Blood test before Marriage...

shaheeda35 · 08-02-2007, 01:22 AM

In New York, most masjids require that you have a blood test before you get married, to a point where the imam wont marry you without seeing proof, such as documentation etc...So what is it like where you live? Is this a requirement in order to get married?? Your views inshallah. Jazakallahu Khairan!

Aapa · 08-02-2007, 04:04 AM

Salaam,

Sister when I got married in the Metropolitian DC area it was a nightmare. DC gives a blood test. You pay a certain amount; wait three DC business days; and you have a choice of a civil or ecumenical ceremony.
The masjids there would not marry you unless you would bring proof of the blood test and civil ceremony.
Virginia was not as strict however they would not honor a religious ceremony unless you had proof of a civil service. This was 15 years ago. The explanation given to me was govermentimmitagtionwhateverittakestoirrateyouhogw ash. Gays had it easier for a union.

dianne · 08-02-2007, 04:14 AM

Salam,

yea same here also for muslim/non muslim must take blood test, muslim also must go for a marriage course before marry.

wassalam

AishaHadi · 08-02-2007, 06:39 AM

Blood test?????that's odd

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Originally Posted by dianne

Salam,

muslim also must go for a marriage course before marry.

wassalam

i wish there was sucha thing over here i will be the first one to enrol

sumaya_graham · 08-02-2007, 07:49 AM

assalam Alaikum,

I think that everyone should be screened for any kind of disease before they get married. People and no discrimination here but Men do tend to live a wild life before getting married and it wouldn't be the first time I've heard women getting not very pleasant things that way. And well it just protects everyone, including men, from unwanted surprises later on, Insha Allah.

If you haven't got anything to hide I can't see what would be the problem in doing this.

Fi amanillah,
Sumaya

jabba · 08-02-2007, 05:41 PM

Deleted, because i can't say how I feel, I have to act like a robot around everyone, just to be liked. my feedback, like me won't be missed anyways

MubarekMuslimah · 08-02-2007, 05:57 PM

Blood test for what? not everything shows up in a blood test and besides someone may have caught an illness through no fault of their own or not even be aware of it.......presuming its a test for some kind of illness.

I have never heard of this and I am not sure it is right Islamically or right fullp-stop. If you fear your fiance has somekind of illness then ask them - people need to be adult and straightforward about these kind of things. At the same time though people shouldnt be judged if they are ill - its possible to catch things through non-haraam behaviour. Likewise is it fair to reject someone for marriage based on a genetic disorder they may have??

I find this very odd.

Aapa · 08-02-2007, 05:57 PM

Salaam,

Be careful blood test results are kept for data and all kinds of intrusive information for the public domain.

TheHumbleWun · 08-02-2007, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mirajmom

Salaam,

Sister when I got married in the Metropolitian DC area it was a nightmare. DC gives a blood test. You pay a certain amount; wait three DC business days; and you have a choice of a civil or ecumenical ceremony.
The masjids there would not marry you unless you would bring proof of the blood test and civil ceremony.
Virginia was not as strict however they would not honor a religious ceremony unless you had proof of a civil service. This was 15 years ago. The explanation given to me was govermentimmitagtionwhateverittakestoirrateyouhogw ash. Gays had it easier for a union.

Asalaamalikum,

I live in Washington DC, I've read that it has the highest AIDS rate in the US of A!

muslim_4_life · 08-02-2007, 05:59 PM

blood test for what ?? who needs a blood test

MubarekMuslimah · 08-02-2007, 06:03 PM

Assalaamu alaikum evryone again

sorry I forgot to say salaams to evryone in my previous post

- just kind of surprised by this blood test thing! we certianly dont have that requirement here in the UK when you get married - if the couple want to do it then thats up to them.

I understand safeguarding of health but I am not sure its right Islamically to have this done as compulosry....don't know. Is it a legal requirement in the US for the Nikah to be recognised??

Aapa · 08-02-2007, 06:08 PM

Salaam,

What they do not publish is the number of people who have inadequate or no health insurance. This is a widely misrepresentative statictis aimed at the Black and Hispanic population. Also, Washington has had a reputation of being a gay town. Historically, it was a city that welcomed gay men and continues to. I sound sour but I have learned to question and research intensively. And we know the HIV virus was developed in a research lab in the suburbs of Maryland. It has nothing to do with sex.

Quratulaine · 08-02-2007, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mirajmom

And we know the HIV virus was developed in a research lab in the suburbs of Maryland. It has nothing to do with sex.

Where did you hear this? Is this true? How does HIV have nothing to do with sex if its an STD?

jabba · 08-02-2007, 09:11 PM

Deleted, because i can't say how I feel, I have to act like a robot around everyone, just to be liked. my feedback, like me won't be missed anyways

Aapa · 08-02-2007, 09:46 PM

Salaam,

There are videos available; I will have to dig up the sites. But on PBS programs and especially the Pacifica radio stations there have been very notworhy people who have answers.
I am not a physician. It could stand to reason that it was designed to attack the immune system via sex. It is not a true STD.
Allah forgive me.

Aapa · 08-02-2007, 10:00 PM

Salaam,

I read the post by Sister Jabba. That is the conventional line. We can not buy into this. Sister, it is a fact that AIDS was developed in a labatory. The people who assisted in the propaganda were promoted to hold high positions in places like the CDC in Atlanta.
Please research the archives of Pacifica radio.
These are the same people that blame Muslims for 911 and have told us that a man landed on the moon.

