people with quranic knowledge. I can understand the quran and translate it to..(like when i read arabic...but idk if its right too). Anyway about your explanation about the ghayb...how is the ghayb just the 5 items in surat laqooum...there not ghayb for ever. Also i love ayataul-kursi

I'm not disagreeing with it..but i believe it talks about two things in that ayat. One is the ghayb (i.e. 5 items in surat laqoum..like not knowing what will happen to them in the future) but also the ghayb and its keys or the ghayb/beyond in the absolute sense..as it its with Allah's knowledge...which can never be comprehended...unless God wills.

Also check this site out: http://www.itsislam.net/articles/infinite_powers.asp

It talks about the infinite power of God and the ghayb....so this is contradicting the point in saying the ghayb is the 5 things listed in surat laqoum......why? Also is that site trusted?

So Jakkaz Allah Khair for your reply's...not tying to fight and i hope u understand what i have said. please continue with the reply's.

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