Report: U.S. Gave Green Light For Taliban Prison Attack
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taxhonesty
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hmmm...interesting...i found it actually making sense...i mean where did all the US troops go?...and where was back-up?.....it was all staged to continue the war cause no enemy then no weapon sales and contracts
taxhonesty
Info Warrior
Once again the Taleban and Al-Qaeda are creatures of US, British, and Pakistani intelligence. Go back in time to 2002 when the US had c-130's loaded with al-qaeda and Taleban leaders flown out to safety in Pakistan as well as the US/ Taleban relationship prior to 9/11. I am feeling lazy. Maybe I will type something in depth on this subject tomorrow because it is just a day away. I was just thinking completely off topic you and me haven't really had a chat in a long time. So, What's up bro? how ya doing?
The War On Freedom by Nafeez Mossadeq Ahmed
9/11 Synthethic Terror: Made In USA by Webster Griffin Tarpley
The Grand Chessboard by Zbigniew Brzezski
By this logic, the KGB was behind the Afghan mujahideen in the 1980's just to give the Soviets a reason to occupy Afghanistan under the false pretense of providing security for the Socialist Republic of Afghanistan under the threat of Islamic fundamentalism.
Let me ask you a question. Why does the US torture prisoners?
Explain the following
In 2002, captured Al Qaeda leader Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi was rendered to Egypt where he was allegedly tortured. The information he provided to his interrogators formed a fundamental part of the Bush administration case for attacking Iraq, alleging links between Al Qaeda and Iraq. Al-Libi later recanted his story and it is generally believed that his stories of contact between the Saddam Hussein regime and Al-Qaeda were fabricated to please his interrogators.[59]
"In 2003, an Algerian named Laid Saidi was abducted in Tanzania and taken to Afghanistan, where he was imprisoned and tortured along with Khalid El-Masri.[62] His detention appears to have arisen through a mistranslation of a telephone conversation, in which U.S. officials believed he was speaking about airplanes (tairat in Arabic) when he had in fact been speaking about tires (tirat in
In October 2001, Mamdouh Habib, who lives in Australia and has both Australian and Egyptian nationality (having been born in Egypt), was detained in Pakistan, where he was interrogated for three weeks, and then flown to Egypt in a private plane. From Egypt, he was later flown to a US airbase in Afghanistan. He told the BBC that he did not know who had held him, but had seen Americans, Australians, Pakistanis, and Egyptians among his captors. He also said that he had been beaten, given electric shocks, deprived of sleep, blindfolded for eight months and brainwashed.[53] After signing confessions of involvement with al-Qaeda, which he has now retracted, Mr Habib was transferred to Guantanamo Bay.
Oh and US just propped up Bhutto just so they could kill her a month later? PLease
Right after the Paris Conference where Karzai gets $20 bill, you guys think that America bombs its own prison housing 1400 prisoners just so the donors can be further demoralized and lose faith in Karzai? Right after they renovate that same exact prison with 1.2 million dollars? What's the point of renovating the prison if its gonna get blown up a month later? That's the most ridiculous thing Ive ever heard.
I'll tell you whats really going on because so many ppl are blinding themselves.
US wants to fight Iran. US wants the fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan to cool down so they can fight Iran.
Let me ask you a question. Why does the US torture prisoners?
Explain the following
In 2002, captured Al Qaeda leader Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi was rendered to Egypt where he was allegedly tortured. The information he provided to his interrogators formed a fundamental part of the Bush administration case for attacking Iraq, alleging links between Al Qaeda and Iraq. Al-Libi later recanted his story and it is generally believed that his stories of contact between the Saddam Hussein regime and Al-Qaeda were fabricated to please his interrogators.[59]
"In 2003, an Algerian named Laid Saidi was abducted in Tanzania and taken to Afghanistan, where he was imprisoned and tortured along with Khalid El-Masri.[62] His detention appears to have arisen through a mistranslation of a telephone conversation, in which U.S. officials believed he was speaking about airplanes (tairat in Arabic) when he had in fact been speaking about tires (tirat in
In October 2001, Mamdouh Habib, who lives in Australia and has both Australian and Egyptian nationality (having been born in Egypt), was detained in Pakistan, where he was interrogated for three weeks, and then flown to Egypt in a private plane. From Egypt, he was later flown to a US airbase in Afghanistan. He told the BBC that he did not know who had held him, but had seen Americans, Australians, Pakistanis, and Egyptians among his captors. He also said that he had been beaten, given electric shocks, deprived of sleep, blindfolded for eight months and brainwashed.[53] After signing confessions of involvement with al-Qaeda, which he has now retracted, Mr Habib was transferred to Guantanamo Bay.
Oh and US just propped up Bhutto just so they could kill her a month later? PLease
Right after the Paris Conference where Karzai gets $20 bill, you guys think that America bombs its own prison housing 1400 prisoners just so the donors can be further demoralized and lose faith in Karzai? Right after they renovate that same exact prison with 1.2 million dollars? What's the point of renovating the prison if its gonna get blown up a month later? That's the most ridiculous thing Ive ever heard.
I'll tell you whats really going on because so many ppl are blinding themselves.
US wants to fight Iran. US wants the fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan to cool down so they can fight Iran.
MOSABJA
Junior Member
Once again the Taleban and Al-Qaeda are creatures of US, British, and Pakistani intelligence. Go back in time to 2002 when the US had c-130's loaded with al-qaeda and Taleban leaders flown out to safety in Pakistan as well as the US/ Taleban relationship prior to 9/11. I am feeling lazy. Maybe I will type something in depth on this subject tomorrow because it is just a day away. I was just thinking completely off topic you and me haven't really had a chat in a long time. So, What's up bro? how ya doing?
The War On Freedom by Nafeez Mossadeq Ahmed
9/11 Synthethic Terror: Made In USA by Webster Griffin Tarpley
The Grand Chessboard by Zbigniew Brzezski
As far as taliban are concerned .They were helped by ISI and US in the beginning .But taliban were an INDIGENOUS thing.People dont even know who are taliban.What does taliban mean.
Talibans of Afghanistan are making the world headlines since 1994, but most people have little knowledge who they are and what are they really far? Some paint them as demons and some praise them as the true representatives of the true Islam in the 21st Century. Writer of this article along with a team of professionals has been working in Afghanistan since last two years on different relief, rehabilitation and reconstruction projects, and thus coming in close contacts with the people and also with the high ups in the Government, including the Ameer-ul-Momineen, Prime Ministers, Ministers and heads of departments. Also he had to deal with their civil bureaucracy in connection with getting approvals for the projects. Thus he can claim first hand knowledge about the working of the Taliban Government, and is quite qualified to shed light on the above questions to help the readers in knowing the reality.
WHO ARE THE TALIBANS?
In Persian language the world "TALIB" means "Seeker" which in its common meaning in used for every "student of religion ". Taliban is the plural of the world Talib. A Talib after about ten years successful stay in school can appear in the Mullah examination, which is the intermediate level of education. But one still needs another four years to qualify as Moulvi, who is eligible to work as an Islamic Teacher. It is interesting to know that Ameer-ul-Momineen, Muhammad Omar's surname Mullah indicates that he has yet to complete his education to earn the title of 'Moulvi'.
