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08-29-2006, 10:54 PM
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Is A StepFatherInLaw Your Mehram?
Can someone pls help me with this q pls
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08-30-2006, 01:03 AM
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Abu Abdillah
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Assalamu alaykum,
Step Father in Law ? I think this word is perhaps a mistake?
Step Father is a Mahram.
Your Husbands Father is your Father-in-Law he is Mahram too.
Your brother-in-law is not mahram,
wasalam.
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08-30-2006, 03:13 AM
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Asalamualikum,
I think she means a stepfather who is her husband's step father, so that makes him her father in law, as well.
He is a stepfather (to husband) and father in law (to her)
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08-30-2006, 02:17 PM
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Awww Karima Sis u spot on gal Mwah *!*!*!
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08-30-2006, 03:57 PM
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Assalamu Alaykum,
He is still your step father. So mahram.
Wasalam.
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08-30-2006, 06:01 PM
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Ok I'm Confused i'm talking about StepFatherInLaw not A StepFather lol
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08-30-2006, 07:44 PM
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I am confused...-_-"
Waiting for an explanation
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08-31-2006, 06:29 PM
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08-31-2006, 07:52 PM
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Abu Abdillah
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husband's stepfather is mahram as he's married to husband's mother.
Wasalam.
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09-01-2006, 12:52 AM
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Can I please please have some islamic evidence:-)
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He doesnt have any children from mother in law :-s
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09-01-2006, 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Kashmiri
Can I please please have some islamic evidence:-)
Asalaam Alaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakathuhu
He doesnt have any children from mother in law :-s
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Wa alaykum Salam Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh
Whether or not he has children in marriage doesnt matter. He is the man's step-father.
Mahram refers to the husband or a male relative whose relationship to the woman, due to blood, breast feeding or marriage relations, is such that they are never allowed to be married.
Mahrams by marriage
A woman’s mahrams by marriage are those whom it is forever forbidden to marry, such as the father’s wife, the son’s wife or the wife’s mother. (Sharh al-Muntahaa, 3/7).
The mahram by marriage of the father’s wife is his son from another wife, for the wife of the son it is his father, and for the mother of the wife it is the husband. Allaah says in Soorat al-Noor (interpretation of the meaning):
“… and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband’s fathers, or their sons, or their husband’s sons…” [al-Noor 24:31]. Their husband’s fathers and their husband’s sons are mahrams of the woman by marriage. Allaah mentioned them along with their (the women’s own) fathers and sons, and made them all the same in the sense that women may display their adornments in front of them. (Al-Mughni, 6/555)
You can read the whole article here:
http://www.islamqa.com/special/index...site=16&ln=eng
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09-01-2006, 03:37 AM
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Asalamualikum,
Can you explain what 'Mahram' means?
Sallam
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09-01-2006, 05:26 AM
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salam alaykum....
sisters & brothers...
step-father-in-law =step-father + father-in-law
step-father = a Man who is married to ur mother, but who isn't ur father
Father-in-law = The father of ur hausband or wife
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sorry sister....But i wanna explain something for bro & sis here...
<1st> her parents got divorced and her mother remarried to her step-father.
<2nd > she married to her step-father son ( step-brother ) ....
<3nd> step-father and her mother got divorced..
, also she and her (Husband = step-brother) got divorced..
<4rd> she is asked if Allowed to married her step-father-in-law or not....
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<5th> insha` Allah the answer is....
The husband’s father is considered to be a woman’s mahram even if her husband divorces her, because Allaah says, stating who a one’s mahrams are
(interpretation of the meaning):
“the wives of your sons who (spring) from your own loins”
[al-Nisa’ 4:23]
In this case, the father-in-law becomes a mahram simply as soon as the marriage contract is completed; if a man makes a marriage contract with a woman, then the man’s father becomes a mahram for his son’s wife, even if the marriage is not consummated.
This is what the scholars called al-mahaarim bi’l-musaaharah (mahrams by marriage).
The women who become mahrams through marriage are of four types:
1 – Women married by one’s father (i.e., father’s wife and also grandfathers’ wives). Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And marry not women whom your fathers married”
[al-Nisa’ 4:22]
2 – One’s wife’s mother or grandmother:
“Forbidden to you (for marriage) are… your wives’ mothers…”
[al-Nisa’ 4:23 – interpretation of the meaning]
3 – One’s stepdaughter (a wife’s daughter by a previous husband). The stepdaughter is not a mahram unless the man has consummated the marriage with her mother. If he simply made a marriage contract with her but did not consummate the marriage, then she is not a mahram, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“your stepdaughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom you have gone in — but there is no sin on you if you have not gone in them”
[al-Nisa’ 4:23 – interpretation of the meaning]
4 – One’s son’s wife and one’s grandsons’ wives, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“the wives of your sons who (spring) from your own loins”
[al-Nisa’ 4:23 – interpretation of the meaning]
From Jaami’ Ahkaam al-Nisa’ by al-‘Adawi, 5/302
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Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“… your wives’ mothers, your stepdaughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom you have gone in — but there is no sin on you if you have not gone in them (to marry their daughters), — the wives of your sons who (spring) from your own loins …”
[al-Nisa’ 4:23]
These three are mahrams by marriage. The phrase “your wives’ mothers” means that it is haraam for a man to marry the mother or grandmother of his wife, no matter how far the line of ascent reaches (i.e., great-grandmother, etc), whether that is through the mother’s line or the father’s. She becomes his mahram as soon as the marriage contract is done.
