Dr. Aafia's Final Verdict

[saima abdullah]

dr . afia's final verdict ..real shame
WASHINGTON: US court has issued 86 years sentence to Dr. Afia Siddiuqi on seven counts including attempted murder, Geo News reported Thursday.

"It is my judgement that Dr Siddiqui is sentenced to a period of incarceration of 86 years," said judge Richard Berman.

Aafia Siddiqui, 38, denounced the trial and said an appeal would be "a waste of time. I appeal to God."
http://www.geo.tv/9-23-2010/71823.htm
May Allah protect sisters ......................................feeling insecure......
shame to everyone who deserves

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

:salam2:wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu...

And then they say they fight for human rights and secure them!!

sister Afia will have her day on the day of judgement when this judge is judged by the highest and most judged courts...

may ALLAH protect us from evil in duniya and akhira,ameen.

[saima abdullah]

:salam2:wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu...

And then they say they fight for human rights and secure them!!

sister Afia will have her day on the day of judgement when this judge is judged by the highest and most judged courts...

may ALLAH protect us from evil in duniya and akhira,ameen.
they are hypocrites sister dont relay on what they say see what they doooo

wsalam o alykumwrwb

[al-fajr]

Assalamu'alaykum,

Amongst his final words, Khaalid ibn al Waleed (r) was said to have proclaimed: 'May the eyes of the cowards never find rest in sleep!' and I repeat that on hearing this verdict and every other intolerable injustice committed against innocent members of the Ummah of Muhammad (s).

[sister harb]

:salam2:

One more crime against human rights from the "country who wants to spread democracy and fight against terrorism".

May Allah keep this sister strong in the hands of her oppressors.

:tti_sister:

[dna1987]

86 years for "attempted" murder. If you actually murder or rape innocent Muslims in Iraq or Afghanistan though, you will get a 12 year jail sentence....but maybe that's only for those in the military.

[busana muslim]

:salam2:

how can a weak women can attack an stronger US soldier? i think it imposibble, may Allah give you strength reward you my sister, Allah will give you a justice insyaAllah, ameen... :tti_sister:

[arzafar]

in 1400+ islaamic history do we find a precedent for this case.

"a muslim woman is kidnapped from muslim land and held by kaafirs for years before being sentenced in a dubious trial."

shame on all muslim rulers.

[JenGiove]

I'm not passing any judgment here...I just wanted you to know that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aafia_Siddiqui

[Abu Talib]

Judgement against humanity

[Kakorot]

Innaa lillaahi wa innaa ilayhi raji'oon.

[alkathiri]

Innalillahi wa innalillahi rajiun....

So much for promoting peace with muslims....yeh right

[Asja]

:salam2:

Shame be upon them. May Allah punish them for their wrong doings,and give patinete to our sister,and help her in this world.Allah is The Most Just,and they will respond for everything that they are doing.

:wasalam:

[sister harb]

Afia Siddiuqi kidnapped with her three children. Any information what happened to them? Did FBI (or who ever did it), tortured and raped them too like they did to this sister in american prison in Afghanistan? Are they too accused to be supporters of alqaeda?

[Kakorot]

Why can't they do a lie detector test if they really wanted the truth?

[sister harb]

Why can't they do a lie detector test if they really wanted the truth?

Because it may show she is innocent?

[abubaseer]

I'm not passing any judgment here...I just wanted you to know that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aafia_Siddiqui

:salam2: Sister,

It says

"Siddiqui was shot and severely wounded at the police compound the day after her arrest after she allegedly grabbed the unattended rifle of one of her American interrogators and began shooting at them."


In other words,

A 5'1 tall, severely wounded, Woman, began shooting at the Professional Armymen.
They had just arrested her, but left her free to pickup a Rifle which was lying "unattended"

Either they don't know how to train the Army or to cook-up stories.

:wasalam:

[Kakorot]

Because it may show she is innocent?
Rheotorical question...

[sister harb]

Wikipedia is zionist-poisoned media - wouldn´t pay too much attention to its "information".

[JenGiove]

Wikipedia is zionist-poisoned media - wouldn´t pay too much attention to its "information".

Not that you would ever believe anything that came from me....

http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home

If you feel there is wrong information on Wikipedia, then become a contributing member and correct the mistakes.