HISTORY OF TALIBANS
History of Talibans in Afghanistan is as old as the history of Islam in that country, which reached there in the year 635AD, when soldiers of Islam, a good proportion of whom were the companions of the Prophet (May peace be upon him) occupied Kabul after ferocious battle with the Indian Hindu Raja of Kushan family. It is worth noting that Afghanistan and present day's Pakistan have been one country for more than 2000 years. They departed only after the British occupation of India. Afghanis proudly tell you that their country is blessed with many shrines of the companions of the Messenger of Allah (May Allah be pleased with them). I have been to some of these Shrines which are visited daily by hundreds of the devotees. We have also visited the common grave of forty martyrs. As the story goes, they were treacherously killed by a neighboring Hindu Raja in a feast arranged to sign submission agreement. Muslim rule was fully established by the year 650AD and majority of the Afghans accepted Islam as their religion. They were so keen to learn the details of their new faith that they called themselves "Talibans" seekers of the knowledge of Islam. Every city tried to surpass in establishing Colleges/Universities to graduate scholars/teachers and preachers. Thus Taliban has been enjoying great respect in the society always. Normally they engaged themselves in religious studies and works of reformations in the society. But through out Afghan history when ever there was call of duty for Jihad, they left their colleges for fighting with the infidels. For example, major portion of the army of great conqueror Mahmood Ghaznavi is said to consist of Talibans during his conquest of India.
TALIBAN MOVEMENT
As said earlier, throughout the history of Afghanistan, Taliban's role has been only supportive for Jihad. As soon as the objectives of Jihad were achieved they would go back to their schools. The same happened in their Jihad against the Russian Communists. In 1989, when Russians left their country, Talibans as per their tradition went back to their schools, mosques on learning or teaching jobs. In the confusion that followed, country was occupied by hundreds of warlords without any central command. The chiefs such as Ahmed Shah Masood, Hikamat Yar, Rashid Dostum had very little control on their men, who behaved autonomously in their areas of control. Each of the big cities like Kabul and Kandhar had more than one rulers, all fighting with each other, collecting their own taxes from citizens, looting, beating and killing there opponents indiscriminately.
In 1993, Kandhar had four warlords who had divided the city into their area of control. If a citizen wanted to travel from one area to the other, he had to pay toll tax at each ones boundary. One of the road barrier was by the side of the mosque where Mullah Muhammad Omar was an apprentice teacher. He was a veteran Mujahid who in the Jihad days was given the nickname of Mullah Rackety, because he was very good in firing rockets. I have been told by various senior persons that Omar was a silent and a very serious soldier, who cared little for his life. Once he was seriously wounded by enemy fire, with multi injuries, the serious most being that he lost one of his eyes which is permanently closed now. Moulvi Saeed ur Rehman Haqqani told me that Mullah Omar remained unconscious for many days in a Quetta hospital. But as soon as he could walk, he went back to Jihad.
Mullah Omar was perturbed deeply about the happenings in the city of Kandhar and openly spoke against them, which put him on the hit list of the warlords of the area. One day it so happened that a family was stopped at the check post, while the husband and the children were kept waiting in the open, the bandits took away the wife; she was gang raped and the poor woman died in this horrible process. To tease Mullah Omar, they threw her body in his mosque. This outraged him but his companion prevailed upon him not to react, fearing that the enemies will kill him. However, a similar happening took place again. This time, the victim was a fourteen years young boy. Now Mullah Omar could not be controlled by any body. He said to his friends and students, "Whether you come with we are not, I will fight against this cruelty till my death". With a stick in hand, he ran to the check post alone but soon he was followed by forty two of his students and co-teachers. It was 5'Oclock in the morning. After a little resistance they occupied the post, and snatched their weapons. Now equipped with Kalashankofs, Mullah Omar and his companions rushed to the next post, and thus one by one they took over six of them till people came to know at sunrise what had taken place early dawn on that day. They started rallying behind him, and by that evening, warlords had vacated the city leaving huge quantities of weapons behind. Entire city had come under the control of Taliban by next morning. But they did not rest. Mulla Omar appointed one of the Talib as Governor of city with the instructions to enforce Islamic rule there. The word had spread in the neighboring localities also and they came in large numbers to join the Talibans and free other towns from the occupation of the bandits. As they took over the control of any city, Mulla Omar went on establishing Taliban rule under the Islamic law, on the pattern of the Khilafat-ur-Rashida i.e. the Govt. established by the Caliphs after the departure of the Messenger of Allah, (May peace be upon him).
As the Taliban movement picked up warlords began to unite also; and took refuge in Kabul under their chiefs like Ahmed Shah Masood, Gulbadin Hikamat Yar; Rashid Dostam and Ismael. When Taliban reached Kabul, to their surprise, it was a no man land with Masood, Hikamat Yar and Dostam pitched on the surrounding hills, firing missiles on their own city mercilessly from three sides. City population welcome and joined Taliban, to win their freedom from the warlords, and after some resistance succeeded to push them out but the city had already turned into rubbles, with tens of thousands of innocent people dead at the hands of their ex-Mujahideen. Warlords had not only destroyed the city with rocket attacks, but they also looted it most mercilessly. They even ripped apart windows, doors, and flooring of schools, stole laboratory equipment, tables, and chairs. Nothing indeed escaped from their hands. They removed anything, they could from the 124 industrial units in Kabul alone. If machine were too heavy to carry, they broke them into parts and took them away. I was extremely sorry to see large transformers bodies cut into pieces to remove copper of the winding. One of the commander had the Asphalt covering of the road removed to sell it in the neighboring Pakistan. We saw similar cruelties and loot all over the country, in Hirat, Mazarsharif, Jalalabad and Kandhar, and every where.
After Kabul fell to Taliban they decided to establish their Government. Their guidelines was Islam and only Islam. Therefore it was natural for them to establish the Khilaft system of Govt. on the model of the pious companion of the Prophet of Allah (peace be upon him). In this Govt. constitution is "The Quran book of Allah"; and "The Sharia" the explanation of the Quran as delivered by the Prophet, peace be upon him. So Taliban had a ready-made constitution.
As far the system of the Government, an Islamic State is based upon Shoora i.e. Mutual Consultation of a body of people, selection criteria for whose members is also prescribed in Islam, which is piety, knowledge and physical fitness of the person. Thus Taliban called a grand assembly of 3500 Ulma i.e. recognized practicing scholars of Islam from all regions of Afghanistan, many of whom were their teachers. Their task was to select their Ameer i.e. ruler could to run the Islamic Govt. in Afghanistan. Muhammad Omar was excluded from this grand assembly of the learned ones as he was only a Mullah. After three days deliberations the assembly decided that Mullah Omar was the best among them to lead the Islamic Emirate and to achieve its objective due to his leadership qualities, boldness, wisdom and par excellent contribution to Jihad against infidels. Moulvi Saeed-ur-Rehman Haqqani told me that Mulla Omar was called in the final session to listen to the judgement of the leaned ones.. But the grand assembly of learned it ones unanimously asked him to accept the responsibility. Thus Mullah Omar was established as the Ameer-ul-Momineen, with the title "Almujahid" - but even this honor does not make him Moulvi, untill and unlessl he appears in examination and qualifies it, till then he will remain a Mullah only.
MISGIVING AND MISUNDERSTANDING
Appearance of Taliban on the political scene of Afghanistan was a surprise for every one in Pakistan as in the rest of the world. If you go through the newspapers of 1994-1995, you will see many types of whims and stories about the Taliban. It was commonly believed that Americans had brought them to power, some called them the force of Naseer Ullah Babar, who was Interior Minister of BeNazir Government in those days. Some said, "They are American stooges nourished by Naseer Ullah Babar", some credited Pakistan's I.S.I and some went so far to say that it was Russian inspired revolution. But none of these theories was right. As you have seen, it was an indigenous people's revolution led by the students of Islam against the oppressive rule of the warlords. It was the fruit of the blood of two million myrtars of Islam who came from all corners of the world to fight and sacrifice their lives for the glory of Islam. Thus Taliban and their leader Mullah Muhammad Omar are not ordinary people in power but upholders of a movement - the movement of reconnaissance of Islam in the world. Simple proof of this is that all anti Islamic forces are united in opposition to them. In the Holy Quran Allah has told us "All Kufr (wrong) will unite against the Haque, the truth of Islam". Today world is witness of this truth.
MOSABJA
Junior Member
This site can come with any sort of WEIRD conspiracy theories it can.
