Report: over 5,000 Palestinians killed by the Israeli army since 2000

[sister harb]

Date: 21 / 02 / 2007 Time: 16:00


Bethlehem - Ma'an - Since the outbreak of the second Palestinian Intifada in September 2000, until late January 2007, the Israeli army has killed 5,050 Palestinian men, women and children, wounded 49,760 others and detained 10,4000 others, a report by the Palestinian Authority-run 'Palestinian State Information Service' has revealed.

The report, which was prepared by the Palestinian National Information Center, part of the PSIS, showed that 351 Palestinian women have been killed, 150 patients have died at checkpoints and 66 others have been killed due to beating by Israeli settlers. 36 medical staff have been killed, 9 members of the press, and 220 sportsmen.

According to the report, the number of Palestinians detained by the Israeli army authorities has risen to 10,400 including 553 detained prior to the outbreak of the Intifada.

Among the prisoners there have been 1,150 suffering from chronic diseases, 1,175 students, 330 under the age of 18, 106 teachers and 118 female prisoners.

In terms of damage to Palestinian public buildings, the report states that 645 civil and security installations have been damaged, 72,437 houses have been partially and completely damaged until July 31, 2006.

12 Palestinian schools and universities had been sealed off by the Israeli authorities up to August, 8, 2006. 359 schools had been shelled and 43 schools had been turned into military outposts, according to PSIS's data.

848 students and educational staff were also shot dead by the Israeli army during the reporting period and 4,792 were wounded.

As for Palestinian farmland, until July 31, 2006, the report states that 13,572,896 trees were uprooted, 784 stores demolished, 15,549 bee hives and 1,360 water wells destroyed, and 207 farmers' houses demolished.

Concerning unemployment, the report stated that 30.3 % of the Palestinian workforce has been unemployed, totaling some 288,300 persons, until September 30, 2006. At the same time, ISIS says the poverty rate across the occupied Palestinian territories has reached 70%, according to data gathered until the third quarter of 2006.

As for Israeli violations against journalists, the report recorded 1,147 attacks.

The report also recorded that the Israeli army has erected 5,001 checkpoints since October 1, 2001.

The report concluded that a total of 247,291 dunums of Palestinian-owned lands has been confiscated for the construction of the separation wall in the West Bank and east Jerusalem.

Source: http://www.maannews.net/en/index.php?opr=ShowDetails&ID=19746

[fabs]

.... So no Israelis have died?

[Globalpeace]

Fabs,

O! Did they forget to mention 2 Israeli soldiers who injured their toes while trying to kick Palestinians on the head!...Israeli Army should really do something about foot protection!; This is a serious Health & Safety Issue.

And I agree that this is unfair converage...I mean come on how did they miss out on injured toes...

About six months in Jenin they also failed to mention 3 Israeli who got dehydration while trying to bulldoze all those houses in hot Middle-East sun...

Man! Where is Fairness & Justice these days!

.... So no Israelis have died?

[fabs]

The answer is over 1000 Israelis have died. Many in cowardly suicide bombings on public buses killing women and children. Many in lone attacks on civilian houses. Yes and of course when the Israeli army responds, soldiers have died as well. The question is though, why don't these 'martyrs' attack military targets first and foremost?

[sister harb]

The answer is over 1000 Israelis have died. Many in cowardly suicide bombings on public buses killing women and children. Many in lone attacks on civilian houses. Yes and of course when the Israeli army responds, soldiers have died as well. The question is though, why don't these 'martyrs' attack military targets first and foremost?

The truth is than less than 500 hundred Isrealis have died on those martydom operations against zionists. Most of them have been soldiers or settlers whose are living in the illegal settlements in the occupied areas of Palestine occupied 1948 (Yes, every settlements in the West Bank are illegal by the International Laws).

You call martydom operations as cowardly operations? I would call real coward those whose are sitting in the tanks and kill Palestinian children by them. Shame on you...

[Globalpeace]

Fabs,

I am with you man; I agree. I have already said that Palestinian civilians should just lay low and die! I mean whats the point of all this?

Maybe they need more "19 year olds" from Brussels as advisors?

The answer is over 1000 Israelis have died. Many in cowardly suicide bombings on public buses killing women and children. Many in lone attacks on civilian houses. Yes and of course when the Israeli army responds, soldiers have died as well. The question is though, why don't these 'martyrs' attack military targets first and foremost?

[American Muslim]

fabs,
whatever they want to call it, it is war over there. Atrocities are always committed. I mentioned my position about Israel on a post a few days ago. I understand the Jews claim Palestine/Israel as their homeland. But what of the Arabs there? If the diaspora happened what, 1800 years ago, don't those arabs that have lived there for nearly two millenia have an equal or greater claim to that land?

As for the suicide bombings, I don't agree. Those who use those tactics say that these are all that are left to them to fight the Israelis. As a former soldier I will say that these are very effective, albeit loathsome, strategies. They are exactly like our fire bombings of Dresden in WWII, except in miniature.

Some of my sisters or brothers who know Qu'aran better than me, help me out here. Isn't there something in the Qu'aran about never killing a woman, a child, an old person, or cutting down a green tree?

[fabs]

fabs,
whatever they want to call it, it is war over there. Atrocities are always committed. I mentioned my position about Israel on a post a few days ago. I understand the Jews claim Palestine/Israel as their homeland. But what of the Arabs there? If the diaspora happened what, 1800 years ago, don't those arabs that have lived there for nearly two millenia have an equal or greater claim to that land?

As for the suicide bombings, I don't agree. Those who use those tactics say that these are all that are left to them to fight the Israelis. As a former soldier I will say that these are very effective, albeit loathsome, strategies. They are exactly like our fire bombings of Dresden in WWII, except in miniature.

Some of my sisters or brothers who know Qu'aran better than me, help me out here. Isn't there something in the Qu'aran about never killing a woman, a child, an old person, or cutting down a green tree?


Why can't European Muslims take an example from their American counterparts on moderation? Fair enough, suicide bombing is effective insofar as it causes terror among the general population. People that praise this however are blind to human values. Yes the Israeli army does kill civilians from time to time in operations, but they don't expressly target civilians the way these groups do.

[fabs]

The truth is than less than 500 hundred Isrealis have died on those martydom operations against zionists. Most of them have been soldiers or settlers whose are living in the illegal settlements in the occupied areas of Palestine occupied 1948 (Yes, every settlements in the West Bank are illegal by the International Laws).

You call martydom operations as cowardly operations? I would call real coward those whose are sitting in the tanks and kill Palestinian children by them. Shame on you...

'Martyrdom operations'? You make me sick. Perhaps you'd like someone to climb into the bus you take on a regular basis and kill you along with other innocent people.
No, the victims have been young people lining up to enter a disco in Tel Aviv, not Zionists, commuting passengers, not Zionists, children heading to school, not Zionists, shoppers in a mall, not Zionists. The list can go on and on...

Here are some examples if you dare look:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hamas_suicide_attacks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_Islamic_Jihad_suicide_attacks

How 'Islamic' are such attacks would you tell me please?

[sister harb]

By the international law (by so-called western democracy); occupation and its crimes are illegal and military resistance against this occupation is legal. Those 5000 were civilians BY INTERNATIONAL LAW! Whose murdered them were heavy armed soldiers supported by the USA.

Shame on you if you support those butchers.

[sister harb]

And about Wikipedia... it is fully zionist owned media organization, telling you full dis-information. Don´t trust it too much...