[sister harb]

:salam2:

It is up to you if you believe the truth about wiki or not. They information are from one side of media and that side is zionist one, same what is favour in the west.

Wikipedia is same like MemriTV, both created by zionists:

Both are Zionists ‘disinformation outfits’ – established, operated and funded by pro-Israeli Zionist Jews. Zionists live by intrigue, and misdirecting the opposition is one of their favorite tactics.

Wikipedia was established in 2001. Most of its technical staff is Jewish and the Moderators openly admit to a pro-Jewish bias.

Memri (The Middle East Media Research Institute) - was founded by Colonel Yigal Carmon, who spent 22 years in Israeli military intelligence and later served as counter-terrorism adviser to two Israeli prime ministers, Yitzhak Shamir and Yitzhak Rabin. Retrieving another now-deleted page from the archives of Memri's website also throws up a list of its staff. Of the six people named, three - including Col Carmon - are described as having worked for Israeli intelligence.

Retrieving another now-deleted page from the archives of Memri's website also throws up a list of its staff. Of the six people named, three - including Col Carmon - are described as having worked for Israeli intelligence.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/aug/12/worlddispatch.brianwhitaker

Memri's intent is to find the worst possible quotes from the Muslim world and disseminate them as widely as possible. One of its ‘crown jewel’ translations was Iranian president Dr. Ahmadinejad’s last year speech – When he asserted (in Persian) – for the removal of the regimes that are in power in Israel and in the USA as a goal for the future. Nowhere did he demanded the elimination or annihilation of Israel. He called for greater governance for Palestine. The word map did not even feature. And the president made plain that the Holocaust happened (though not necessarily six million Jews were actually killed), but, he argues western powers have exploited the memory of the Holocaust for their own imperialistic purposes. What the mainstream ran with is complete deception.

[BrotherInIslam7]

Not that you would ever believe anything that came from me....

http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home

If you feel there is wrong information on Wikipedia, then become a contributing member and correct the mistakes.

That wouldn't serve any purpose. They would change it right back after you have edited it to suit the storyline that is suitable for their respective agendas.

However, the case against Sister Afia is a farce and I am deeply saddened to hear of this news.

May Allah azz zawajal help the oppressed and answer their supplications. Ameen

[saima abdullah]

wikipedia is not a reliable source at all our teacher never accepted a term paper that contain ref of wikipedia, it is reputed as a third class medium of information even in the academic circle... and it was admitted in the court that her accusations are not proved.....
sister Affia will be liberated we believe in Allah's Mercy.... lets see how it occurs..
and this event highlighted that the man made system has no competency with human nature only Allah's law can rule the soul and body of humans
:wasalam:

[JenGiove]

I found this for you all. I've not read the whole thing since it is very long but I read some of it. To think, she could have been my Doctor.

http://www.bostonmagazine.com/articles/whos_afraid_of_aafia_siddiqui/

[sister harb]

I found this for you all. I've not read the whole thing since it is very long but I read some of it. To think, she could have been my Doctor.

http://www.bostonmagazine.com/articles/whos_afraid_of_aafia_siddiqui/

Better stop to send here your links by US media. They only tells our sister is terrorist. To us she is sister in Islam.

:shymuslima1:

[JenGiove]

They only tells our sister is terrorist. To us she is sister in Islam.

:shymuslima1:

Actually, this one paints a very human picture of Dr. Siddiqui.

[BrotherInIslam7]

Better stop to send here your links by US media. They only tells our sister is terrorist. To us she is sister in Islam.

:shymuslima1:

Actually, even non muslim Americans who have got to know about the details of charges made against her are outraged that the govt. has taken such liberties and are calling for this woman to get her civil rights.

But yes, for us muslims, we are connected by a bond of brotherhood and sisterhood. She is no outsider for us nor do we see that she is American, pakistani etc etc. She is muslim and standing for her rights is our duty (like it would be a duty to stand up for our own family members).

:wasalam:

[JenGiove]

BrotherInIslam,

It is unfortunate but sister harb and I agree on so few things. I think she would prefer that I not participate in any news/current events threads. I may be wrong but I am of the opinion that sister harb views anything I post that is the slightest bit un-anti-american as a lie and not even worth viewing with an open mind.

