Fruits of American Democracy

justoneofmillion

Junior Member
:salam2:

I think it is better to die than protistuting yourself.
assalam,i agree brother alkathiri damn this hurts.......what are the golf countries doing most of them are gillionaires why do they not provide shelter and help for them why don`t they assist this is rediculus,and i believe the sex tourist from the golf countries have no sense of honour no loyalty they should be circumsised twice all off haram aleihum..why are we ruled by fags like this anyways here in the west women don`t really need war to prostitute themselves they do it for free and in some cases they are the ones who would pay if there was Sharia law in syria jordan ..etc this wouldn`t happen:mad:
 

dna1987

Muslim Guy
I don't know brother alkathari - people sometimes do desperate things at times like that. It's sick - those people could've turned out to be very good people in a different environment. People need to start paying zakat properly. And donate. :wasalam:
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Salaam,

Women will do anything to provide for their children. Let us at least pray that Allah gives them a recourse.
A brother had suggested that we start Muslim International...let us become active and help the Syrians help our brothers and sisters.
We all talk so well, including me, but when push comes to shove, we become concrete blocks, inactive.
Let us at least boycott all US products ( if they have any ); Japanese, they support the states, etc. etc. etc.
Back to topic: Prostitution is a by-product of war. We need to honor our sisters and pray that Allah shows us how to help them.
 

American Muslim

Just Another Slave
Salaam,


Let us at least boycott all US products ( if they have any ); Japanese, they support the states, etc. etc. etc.
Back to topic: Prostitution is a by-product of war. We need to honor our sisters and pray that Allah shows us how to help them.

Whoa! Slow down sister. If you choose to make a call to boycott products of America and her supporters, do it for a proper reason. America in the middle east is a problem, ofcourse it is. But it is not just America to blame.

What about the comment that half the liscence plates seen were Saudi? I doubt if most of these "sex tourists" are from anywhere outside the Gulf regions. Why are these "casinos" allowed to operate? Why at these "dance shows" are the men drinking alcohol? Why are these young women not given in marriage to men who can help them? I can go on and on.

But what I am saying is that, unfortunately, these things are happening in a muslim country. Blame America as the root cause if you like, but these men would take advantage of these women regardless of their situations. Muslim men. Muslim women.

Or does America cause these misguided muslims to sin?
 

alkathiri

As-Shafaa'i(Brother)
Whoa! Slow down sister. If you choose to make a call to boycott products of America and her supporters, do it for a proper reason. America in the middle east is a problem, ofcourse it is. But it is not just America to blame.

What about the comment that half the liscence plates seen were Saudi? I doubt if most of these "sex tourists" are from anywhere outside the Gulf regions. Why are these "casinos" allowed to operate? Why at these "dance shows" are the men drinking alcohol? Why are these young women not given in marriage to men who can help them? I can go on and on.

But what I am saying is that, unfortunately, these things are happening in a muslim country. Blame America as the root cause if you like, but these men would take advantage of these women regardless of their situations. Muslim men. Muslim women.

Or does America cause these misguided muslims to sin?


Quote: "Prostitution is a by-product of war".

I think she is looking at the root causes...:)
 

American Muslim

Just Another Slave
Quote: "Prostitution is a by-product of war".

I think she is looking at the root causes...:)

Ok, let us look at that. I believe the Qu'aran says something about the Day of Reckoning where Shaitan will tell the sinner something along the line of he might have led the horse to water, but it was the horse who decided to drink.

Further, I believe prostitution in Syria probably existed before America came to Iraq.

When I was a soldier in the last war (to liberate Kuwait), I saw signs of these blackmarket professions throughout the middle east. They have always existed. Just because someone lives in a muslim land does not make one a mu'min.