[oumyaquine]

:salam2: Who are you ? were are you from ?are you too blind to see?I cannot believe that there is people blind enough to talk like that.Who are you to judge what is happening in this land,?:angryblue: Why can't European Muslims take an example from their American counterparts on moderation? Fair enough, suicide bombing is effective insofar as it causes terror among the general population. People that praise this however are blind to human values. Yes the Israeli army does kill civilians from time to time in operations, but they don't expressly target civilians the way these groups do.

[fabs]

By the international law (by so-called western democracy); occupation and its crimes are illegal and military resistance against this occupation is legal. Those 5000 were civilians BY INTERNATIONAL LAW! Whose murdered them were heavy armed soldiers supported by the USA.

Shame on you if you support those butchers.



I expect you didn't check the links I gave. I didn't expect any better...
So they kill some of our civilians so lets kill some of theirs? How is an end in sight with logic such as this. Still my argument is, ISraelis don't target the innocent civilians, the terrorist groups do.
By International Law, violent attacks against a sovereign state, especially by a non-state entity, are illegal. Attacks against innocent civilians are certainly illegal in anyone's book.
Quite frankly when I see what Israel is up against, I'm glad the US ships it weapons. How else to fight against those that hide among civilians? Against those that hold up in churches(example: Church of the Nativity)?

[fabs]

And about Wikipedia... it is fully zionist owned media organization, telling you full dis-information. Don´t trust it too much...

Yes everything is owned by the Zionists! This site too is owned by the Zionists I'm sure. I'm sure there were no suicide bombings, and it was all made up.
I'm sure there really are no empty chairs at families' dinner tables....

[oumyaquine]

SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fabs]

:salam2: Who are you ? were are you from ?are you too blind to see?I cannot believe that there is people blind enough to talk like that.Who are you to judge what is happening in this land,?:angryblue:

Excuse me if I decide not to give you my address, but I live much closer to you than you think.

[junaid hasan]

do you know brother what is the character of a pig?

a pig want to live in a dirty place.

if you will give a pig good food , he will dislike it.

if you bring a pig in a garten , he will not go to flowers, he will go to the most dirtiest place of that garden.

sooo my dear brother and sister why dont you leave alone my brother fabs to tell his opinion and let him also accept whatever he wants.

for him 5000 people dont have any value but those 1000 jews are valuble for him as like his family member or more then a diamond.

[fabs]

do you know brother what is the character of a pig?

a pig want to live in a dirty place.

if you will give a pig good food , he will dislike it.

if you bring a pig in a garten , he will not go to flowers, he will go to the most dirtiest place of that garden.

sooo my dear brother and sister why dont you leave alone my brother fabs to tell his opinion and let him also accept whatever he wants.

for him 5000 people dont have any value but those 1000 jews are valuble for him as like his family member or more then a diamond.

Don't put words in my mouth, the other 5000 are human beings that died in the conflict and they had every bit a right to live as well.
But the 1000 Israelis weren't even mentioned by the person that started the thread, so I mentioned them, thats all.

[junaid hasan]

Don't put words in my mouth, the other 5000 are human beings that died in the conflict and they had every bit a right to live as well.
But the 1000 Israelis weren't even mentioned by the person that started the thread, so I mentioned them, thats all.


there are enough people like you to mention about those 1000 people or isnt it?

[sister harb]

sooo my dear brother and sister why dont you leave alone my brother fabs to tell his opinion and let him also accept whatever he wants.

for him 5000 people dont have any value but those 1000 jews are valuble for him as like his family member or more then a diamond.

Salaam alaykum

I agree with you but people like him never be quiet and will tell their opinions to the rest of the world who might to listen them and believe they words are true.

so...
Yes everything is owned by the Zionists! This site too is owned by the Zionists I'm sure....


So, why an earth you will send here kind of crab from the butchers of children? Killers and rapers of women? Persons whose torture men in prisons?

Do you think those 5000 were not human too? :SMILY286: They all were fathers, mothers, sisters, brothers...

:SMILY286:

[fabs]

Salaam alaykum

I agree with you but people like him never be quiet and will tell their opinions to the rest of the world who might to listen them and believe they words are true.

so...



So, why an earth you will send here kind of crab from the butchers of children? Killers and rapers of women? Persons whose torture men in prisons?

Do you think those 5000 were not human too? :SMILY286: They all were fathers, mothers, sisters, brothers...

:SMILY286:

As for your prejudices against the Israelis, of whom you have probably never met even one, I can say honestly I pity you.

I explained what I thought about the 5000, if you were to read my post above.


Toodles :blackhijab:

[sister harb]

As for your prejudices against the Israelis, of whom you have probably never met even one, I can say honestly I pity you.


Interesting... if I report how many innocent civilians ZIONISTS have murdered... you then talk about Isrealis... maybe next Jews? After this I will be anti-semitist?

[Globalpeace]

Fabs,

Isn't that a tragedy that she has such hostile feelings towards Israel? What a pity!

I mean read the following article from a US journalist about massacre & stuff (He is sooo mistaken);

http://www.deiryassin.org/mh2001.html

Then read WIKIPEDIA and you find that all the Israelis did was just to clear the road

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Nachshon

As for your prejudices against the Israelis, of whom you have probably never met even one, I can say honestly I pity you.

I explained what I thought about the 5000, if you were to read my post above.


Toodles :blackhijab:

[Abdul-Raheem]

Why is it that whenever a muslim or non-muslim states that they are against the war crimes, illegal occupation and the countless other atrocities carried out by the Israeli government, they are accused of being anti-Semitic? Israel blatantly breaches UN resolutions and other international laws yet nothing is done. When it comes to other countries however, they are threatened with sanctions and even war. What a just and fair world we live in.

[fabs]

Why is it that whenever a muslim or non-muslim states that they are against the war crimes, illegal occupation and the countless other atrocities carried out by the Israeli government, they are accused of being anti-Semitic? Israel blatantly breaches UN resolutions and other international laws yet nothing is done. When it comes to other countries however, they are threatened with sanctions and even war. What a just and fair world we live in.

Yes, well European countries do that all the time without being branded anti-Semitic. Of course criticism of Israel isn't Anti-Semitism.
Well Israel is lucky to have its grand protector the USA to stop it from being sanctioned into poverty.

[sister harb]

Well Israel is lucky to have its grand protector the USA to stop it from being sanctioned into poverty.

Sanctioned into poverty when Palestinian are almost into humanitarian catastrophy in cause of siege of zionists...

Isreal is very lucky having its protector the USA whose giving herself more illegal weapons to kill more Palestinian and Lebanese civilians. Have you all already forgot the DIME- weapons they used against civilians in Gaza last year?

[oumyaquine]

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[junaid hasan]

Sanctioned into poverty when Palestinian are almost into humanitarian catastrophy in cause of siege of zionists...

Isreal is very lucky having its protector the USA whose giving herself more illegal weapons to kill more Palestinian and Lebanese civilians. Have you all already forgot the DIME- weapons they used against civilians in Gaza last year?

i think brother fabs has never heard about the DIME weapon.

[sister harb]

About DIME: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/dime.htm

[fabs]

Sanctioned into poverty when Palestinian are almost into humanitarian catastrophy in cause of siege of zionists...

Isreal is very lucky having its protector the USA whose giving herself more illegal weapons to kill more Palestinian and Lebanese civilians. Have you all already forgot the DIME- weapons they used against civilians in Gaza last year?

Why would the Israelis purposely kill civilians? What purpose does that fulfill?