[Aapa]

Salaam,

Let us stay focused.

I have begged members to write to Dr. Siddiqui. I have posted many threads and have had few responses. Now it is time to take action and write to her.

Jeni...be patient with us. Learn from us how we see the world. Islam changes your life. And no one is here to fight with you. You are just being exposed to a different and real perspective.

[sister harb]

BrotherInIslam,

It is unfortunate but sister harb and I agree on so few things. I think she would prefer that I not participate in any news/current events threads. I may be wrong but I am of the opinion that sister harb views anything I post that is the slightest bit un-anti-american as a lie and not even worth viewing with an open mind.

:salam2:

If you like to know how I think as sister harb just send pm and ask, not send kind of posts never again.

:shake:

[Aapa]

Salaam,

Sweet Sister Harb we know how you think and we know how hard you work. you are an inspiration to me.
Help me to teach our new sister why we think the way we do.

[JenGiove]

Jeni...be patient with us. Learn from us how we see the world. Islam changes your life. And no one is here to fight with you. You are just being exposed to a different and real perspective.




Sweet Sister Harb we know how you think and we know how hard you work. you are an inspiration to me.
Help me to teach our new sister why we think the way we do.

Sister Aapa,

If we were facing each other, I would approach you with what is called a "tobacco tie" out of respect for you and for the knowledge you carry. Tobacco in the history of my own culture is one of the 4 special herbs used in prayer and to gift someone with tobacco, tied in red cotton cloth, is a great honor because it was a rare thing to find, harvest, and possess. I know that smoking is Haram...this tobacco was not for smoking. It was for prayers....

You spoke to me with gentleness and for that, I am deeply grateful. May the Creator remember your kindness.

Please understand that I really was not trying to be argumentative. I too have lived a life of religious persecution, fear, distain, and sometimes violence simply because I believed in something that someone else did not understand. I had to dress in a certain manner. I had to speak in a certain manner. It was 'haram' for me to associate myself with certain types of people, places, things. My own mother became an apostate because of her actions and still, I believed. All I wanted was to live in peace and be allowed to practice my beliefs without being hated or threatened. I too was charged with bringing my beliefs to others.

How much different is that life from the lives of you brothers and sisters?

Maybe it is not good manners in Islam to admit publicly what is plainly viewed. Many times Sister Harb and I have disputed over this point or that point. I too admire her passion, for without passion, nothing is achieved. I understand that there is a point where a person must stand up and say "No more! These are lies!". I do not want anyone to stop having passion. I do not want anyone to not have hatred for the un-just, the un-fair, the un-respectful, the un-honorable. How honorable of me would that be? It would not.

But...Islam is about seeking and finding truth. Correct? That is how I understand it. Truth and justice and respect and honor and dignity.

I know very little of this world outside of the United States. I've barely traveled beyond my own region, and I live here. Is it so difficult to imagine that the people who do not live here might have encountered misconceptions, misinformation and misunderstanding.....simply because they don't live in my environment?

I can, in no way, EVER understand what it is like to live in a world where bombs and bullets fly over my head daily. I can, in no way, EVERY understand the feeling of trying to maintain my dignity and save my life while bullies and thugs walk among me with the endorsement of the world.

While you struggle to change the lies and incorrect information that has been spread by the "deaf ones" and the "hard hearted", those people who can not or will not see beyond their own lives and have closed their hearts to love/affection/peace......

..can it be possible that I may feel the same way? You have been called "evil" and "terrorists" and all manner of vile things.

I was called Kaafir....here....publicly. Not in this thread, but on TTI. How do you feel when you are viewed with disdain for no reason other than you are Muslim. While my own life falls down around me in tatters and my own health threatens to end my life, I come here for companionship, love, education and laughter. For a sense of order in my own chaos. If I am wrong for turning here for that support, then please, tell me and I will quietly leave.

In an odd way, I identify the most with Sister Harb. She has been the catalyst in my life for the things I so desperately need to learn and work on.

Salam..

[al-fajr]

Aafia Siddiqui’s Sentencing – Thursday September 23rd, 2010

The Southern District Court of NY 500 Pearl Street Manhattan, NY

[Murdiyyah - JFAC Correspondent]

To be honest with you, it would be unfair to say I put full attention in note-taking at the times Dr. Aafia took the floor. Her words always had a way of captivating the audience to the extent that pens would drop to listen to her pearls of wisdom without disturbance of the thought process that takes place during writing. So I can share with you only what I recall.