To return to the topic of the thread blood tests are not for simple reasons.

najbc · 08-02-2007, 10:23 PM

I wonder what happens if one of the couples has HIV OR AIDS or whatever. Will the result do some damage to marriage. Are there any couples that cancel their marriage because of the test result? It is funny, what is going through their mind when they are going to test place and if they know the affect it might have on future. to all the sisters and brothers on the web, what would you do if you find out the one you are going marry has a deadly disease and you really love and care about this person? I hope nothing like that happens to anyone.

ai-musa · 08-02-2007, 10:39 PM

why would you go for a blood test thats a bit out of line if your a religious person. if you do your istiqarah before you marry and put your trust in ALLAh no harm shall befall you no matter what happens. blood test isnt neccesery because it would mean that you dont trust the person your marriying then why should you do it. i live in london i dont nothing about america but i dont think people do tests here. to tell you the truth i've never see anyone who did a blood test before marrige in my 15 yrs of life.

shaheeda35 · 08-03-2007, 02:43 PM

Blood test are not 100% accurate, even if its negative, there is no gurantee you are free from something. We do have to be careful, but NOTHING is 100%. We do have dishonest people. They can have something, and not tell you. Most clinics in NYC give free hIV tests,and some do take advantage of it. If you have nothing to hide, then it should not be a problem in order to get married, depending where you are.But its a choice, Allah knows best!

Aapa · 08-03-2007, 08:19 PM

Salaam,

Sister the fundamental question that I have is why do we have to abide by the rules of the kuffir for our marriage ceromonies. Now, you have me thinking and next thing you know I will be at the headquarters of the ACLU. Please educate me.

nyerekareem · 08-04-2007, 01:29 AM

the reason we have blood tests is because if people have the same bllod typr there is a high risk of the child becoming retarded. therefore if your blood is the same the will not issue the license because they feel it's like intentionally making a child retarded. that's also why it is illegal in america to marry any relatives up through 3rd cousins. because if you marry your cousin your blood may be similar or the same and you put a child at risk for retardation.

Aapa · 08-04-2007, 02:00 AM

Salaam,

There is another procedure used to determine retardation. It involves the amino acids of the fetus. As far as retardation with closely genetically linked relatives...there is more evidence suggesting that is not true...I am the product of generations of Muslims marrying first cousins..No...if Allah has allowed it ..think...
the non-Islamic world came up with a lot of "science" and measurement..much of that is in doubt today. I have written about this in the past. There is philosphical debate about genetics even.
You help me to continue asking the question do we follow the Law of Allah or do we fall for non-Islamic judgement for our marriage rites.

nyerekareem · 08-04-2007, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mirajmom

Salaam,

There is another procedure used to determine retardation. It involves the amino acids of the fetus. As far as retardation with closely genetically linked relatives...there is more evidence suggesting that is not true...I am the product of generations of Muslims marrying first cousins..No...if Allah has allowed it ..think...
the non-Islamic world came up with a lot of "science" and measurement..much of that is in doubt today. I have written about this in the past. There is philosphical debate about genetics even.
You help me to continue asking the question do we follow the Law of Allah or do we fall for non-Islamic judgement for our marriage rites.

there are countless numbers of cases especially in the more rural parts of america where the people have been inbred for numerous generations and the rate of retardation is much higher due to it. i did not say that i agree that blood tests be done. but i was giving the reason as to why they are done. yes we are permitted to marry our first cousins. me personally i'll never be comfortable with marrying my first cousin, it wouldn't feel right to me. that's just me. but it cannot be denied that blood of certain types can increase the risks of retardation or learning disabilities. it doesn't mean that it's a given that it will happen.

MubarekMuslimah · 08-04-2007, 09:35 AM

Asslaamau alaikum brother nyekareem

Sorry I do not understand this as a possible reason for the blood tests before marrisgae. What you are talking about is not blood groups but DNA - genetics - and if two people closely related, i.e with too similar DNA have a child, there is a high risk of the child having some kind of disorder or illness or disability ( I dont think 'retarded' is a very acceptable word to use nowadays BTW)

But if this were the case - surely a couple when they went to get married would know if they were related to each other in some kind of way already?? the only way they would not know is if they lived in a village where cousin marriage etc happened alot and by some kind of connection they ended up being related and not knowing it - this is not likely to happen in a city

Plus the other thing I dont get is that even if a blood test showed up they had related DNA ( cousins or something) its no guarantee that they would have a child with a problem = many don't as we know. Its all the Will of Allah swt and He has allowed us to marry our first cousins so issues like DNA should not be our concern - if he gives the couple a healthy child alhamdulillah and if not - well then alhamdulillah for the child still and any problem they have is a test from Allah swt. I dont think trying to second guess Allah swt's will through inconclusive vblood tests is Islamic or accurate and I am not sure its the reason here as mentioned in the first post ( though of course if you know otherwise for sure please say and my apologies)

Forgive me I am coming at this from the UK angle where this is not heard of or a requirewment for marriage ( unless of course the couple choose to do it personally) so I am surprised there are mosques insisiting on this. Does anyone who goes to one of these mosques know the reason - ie have they spoken to the Imam about it?? Or is it just US Law in some States and its just something the mosques are being made to do??

Salaams