I too can come with a Dozen conspiracy theories.
what about this one .Man running this very site ALEX JONES him self is a Zionist,NWO agent.
Who the hell allows him to freely operate in America where as many people have been silenced before they can speak.Actually his a Mis info agent.He gives a mixture of half lies and half truth.Does'nt hesitate in discrediting MUJAHIDEEN.
http://ajresearch.blogspot.com/2006/09/opposingdigits-vs-alex-jones-pt-6-alex.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sao2hzSjz5U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pY2pnOrxrM
Instead of following these wacky conspiracies theories .I suggest you to cling on to HADITH about signs of Qiyamah to know about New world order and what's gonna happen in the end of times.
Honestly If you say to me that taliban are US agents.
then I give a damn to what Alex jones says or any body else.
Just believe in what my prophet(SA) said.
Related by Abu Hurayrah:
The Prophet Sallallahu ‘Alaihi Wa Sallam said: "(Armies carrying) black flags will come from Khurasan (Afghanistan). No power will be able to stop them and they will finally reach Jerusalem where they will erect their flags."
(Tirmidhi)
Muhammad, son of Al Hanaffia, said:
"The Black Banners will come out for the children of Al Abbas. The other black banners will come from Khurasan. Their turbans will be black and their clothes white. At their front will be a man named Shuayb, the son of Salih, from Tamim. They will defeat the companions of The Sufyaani until he comes to the House of Jerusalem where he will establish his power for the Mahdi, and he will be supplied with three hundred (men) from Syria after his arrival and the matter will be settled for the Mahdi in seventy-two months (six years)."
(Found in reference to 'Ali ibn Abu Talib)
Alex jones should not tell us that our Mujahids fighting in Khurassan are American stooges.
he gives an impression that nothing happens without US permission.
As Salaamu Alaikum, WOW and this from a 17yr old!!! don't u have donkey kong or something 2 go play! LMBO!!! that was VERY informative, precise and Very well put... now go 2 bed!!!!
i agree with your theory. sadly, this is the way politics go.
im good as ever brother tax honesty. I have noticed that number of ur posts have become lower these days? have u got married? lol
Brother mosabja has done some research on Taliban. I would like all of us i.e. me, brother mosabja and taxhonesty, to clear confusions abt taliban on a seperate thread.
Is that possible for all of u?
Brother mosabja has done some research on Taliban. I would like all of us i.e. me, brother mosabja and taxhonesty, to clear confusions abt taliban on a seperate thread.
Is that possible for all of u?
MOSABJA
Junior Member
By Hamid Mir
ISLAMABAD: In a startling operation that shook the Pentagon, the White House and the US administration some weeks back, the Taliban in the tribal areas captured parts of three US helicopters — Chinook, Black Hawk and Cobra — while they were being shipped in huge containers from Peshawar to Jalalabad in Afghanistan.
Pakistani officials have confirmed the capture while the US diplomats stationed in Islamabad are trying to fudge the issue without denying it outright. US embassy spokesperson Elizabeth Colton commented: "The embassy has no comment on this as the information appears to be only hearsay."
When this correspondent informed the embassy spokesperson that he had seen pictures of the stolen parts of helicopters, she again said "no comment". Some diplomats in Islamabad are very much aware of this recent Taliban operation but they were not ready to speak on record.
Diplomatic sources say the recent US air strike in the tribal areas was actually an attack on the location where the unassembled parts of the two helicopters, owned by the US armed forces, were stored by the Taliban.
Sources told The News US Assistant Secretary Richard Boucher was to visit Pakistan and Afghanistan soon in view of the situation in the region. What is shocking is the revelation that the US forces were transporting helicopters in unassembled form in containers, which landed at the Karachi Port and travelled all the way by road to Peshawar and then entered the tribal areas for onward journey to Afghanistan.
When these containers entered the Khyber Agency at Jamrud, the Taliban stopped the convoys and took away the helicopter parts. Pakistani paramilitary forces in the area tried to confront the Taliban but they suffered heavy losses due to darkness. This happened in the same area where Pakistan's Ambassador to Afghanistan Tariq Azizuddin was kidnapped in February this year.
Chinook and Black Hawk were captured recently while the Cobra was hijacked some weeks back. When the Taliban first captured the Cobra helicopter, they filmed all the stolen parts and supplied the CD to their allies in Afghanistan.
Some people in the Farah province of western Afghanistan showed interest in purchasing the Cobra helicopter and subsequently its parts were smuggled to Farah. Taliban sold this Cobra to an unidentified customer for several hundred thousand dollars.
Following the latest ground hijacking, the Taliban have again filmed all the stolen parts of CH-47 Chinook and Black Hawk choppers. Chinook is a versatile twin-engine helicopter that was also used to help the earthquake victims in Kashmir in October 2005 by the US Army.
The Taliban have again sent the CD to people for attracting customers from neighbouring countries of Afghanistan. They do not seem to have hit any customer as the stolen parts with extra engines are still in their custody.
The Taliban captured some unexploded Tomahawk missiles in the Khost area of eastern Afghanistan in 1998. These missiles were fired on al-Qaeda hideouts after attacks on US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. The Taliban handed over some of the unexploded US missiles to the Chinese in 1998.
Pakistani cruise Missile Babur and Chinese cruise missiles are believed to be of the same design and now way lesser then Tomahawk
Top US military officials have demanded recently from Pakistan to start an operation in the tribal areas for the recovery of their stolen helicopters. They have expressed concern that instead of initiating an operation against the Taliban, the new government is negotiating peace with the Taliban.
Concerned officials in the Foreign Office were of the opinion that the Taliban had increased their attacks in Afghanistan recently due to the incompetence of the Afghan National Army and the Nato forces.
The Taliban used a fuel tanker packed with 1800 kg of explosives a few days ago to break a jail in Kandahar. They got released their 400 comrades along with 1,100 other prisoners in that operation.
On Tuesday, the Taliban captured Arghundab district of Kandahar province. It was also a big blow to the credibility of Nato and the Karzai government but now both of them are trying to divert the international attention by threatening to attack the Pakistani border areas.
The Taliban have recently conducted bloody operations against the Nato forces in Shenwro district of Parwaon province in the north, Taren Kot city of Uruzgan province in the south and Poli Alm city of Logar province close to Kabul.
All these are not close to the Pakistani borders and the Taliban were attacking the Nato with the help of the local population.
It was learnt that the high command of Pakistani security forces has requested the government for permission to respond in a hard-hitting manner to any attack from Afghanistan in future.
Meanwhile, US Assistant Secretary of State Richard Boucher would visit Pakistan and Afghanistan shortly. It is expected that he would try to narrow down the differences between Islamabad and Kabul.
Bawar
Struggling2Surrender
Assalamu alaikum brothers and sisters!
First of all, to brother MOSABJA!
As I have mentioned serveral times in my previous posts, I am an Afghan, Pashtun (same as Taliban), Sunni (same as Taliban) and from the same locality as Taliban mainly come from.
I have lived in Afghanistan well before Taliban movement ever existed.
I was there when this movement came to existence and how quickly it got power.
Now, I have no idea where you got your "history of Taliban" from, but I can point out at least 2 major faults in the history that you posted here.
"He was a veteran Mujahid who in the Jihad days was given the nickname of Mullah Rackety, because he was very good in firing rockets."
This is laughable.
If you tell this to any Afghan of my age who lived in Afghanistan at that time, he would laugh at you.
These are two entirely different individuals.
Mullah Rackety was a very active fighter even just before the emergence of Taliban. Just before Taliban times, he was a fierce enemy of Pakistan government becasue Pakistan governenment was interfering too much in the western part of Afghanistan (mainly Kandahar and Helmand) and causing fitnah.
They were also disrespecting the Afghan women who were crossing the border to both sides as about 3 million Afghans had families on both sides of the border.