I am not saying that the policy of my country does not directly affect things in the middle east. But if a mother or aunt pimps out a little girl or young lady, how is their sin the fault of my country? Will Allah (swt) tell these prostitutes "Oh, don't bother about that...all America's fault anyway." ?
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Salaam,

Prostitution is a by- product of war. Please take into consideration the number of chidren in Viet Nam that were abandoned by American soliders. They are still homeless. Dollars sell.
Of course there was prosititution in Syria. And after the Americans are defeated in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, there will be prosititution in Syria.
The numbers of prosititues swell due to horrific cirumstances.

Yes, if the Muslim ummah is to be united. We need to start boycotting haram. If it is not halal do not buy it; we have the resources to produce and manufacture our own. And do not support any regime that supports the genocide of Muslims.

Brother, as to fighting to Liberate Kuwait...I am a Muslim and will not support any American going to kill another Muslim. Please read your history. American needs to liberate itself from the throngs of big business and Hollywood. America has turned its back on its own people. Please do not read the history books written by the supporters of the government. Please read unbiased objective accounts.
 

American Muslim

Just Another Slave
Please sister, I do not mean to offend you or any others here. The point I was trying to make probably did not come through. Everything happens according to the will of Allah (swt). Including wars. According to the Bene Israel, war came with the second generation of mankind, and will most likely be with us until the horn blows. It is precisely how we behave in the face of these adversities that will deliver or condemn us on the Day. They can no more place the blame for their sins on a distant enemy than I could place mine on you.

Secondly, these women are being used and abused by muslims. I know americans in Iraq, and they are not going to be taking a quick bus ride to Syria to "party", unlike the example of Viet Nam. Many, many amerasian babies were left there; I don't think there will be very many left in the middle east. Comparing those two situations just makes very little sense.

Third, I was not muslim when I was a soldier. But I do remember many muslims fighting against Iraq in that situation. Their seriousness, obvious piety, and their day to day actions directly led me to Islam.

Once again, sorry if I offended; it was not my intention.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Salaam,

Brother, maybe we need to get things heated up. We need to ignite the fire to wake up Muslims. We can not defend the actions of America. We have to call a spade a spade. As long as we tolerate the injustices that are being used to oppress Muslims we are no better.
A dear brother asked me what would I answer to Allah on the Day of Judgement. I was stunned.
There are sisters being burned and raped, children in my eyes, and we do nothing.
They are destroying the houses of Allah. We watch.
We will be questioned one day. What are we going to respond..This is our test too.
Inertia is not an excuse.
Ignorance is not an excuse.
We are so content in our complacancy.
Are we any better than the oppressors?
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Salaam,

Brother American Muslim,

You do not offend me. You make it possible for me to have my say. Please keep writing and maybe together we can help someone else wake-up.
 

American Muslim

Just Another Slave
Well sister, what do you suggest? The vast majority of my countrymen are opposed to this war in Iraq. We will soon have an election that will change our policies, inshallah.

To be quite honest with you, I doubt if any country could seriously afford to boycott American goods and services. This economy is the largest in the world. If America sneezes, GB catches the cold. The dollar affects every country on earth.

Patience. Americans will change America, in the American fashion.

I fear mis-quoting the Qu'aran, but inshallah a kind brother or sister will help me out here. Many are the passages relating to the benefit of patience.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Brother,

Wake-up. Did you read the paper today. There is no growth in the economy. This is the slowest period in the economy since 2002.
The dollar is so weak two dollars to the pound. We import everything. When Reagan broke the unions...he broke America.

What American goods? Made in China, Made in Japan. Americans do not even buy American goods!!!! Ford is going broke.
What services? The only service I know that the US provides is aggression. Please name a service.

America will change in the American fashion. Please go ask the innoncent on death row, go ask the mentally retarded on death row.
How can there be change when Congress and the Executive Branch do not honor the people? America usually fights her way in and out of situations.

Yes there are many benefits to being patient. However, In the second sura are there not ayats telling us to answer to aid Muslims? Are we not commanded to fight for what is Right?

Do not take me wrong. I work to assit people in any capicity. But, I am a Muslim and I will, InshaALlah die a Muslim. Nationality is not a defining characterstic of my idenity.
 