Colour-coordinated with the JFAC logo, I arrived in front of 500 Pearl Street ready to see my sister Aafia Siddiqui. A stranger saw my name and smiled, saying how similar it was to Aafia Siddiqui. Over the years, it has become my pride to even possess a name similar to such a prestigious member of society. So, to my dismay, when I saw the line to enter the courthouse extended far and would take us visitors a long time to finally arrive inside the courtroom, I knew I wouldn’t be able to see her face to face or even in the same room. Unfortunately I was right; by the time I arrived inside, the initial courtroom where Aafia’s proceeding was taking place was completely packed so we had to make ourselves comfortable in the backup court rooms connected live to Aafia’s sentencing through a projector.

Aafia’s lawyer Dawn Cardi was speaking when I finally sat down. She was talking about the mental stability of Aafia Siddiqui. She spoke about how she had to get security clearance to do her job as a lawyer for Aafia; nevertheless, the security clearance was in no way a permit for her to use top security evidence to defend Aafia’s case. Cardi mentioned how psychiatrists of 20 years study and experience claim Aafia is suffering from schizophrenia, that she is incoherent and suffers from diminished capacity. “Part of it is because she was abused as a spouse” said Cardi. “Her diminished capacity is claimed to have emerged as early on as when she was studying at MIT. This can be proven in her thesis How Children Learn, another incoherent piece,” her lawyer claims. To prove her point, she goes on to say some of the things Aafia has written in random ramblings while in prison were strange and senseless like “only adults get viruses” and how “hand gliders were flying into buildings.” Cardi said “We agree Dr. Aafia is not guilty on premeditation; she didn’t even have the capacity to premeditate. No one has ever believed Aafia was a jihadist.”

Cardi tried to gain the judge’s sympathy, reminding Richard Berman that any woman in Aafia’s position would have been the same way Aafia had been when they found her in Ghazni, “Frightened, possessed, upset and ready to get out of there.”

When it was prosecutor Christopher LaVigne’s turn to talk, he stuttered his way back to the varying testimonies of the US soldiers claiming that their stories were similar; hence, they had to be true. The keyword here is similar. LaVigne and judge Berman claimed that Aafia had no problems with the Afghan army holding her. The moment American soldiers came into the picture, she became “violent and intolerant” out of her “hate for Americans.” This is contrary to the many times Aafia said, “I love America” and “Wouldn’t anyone in my place want to protect our nation and be shocked if they heard anything was going to happen?” She also mentioned how the FBI refused to speak to her, especially during the first three months of her arrest. She spoke about how she lost trust in the officers she would speak to because things they would do afterwards so she started playing along with them like her arrest was some kind of game. She didn’t know when she was speaking to serious FBI agents or when she was talking to disrespectful immature people who wore badges and uniform but had no concern for the truth.

Dr. Aafia has a very distinct accent, a South Asian touch to American English with a rich vocabulary. When it was her turn to speak, Aafia was so frustrated at the amount of time she had and the amount of things she wanted to say and the depth she wanted to get into, that time simply did not allow her to do so. It was painful to see how a caged person is set free for those few moments in court. She was shocked that the judge was even allowing her to speak so she spoke without preparation. Despite the lack of preparation, Aafia used very powerful and concise language to convey her thoughts and messages and her voice was captivating. Even the guards stopped and listened to her attentively when she spoke. When I read of previous court experiences with Aafia, I didn’t know what to believe when witnesses described her eloquence. But yesterday, I got to see for myself what this Aafia was all about. Various times during her little speeches, I would find audience members crying in response to her powerful heart rendering statements. It was such a moving experience. Grown men crying. Others chanting “Allaahu Akbar!” absorbed in her moments of strength and perseverance.

Aafia’s lawyer described Aafia’s cell as being “a small concrete block, no light, no windows, she gets fed through the cell, and get one hour of exercise. She reminded all Americans that one day “We’re going to look back in history and see what drove Aafia’s sentencing—fear, instilled and practiced by its very own government. We want to punish her more because of fear. If you sentence her for life, you have given up on her. It is not just to throw away the key on this 38 year old mother.” She reminded Judge Berman, “We all wrestle with what is just and fair. Do the right thing.”