This caused Mullah Rackety's anger and he had several fierce fights with Pakistan militia who were in charge of the border control in which many died.
My point is, Mullah Rackety and Mullah Omar can NEVER be the same person. One was a fierce enemy and the other had very friendly realtions with the Pakistan government. Your account just makes me laugh.
Secondly, you mentioned in your history of Taliban that
"Thus Taliban called a grand assembly of 3500 Ulma i.e. recognized practicing scholars of Islam from all regions of Afghanistan, many of whom were their teachers. Their task was to select their Ameer i.e. ruler could to run the Islamic Govt. in Afghanistan. Muhammad Omar was excluded from this grand assembly of the learned ones as he was only a Mullah. After three days deliberations the assembly decided that Mullah Omar was the best among them to lead the Islamic Emirate and to achieve its objective due to his leadership qualities, boldness, wisdom and par excellent contribution to Jihad against infidels."
I find this outrageous statement.
It was well known to all the attendants that the pupose of the gathering was to declare Mullah Omar as the Ameerul Mumeneen.
I know very well about this because I was a mature individual at that time, studying at university in Jalal Abad and you must have been barely 3-5 year old baby.
Taliban are mainly Pashtun and Pashtun have a tribal system. Almost everything Pashtuns do is influenced by their tribal structure.
I belong to Durani branch of Pashtuns and my ancestors migrated about 3 hundred years ago from Kandahar (the origin of Taliban) to Nangarhar.
So, one of the representatives who were invited for this gatherings from our area was my uncle. So, I know what I am talking about brother.
Consequently, based on the above two main flaws in your history of Taliban, I disregard the whole account.
Coming back to the main topic presented by brother Taxhonesty, however I have not even read the link that he has provided, which i will do soon, I agree with what his title suggests.
Again, this is from my personal experience and the fact that I still have family in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
And not only my family, but most of my friends and calssmates of university are there who are educated people and can use their own brain to analys the situation.
As about Taliban, my own verdict about how Taliban came to power, in short, is that:
1- the time was ideal for a change as people had had enough of warlords
2- ISI of Pakistan had always wanted great infulence in Afghanistan (this is another topic which I won't go into) and this was their time as the Mujahideen leaders didn't listen to them that well.
Taliban were under an immense infulence of ISI through another Mullah who was an ally of Benazir government and is still in government called Maulavi Fazlur Rahman, because they were mostly studying in the Madrasas in Pakistan.
3-The US had always wanted, even before Russian invasion, to have one day occupied Afghanistan for its grand plan to be realised (US has inherited the policies of British empire towards these countries and Britain has tried several times between 1838 and 1919 to occupy Afghanistan).
Not only Taliban got more advanced weapons than the warlords, from the US via Pakistani ISI, but it also got immense help of military personnel from Pakistan to fight alongside them.
I have spoken to them myself in the city of Jalal Abad after Taliban captured it.
These Pakistani military officers were dressed as Tribal Taliban members who had long beards and turbans just like any other Talib.
They were mainly Pashtuns as there is a great number of Pashtuns in Pakistani army, but there were those who could not even speak Pashtu as they were Punjabis and others.
Taliban in the beginning had a great understanding with the US (as many of you may know, Taliban leaders had a secret visit to the US), but as the US demanded much greater obediance from Taliban, it casued the relationship between them to get sour.
Eventhough, Taliban got the help and weapons of the US, they didn't want to obey the US as Afghans never want to obey foreign powers in their own domestic issues.
Taliban attracted the curse of the US esepcially after they refused to sign a deal for the gas and oil pipeline from Central Asia through Afghanistan with a US firm and instead, signed it with a Brazilian firm.
I will try to find the names of both those firms as I can't remember them right now.
This contract is now a history of the past as Taliban are no more in government.
To cut it short, it is an undenying fact for those who live in Afghanistan and have some political sense that America is encouraging resistance here and there in Afghanistan against itself so that they always have excuse to lengthen its occupation of Afghanistan.
And there will always be emotional and good hearted young boys who will fight against the US, believing that they are fighting for freedom and Islam, not knowing that this is exactly what the US wants:
"FIGHT US, BLOW YOURSELVES UP IN THE PUBLIC PLACES WHERE MOST OF THE CASUALITIES ARE AFGHAN MUSLIM CIVILIANS AND WE WILL HAVE REASON TO CONTINUE YOUR OCCUPATION"
Wasslamu alikum
First of all, to brother MOSABJA!
As I have mentioned serveral times in my previous posts, I am an Afghan, Pashtun (same as Taliban), Sunni (same as Taliban) and from the same locality as Taliban mainly come from.
I have lived in Afghanistan well before Taliban movement ever existed.
I was there when this movement came to existence and how quickly it got power.
Now, I have no idea where you got your "history of Taliban" from, but I can point out at least 2 major faults in the history that you posted here.
"He was a veteran Mujahid who in the Jihad days was given the nickname of Mullah Rackety, because he was very good in firing rockets."
This is laughable.
If you tell this to any Afghan of my age who lived in Afghanistan at that time, he would laugh at you.
These are two entirely different individuals.
Mullah Rackety was a very active fighter even just before the emergence of Taliban. Just before Taliban times, he was a fierce enemy of Pakistan government becasue Pakistan governenment was interfering too much in the western part of Afghanistan (mainly Kandahar and Helmand) and causing fitnah.
They were also disrespecting the Afghan women who were crossing the border to both sides as about 3 million Afghans had families on both sides of the border.
This caused Mullah Rackety's anger and he had several fierce fights with Pakistan militia who were in charge of the border control in which many died.
My point is, Mullah Rackety and Mullah Omar can NEVER be the same person. One was a fierce enemy and the other had very friendly realtions with the Pakistan government. Your account just makes me laugh.
Secondly, you mentioned in your history of Taliban that
"Thus Taliban called a grand assembly of 3500 Ulma i.e. recognized practicing scholars of Islam from all regions of Afghanistan, many of whom were their teachers. Their task was to select their Ameer i.e. ruler could to run the Islamic Govt. in Afghanistan. Muhammad Omar was excluded from this grand assembly of the learned ones as he was only a Mullah. After three days deliberations the assembly decided that Mullah Omar was the best among them to lead the Islamic Emirate and to achieve its objective due to his leadership qualities, boldness, wisdom and par excellent contribution to Jihad against infidels."
I find this outrageous statement.
It was well known to all the attendants that the pupose of the gathering was to declare Mullah Omar as the Ameerul Mumeneen.
I know very well about this because I was a mature individual at that time, studying at university in Jalal Abad and you must have been barely 3-5 year old baby.
Taliban are mainly Pashtun and Pashtun have a tribal system. Almost everything Pashtuns do is influenced by their tribal structure.
I belong to Durani branch of Pashtuns and my ancestors migrated about 3 hundred years ago from Kandahar (the origin of Taliban) to Nangarhar.
So, one of the representatives who were invited for this gatherings from our area was my uncle. So, I know what I am talking about brother.
Consequently, based on the above two main flaws in your history of Taliban, I disregard the whole account.
Coming back to the main topic presented by brother Taxhonesty, however I have not even read the link that he has provided, which i will do soon, I agree with what his title suggests.
Again, this is from my personal experience and the fact that I still have family in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
And not only my family, but most of my friends and calssmates of university are there who are educated people and can use their own brain to analys the situation.
As about Taliban, my own verdict about how Taliban came to power, in short, is that:
1- the time was ideal for a change as people had had enough of warlords
2- ISI of Pakistan had always wanted great infulence in Afghanistan (this is another topic which I won't go into) and this was their time as the Mujahideen leaders didn't listen to them that well.
Taliban were under an immense infulence of ISI through another Mullah who was an ally of Benazir government and is still in government called Maulavi Fazlur Rahman, because they were mostly studying in the Madrasas in Pakistan.