Mohsin

abdu'Allah
Assalamu-alaikum

:salam2:
Brothers and sisters I agree that we have enimies outside the Ummah and that they really dont want us to prosper but our biggest problem lies within. If we were the rulers once it was only with the help of Allah SWT and with strong faith in him and his deen. It was due to following of Rasul-Allah SAW's and his companion's sunnah and example.
So, if we are down and out now its basically due to our own short comings. Allah says in the Quran,

Verily! Allah does not change the condition of a people until they (first) change that which is in their hearts
Al-R'ad

So when they turned away (from the Path of Allâh), Allâh turned their hearts away (from the Right Path). And Allâh guides not the people who are Fâsiqûn (the rebellious, the disobedient to Allâh).
As-Saf

Curses were pronounced on those among the Children of Israel who rejected Faith by the tongue of David and of Jesus the son of Mary: because they disobeyed and persisted in Excesses. (78) Nor did they (usually) forbid one another the iniquities which they committed: evil indeed were the deeds which they did. (79)
Al-Ma'ida

Allah SWT told us a lot about the previous Ummats and the reason I see is that we may take heed from it. So that we do not fall into the same traps as they did. So that we can be well aware of the consequences of those actions. So that we may understand and act the way Allah SAWT wants us to. The Quran has a really wonderful way of teaching things, just take a look at Surah Jumua,

It is He Who has sent amongst the Unlettered a messenger from among themselves, to rehearse to them His Signs, to sanctify them, and to instruct them in Scripture and Wisdom― although they had been, before, in manifest error― (2)

The similitude of those who were charged with the (obligations of the) Mosaic Law, but who subsequently failed in those (obligations), is that of a donkey which carries huge tomes (but understands them not). Evil is the similitude of people who falsify the Signs of Allah: and Allah guides not people who do wrong. (5)
Jumua

In the above ayaat Allah SWT first reminded us that Allah swt has send his messenger SAW and that he SAW, by Allah's will taught us what we did not know,
"to rehearse to them His Signs, to sanctify them, and to instruct them in Scripture (Law) and Wisdom― although they had been, before, in manifest error"

And as the Surah progresses Allah SWT tells us the similitutude of those before us who were given and were blessed with Allah's book, law and wisdom but threw it away behind their backs,
"The similitude of those who were charged with the (obligations of the) Torah, but who subsequently failed in those (obligations), is that of a donkey which carries huge tomes (but understands them not). Evil is the similitude of people who falsify the Signs of Allah: and Allah guides not people who do wrong."

And then there were promises from Allah SWT to them that if they would have abided by his books and message he would have always helped them and provided for them,

And if only they had acted according to the Taurât (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel), and what has (now) been sent down to them from their Lord (the Qur'ân), they would surely have gotten provision from above them and from underneath their feet.
Al-Ma'ida

At another place Allah SWT tells us about the reason for their expulsion from the title of CHOSEN PEOPLE,

And remember Allah took a Covenant from the People of the Book, to make it known and clear to mankind, and not to hide it; but they threw it away behind their backs, and purchased with it some miserable gain! and vile was the bargain they made! (187)
Al-e-Imran

Then do you believe in a part of the Scripture and reject the rest? Then what is the recompense of those who do so among you, except disgrace in the life of this world, and on the Day of Resurrection they shall be consigned to the most grievous torment. And Allâh is not unaware of what you do. (85)
Al-Baqarah

So the very basic problem with us is being far away from the Quran and Sunnah and things will not change for us untill we change ourselves because Allah SWT does not wrong us but we ourselves do that.