If a man makes a marriage contract with a woman, it becomes haraam for him to marry her mother and she becomes one of his mahrams even if the marriage with her daughter is not consummated. If it so happens that the daughter dies or he divorces her, then he is still a mahram for her mother. If it so happens that consummation of the marriage is delayed, then he is still a mahram to her mother; she may uncover her face in front of him and he may travel with her and be alone with her, and there is no sin on him, because the mother and grandmother of the woman become mahrams as soon as the marriage contract is done, because Allaah says “your wives’ mothers”, and a woman becomes a man’s wife as soon as the marriage contract is done.
The phrase “the wives of your sons who (spring) from your own loins” means that it becomes haraam for a man to marry the wife of his son or grandson, no matter how far the line of descent extends, as soon as the marriage contract is done. The wife of one’s son’s son (grandson) becomes a mahram to the grandfather as soon as the marriage contract is done. Hence if a man makes a valid marriage contract with a woman, then he divorces her immediately thereafter, she becomes a mahram for his father and grandfather, no matter how far the line of ascent reaches, because of the general meaning of the phrase, “the wives of your sons who (spring) from your own loins”. The woman becomes permissible for her husband as soon as the marriage contract is done.
From al-Fataawa al-Jaami’ah li’l-Mar’ah al-Muslimah, 2/591.
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09-01-2006, 05:35 AM
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Can you explain what 'Mahram' means?
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salam alaykum....click Here insha` Allah....
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09-01-2006, 10:55 AM
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MAY ALLAH BLESS YOU
ASALAMUALIKUM
Thank you for your replies about this subject matter
Your guidance helps to keep us on the straight path
Sallam
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09-01-2006, 03:37 PM
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Alhumdullila
Walaykum Asalaam Warahmatullahi Wabarakthuhu
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07-02-2007, 09:29 PM
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As-salaamu `alaykum.
I dont see how any of these responses answer this question. For a man can't marry the wife of his son from his own loins (his daughter in-law). In this case, the son is only a step-son, so he HASN'T sprung from his loins.
On the contrary in fact, I came across this which is very similar to this question,
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The wife of your wife’s father is not a mahram for you
Question:
Is my wifes stepmother my mahrem .
Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.
The wife of your wife’s father is not considered to be a mahram for you, so it would be permissible for you to marry her, because whether or not a person is a mahram can only be proven by a text of sharee’ah, and there is no text to state that this person is a mahram. Rather, when Allaah listed the women who are mahrams, He stated that all others are permissible for marriage. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“All others are lawful”
[al-Nisa’ 4:24]
Not only that, it is also permissible to be married to a woman and her father’s ex-wife at the same time, according to the majority of scholars.
Ibn Rajab al-Hanbali said:
Being married to a man’s ex-wife and his daughter from another wife at the same time is permissible according to the majority but is makrooh according to some of the salaf.
Jaami’ al-‘Uloom wa’l-Hukam, p. 411
Imam al-Shaafa’i said:
If a man is married to the daughter of a man and the ex-wife of her father (at the same time), Abu Haneefah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said that this is permissible, and we heard that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Ja’far did that.
Al-Shaafa’i (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: There is nothing wrong with being married to a man’s ex-wife and his daughter from another wife.
Al-Umm, 7/155
Imam Ibn Hazm said:
It is permissible for a man to be married to a woman and to the ex-wife of her father and the ex-wife of her son and the daughter of her paternal uncle at the same time, because there is no text which states that this is haraam. This is the view of Abu Haneefah, Maalik, al-Shaafa’i and Abu Sulaymaan.
Al-Muhalla, 9/532.
Ibn Qudaamah said:
There is nothing wrong with being married to a woman who was the wife of a man and his daughter from another wife.
Most of the scholars say that it is permissible to be married to a woman and her stepdaughter at the same time. ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Ja’far and Safwaan ibn Umayyah did that. This is the view of all the fuqaha’ apart from al-Hasan, ‘Ikrimah and Ibn Abi Layla; it was narrated that they regarded it as makrooh.