Yet, her lawyer seemed to have given up on Aafia early as well. She said, “There is no question of the verdict. We are not talking about her walking free. We are talking about what kind of sentence is appropriate.”

Aafia rejected claims that she is mentally unstable and admitted there were times she had been on a real low naturally given the rare circumstance she’s placed in, but those times lasted for a short while during her stressful arrival to the States from Ghazni, Afghanistan.

Judge Berman mentioned that some of her doctors have claimed Aafia has several mental illnesses for which there is no medicine out there that will help cure her even if they have intricate facts about her illness. She is too complex. Berman also pointed out that Aafia’s refusal to participate makes treatment even harder.

Cardi reminded Berman, “Prison is not the best place for encouraging rehabilitation. And this event that took place in Ghazni is not likely to happen ever again in the future. Aafia has never demonstrated violence in her life even after becoming ill.”

The judge said he considers that Aafia serve some time in the Texas facility Federal Medical Center (FMC) Carswell, that it would be good for her mental healing. He asked Aafia how she felt about Carswell and Aafia replied, “Carswell is different. I wouldn’t say it’s better. It’s not. It’s a strange place.”

Cardi went on to say, “We can’t hold her because we think she will do something again; maybe is not fair!” Trying to convince the judge out of giving a life sentence, she said, “Lock her up for 12 years. That is more humane. Aafia will be older and wiser by then. But not for life; forever is a death sentence!”

LaVigne replied, “Protecting the public does deserve a life sentence. Aafia is very threatening. Let me show you how threatening she is. She was once caught biting a prison guard; therefore, she deserves a life sentence.” He was not being sarcastic.

To this, the judge added, “There is no evidence of Aafia’s disappearance and torture prior to 2008.” He also said, “No offense to Dr. Siddiqui. I believe she has given us false testimonies.”

When the judge asked Aafia if there were any matters of crucial importance she wanted to discuss, she replied, “There is no matter of crucial importance. I’ll be honest, I was actually planning to sleep throughout this hearing because I didn’t think you would let me speak so I didn’t prepare my [index] cards.” She laughed as she said this. Then she reminded the judge, “No one here is in charge of my sentencing except for Allah. None of what you all decide for me matters. I am content with Allah’s Decision. I’m happy and you can’t change that. All thanks to Allah.”

She talked about how we should strengthen our souls to be content in whichever situation life places us. Seeing Aafia so content and bubbly all the time, her own psychiatrists have gone to her for help, asking her “How do you stay so content? What’s your secret?” Thus, she concluded, “I don’t need those doctors, they need me!”

She said how she doesn’t write anyone letters. But she receives the letters people write to her. One time, she wrote to her brother and the letter was returned. Another time, she wrote to the Texas Peace Society who had given her an intriguing piece on Iraq Veterans Against the War. She stands for such a cause so she was proud and inspired by their work and wanted to thank them. The secretary had given her the wrong mailing address for whatever reason, so it was the secretary’s mistake that caused Aafia’s letter to be returned. Otherwise, she hasn’t written to anyone.

At one instance, Aafia was talking and in the middle of a deep conversation, she goes “Oops! My teeth just fell off. I’m wearing a veil so you can’t see the 110 year old I become when that happens. The doctors did a horrible job attaching my replacement teeth.”

About Israel, she said, “I’m not anti-Israel but I have proof that some Israelis pretend to be Caucasian or Hispanic when they commit crimes against Americans.” She also mentioned that she does respect Israel though because her daughter had been held by them and they did not violate her rights. “I’ll make sure if I had to care for Israeli children, I would take very good care of them. Children do not deserve to be in prison.” This strong woman got a little emotional when she mentioned a mother’s concern for her kids. She told us, “If you want to save humanity, get rid of child imprisonment. Help other innocent prisoners. Don’t waste your efforts and money on me. The money you spend on me is not used for your desired change. Lord knows what happens to that money. I’m stuck with these people as my decision-makers. You won’t get to alleviate my conditions. But I’m very content as is. Don’t cry over my case. God wants me to survive so I am here.”