Truly! Allâh wrongs not mankind in aught; but mankind wrong themselves. (44)
Yunus

And if we are not going to change our ways then, Allah SWT says,

"It may be that your Lord may show mercy unto you, but if you return (to sins), We shall return (to Our Punishment).
Al-Isra

So its our time to return towards Allah and to repent and to cling to Quran and Sunnah. We have our chance as people before us had thier's

Generations before you We destroyed when they did wrong: their Messengers came to them with Clear Signs, but they would not believe! Thus do We requite those who sin! (13)Then We made you heirs in the land after them, to see how ye would behave! (14) But when Our Clear Signs are rehearsed unto them those who rest not their hope on their meeting with Us, say: "Bring us a Reading other than this or change this."
Yunus

Is it not what we are trying to do and atleast showing by our actions and deeds,
"But when Our Clear Signs are rehearsed unto them those who rest not their hope on their meeting with Us, say: "Bring us a Reading other than this or change this."

What, in my humble opinion, we have to do is that we have to return to Allah and seek his forgiveness,

May Allah gives us all hidayah and courage to stand for him and to follow the Quran and Sunnah completely

> We have to help our fellow muslims particulary with learning and following our deen. And to make them understand that our success lies in the following of the will of our creator.

> We have to make our own people understand that its our responsibilty to help our brothers and sisters who are in need and not to take advantage of their miserable conditions.

> We have to tell them that its Allah's mercy upon them that they are in the place of a buyer and not in the place of the seller who has to sell themselves to feed their families.

> We have to understand and to remind ourselves that our strength lies in uniting on the Quran and Sunnah and have to pray to Allah SWT to change our condition

> We have to TURN TO ISLAM

And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allâh (i.e. this Qur'ân), and be not divided among yourselves[], and remember Allâh's Favour on you.
Aal-e-Imran

It is reported by Abu Sa'eed Khudri (Radhiyallaho anho) that the Prophet (Sallallaho alaihe wasallam) said: "Whoever sees a forbidden thing being done, he must prevent it by the use of his hand; and if he has no power for this action, then he should prevent it with his tongue; and if he cannot do this even, then he should at least consider it a vice in his heart, and this is a very low level of one's faith."
(Muslim)

It has been reported by Nu'maan bin Basheer (Radhiyallaho anho) that the Prophet (Sallallaho alaihe wasallam) said: "There are people who do not transgress the limits (laws) of Allah, and there are others who do so. They are like two groups who boarded a ship; one of them settled on the upper deck, and the other, on the lower deck of the ship.
So, when the people of the lower deck needed water, they said: 'Why should we cause trouble to the people of the upper deck when we can easily have plenty of water by making a hole in our deck.' Now if the people of the upper deck do not prevent this group from such foolishness, all of them will perish - but if they stop them then they all will be saved."
(Bukhari & at-Tirmidhi)

It has been reported by Ibn Mas'ood (Radhiyallaho anha) that the Prophet (Sallallaho alaihe wasal-lam) said: "The decline and fall of Bani Israa-eel started thus: when the pious among them saw certain sins being committed by the transgressors, they forbade them from doing the same; but when the sinners did not repent, the pious because of their relationship and friendship continued to mix with them. So, when this state of affairs began to prevail, Allah caused their hearts to be accursed in the same manner." (i.e. the hearts were also affected with the disobedience of the transgressors).
Then in support of this, the Prophet (Sallallaho alaihe wasallam) recited a verse of the Holy Qur'an, which says: 'The disobedient and the transgressors among the Bani Israa-eel were accursed by Allah.' On this, the Prophet (Sallallaho alaihe wasallam) emphatically instructed his Companions: "(To avoid such decline) you people must enjoin upon others to do good deeds and prevent them from doing forbidden things; you should restrain every tyrant from tyranny and invite him towards truth and justice.*'
(Abu-Dawud & at-Tirmidhi)


These are the words in Abu Dawud, and the words in at-Tirmidhi are: "The Messenger of Allah, (Sallallaho alaihe wasallam), said, 'When the Children of Israel fell into acts of disobedience, their men of knowledge forbade them, but they did not stop. Then they sat with them in their assemblies and ate and drank with them, so Allah caused the hearts of some of them to be tainted by others. Allah cursed them on the tongue of Da'ud and 'Isa ibn Maryam. That was for their disobedience and overstepping the limits." The Messenger of Allah (Sallallaho alaihe wasallam), who had been reclining, sat up. Then he said, "No, by the One who has my soul in His hand, until they bend them to the truth completely!"