Maybe if certain groups in Lebanon and Gaza hadn't attacked and kidnapped soldiers, it wouldn't have that far. Hizbullah had no business getting involved for instance, they brought destruction to Lebanon.

[Abdul-Raheem]

I'm not justifying the actions of hizbollah, but does it sound logical to bomb an entire country for two missing soldiers?

[alibaba]

As for your prejudices against the Israelis, of whom you have probably never met even one, I can say honestly I pity you.

I explained what I thought about the 5000, if you were to read my post above.


Toodles :blackhijab:

I hate it when people assume they know something or something about someone when they dont and still dare to try and say they know! Listen fabs you so seem to know a great deal about everything in the middle east dont you? I see you are trying to mention human beings, first I hope you know that in Israel after a certain age they are required to join the military or do some type of training, therefore they are military, second read up on your news. I mean real news, not CNN or other kind or crap like that, you will find the Israeli army is instructed to target civilians. But not in those words, Palestinian civilians are most often described as terrorist even at the age of 10 yrs old and below, therefore under the Israeli and "anti-terror" they are targets. When was the last time a western news source said how many Palestinians were killed that day? I pity you, not trying to get into a fight, but your anti-antisemitism is getting to me

[junaid hasan]

Hizbullah had no business getting involved for instance, they brought destruction to Lebanon.

dont you think what you say is ironic'?

[fabs]

I hate it when people assume they know something or something about someone when they dont and still dare to try and say they know! Listen fabs you so seem to know a great deal about everything in the middle east dont you? I see you are trying to mention human beings, first I hope you know that in Israel after a certain age they are required to join the military or do some type of training, therefore they are military, second read up on your news. I mean real news, not CNN or other kind or crap like that, you will find the Israeli army is instructed to target civilians. But not in those words, Palestinian civilians are most often described as terrorist even at the age of 10 yrs old and below, therefore under the Israeli and "anti-terror" they are targets. When was the last time a western news source said how many Palestinians were killed that day? I pity you, not trying to get into a fight, but your anti-antisemitism is getting to me

Yes Israelis do up to 4 years of military service. So thats an excuse to kill the women and children then? In Switzerland and Denmark they have the same thing, does that mean its lawful of I have a problem with their government to kill their people?
Really, give me source that says the Israelis are instructed to target civilians.
There is something known as the Rules of Engagement which soldiers have to act by. If you ever watched a Western source I'm sure you'd know. Just because your sources like to bloat the figures doesn't mean the Western world is misinformed. Anti-Semitism? I suppose thats a joke.

[fabs]

I'm not justifying the actions of hizbollah, but does it sound logical to bomb an entire country for two missing soldiers?

Hmm... that's always been the debate. The question to ask is, what would you have done? If someone comes, slaps you in the face, and kidnaps a loved one, you're not just going to sit there...
Look its unfortunate so many Lebanese who had nothing to do with it died. I keep in mind they weren't targeted on purpose and that Hizbullah fighters hid in civilian areas (ex: Beirut). I think most would agree that they shouldn't have gotten involved in the first place.

[junaid hasan]

Yes Israelis do up to 4 years of military service. So thats an excuse to kill the women and children then? In Switzerland and Denmark they have the same thing, does that mean its lawful of I have a problem with their government to kill their people?
Really, give me source that says the Israelis are instructed to target civilians.
There is something known as the Rules of Engagement which soldiers have to act by. If you ever watched a Western source I'm sure you'd know. Just because your sources like to bloat the figures doesn't mean the Western world is misinformed. Anti-Semitism? I suppose thats a joke.

brother go and live with your family in palestine.

if you lost your parents by the attack of israiely soldiers then you will be able to understand it.

[fabs]

brother go and live with your family in palestine.

if you lost your parents by the attack of israiely soldiers then you will be able to understand it.

I'll give you that point. Perhaps if I lived in a Palestinian family bombed out I'd be equally angry. But if I lived in the north of Israel with rockets constantly landing,
I wouldn't like that either.
If anyone claims I'm anti-Palestinian they can go and take a hike. I feel sympathy towards, I do not however feel any sympathy towards the certain terrorist groups that make peace harder and kill innocents in the process.
It's almost as if they believe that one day, Israel is going to pack up and then leave and give them all of Palestine.

[palestine_heart3]

Assalamoalaikum,

I only joined this forum to comment of sorts this thread. Subhana Allah.

How much of your history do you really know about? or what the Israelis do on a daily basis to the children for kicks and giggles and you protect them? The IOF are more of a terrorist group than Hamas or Fateh. the difference is the USA pays for IOF to kill. I think it is also ironic that a 16 yr is convicted twice for terrorism by means of throwing a rock but a zionist can bulldoze over an infant and is commended for doing his part in the anti terrorist campaign. just sick. subhana Allah

fee amaan Allah all muslims
waalaikum assalam
sister fatemah

[fabs]

Assalamoalaikum,

I only joined this forum to comment of sorts this thread. Subhana Allah.

How much of your history do you really know about? or what the Israelis do on a daily basis to the children for kicks and giggles and you protect them? The IOF are more of a terrorist group than Hamas or Fateh. the difference is the USA pays for IOF to kill. I think it is also ironic that a 16 yr is convicted twice for terrorism by means of throwing a rock but a zionist can bulldoze over an infant and is commended for doing his part in the anti terrorist campaign. just sick. subhana Allah

fee amaan Allah all muslims
waalaikum assalam
sister fatemah

Are you basing this this on personal experience? Or on rumour?
Or maybe you saw a couple of movies showing the exception rather than the rule.
The USA does not pay to kill, they pay to defend. After all there wouldn't be an Israel at all now without some foreign help and the Jews would have been driven into the sea.
I ask the question: Why was he throwing the rock? What was he doing but trying to harm someone else? What difference could he have made by throwing that rock when everyone knows the Israelis have more than rocks to fire back? Just provocation. Perhaps his parents should have kept him at home.
Bulldoze over an infant.... There's soemthing known as evacuation before demolition. Unless the mother forgot her child inside and didn't tell anyone, it seems improbable.

[Abdul-Raheem]

Hmm... that's always been the debate. The question to ask is, what would you have done? If someone comes, slaps you in the face, and kidnaps a loved one, you're not just going to sit there...

What would I have done? Well, I definitely wouldn't have obliterated an entire country!

I'll give you that point. Perhaps if I lived in a Palestinian family bombed out I'd be equally angry.

Huh! Bombed out by who??? Couldn't be Israel by any chance could it?

Look its unfortunate so many Lebanese who had nothing to do with it died.

When innocent people are murdered, it's 'unfortunate', but when Israeli's are on the recieving end it's terrorism.

[TheHumbleWun]

Fab:

What do you want here? what is your purpose? In every thread you make debates and you say you want to learn about Islam, apparently you have been just debating. I honestly believe, that you don't not read people's comments and you just keep on debating. I think the Administrators need to take some initiative here.

Can you not see that everyone in here is telling you that your views are bias and not correct. If you don't believe it is bias and you feel it is correct then this isn't the place to learn about Islam, because you and I and everyone else will agree to disagree with you.

Maybe this isn't a good place to start for you to learn about Islam. Try picking some literature and books then once you have the knowledge start understanding the Muslims view.

[sister harb]

Maybe if certain groups in Lebanon and Gaza hadn't attacked and kidnapped soldiers, it wouldn't have that far. Hizbullah had no business getting involved for instance, they brought destruction to Lebanon.