3-The US had always wanted, even before Russian invasion, to have one day occupied Afghanistan for its grand plan to be realised (US has inherited the policies of British empire towards these countries and Britain has tried several times between 1838 and 1919 to occupy Afghanistan).
Not only Taliban got more advanced weapons than the warlords, from the US via Pakistani ISI, but it also got immense help of military personnel from Pakistan to fight alongside them.
I have spoken to them myself in the city of Jalal Abad after Taliban captured it.
These Pakistani military officers were dressed as Tribal Taliban members who had long beards and turbans just like any other Talib.
They were mainly Pashtuns as there is a great number of Pashtuns in Pakistani army, but there were those who could not even speak Pashtu as they were Punjabis and others.
Taliban in the beginning had a great understanding with the US (as many of you may know, Taliban leaders had a secret visit to the US), but as the US demanded much greater obediance from Taliban, it casued the relationship between them to get sour.
Eventhough, Taliban got the help and weapons of the US, they didn't want to obey the US as Afghans never want to obey foreign powers in their own domestic issues.
Taliban attracted the curse of the US esepcially after they refused to sign a deal for the gas and oil pipeline from Central Asia through Afghanistan with a US firm and instead, signed it with a Brazilian firm.
I will try to find the names of both those firms as I can't remember them right now.
This contract is now a history of the past as Taliban are no more in government.
To cut it short, it is an undenying fact for those who live in Afghanistan and have some political sense that America is encouraging resistance here and there in Afghanistan against itself so that they always have excuse to lengthen its occupation of Afghanistan.
And there will always be emotional and good hearted young boys who will fight against the US, believing that they are fighting for freedom and Islam, not knowing that this is exactly what the US wants:
"FIGHT US, BLOW YOURSELVES UP IN THE PUBLIC PLACES WHERE MOST OF THE CASUALITIES ARE AFGHAN MUSLIM CIVILIANS AND WE WILL HAVE REASON TO CONTINUE YOUR OCCUPATION"
Wasslamu alikum
So all shaheed is wrong and Alex Jones is right? You guys love and trust Alex Jones more than shaheed? I want to say how much I love shaheed because Muhammad(salih wa salam) loves shaheeda and Allah loves shaheeda.
Allah rescued the Taliban from the prison. This would not be possible without the help of Allah. I know you guys must criticise Taliban because US says they are bad.
-Not equal are those that stay at home to those that fight in the way of Allah.- Remember? Now delete this because I quote Quran...
Questions
!o you guys think that a Talib who dies in the way of Allah, is a shaheed(most loved in the eyes of Allah) or is he a US proxy soldier(traitor)?
Why did they renovate NATO renovate prison for 1.2 million dollars if they are gonna blow it up themselves later?
Who saved Taliban from prison, Allah or US?
Is it Fard-al-Ayn to fight when Muslim country is attacked by Kafir country?
Is it allowable to send Muslim to US forces for interrogation?
Would you rather believe conspiracy theory people or Mu'min who die in the way of Allah?
Allah rescued the Taliban from the prison. This would not be possible without the help of Allah. I know you guys must criticise Taliban because US says they are bad.
-Not equal are those that stay at home to those that fight in the way of Allah.- Remember? Now delete this because I quote Quran...
Questions
!o you guys think that a Talib who dies in the way of Allah, is a shaheed(most loved in the eyes of Allah) or is he a US proxy soldier(traitor)?
Why did they renovate NATO renovate prison for 1.2 million dollars if they are gonna blow it up themselves later?
Who saved Taliban from prison, Allah or US?
Is it Fard-al-Ayn to fight when Muslim country is attacked by Kafir country?
Is it allowable to send Muslim to US forces for interrogation?
Would you rather believe conspiracy theory people or Mu'min who die in the way of Allah?
Officials Downplay News Reports of Taliban Takeover in Southern Afghanistan
By Ayaz Gul
Islamabad
17 June 2008
Afghan and U.S.-led coalition forces are discounting media reports that say Taliban militants have seized control of several villages in southern Afghanistan. From neighboring Pakistan, Ayaz Gul reports.
Afghan reinforcements wait at Kabul airport before taking a flight to Arghandab district, Afghanistan, 17 Jun 2008
Reports earlier this week said a force of about 500 Taliban fighters had swept into several towns just north of the Southern city of Kandahar, setting up roadblocks and planting landmines.
Hundreds of local residents are reported to have fled the area (the Arghandab district).
But officials from the U.S. led coalition in Afghanistan say a patrol sent into the area to investigate, found no evidence to support the reports of a Taliban takeover in the villages.
A statement says that coalition forces moved freely and met no resistance.
In Kabul, presidential spokesman Humayun Hamidzada has also played down the reported Taliban offensive in the Kandahar region.
"The Afghan National Army is in-charge of the situation. They are conducting the military operations, addressing the security incidents that have come up there. I must say that in the press, there is unreasonable focus on, and also enlarging and magnifying what is happening in Kandahar. There are, of course, some security incidents that have taken place, but the Afghan National Army supported by NATO forces is in Kandahar and they are addressing the situation," said Hamidzada.
Displaced Afghan families near their tents after leaving their homes in Arghandab, Afghanistan, 17 Jun 2008
Reports of the alleged Taliban offensive follow a major insurgent attack on the central jail in Kandahar. More than 1,000 prisoners were set free in the brazen attack, almost of half of them were suspected Taliban militants.
Since making a comeback in 2006, Taliban insurgents have briefly overrun some district headquarters and villages, particularly in the south and east of the country.
Insurgent attacks in Afghanistan have flared up this year, despite the presence of more than 60,000 foreign troops under the command of the U.S. military and NATO as well tens of thousands of Afghan troops. The Afghan government and coalition commanders blame militants hiding across the border in Pakistan for the rise in violence particularly in the border areas.
On Sunday, Afghan President Hamid Karzi threatened to send his troops to Pakistan to destroy militant hideouts.
Pakistani leaders condemned his statement as irresponsible and unfortunate, warning Afghanistan against any such attempts.
Pakistan denies allegations militants are given shelter on its side of the border. It says it has deployed tens of thousands of troops to secure its tribal regions near the Afghan border and is also using political dialogues to end militancy there.
http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-06-17-voa50.cfm
Why would they downplay the threat, if what you conspiracy theorists are right? Allah saved the Muslims from the prison not US.
By Ayaz Gul
Islamabad
17 June 2008
Afghan and U.S.-led coalition forces are discounting media reports that say Taliban militants have seized control of several villages in southern Afghanistan. From neighboring Pakistan, Ayaz Gul reports.
Afghan reinforcements wait at Kabul airport before taking a flight to Arghandab district, Afghanistan, 17 Jun 2008
Reports earlier this week said a force of about 500 Taliban fighters had swept into several towns just north of the Southern city of Kandahar, setting up roadblocks and planting landmines.
Hundreds of local residents are reported to have fled the area (the Arghandab district).
But officials from the U.S. led coalition in Afghanistan say a patrol sent into the area to investigate, found no evidence to support the reports of a Taliban takeover in the villages.
A statement says that coalition forces moved freely and met no resistance.
In Kabul, presidential spokesman Humayun Hamidzada has also played down the reported Taliban offensive in the Kandahar region.
"The Afghan National Army is in-charge of the situation. They are conducting the military operations, addressing the security incidents that have come up there. I must say that in the press, there is unreasonable focus on, and also enlarging and magnifying what is happening in Kandahar. There are, of course, some security incidents that have taken place, but the Afghan National Army supported by NATO forces is in Kandahar and they are addressing the situation," said Hamidzada.
Displaced Afghan families near their tents after leaving their homes in Arghandab, Afghanistan, 17 Jun 2008
Reports of the alleged Taliban offensive follow a major insurgent attack on the central jail in Kandahar. More than 1,000 prisoners were set free in the brazen attack, almost of half of them were suspected Taliban militants.