If you wanted to know the real Aafia at this point, going to her court hearings would have been your only and best opportunity. Aafia wanted to share with us some dreams she has had. Before going any further, she mentioned a narration of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) when he said, “Do not attribute to me that which I have not attributed to myself.” In one of her dreams shortly after her trial, Aafia was thinking and praying that Allah put mercy in the hearts of the Taliban. She was recalling how Yvonne Ridley had come to Islam through their merciful treatment towards her. Then Aafia fell asleep. She saw the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) entering a room full of American soldiers with their hands behind their backs. They were Prisoners of War. “Then Muhammad (peace be upon him) walked into another room and I was following him. Again, there were American soldiers there with their hands behind their backs. The Prophet looked at me and said, ‘Have mercy.’ So I felt the need to address this to my fellow Muslims, and especially to the Taliban. Don’t be angry at the Americans. They are misinformed. I love American soldiers. Some of the soldiers talk to me about college and how they wanted to earn degrees but they are stuck here.”

Aafia had another dream in which Isa (peace be upon him) appeared. She said the dream was too long to get into details, but from it, she got that maybe his coming is near. She also felt the Muslims need to reach out to the Christians more.

At one point, Aafia mentioned with excitement how she finally decided to purchase a radio in her cell after all these years of desolation. Clearly, she is improving. All praise be to Allah.

When the judge started going over Aafia’s sentencing, I clearly did not understand where he was adding all his offense points from. All the charges seemed redundant and overboard. Aafia reminded him in the process that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) never held personal grudges even against his most brutal opponents.

At the end of an out-of-this-world hearing, when the judge was wrapping up his 86 year sentence on Aafia, Aafia brought up the 6th verse in the 49th chapter of the Quran, “O you who believe! If a rebellious evil person comes to you with a news, verify it, lest you harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful to what you have done.” She then asked all the people present in the court and her supporters outside of court that they have mercy on and forgive the prosecutors and defendants and Judge Berman. It seemed almost like judge Berman was mocking her when he said, “I wish more defendants would feel the way that you do. Enjoy your life, Dr. Aafia.”

I will admit, giving certain aforementioned individuals mercy is too much to ask for, and it is not happening, at least not from my end. I don’t know how Aafia does it. But injustice does not deserve her mercy. Or any of ours. Many of the audience also nodded in disapproval, replying with “I’m sorry, I can’t.” One of her last comments was, “I was attending MIT before, and here I am back in MIT. I’ve been in MIT this whole time. The Manhattan Institute of Theatre Arts.”

[Aapa]

Salaam,

Sweet sister, Islam is Love. I am still learning and pray to learn until I die.

Why not write to Dr. Siddiqui. That would be a blessed journey.

[sister harb]

Salaam,

Sweet sister, Islam is Love. I am still learning and pray to learn until I die.

Why not write to Dr. Siddiqui. That would be a blessed journey.

Could you send address? I will love to write to her and ask my friends do so.

[Ibn Uthaymin]

Im pissed.

[Kakorot]

Salaam,

Sweet sister, Islam is Love. I am still learning and pray to learn until I die.

Why not write to Dr. Siddiqui. That would be a blessed journey.
How can we write to her please and how do we know if the letters actually reach her?

[JenGiove]

How can we write to her please and how do we know if the letters actually reach her?

I don't know where to write to her but, if you find out and you do write to her, I caution you to be EXTREMELY careful with your words. Mail to ANY prisoner is opened and searched for contraband (drugs, paperclips that can be turned into weapons or staples that can be swallowed to cause self injury, thus sending you to the medical ward thus providing an opportunity for escape...yes, it HAS been done...people can be inventive) and in the case of someone who may be viewed as a terrorist, the mail may be read to prevent the wrong type of communication. State only your love of her, your support for her iman and your well wishes for Creator to be merciful and protective. That is the only way that mail MIGHT reach her.

Indian's have political prisoners too.

[al-fajr]

paperclips that can be turned into weapons or

Ridiculous. A paperclip?! Lol

Indian's have political prisoners too.

I don't see how this comment logically follows from what you wrote above it.

[Al-Kashmiri]

As-salaamu `alaykum

Firstly, I was gonna post this the minute the news got to me (before it reached TTI) but had my hands tied.