Palestinians have captured 1 zionist soldier while zionists have kidnapped 10 400 Palestinian civilians mostly from they own homes or from the streets. Can´t you really see difference? 1 soldier by military operaton = 10 400 unarmed civilians? Kind of blindness?

[palestine_heart3]

Are you basing this this on personal experience? Or on rumour?
Or maybe you saw a couple of movies showing the exception rather than the rule.
The USA does not pay to kill, they pay to defend. After all there wouldn't be an Israel at all now without some foreign help and the Jews would have been driven into the sea.
I ask the question: Why was he throwing the rock? What was he doing but trying to harm someone else? What difference could he have made by throwing that rock when everyone knows the Israelis have more than rocks to fire back? Just provocation. Perhaps his parents should have kept him at home.
Bulldoze over an infant.... There's soemthing known as evacuation before demolition. Unless the mother forgot her child inside and didn't tell anyone, it seems improbable.

Assalamoalaikum,

As I said, and you confirmed, the usa supplies the zionists with the means to kill not defend, how can it be defense? By international Law this occupation is illegal in all aspects. The child i was mentioning was under the age of 2 and run over by a bulldozer the mother was shot and the baby dropped from her arms and they kept going, you maybe are not from where you talk so ignorantly about. But this is a place to learn so maybe you take a few days to read up on what you preach about and get the real facts. The settlers and zionists are illeagally taking the homes and lands of the Palestinians and call it justified. Sanctions on food and medical attention is inhuman period. and the young boys throwing rocks are DEFENDING their homes and families from the occupiers, these are children none the less not highly trained militant fighters. Just to make clear my place I do support the Resistance to the occupational forces.

I have seen more than my share of dead babies and mangled woman to last any one person a million life times, so dont make light my work.

fee amaan Allah all muslims
waalaikum assalam
sister fatemah

[fabs]

Palestinians have captured 1 zionist soldier while zionists have kidnapped 10 400 Palestinian civilians mostly from they own homes or from the streets. Can´t you really see difference? 1 soldier by military operaton = 10 400 unarmed civilians? Kind of blindness?

Zionist... The typical propaganda term. It's not kidnap, it's an arrest...
I see the suicide bomb attacks and understand why Israel has to take the decision to detain(better than murdering them) certain people when it deems it necessary.

[fabs]

Fab:

What do you want here? what is your purpose? In every thread you make debates and you say you want to learn about Islam, apparently you have been just debating. I honestly believe, that you don't not read people's comments and you just keep on debating. I think the Administrators need to take some initiative here.



I've followed the rules here and now your suggesting because you don't agree with what I say I should be kicked off the forum.
It seems that you don't understand the principles of an open forum...
I've been making debates? Just me? I say something, somebody disagrees,
so I answer back what I think.

[ibn azem]

Are you basing this this on personal experience? Or on rumour?
Or maybe you saw a couple of movies showing the exception rather than the rule.
The USA does not pay to kill, they pay to defend. After all there wouldn't be an Israel at all now without some foreign help and the Jews would have been driven into the sea.
I ask the question: Why was he throwing the rock? What was he doing but trying to harm someone else? What difference could he have made by throwing that rock when everyone knows the Israelis have more than rocks to fire back? Just provocation. Perhaps his parents should have kept him at home.
Bulldoze over an infant.... There's soemthing known as evacuation before demolition. Unless the mother forgot her child inside and didn't tell anyone, it seems improbable.

Fabs,

I urge to think your comments before you type them along here,

You are sitting there on front of your computer and make your opinions and say things without thinking and even caring as it seems. These are real people living these things on everyday basis!

It is easy for you to say "rules of engagement" and "evacuation before demolition" from your warm seat! These people are being driven out of their own homes and their homes are being demolished, and where are they to go, they lived there their whole life. And if that was just the whole story of it!

Tell me how would that feel if if someone came around your home (if you have one) and just demolishes what you and your father have spent their entire life on building and throw you on the street, from your very own home?!

So please, that shows you don't care about them anyway, and say things because you just can, without thinking. Because this is not a movie you are watching on your screen and then give your comment!

[sister harb]

Zionist... The typical propaganda term. It's not kidnap, it's an arrest...
I see the suicide bomb attacks and understand why Israel has to take the decision to detain(better than murdering them) certain people when it deems it necessary.

I wonder why you really see only "suicide bomb attack"? Why not you see those babies shot by head by zionist bullets made in the USA? Or those teenagers in the prison whose have to sign something they haven´t done after beating them for hours? Don´t see those tortured prisons? Don´t see this new for example:

Legal society appeals for saving life of ailing captive

[ 21/02/2007 - 05:58 PM ]




AL-KHALIL, (PIC)-- The Palestinian prisoner's club in Al-Khalil has urged the Red Cross among other concerned international organizations to save the life of the Palestinian prisoner Adel Al-Za'tari, who is held in Israeli occupation jails.

Director of the club in Al-Khalil city Amjad Al-Najjar said on Wednesday that Za'tari was suffering from acute iron deficiency, problems in the back and spinal cord in addition to three injures in his feet and abdomen.

Za'tari, who has been held in the Israeli Nafha desert prison for two years now, also suffers form weakness in the left eye and shrapnel in his body sustained during his arrest, the director elaborated.

He said that the captive, who is serving a ten-year imprisonment term, is the victim of deliberate medical neglect on the part of the Israeli prisons authority that did not extend necessary treatment to him.

Amjad appealed to the local and international legal and humanitarian institutions to intervene with the IOA and demand his immediate release in order to save his life.

http://www.palestine-info.com/en/default.aspx?xyz=U6Qq7k%2bcOd87MDI46m9rUxJEpMO%2bi 1s7g33dYU36F%2bJihs6s9fpKHYXyL8arDIt9HRIrtXzhIstyD mqTXtkxAT%2fvnfo1SN3errVRRlC6HUWqzzpp40gj4upp2unKl 0VgiiR4vsZw930%3d

They asked to safe a life of him. Are you totally blind?

[ibn azem]

I've followed the rules here and now your suggesting because you don't agree with what I say I should be kicked off the forum.
It seems that you don't understand the principles of an open forum...
I've been making debates? Just me? I say something, somebody disagrees,
so I answer back what I think.
Well that's not quite correct Fabs,

I have to inform you that this is not a free speech site!

If you come to inform yourself about Islam, then we are quite happy to provide you with answers. You analize them, question them, and in the end it is up to you to take them or leave them but this is definitely not a debating forum! So do not exaggarate please!

[fabs]

Fabs,

I urge to think your comments before you type them along here,

You are sitting there on front of your computer and make your opinions and say things without thinking and even caring as it seems. These are real people living these things on everyday basis!

It is easy for you to say "rules of engagement" and "evacuation before demolition" from your warm seat! These people are being driven out of their own homes and their homes are being demolished, and where are they to go, they lived there their whole life. And if that was just the whole story of it!

Tell me how would that feel if if someone came around your home (if you have one) and just demolishes what you and your father have spent their entire life on building and throw you on the street, from your very own home?!

So please, that shows you don't care about them anyway, and say things because you just can, without thinking. Because this is not a movie you are watching on your screen and then give your comment!


Naturally I'd be thrilled. Generally the houses demolished belonged to relatives of suicide bombers: 'if your an accomplice to such an attack your going to pay for it' should be the message.
I'll turn the question around and ask the same thing to people that support 'martyrdom operations'. How would they feel to be on one of those buses?

I'll also add that no-one here lives in Palestine so they are as much in front of their 'computer screens' as I am. At the mercy of their biased media and anti-semitic views.