Since making a comeback in 2006, Taliban insurgents have briefly overrun some district headquarters and villages, particularly in the south and east of the country.
Insurgent attacks in Afghanistan have flared up this year, despite the presence of more than 60,000 foreign troops under the command of the U.S. military and NATO as well tens of thousands of Afghan troops. The Afghan government and coalition commanders blame militants hiding across the border in Pakistan for the rise in violence particularly in the border areas.
On Sunday, Afghan President Hamid Karzi threatened to send his troops to Pakistan to destroy militant hideouts.
Pakistani leaders condemned his statement as irresponsible and unfortunate, warning Afghanistan against any such attempts.
Pakistan denies allegations militants are given shelter on its side of the border. It says it has deployed tens of thousands of troops to secure its tribal regions near the Afghan border and is also using political dialogues to end militancy there.
http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-06-17-voa50.cfm
Why would they downplay the threat, if what you conspiracy theorists are right? Allah saved the Muslims from the prison not US.
450 Taliban escape from Kandahar prison
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Sargent Schultz at a loss for explanation...........
How Taliban sprang 450 terrorists from Kandahar's Sarposa prison in Afghanistan
Overlooking the dusty road into one of Afghanistan's most lawless cities, the newly-painted guard towers of Kandahar's Sarposa prison are supposed to be a reminder to local people of how justice has finally come to town.
In recent years, coalition officials have spent millions turning the 60-year-old building into a showcase facility for Afghanistan's new government, issuing guards with crisp new uniforms and giving them lessons on how to treat their charges humanely.
Rather less attention, however, seems to have been spent on the jail's most basic function – security.
Yesterday, Sarposa's entire potion of 1,100 inmates – including murderers, bandits and about 450 hardened Islamic militants – was enjoying freedom after an audacious Taliban attack engineered one of the biggest mass jail breaks in history.
In a spectacular raid which confounded hopes that the Taliban was now on the back foot, a group of about 30 heavily armed insurgents launched an assault on the prison on Friday evening, using two suicide bombers to blow open the gates and then massacring at least 15 dazed guards as they tried to put up a fight.
The inmates fled into the night through the lush pomegranate groves that surround the building before coalition troops could arrive from their base on the far side of the city. Convoys of Taliban-driven getaway minibuses were waiting nearby with engines running.
Yesterday, as coalition and Afghan officials launched an urgent review of security in every jail in the country and declared a state of emergency in Kandahar, Taliban supporters around the region began slaughtering sheep in antition of being reunited with their jailed relations.
The militant faction's excitable media spokesmen – normally prone to wild exaggerations of their military successes – for once had no need of hyperbole. Unable to contain their glee at such a propaganda victory, they spent much of the day issuing taunts to the Western-backed government of President Hamid Karzai, and making blood-curdling threats of similar actions for the future.
"We released all the prisoners, including 450 Taliban, we killed most of the guards, and we blocked the roads into the city so that our fighters could escape," crowed Qari Yusuf Ahmadi, a Taliban spokesman for southern Afghanistan. "This was our first attack in the very heart of Kandahar, and this is a signal to the puppet government of Hamid Karzai and the infidel government of the West that they should not forget the Taliban."
Witnesses said that the attack began at around 9pm, when a suicide bomber driving a water tanker laden with explosives careered towards the main prison gates.
As another suicide bomber on foot blew up the jail's rear gate, masked motorcyclists armed with automatic weapons and rocket-propelled grenades streamed into the jail's four main courtyards, breaking open every cell door in sight.
Of particular interest to them was the prison's high-security political section, which was home to a large contingent of medium-ranking Taliban suspects handed over to the Afghan government by American forces.
"First we exploded two suicide attacks and then our mujahedin riding motorcycles entered the prison and killed the remaining security guards," said Mr Ahmadi. "We successfully freed all prisoners including our jailed Taliban."
The operation and the ensuing gunbattle with prison guards and police lasted nearly an hour, during which eight prisoners were killed.
The Afghan government claimed that the prison's police and guards had managed to keep hold of about 200 inmates, but local officials said later that the jail had been emptied.
"It was an unprecedented attack and together with foreign forces, an operation has been launched to track down and arrest the prisoners," said Mohammad Qasim Hashimzai, Afghanistan's deputy justice minister. "We are trying to find out if there was any inside help."
He said the prison's senior manager, Abdul Qabir, was under investigation, although he stressed that was a routine measure in such cases.
Ahmed Wali Karzai, the head of Kandahar's provincial council and a brother of President Karzai, disclosed that the escaped Taliban included commanders, trained assassins and volunteers who had undergone grooming for suicide bomb missions. "It is very dangerous for security," he said. "They are the most experienced killers and they all managed to escape."
Witnesses described seeing other inmates running along the roads and scattering into nearby villages before the Canadian troops, who are part of the Nato-led force based outside Kandahar, could arrive.
Disappearing along with them, meanwhile, was any lingering notion that the Taliban are still a rag-tag force incapable of much more than unsophisticated skirmishing.
Only as this month began, British forces in southern Afghanistan claimed the movement was on the brink of military defeat after losing more than 7,000 fighters in combat.
But costly encounters in conventional battle have focused Taliban commanders' minds on developing more sophisticated tactics, conserving their resources for better-planned "spectaculars".
The first of these took place in Kabul in January, when a combined suicide squad of gunmen and fighters blasted it way through security at the city's Serena hotel, a five-star facility favoured by Westerners, killing six people.
Then in April, marksmen managed to breach security at a parade attended by President Karzai and Western diplomats, opening fire on the crowd and killing three. "We are changing tactics and the foreigners won't see what is coming," said Mr Ahmadi.
Yesterday a roadside bomb exploded near a US Humvee in western Afghanistan, killing four Marines in the deadliest attack against American troops in the country this year. Last month, the total of American and allied combat deaths in Afghanistan exceeded for the first time the total in Iraq, with 19 fatalities in Afghanistan compared with 14 in Iraq.
[B]Sarposa Prison has recently been accused of torture by inmates, who claim to have been whipped and electrocuted by their Afghan jailers.
Last month, about 40 prisoners stitched their lips together as part of a hunger protest by several hundred inmates over being held for up to two years without trial. They will now be free to air their grievances more widely, which is likely to increase support for the Taliban cause. [/B]
Kandahar province was where the Taliban first emerged in the 1990s under the leadership of Mullah Omar, the one-e preacher whose hardline Islamist vision for Afghanistan still has strong support in the area. However, unlike the rural areas surrounding it, the city of Kandahar is supposed to be firmly under Afghan government and Nato control.
Sarposa Prison was until now one of the showcase development projects for the Canadian government, which is one of only four countries that has a sizeable troop contingent in Taliban-infested southern Afghanistan, along with the British, Americans and Dutch.
Canadian prison officials were sent to train guards and teach them about human rights, until now a largely unheard of concept within the Afghan penal system.
Their funding of the jail programme is just a tiny part of the mounting bill that foreign governments have incurred through their efforts to support Afghanistan's fledgling democracy.
Last Thursday, international donors pledged another £10 billion at a conference in Paris, despite mounting concern that much of the money is disappearing through corruption and sheer incompetence within Afghanistan's government.
Yesterday Canadians reacted with dismay at seeing their prison project in ruins.
"The message this attack sends is that the insurgents can act with relative impunity even into downtown Kandahar," said Colin Kenny, the head of the Canadian senate's committee on security and national defence, and a campaigner for more Nato troops to join the Afghan mission.
"The other message it sends is to the insurgent rank and file: if you get captured, we'll get you out."
Lesson: Stop spreading rumors about the martyrs of Allah
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Sargent Schultz at a loss for explanation...........
How Taliban sprang 450 terrorists from Kandahar's Sarposa prison in Afghanistan
Overlooking the dusty road into one of Afghanistan's most lawless cities, the newly-painted guard towers of Kandahar's Sarposa prison are supposed to be a reminder to local people of how justice has finally come to town.