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“All others are lawful”
[al-Nisa’ 4:24]
And because they are not related, they are like two strangers. And because marrying two closely-related women at the same time is forbidden lest there be a severing of family ties between those who are closely related. There is no such relationship between these two, so their case is different from what has been mentioned.
Al-Mughni, 7/98
Based on this, then the wife of your wife’s father is not counted as one of your mahrams, rather she is a “stranger” to you, so you may not shake hands with her or be alone with her or travel with her.
And Allaah knows best.
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[Al-Wasiyyat ul-Kubraa] Muhammad ibn Mubashshir al-Karmeenee said:
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07-02-2007, 10:58 PM
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Ur husbands stepfather is not ur mahram.
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In the Name of Allah, Most Merciful and Compassionate
The stepfather (lit. "mother's husband") is not considered mahram to the wife of his wife's son (who is referred to by the fuqaha as a rabib), regardless of whether the stepfather is Muslim or non-Muslim. The great scholar al-Bajuri says in his supercommentary on Ibn Qasim (Hashiya 'ala Ibn Qasim): "The wife of the stepson -- i.e. the son of one's wife -- is not unmarriageable." (Hashiya al-Bajuri, 2.117) It is therefore obligatory for the Muslim wife to observe the rules of hijab in front of her husband's stepfather.
Amjad Rasheed
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(Shaykh Amjad Rasheed has spent several years studying Shafi'i fiqh in Jordan, Syria, and Hadramawt. He currently lives and teaches in Amman. The Shafii Fiqh Forum translates questions it receives and sends them to him to answer and then translates his Arabic answers and posts them on the list.)
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07-02-2007, 11:41 PM
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assalamu alaykum
No i don't think so because he is your husband's stepfather but i don't know.
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07-10-2007, 02:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Albint_Almuslima
Ur husbands stepfather is not ur mahram.
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In the Name of Allah, Most Merciful and Compassionate
The stepfather (lit. "mother's husband") is not considered mahram to the wife of his wife's son (who is referred to by the fuqaha as a rabib), regardless of whether the stepfather is Muslim or non-Muslim. The great scholar al-Bajuri says in his supercommentary on Ibn Qasim (Hashiya 'ala Ibn Qasim): "The wife of the stepson -- i.e. the son of one's wife -- is not unmarriageable." (Hashiya al-Bajuri, 2.117) It is therefore obligatory for the Muslim wife to observe the rules of hijab in front of her husband's stepfather.
Amjad Rasheed
Amman, Jordan.
(Shaykh Amjad Rasheed has spent several years studying Shafi'i fiqh in Jordan, Syria, and Hadramawt. He currently lives and teaches in Amman. The Shafii Fiqh Forum translates questions it receives and sends them to him to answer and then translates his Arabic answers and posts them on the list.)
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Jazaakillaah Khayr.
This is what I mean. I was surprised to see the responses in this thread saying that he is mahram when the question wasn't completely answered. This is something dangerous, none of the proofs above are valid responses to the question, is a man a mahram to his step-sons wife? Yaa ikhwaan wa ikhwaat, we need to be careful when answering the questions for people, as one fatwa isn't befitting for a totally different situation. These are the times of questions that are taken to the people of knowledge, we shouldn't answer them ourselves at all, unless we have some SPECIFIC proof. In fact it is something very dangerous and I know this based upon recent experiences now. I asked one student of knowledge who simply said "I don't know" and remember that saying "I don't know" is one halve of knowledge. Alhamdulillaah he did say that he is taking it up to Shaykh Ahmad As-Subaa`ee of Kuwait if he is able to.
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[Al-Wasiyyat ul-Kubraa] Muhammad ibn Mubashshir al-Karmeenee said:
"Muhammad ibn Salaam al-Baykandee's pen broke whilst in the gathering of a Shaykh, so he announced "a pen for a deenaar", whereby pens began to fall upon him (from all directions)."
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07-11-2007, 07:10 AM
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wait, my half brother's mom wears the hijab in front of me. Isn't she like a mom to me? Even if she's divorced?
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07-11-2007, 07:49 PM
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Assalaam alaikum
I have a question to add to this thread.
My husband has a stepfather and the stepfather has children borne of my husbands mother.
Will I have to observe hijab in front of my husbands stepfather?
I know this has been asked already but there has been so much confusion about the answer I would like to clarify again.
Wa salaam
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07-11-2007, 08:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ummzaina
Will I have to observe hijab in front of my husbands stepfather?
I know this has been asked already but there has been so much confusion about the answer I would like to clarify again.
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The matter is simple. Is the man in question one who can legally marry you? If the answer is yes, then you need to cover when he's present and you cannot be alone with him. The list of people whom a man cannot marry is unambiguously itemized in 4:23.
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