Read my other posts before suggesting that I don't care about those people. You as the Moderator should have it in your power to do that.

[fabs]

I wonder why you really see only "suicide bomb attack"? Why not you see those babies shot by head by zionist bullets made in the USA? Or those teenagers in the prison whose have to sign something they haven´t done after beating them for hours? Don´t see those tortured prisons? Don´t see this new for example:



They asked to safe a life of him. Are you totally blind?

You keep coming up with these banal examples of supposed Israeli atrocities. I ask you: Where's the proof? Give me a source, not just something you like to dream up to bring a rhetorical advantage to your argument.

Your report, at worst just shows neglect, not maliciousness.
I'm kept asking if I'm blind. The answer is no, I ACTUALLY see things, check up on things, even more than you...

[sister harb]

Naturally I'd be thrilled. Generally the houses demolished belonged to relatives of suicide bombers: 'if your an accomplice to such an attack your going to pay for it' should be the message.


You don´t understand the whole picture. What if Palestine (or any other land would be that where you would been born and now under occupation)? They don´t make "attacks they have to pay" but they protect they own rights to live. International laws give right for them even the armed resistance. Occupation is illegal and internional community has to condemn it; armed resistance is legal by the Gevena Convention for example.

Israel is terrorist, not Palestinians whose just use they legal rights.

[ibn azem]

I'll also add that no-one here lives in Palestine so they are as much in front of their 'computer screens' as I am. At the mercy of their biased media and anti-semitic views.How do you know that?! There is indeed many people here from Palestine, what are you talking about?


Read my other posts before suggesting that I don't care about those people. You as the Moderator should have it in your power to do that.
I am sorry but I am not here to follow your posts, you are not the only one here on this forum.

I am here for the sake of Allah only as I don't earn any earthly profit from this.

So here I am to try and help out for the good, are you willing to do the same?! Then think, before you just write!

[junaid hasan]

if a report is right but your logic said that its not good or wrong then you think that all those reports are bad.

and all those things which is not correct but your logic said that its correct, then you mean that you also know the best. acctually you have always right whatever you say acording to your logic.

there was none a comment whích you agree with other brother or sisters by your self.

anyway we are not here to know about your thinking.

[Abdul-Raheem]

AAAAHHH! This is crazy:angryred: Like a game of never ending ping-pong. The arguments go to and thro without making the slightest bit of difference. Everyone has the right to their own opinion so lets just leave it at that.

[fabs]

How do you know that?! There is indeed many people here from Palestine, what are you talking about?


I am sorry but I am not here to follow your posts, you are not the only one here on this forum.

I am here for the sake of Allah only as I don't earn any earthly profit from this.

So here I am to try and help out for the good, are you willing to do the same?! Then think, before you just write!

The people in the conversation were not from Palestine. I'll admit I'd respect a Palestinian in the debate more than someone that just hears the bias in the Arab media and takes it for granted.

I'm not trying to attack the Moderator, I'm sure your job isn't easy, but I don't like getting singled out either.

[sister harb]

...someone that just hears the bias in the Arab media and takes it for granted.


Arab media? All of my information comes from media sources of Hamas. Quite good? But oh no, then you will tell they are just as propaganda?

:SMILY209:

[ibn azem]

The people in the conversation were not from Palestine. I'll admit I'd respect a Palestinian in the debate more than someone that just hears the bias in the Arab media and takes it for granted.

I'm not trying to attack the Moderator, I'm sure your job isn't easy, but I don't like getting singled out either.
Well if that is the case then it shows that my assumtions are also true, what difference does it make if there is a palestinian involved here in the discussion when it's about palestinians that we are talking?! So you just wouldn't be as unkind as you would be when there are no palestinians present?! :astag:

And you're not being singled out, on the contrary, you are being tolerated so much just because you are not a muslim! If there was a muslim as stubborn and as you are here, and even disrespectful in some cases, he'd get the last warning long time ago!

[junaid hasan]

Arab media? All of my information comes from media sources of Hamas. Quite good? But oh no, then you will tell they are just as propaganda?

:SMILY209:



i think mr.fabian try to give us a suggestion to hear and believe whatever he knows is correct, and whatever the speacker of white house says is correct and all other media is propaganda.
heheh do you know sister harb what is the charecter of a mad man?
he think that whole world is mad except he.

[fabs]

Arab media? All of my information comes from media sources of Hamas. Quite good? But oh no, then you will tell they are just as propaganda?

:SMILY209:

Either you're joking or, as your logo suggests, you do get your info from Hamas.
To credit a terrorist group like Hamas with anything more than propaganda would be extreme in itself. I hope one day that that force of destruction will cease to exist.

[fabs]

Well if that is the case then it shows that my assumtions are also true, what difference does it make if there is a palestinian involved here in the discussion when it's about palestinians that we are talking?! So you just wouldn't be as unkind as you would be when there are no palestinians present?! :astag:

And you're not being singled out, on the contrary, you are being tolerated so much just because you are not a muslim! If there was a muslim as stubborn and as you are here, and even disrespectful in some cases, he'd get the last warning long time ago!

Fair enough. If I were a Muslim I probably wouldn't be criticizing the matters of faith anyway.

[ibn azem]

Fair enough. If I were a Muslim I probably wouldn't be criticizing the matters of faith anyway.

Are we discussion faith here?!

What you got yourself into here has got no-thing to do with the faith (and I told you at your early time here, because I felt it).

[sister harb]

Are we discussion faith here?!

I still think that the basic of this discussion is quite clear fact: "5,000 Palestinians killed by the Israeli army since 2000", not a faith.

[fabs]

Please show respect! read the rules!

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1510#post1510

[khalid123456]

In The Name of Allah Most Merciful, Most Compassionate, Most Beneficent, Most Gracious, Most Genourous, Most Loving, Most Forgiving, All Strong, All Wise, Most High, Most Exalted, Supremely High and Majestic, Owner of the Kingdom, Lord of all the Worlds, The One (Alone, Single, Unique Diety), All Hearing, All Knowing, All Seeing, All Encompassing, The Just, The Judge and the Attributes of our Creater are Endless - (ALLAH HU AKBAR - ALLAH IS THE GREATEST)

I BEAR WITNESS AND I TESTIFY THAT THERE IS NONE WORTHY OF WORSHIP EXEPCT ALLAH (ALONE) (ONE, ALONE, SINGLE, UNIQUE DIETY, CREATER, MAKER AND GIVER OF FORM OF EVERYTHING

AND

MOHAMMED (S.A.W) (MAY ALLAH SEND PEACE AND BLESSINGS ON HIM FOR EVER ON HIS FAMILY, HIS COMPANIONS AND ALL THOSE THAT FOLLOW HIS WAY) IS THE TRUE AND FINAL PROPHET AND MESSENGER TO THE WHOLE OF MANKIND.
NOTHING IS HIDDEN FROM ALLAH - AND EVERYTHING WILL BE ACCOUNTED FOR ON THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT - SO FABS THINK 100 TIMES BEFORE YOU EVEN THINK OF WRITING SOMETHING THAT IS OBVIOUS AS LIES.

YOU KNOW I KNOW AND THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS THE TRUTH REGARDING ISRAEL AND AMERICA AND WHAT TYPE OF COUNTRIES THERE ARE SO BEFORE YOU WRITE ANY MORE LIES REMEMBER ALMIGHTY ALLAH IS WATCHING YOU AND THE ANGELS ARE MAKING NOTES OF ALL YOUR IDEAS, FEELINGS, THOUGHS, WORDS, FORUMS ANYTHING OR ANY ACT YOU DO IS GETTING RECORDED AND THE SAME GOES FOR ALL THE PEOPLE THAT CARRY OUT THESES SHAMLESS ACTS.