In recent years, coalition officials have spent millions turning the 60-year-old building into a showcase facility for Afghanistan's new government, issuing guards with crisp new uniforms and giving them lessons on how to treat their charges humanely.
Rather less attention, however, seems to have been spent on the jail's most basic function – security.
Yesterday, Sarposa's entire potion of 1,100 inmates – including murderers, bandits and about 450 hardened Islamic militants – was enjoying freedom after an audacious Taliban attack engineered one of the biggest mass jail breaks in history.
In a spectacular raid which confounded hopes that the Taliban was now on the back foot, a group of about 30 heavily armed insurgents launched an assault on the prison on Friday evening, using two suicide bombers to blow open the gates and then massacring at least 15 dazed guards as they tried to put up a fight.
The inmates fled into the night through the lush pomegranate groves that surround the building before coalition troops could arrive from their base on the far side of the city. Convoys of Taliban-driven getaway minibuses were waiting nearby with engines running.
Yesterday, as coalition and Afghan officials launched an urgent review of security in every jail in the country and declared a state of emergency in Kandahar, Taliban supporters around the region began slaughtering sheep in antition of being reunited with their jailed relations.
The militant faction's excitable media spokesmen – normally prone to wild exaggerations of their military successes – for once had no need of hyperbole. Unable to contain their glee at such a propaganda victory, they spent much of the day issuing taunts to the Western-backed government of President Hamid Karzai, and making blood-curdling threats of similar actions for the future.
"We released all the prisoners, including 450 Taliban, we killed most of the guards, and we blocked the roads into the city so that our fighters could escape," crowed Qari Yusuf Ahmadi, a Taliban spokesman for southern Afghanistan. "This was our first attack in the very heart of Kandahar, and this is a signal to the puppet government of Hamid Karzai and the infidel government of the West that they should not forget the Taliban."
Witnesses said that the attack began at around 9pm, when a suicide bomber driving a water tanker laden with explosives careered towards the main prison gates.
As another suicide bomber on foot blew up the jail's rear gate, masked motorcyclists armed with automatic weapons and rocket-propelled grenades streamed into the jail's four main courtyards, breaking open every cell door in sight.
Of particular interest to them was the prison's high-security political section, which was home to a large contingent of medium-ranking Taliban suspects handed over to the Afghan government by American forces.
"First we exploded two suicide attacks and then our mujahedin riding motorcycles entered the prison and killed the remaining security guards," said Mr Ahmadi. "We successfully freed all prisoners including our jailed Taliban."
The operation and the ensuing gunbattle with prison guards and police lasted nearly an hour, during which eight prisoners were killed.
The Afghan government claimed that the prison's police and guards had managed to keep hold of about 200 inmates, but local officials said later that the jail had been emptied.
"It was an unprecedented attack and together with foreign forces, an operation has been launched to track down and arrest the prisoners," said Mohammad Qasim Hashimzai, Afghanistan's deputy justice minister. "We are trying to find out if there was any inside help."
He said the prison's senior manager, Abdul Qabir, was under investigation, although he stressed that was a routine measure in such cases.
Ahmed Wali Karzai, the head of Kandahar's provincial council and a brother of President Karzai, disclosed that the escaped Taliban included commanders, trained assassins and volunteers who had undergone grooming for suicide bomb missions. "It is very dangerous for security," he said. "They are the most experienced killers and they all managed to escape."
Witnesses described seeing other inmates running along the roads and scattering into nearby villages before the Canadian troops, who are part of the Nato-led force based outside Kandahar, could arrive.
Disappearing along with them, meanwhile, was any lingering notion that the Taliban are still a rag-tag force incapable of much more than unsophisticated skirmishing.
Only as this month began, British forces in southern Afghanistan claimed the movement was on the brink of military defeat after losing more than 7,000 fighters in combat.
But costly encounters in conventional battle have focused Taliban commanders' minds on developing more sophisticated tactics, conserving their resources for better-planned "spectaculars".
The first of these took place in Kabul in January, when a combined suicide squad of gunmen and fighters blasted it way through security at the city's Serena hotel, a five-star facility favoured by Westerners, killing six people.
Then in April, marksmen managed to breach security at a parade attended by President Karzai and Western diplomats, opening fire on the crowd and killing three. "We are changing tactics and the foreigners won't see what is coming," said Mr Ahmadi.
Yesterday a roadside bomb exploded near a US Humvee in western Afghanistan, killing four Marines in the deadliest attack against American troops in the country this year. Last month, the total of American and allied combat deaths in Afghanistan exceeded for the first time the total in Iraq, with 19 fatalities in Afghanistan compared with 14 in Iraq.
[B]Sarposa Prison has recently been accused of torture by inmates, who claim to have been whipped and electrocuted by their Afghan jailers.
Last month, about 40 prisoners stitched their lips together as part of a hunger protest by several hundred inmates over being held for up to two years without trial. They will now be free to air their grievances more widely, which is likely to increase support for the Taliban cause. [/B]
Kandahar province was where the Taliban first emerged in the 1990s under the leadership of Mullah Omar, the one-e preacher whose hardline Islamist vision for Afghanistan still has strong support in the area. However, unlike the rural areas surrounding it, the city of Kandahar is supposed to be firmly under Afghan government and Nato control.
Sarposa Prison was until now one of the showcase development projects for the Canadian government, which is one of only four countries that has a sizeable troop contingent in Taliban-infested southern Afghanistan, along with the British, Americans and Dutch.
Canadian prison officials were sent to train guards and teach them about human rights, until now a largely unheard of concept within the Afghan penal system.
Their funding of the jail programme is just a tiny part of the mounting bill that foreign governments have incurred through their efforts to support Afghanistan's fledgling democracy.
Last Thursday, international donors pledged another £10 billion at a conference in Paris, despite mounting concern that much of the money is disappearing through corruption and sheer incompetence within Afghanistan's government.
Yesterday Canadians reacted with dismay at seeing their prison project in ruins.
"The message this attack sends is that the insurgents can act with relative impunity even into downtown Kandahar," said Colin Kenny, the head of the Canadian senate's committee on security and national defence, and a campaigner for more Nato troops to join the Afghan mission.
"The other message it sends is to the insurgent rank and file: if you get captured, we'll get you out."
Lesson: Stop spreading rumors about the martyrs of Allah
Mugheerah ibn Shu’bah - radiallaahu ’anhu:
“There will not cease to be a group from my Ummah victorious, until Allaah Command comes and they are victorious.” [10]
[iii] The hadeeth of ’Umar - radiallaahu ’anhu:
“There will not cease to be a group from my Ummah victorious upon the truth, until the Hour is established.” [11]
[iv] The hadeeth of Thawbaan - radiallaahu ‘a&u:
9.
‘There will not cease to be agroup from my Ummah victorious upon
the truth, those who oppose them will not harm them, until Allaah-‘s
affair comes and they are like that.“‘12
[v] ‘Imraan ibn Husain - radiallaahu ‘anhumaa:
“There will not cease to be agroup from my Ummahfighting upon
the truth, victorious over those that oppose them, until the last of them
j&bts Maseehud-Dajjaal.-n13
Collectively, the ahaadeeth of at-Taa’ifatul-Mansoorab (the Aided
Group) reach the level of being mutawaatir, as has been stated
by a group from the people of Knowledge; and from them:-Shaykhul-
Islaam IbnTaymiyyahin Iqtidaaas-Siraatul-Mustaqeem
(p.6), as-Suyootee in al-Azbaarul-Mutanaatbirab, az-Zubaydee
in Laqtul-Laalee al-Mutanaatbirah (p.68), al-Kataanee in
Nazmul-Mutanaatbir (no.93) and also our Shaykh al-Albaanee,
bafidbabullaab, in SalaatuPEedain (pp.39.40).