O' Ummah, let us stand firm together and help each other to overcome this situation which we have dumped ourselves into with our own deeds,

Help you one another in Al-Birr and At-Taqwa (virtue, righteousness and piety); but do not help one another in sin and transgression. And fear Allâh. Verily, Allâh is Severe in punishment. (2)
Al-Ma'ida

O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allâh, even though it be against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, be he rich or poor, Allâh is a Better Protector to both (than you). So follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest you avoid justice, and if you distort your witness or refuse to give it, verily, Allâh is Ever Well¬Acquainted with what you do.[] (135)
An-Nisa

O you who believe! Stand out firmly for Allâh as just witnesses and let not the enmity and hatred of others make you avoid justice. Be just: that is nearer to piety, and fear Allâh. Verily, Allâh is Well-Acquainted with what you do. (8)
Al-Ma'ida

And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allâh (i.e. this Qur'ân), and be not divided among yourselves[], and remember Allâh's Favour on you.
Aal-e-Imran
 

Proud2BeHumble

Seek Truth, Be Happy
:salam2:

Difficult to believe that practicing muslims can follow such path, may be they are teenagers and had not grasped the message strong at this relative young age. I wonder there are jobs available like housmaid etc every place, if you just want to survive. But if you want big money, jobs may not be available so easily.

Anyway, Allah told us that he will test us no matter even if we are believers. Allah will separate true believers from "munafiks". Very difficult situation to realise but this is the truth.

2:155 Be sure we shall test you with something of fear and hunger, some loss in goods or lives or the fruits (of your toil), but give glad tidings to those who patiently persevere

3:142 Did ye think that ye would enter Heaven without Allah testing those of you who fought hard (In His Cause) and remained steadfast?

3:186 Ye shall certainly be tried and tested in your possessions and in your personal selves; and ye shall certainly Hear much that will grieve you, from those who received the Book before you and from those who worship many gods. But if ye persevere patiently, and guard against evil,-then that will be a determining factor in all affairs

20:131 Nor strain thine eyes in longing for the things We have given for enjoyment to parties of them, the splendour of the life of this world, through which We test them: but the provision of thy Lord is better and more enduring

21:35 Every soul shall have a taste of death: and We test you by evil and by good by way of trial. to Us must ye return

29:2 Do men think that they will be left alone on saying, "We believe", and that they will not be tested?

47:31 And We shall try you until We test those among you who strive their utmost and persevere in patience; and We shall try your reported (mettle).

60:10 O ye who believe! When there come to you believing women refugees, examine (and test) them: Allah knows best as to their Faith: if ye ascertain that they are Believers, then send them not back to the Unbelievers.


Last verse also shows the responsibility of believers and respective govenments. Refugees must not be trapped in such situations with unbelivers. Needless to say in what category muslims will fall who are promoting / or involved with clubs, sex and prostitution.

May Allah protect us all and our families from such strong tests. May Allah help and guide all those who are in such situation, specially who are forced to do so.

Wassalam
 

island muslim

Junior Member
Salaam Alaiykum,

As you know there are christians and other religions in Syria tough they are a minority. Thus a lot of christians run these bars and nightclubs in Syria where they exploit the iraqi sisters who came as refugees. If you are muslim you CANNOT run a nightclub in Syria. Ofcourse there might be patrons who are muslim but thats not the issue. The iraqi refugee situation came about ALL THANKS to america.

USA = United Satan's Army

Somebody said that in a youtube comment and i have to agree.

wassalaam alaiykum
 

safiya58

Junior Member
this is really very sad. I think no one has the right to judge the sisters just Allah has the right to judge. Where are the muslims? Shame on us for not being able to do anything. I love my sisters and I will make dua for them. Insaallah Allah will give them sabir and strength.
 
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