ONE DAY THEY WILL STAND IN FRONT OF ALLAH OUR CREATOR AND ALLAH WILL JUDGE US SOOOOOO PLEASE DON'T INVENT LIES HAVE FEAR FOR YOUR SOUL.

FOR THE SUCCESS OF THIS LIFE AND THE HEREAFTER:
SUBMIT TO ALLAH (ALONE)
FEAR ALLAH (ALONE)
LOVE ALLAH (ALONE)
OBEY ALLAH (ALONE)
WORSHIP ALLAH (ALONE)

AND FOLLOW THE LIFE OF OUR BELOWED PROPHET MOHAMMED )MAY ALLAH SEND PEACE AND BLESSINGS FOR ALL ETERNITY ON HIM, FAMIL, COMPANIONS AND HIS FOLLOWERS.

ISLAM IS THE TRUE AND FINAL RELIGION FROM ALLAH
ISLAM IS THE ONLY ACCPETED RELIGION NOW
QURAN IS THE LAST DEVINE REVALATION TO THE WHOLE OF MANKIND
SUNNAH IS THE WAY OF LIFE OF PROPHET MOHAMMED (P.B.U.H)

[Ahmed_2000]

MR FABs

Listen and Think about what i am sayin. Palestinians Who have lost their Homes have nowhere to go. and people who have lost thier Guardians(Parents and Elder Brother and Sister) they have turned Orpans. And ya In Islam We Condemn Suicide Bombing if it is done to Women and Children.But the fact is thses Palestinians have no Militiary Protection. what do you expect then arent they going to defend thmselves from occupation of israilies. Sucide bombing is actually their last option .The People you call Terrorist are actually the only Resistence standing Between Palestine and Israili Militiary. You can rest easy because atleast if your Country is being Occupied by Someone Atleast you have Militiary to protect you.

And if you think we Muslims are being Biased, Because Thanks to CNN , Which is Owned By Jews company - The Times Warner -. They will not tell you the truth.

I Recommend you Watch these Three Documentries

Palestine is still the Issue by John Pilger

Stealing a Nation - A Special Report by John Pilger

BBC - The Killing Zone

and ya Staeling a nation is a documentry in which USA and British Govt took over a island Named Diego Garcia , And had built a Air Base , from which they attacked Afghanistan.



The Palestine and israili conflict is not awar its occupation, because war is between Two Country Millitiary Soldiers. And there is only Israil who has militiary and palestine just has so Called Terrorist Oransiation. which is the only Resistence. and thats why these organisation are named terrorist Groups, Because if they are Eliminated then there will be no resistence between Israil and Palestine. and ya Israil dont care about anyone. the three documentries that i mentioned are a must watch to know what i just said.

And please dont come back to this forum unless you hav watched this documentries. because what you are talking is very biased through media like CNN which is owned by jews and offcourse they wont tell you what they are doing in palestine. its like if there is robber going to rob a store he wont tell you that he is going to rob the store.

Thank you , I hope you have read this and not skipped this reply.

[Ahmed_2000]

SalaamAlaaikum

Everyone has Thier Opinions and Decissions , so we end this thread here.

Live in peace and harmony.

Salaam Allaikum

[virtualeye]

Here it is:


http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8329


Bye

[BlueFish]

To anyone who might see the end of this thread,:SMILY32: :SMILY23:
I cant beleive that i read 80 to 90percent of this thread, but as i read more and more i happened to remember something i heard before. I was told what the meaning of "insanity" was, and that it is when someone, or people, or anything for this matter, does the same thing over and over and over, but expects different results. (I was living in a disfunctional step family when i found this meaning to be true.) Thank you.
Praise be to Allah!
:inshallah: Peace!

[fabs]

MR FABs

Listen and Think about what i am sayin. Palestinians Who have lost their Homes have nowhere to go. and people who have lost thier Guardians(Parents and Elder Brother and Sister) they have turned Orpans. And ya In Islam We Condemn Suicide Bombing if it is done to Women and Children.But the fact is thses Palestinians have no Militiary Protection. what do you expect then arent they going to defend thmselves from occupation of israilies. Sucide bombing is actually their last option .The People you call Terrorist are actually the only Resistence standing Between Palestine and Israili Militiary. You can rest easy because atleast if your Country is being Occupied by Someone Atleast you have Militiary to protect you.

And if you think we Muslims are being Biased, Because Thanks to CNN , Which is Owned By Jews company - The Times Warner -. They will not tell you the truth.

I Recommend you Watch these Three Documentries

Palestine is still the Issue by John Pilger

Stealing a Nation - A Special Report by John Pilger

BBC - The Killing Zone

and ya Staeling a nation is a documentry in which USA and British Govt took over a island Named Diego Garcia , And had built a Air Base , from which they attacked Afghanistan.



The Palestine and israili conflict is not awar its occupation, because war is between Two Country Millitiary Soldiers. And there is only Israil who has militiary and palestine just has so Called Terrorist Oransiation. which is the only Resistence. and thats why these organisation are named terrorist Groups, Because if they are Eliminated then there will be no resistence between Israil and Palestine. and ya Israil dont care about anyone. the three documentries that i mentioned are a must watch to know what i just said.

And please dont come back to this forum unless you hav watched this documentries. because what you are talking is very biased through media like CNN which is owned by jews and offcourse they wont tell you what they are doing in palestine. its like if there is robber going to rob a store he wont tell you that he is going to rob the store.

Thank you , I hope you have read this and not skipped this reply.


I don't skip replies thank you, thats another insult right there. How else am I to reply coherently?
Yes again blame it on the media.... I don't have any free will I just steal all my facts from the media. I don't really know anyone stuck up in a bunker all of last summer....
I never said PAlestinians were all terrorists you said that. However I have been told by lady terrorist that all Israeli civilians are Zionists. Isn't there a slight bit of hypocrisy here?
The Intifada was started not by the Israelis but by the Palestinians when Sharon stepped on the Temple Mount.
No sorrry as I've said attacking the weakest of the country like the civilians on buses is cowardly its not resistance. I really hope the Koran doesn't teach you that....
Quite frankly I'll read your answers, all of it, but I will not sit there and watch a biased documentary.
'CNN which is owned by jews' - Why is it that anything people on this site don't like must be owned by Jews? I suppose it fits into the world wide Jewish conspiracy to make Muslims look bad for no apparent reason.

[virtualeye]

I don't skip replies thank you, thats another insult right there. How else am I to reply coherently?
Yes again blame it on the media.... I don't have any free will I just steal all my facts from the media. I don't really know anyone stuck up in a bunker all of last summer....
I never said PAlestinians were all terrorists you said that. However I have been told by lady terrorist that all Israeli civilians are Zionists. Isn't there a slight bit of hypocrisy here?
The Intifada was started not by the Israelis but by the Palestinians when Sharon stepped on the Temple Mount.
No sorrry as I've said attacking the weakest of the country like the civilians on buses is cowardly its not resistance. I really hope the Koran doesn't teach you that....
Quite frankly I'll read your answers, all of it, but I will not sit there and watch a biased documentary.
'CNN which is owned by jews' - Why is it that anything people on this site don't like must be owned by Jews? I suppose it fits into the world wide Jewish conspiracy to make Muslims look bad for no apparent reason.