[vi] The hadeeth of Jaabir - radiallaahu ‘anhu:
“KGere will not cease to be adroupj%om my Ummaahfighting upon
the truth, uppermost until the Day of Resurrection. Then Eesaa son
of Mary (‘alayhis-Salaam) will descend and their Ameer will say:
Come and lead us in Prayer. So be will say: No! Some ofyou are the
chiefs of others, an honourfiom Allaah for this Ummah.“14
From these ahaadeeth comes the description of the group
“victorious upon the trutb”which is indeed established for it. And
also Vbe Aided 0nes”since Allaah takes it upon Himselfto protect
it and to make it under His Eye, until His affair comes about, and
they are like that.
[vii] The hadeeth of Salmah ibn Nufail - radiallaahu anhu:
“Now$@in. has come. And there will not cease to be agroupfiom
my Ummah uppermost amongst the people. Allaah will raise up the
hearts ofpeople, so they will fight them, and Allaah will provide for
them whilst they are upon that. Indeed, the center of the home of the
Believers is in Shaam. Andgood is tied to the forelock ofhorses, until
the Day of Resurrection.“15
The Third Angle: the Jamaa’ah
Thirdly: The description of the Firqatun-Naajiyab (the Saved-Sect)
and the Taa%fatuL-Mansoorab (the Aided Group), then is
there any contradiction or difference between them?
The authentic narrations from the Messenger ofAllaah sallallaabu
‘alaybi wa sallam specify the characteristics, manbaj
(methodology) and condition of the Saved-Sect and Aided
Group. However, here we will talk only about the manhaj:
[viii] ‘Uqbah ibn ‘Aamir - radiallaabu ‘anbu:
?l%ere will not cease to be a pam*!*!*!*! my Ummab, fightimg upon
Allaab-‘sorder, [overcoming their enemy] those who oppose them will
not harm them, until the Hour comes to them and they are upon
As for the manbaj, then there are three wordings reported which
restricts its description:
“That which I and my Companions are upon” - as is in the
narration of ‘Abdullaah ibn ‘Arm radiallaabu ‘anbu.
rbat.“16
ix] The hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah - radiallaabu ‘anbu:
Y%ere will not cease to be a8roupfrom my Ummab upon Allaah’s
a..air, they will not be harmed by those who oppose them.-n17
1x1 Qurrah ibn Ayaas - radiallaabu ‘anbu:
W’ben the people of Sbaam become corrupt then there will be nogood
in you. And there will not cease to be agroupjkom my Ummab being
helped, and those who oppose them will not harm them, until the
Hour is established. x1 8
[xi] Jaabir ibn Samurah - radiallaabu ‘anbu:
“This Deen will not cease to be upright with a Broup of Muslims
fightingfor it, until the Hour is establisbed.U19
[xii] Sa’d ibn Abee Waqqaas radiallaabu ‘anbu:
“There will not cease to be a Broup frOm my Ummab mighty and
victorious upon the Deen, until the Hour is establisbed.U20
[xiii] Abu ‘Inabah al-Khawlaanee - radiallaabu ‘anbu
“Allaah will never cease to plantsome people in this Deen, employing them in His obedience, until the Hour is establisbed.“21
Which Muslim group is this today??????
“There will not cease to be a group from my Ummah victorious, until Allaah Command comes and they are victorious.” [10]
[iii] The hadeeth of ’Umar - radiallaahu ’anhu:
“There will not cease to be a group from my Ummah victorious upon the truth, until the Hour is established.” [11]
[iv] The hadeeth of Thawbaan - radiallaahu ‘a&u:
9.
‘There will not cease to be agroup from my Ummah victorious upon
the truth, those who oppose them will not harm them, until Allaah-‘s
affair comes and they are like that.“‘12
[v] ‘Imraan ibn Husain - radiallaahu ‘anhumaa:
“There will not cease to be agroup from my Ummahfighting upon
the truth, victorious over those that oppose them, until the last of them
j&bts Maseehud-Dajjaal.-n13
Collectively, the ahaadeeth of at-Taa’ifatul-Mansoorab (the Aided
Group) reach the level of being mutawaatir, as has been stated
by a group from the people of Knowledge; and from them:-Shaykhul-
Islaam IbnTaymiyyahin Iqtidaaas-Siraatul-Mustaqeem
(p.6), as-Suyootee in al-Azbaarul-Mutanaatbirab, az-Zubaydee
in Laqtul-Laalee al-Mutanaatbirah (p.68), al-Kataanee in
Nazmul-Mutanaatbir (no.93) and also our Shaykh al-Albaanee,
bafidbabullaab, in SalaatuPEedain (pp.39.40).
[vi] The hadeeth of Jaabir - radiallaahu ‘anhu:
“KGere will not cease to be adroupj%om my Ummaahfighting upon
the truth, uppermost until the Day of Resurrection. Then Eesaa son
of Mary (‘alayhis-Salaam) will descend and their Ameer will say:
Come and lead us in Prayer. So be will say: No! Some ofyou are the
chiefs of others, an honourfiom Allaah for this Ummah.“14
From these ahaadeeth comes the description of the group
“victorious upon the trutb”which is indeed established for it. And
also Vbe Aided 0nes”since Allaah takes it upon Himselfto protect
it and to make it under His Eye, until His affair comes about, and
they are like that.
[vii] The hadeeth of Salmah ibn Nufail - radiallaahu anhu:
“Now$@in. has come. And there will not cease to be agroupfiom
my Ummah uppermost amongst the people. Allaah will raise up the
hearts ofpeople, so they will fight them, and Allaah will provide for
them whilst they are upon that. Indeed, the center of the home of the
Believers is in Shaam. Andgood is tied to the forelock ofhorses, until
the Day of Resurrection.“15
The Third Angle: the Jamaa’ah
Thirdly: The description of the Firqatun-Naajiyab (the Saved-Sect)
and the Taa%fatuL-Mansoorab (the Aided Group), then is
there any contradiction or difference between them?
The authentic narrations from the Messenger ofAllaah sallallaabu
‘alaybi wa sallam specify the characteristics, manbaj
(methodology) and condition of the Saved-Sect and Aided
Group. However, here we will talk only about the manhaj:
[viii] ‘Uqbah ibn ‘Aamir - radiallaabu ‘anbu:
?l%ere will not cease to be a pam*!*!*!*! my Ummab, fightimg upon
Allaab-‘sorder, [overcoming their enemy] those who oppose them will
not harm them, until the Hour comes to them and they are upon
As for the manbaj, then there are three wordings reported which
restricts its description:
“That which I and my Companions are upon” - as is in the
narration of ‘Abdullaah ibn ‘Arm radiallaabu ‘anbu.
rbat.“16
ix] The hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah - radiallaabu ‘anbu:
Y%ere will not cease to be a8roupfrom my Ummab upon Allaah’s
a..air, they will not be harmed by those who oppose them.-n17
1x1 Qurrah ibn Ayaas - radiallaabu ‘anbu:
W’ben the people of Sbaam become corrupt then there will be nogood
in you. And there will not cease to be agroupjkom my Ummab being
helped, and those who oppose them will not harm them, until the
Hour is established. x1 8
[xi] Jaabir ibn Samurah - radiallaabu ‘anbu:
“This Deen will not cease to be upright with a Broup of Muslims
fightingfor it, until the Hour is establisbed.U19
[xii] Sa’d ibn Abee Waqqaas radiallaabu ‘anbu:
“There will not cease to be a Broup frOm my Ummab mighty and
victorious upon the Deen, until the Hour is establisbed.U20
[xiii] Abu ‘Inabah al-Khawlaanee - radiallaabu ‘anbu
“Allaah will never cease to plantsome people in this Deen, employing them in His obedience, until the Hour is establisbed.“21
Which Muslim group is this today??????