You consider many western countries and specially the countries of G8 and European Union to be technologically, socially and economically advanced . Do you agree?

Then how can you cake and McNuggets eating people know about the value of a loaf of bread for a hungry person? It is we Muslims who are suffering and its is we Muslims who are technologically behind. We better know what cruelties and massacres we are facing. Living in the illusions of good bright life and yelling about those who are suffering? You have to rely on media, while those who's sisters are being rapes and brothers and children are being torn apart , they better know what is the meaing of life, death, wretchedness, misery and hunger.


You will never ever accept if Allah has destined a seal of ignorance on your heart. No matter how much severe muslims are... They will never ever rape a young girl 9 times in a day, as Yankees did to a girl in Abu Ghareeb Jail. Never ever Muslims will make the puzzle combinations of naked men, then feel ashamed to do that. What do you have in hand despite the few killings which some individuals committed? Which Muslim Army is invading America or Europe? It is American, UK and other so called civilized nations who hatching eggs in Islaimic countries.

Currently the American army is in more than half of the countries of the world. Can you name a Muslim country invading here and there? Allah will put the infidels' pride into a gutter, because there is no one deserving Glory and Pride but Allah SWT.

I think one after the other, every member here will get sick of your same allegations since you joined here.

[fabs]

You consider many western countries and specially the countries of G8 and European Union to be technologically, socially and economically advanced . Do you agree?

Then how can you cake and McNuggets eating people know about the value of a loaf of bread for a hungry person? It is we Muslims who are suffering and its is we Muslims who are technologically behind. We better know what cruelties and massacres we are facing. Living in the illusions of good bright life and yelling about those who are suffering? You have to rely on media, while those who's sisters are being rapes and brothers and children are being torn apart , they better know what is the meaning of life, death, wretchedness, misery and hunger.


You will never ever accept if Allah has destined a seal of ignorance on your heart. No matter how much severe muslims are... They will never ever rape a young girl 9 times in a day, as Yankees did to a girl in Abu Ghareeb Jail. Never ever Muslims will make the puzzle combinations of naked men, then feel ashamed to do that. What do you have in hand despite the few killings which some individuals committed? Which Muslim Army is invading America or Europe? It is American, UK and other so called civilized nations who hatching eggs in Islaimic countries.

Currently the American army is in more than half of the countries of the world. Can you name a Muslim country invading here and there? Allah will put the infidels' pride into a gutter, because there is no one deserving Glory and Pride but Allah SWT.

I think one after the other, every member here will get sick of your same allegations since you joined here.


'Those whose sisters are being raped, massacres on a daily basis...'
There has yet to be an accusation of rape against an Israeli soldier...

Yes well there might be a reaso why some of these countries in the Middle-East are so left behind.... Perhaps had they not spent the better part of their tiny budgets on arms which they can't afford and on social programs people would be less desperate. Instead a lot of these countries prefer to just blame the US and Israel for all their problems.

'They will never ever rape a young girl 9 times in a day, as Yankees did to a girl in Abu Ghareeb Jail. ' Wow really? I didn't know they kept girls in a male POW prison. Get your facts straight.
Just for the record I consider the way some Muslims have come into my country, installed themselves and kept themselves seperate from the mainstream and harbored people with ill intent, fostered hatred of other groups(Jews, Christians and Hindus) to be invasion. So yes.

Currently the American army is in more than half of the countries of the world?
Get your facts straight, hardly half of the world and secondly you make it sound as if they've invaded these countries when they may only just have bases there.
Muslim countries can't invade because they've been stopped time and time again (i.e: Iraq in Iran, Kuwait, Arab countries and Israel).

'Allah will put the infidels' pride into a gutter, because there is no one deserving Glory and Pride but Allah SWT.' Well comments like that could only come from someone with an extreme view of the world.
My allegations are based on fact, yours on rumour and hatred.

[Globalpeace]

Fabs,

Way to go man!

Kill all these hate mongers!

So what do you propose this time around; Holocaust against these "Moslems"...Cleanse Europe of these hate-mongers

Go for it

Just for the record I consider the way some Muslims have come into my country, installed themselves and kept themselves seperate from the mainstream and harbored people with ill intent, fostered hatred of other groups(Jews, Christians and Hindus) to be invasion. So yes.

Still don't understand why are you interested in learning about Islam? Why come to th forum? Whats the point of learning about a bunch of barbarians...

They obviously can't be corrected because their beleif is deeply swayed by prejudice

Quick Kill man does it man! (thats what I say); Finish me'off...No point in learning


btw...I love democracy, don't you. All we got to do is just get enough people like you to vote & Bam!

Holocaust starts...How cool and exciting.

P.S: Actually I should have start Holocaust starts again! Because as you said previously it has been done before....So Ya'all been practising...Naughty! Naughty!

'Those whose sisters are being raped, massacres on a daily basis...'
There has yet to be an accusation of rape against an Israeli soldier...

Yes well there might be a reaso why some of these countries in the Middle-East are so left behind.... Perhaps had they not spent the better part of their tiny budgets on arms which they can't afford and on social programs people would be less desperate. Instead a lot of these countries prefer to just blame the US and Israel for all their problems.

'They will never ever rape a young girl 9 times in a day, as Yankees did to a girl in Abu Ghareeb Jail. ' Wow really? I didn't know they kept girls in a male POW prison. Get your facts straight.
Just for the record I consider the way some Muslims have come into my country, installed themselves and kept themselves seperate from the mainstream and harbored people with ill intent, fostered hatred of other groups(Jews, Christians and Hindus) to be invasion. So yes.

Currently the American army is in more than half of the countries of the world?
Get your facts straight, hardly half of the world and secondly you make it sound as if they've invaded these countries when they may only just have bases there.
Muslim countries can't invade because they've been stopped time and time again (i.e: Iraq in Iran, Kuwait, Arab countries and Israel).

'Allah will put the infidels' pride into a gutter, because there is no one deserving Glory and Pride but Allah SWT.' Well comments like that could only come from someone with an extreme view of the world.
My allegations are based on fact, yours on rumour and hatred.

[fabs]

Fabs,

Way to go man!

Kill all these hate mongers!

So what do you propose this time around; Holocaust against these "Moslems"...Cleanse Europe of these hate-mongers

Go for it

Just for the record I consider the way some Muslims have come into my country, installed themselves and kept themselves seperate from the mainstream and harbored people with ill intent, fostered hatred of other groups(Jews, Christians and Hindus) to be invasion. So yes.

Still don't understand why are you interested in learning about Islam? Why come to th forum? Whats the point of learning about a bunch of barbarians...

They obviously can't be corrected because their beleif is deeply swayed by prejudice

Quick Kill man does it man! (thats what I say); Finish me'off...No point in learning


btw...I love democracy, don't you. All we got to do is just get enough people like you to vote & Bam!

Holocaust starts...How cool and exciting.

P.S: Actually I should have start Holocaust starts again! Because as you said previously it has been done before....So Ya'all been practising...Naughty! Naughty!

And there you go misconstruing what I said. I said 'some' Muslims, certain individuals, just because you consider yourself among these few, don't drag everyone else in with you. I don't believe I even said anything about causing genocide here or even that we should kill. Again, it was you that said that.
Well, I'm obviously surprised by some of you on this page, condoning suicide bombings, kaffirs go to hell, the holocaust never happened, women who dont wear the hijab are infidels....
What do you expect me to think? I think the messages of some people here have backed up the misconceptions about Islam. I know for a fact however that not all Muslims are like you, thank God. Some people just because they have a more literal or extreme interpretation, consider themselves better than others.

Funny that you should even use the word Holocaust given that according to you and probably some other quack sources you have in your bag, it didn't even happen. I suppose however I should be grateful that you didn't call me the '19 year old form Brussels' again. :)

[Globalpeace]

Fabs,

I am simply calling you as you introduced yourself...so are you not 19 or are you not from Brussels?

Sorry but have I been disrespecting you, my friend?

Actually can we even be friends? Me coming an immigrant following a hateful religion...You all enlightened, living in Europe...I mean I don't know...

Have I said something which is above my station?

And there you go misconstruing what I said. I said 'some' Muslims, certain individuals, just because you consider yourself among these few, don't drag everyone else in with you. I don't believe I even said anything about causing genocide here or even that we should kill. Again, it was you that said that.
Well, I'm obviously surprised by some of you on this page, condoning suicide bombings, kaffirs go to hell, the holocaust never happened, women who dont wear the hijab are infidels....
What do you expect me to think? I think the messages of some people here have backed up the misconceptions about Islam. I know for a fact however that not all Muslims are like you, thank God. Some people just because they have a more literal or extreme interpretation, consider themselves better than others.

Funny that you should even use the word Holocaust given that according to you and probably some other quack sources you have in your bag, it didn't even happen. I suppose however I should be grateful that you didn't call me the '19 year old form Brussels' again. :)

[fabs]

Fabs,

I am simply calling you as you introduced yourself...so are you not 19 or are you not from Brussels?

Sorry but have I been disrespecting you, my friend?

Actually can we even be friends? Me coming an immigrant following a hateful religion...You all enlightened, living in Europe...I mean I don't know...

Have I said something which is above my station?

Well I find it amusing that instead of coming with real arguments, you've been attacking me directly and having view which I don't have (when did I suggest massacring Muslims?). Yes you have been disrespecting me, if you consider ridicule disrespect.
I'm an immigrant just like you albeit I grew up here to an extent, I live in country where up to 40 percent are immigrants, so I can't accept what you say.

[virtualeye]

The people in the following videos must be Muslims in the disguise of Jews and Christians, right? Because Muslims are the worst brutal hate mongers and Jews and Christians cant be that brutal:



Judaism from the mouth of Jews and not some hante monger suiciding Muslim.
-1598533094200160862



By your favorite CNN and not made by some Muslim wacko
4557880479700729360




By an American Reporter who was tortured because of making this video
-3879703582207034825




By your Favorite and trustable CBC and not any Muslim made video.
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[Ahmed_2000]

Hi Dude


This proves me wrong, good for you FABs, now i believe what you are sayin is true. i am with you now watch ths videos


http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3523




http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=245





Adios Amigo

[fabs]

What's your point exactly? You should hate the Americas because their soldiers kill? Isn't that the point in war? If I'm not mistken the video was from Fallujah. How on earth would any of you do on a battlefield? You have to make immediate and someitmes hard decisions.
Not one of these videos prove that the USA targets civilians. At worst, they're killed in inevitable accidents.

OH and sorry I clearly don't have the time to watch 3 50 minute documentaries.

AS for Israel, Who can dispute that the occupation is a bad thing? But whats the alternative at the moment? The Israeli army withdraws only to come back weeks later when the Kassams and suicide attacks resume an masse?
Yes, I can't help but feel sorry for the Palestinians. I'm sure the majority of them want peace, but there are groups among them that don't.
I expected a video of Goldstein massacre would come up. One loony settler goes postal, and everyone assumes he represents all Jews, all Israelis.
In fact the settlers are being more and more shunned by mainstream Israeli society. Goldstein was a murderer and he got what he deserved. I don't agree however with the way its being used for propaganda.

[Globalpeace]

Fabs,

I am sorry but I am a bit confused & would like an “enlightened 19 year old” to clarify something;

Why is it that you can say:

1) Qur’aan is borrowed from the bible
2) Muhammad (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) executed hundreds of Jews
3) Muslims confiscated Palestine & built a Mosque on the Solomon’s temple
4) Muslims are terrorists so they should be rightly subjected to terror checks and control orders
5) Palestinians are terrorists and cowards, killing innocent Israeli citizens
6) Muslims committed the Armenian genocide

And my feelings don’t get hurt...

but when I pester you about your origin, your age, your city, your Jamaican mother…You send me nasty PM’s and threaten to go the moderators?

I wanna play! That's not fair!

[fabs]

Perhaps if I started making fun of your age, religion and nationality, or even mother, you wouldn't find it very funny. If you're 35, please act like it. You sound more like a spoilt child.
G"d, you really are a character. I sent you one PM yesterday questioning why you put things like that on my introductory page and now you act as if I'm contantly harassing you. I haven't gone or even threatened to go to the Moderators once.

[ibn azem]

Fabs,

I am sorry but I am a bit confused & would like an “enlightened 19 year old” to clarify something;

Why is it that you can say:

1) Qur’aan is borrowed from the bible
2) Muhammad (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) executed hundreds of Jews
3) Muslims confiscated Palestine & built a Mosque on the Solomon’s temple
4) Muslims are terrorists so they should be rightly subjected to terror checks and control orders
5) Palestinians are terrorists and cowards, killing innocent Israeli citizens
6) Muslims committed the Armenian genocide

And my feelings don’t get hurt...

but when I pester you about your origin, your age, your city, your Jamaican mother…You send me nasty PM’s and threaten to go the moderators?

I wanna play! That's not fair!

Globalpeace I warn you!!! Do not exaggerate!

This is not a forum for playing games and pestering other members, and you should know that better!

This is a warning!

And by the way, don't think that you are applying the islamic manner of behaviour if you continue this way!

[Globalpeace]

Fabs,

Gee! I am humbled...Don't know what to say!

I am so flattered that you are intersted in my profile & I do admit you are 19, Franch, Half-cast and all that!

Frankly "You Wish" but you are not my type...

Sorry for breaking your heart but can we still be friends?

Please!
Please!
Please!

Perhaps if I started making fun of your age, religion and nationality, or even mother, you wouldn't find it very funny. If you're 35, please act like it. You sound more like a spoilt child.
G"d, you really are a character. I sent you one PM yesterday questioning why you put things like that on my introductory page and now you act as if I'm contantly harassing you. I haven't gone or even threatened to go to the Moderators once.

[virtualeye]

Perhaps if I started making fun of your age, religion and nationality, or even mother, you wouldn't find it very funny. If you're 35, please act like it. You sound more like a spoilt child.
G"d, you really are a character. I sent you one PM yesterday questioning why you put things like that on my introductory page and now you act as if I'm contantly harassing you. I haven't gone or even threatened to go to the Moderators once.



I think Brother GlobalPeace had given you a whole piece of Globe to convince you. He used his hours of time just for the sake of his faith, but you remain at '0' Position. Jammed by some glue which can only be melted by Allah SWT.

[fabs]

Or could it be that maybe I'm right? And globalpeace is wrong? that even in the rare instances that he brings up a valid, in between just being insulting, he just isn't convincing?

*bracing myself for another onslaught by Mr. Globalpeace

[Abdul-Raheem]

This has really got out of hand people. A mod should've closed this thread a long time ago. I think more than enough has been said.

[ibn azem]

:salam2:

I want to remind those who have contributed that this thread has gone off topic to keep in mind and not to repeat the same behaviour in the future!

The thread will be closed!