It's clear that this is another unjust verdict based upon twisted lies, coming straight from the men who run a country that the whole world (save their handful of allies) sees as a rogue state.

“Oh you who believe! If a Faasiq (evildoer) comes to you with some news, then verify it, lest you afflict a people [with harm] based upon ignorance and then become regretful”

Based on this verse of the Qur'ân, are we going to trust anything the US say? Especially when their arguments are flawed and our noble sister Dr. Aafia Siddiqui (may Allaah ease her pain, brighten her face and punish those who've wronged her) denies the charges? No. We would need hard evidence which they never seem to produce.

Let's look at some of the so-called evidence which I'm quoting from a Robert Fisk article, someone a hell lot more reliable at reporting than any lying 'patriot'.

"According to their evidence, she managed to take one of their M-4 assault rifles and opened fire with the words, "Get the f*** of here. May the blood of [unintelligible] be on your [head or hands]."

If it wasn't for the severity of the situation of our sister, I would laugh at this nonsense. How on earth are you arrested for trying to blow up America but not restricted enough such that you can grab an M-4 and fire. Typical government rhetoric right there.

She wasn't helped by an alleged statement by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed – the man who supposedly planned 9/11 and who is the uncle of her second husband, Ammar al-Baluchi – who claimed that Aafia Siddiqui was a senior al-Qa'ida agent. But then, he'd just been waterboarded 183 times in a month – which hardly makes his evidence, to use a phrase, water-tight.

Robert Fisk answered this one himself; your speech becomes dismissible after such a torture. Alhamdulillaah for the blessing of Islaam, where we live by principles which outline when someone's word is accepted or not. Common sense alone is enough to render useless whatever Khalid says!

My du`aas are with this sister...

[JenGiove]

Ridiculous. A paperclip?! Lol

You'd be amazed what desperation can create. Toothbrushes filed down into knives. Here's a wiki link on "Shivs". If anything, the inventivness is a testiment to Creator's blessing called our brains.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiv_%28weapon%29



I don't see how this comment logically follows from what you wrote above it.

You would have to know that I'm an Native American Indian. Since Dr.Siddiqui is viewed as a political prisoner, I was letting you know that in this instance, I knew about how to send to a political prisoner. I've also had personal experience in writing to someone in the prison system. Most of the people on this thread knew that information about my heritage.

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

Please go to cageprisoners.com. There are good suggestions there. Do not be upset if you do not get a reply.

[sister harb]

Assalaam walaikum,

Please go to cageprisoners.com. There are good suggestions there. Do not be upset if you do not get a reply.

:salam2:

Thanks about information.

Actually, I have some experiance about writing to political prisoners; I have been member of Amnesty International for years and also I wrote before to israeli political prison, Mordechai Vanunu as thanking him his action when he told in public Israel´s nuclear program.

[Valerie]

I was called Kaafir....here....publicly. Not in this thread, but on TTI. How do you feel when you are viewed with disdain for no reason other than you are Muslim. While my own life falls down around me in tatters and my own health threatens to end my life, I come here for companionship, love, education and laughter. For a sense of order in my own chaos. If I am wrong for turning here for that support, then please, tell me and I will quietly leave.

I know this is directed toward someone else, but thanks for writing this. It needed to be said.

On a side note, anytime I see a link viewing muslims as unfavorable .. "It's Zionist". If it views non-Muslims in a bad light.. It's "true."

I respect all of you, even those I have disagreed with, but it's weird to be the the mirror image of those who only have nasty things to say about Muslims and who believe that non-Muslims are always right. That bothers me.

[al-fajr]

Assalamu'alaykum


I was called Kaafir....here....publicly. Not in this thread, but on TTI. How do you feel when you are viewed with disdain for no reason other than you are Muslim. While my own life falls down around me in tatters and my own health threatens to end my life, I come here for companionship, love, education and laughter. For a sense of order in my own chaos. If I am wrong for turning here for that support, then please, tell me and I will quietly leave.

I know this is directed toward someone else, but thanks for writing this. It needed to be said.

On a side note, anytime I see a link viewing muslims as unfavorable .. "It's Zionist". If it views non-Muslims in a bad light.. It's "true."

I respect all of you, even those I have disagreed with, but it's weird to be the the mirror image of those who only have nasty things to say about Muslims and who believe that non-Muslims are always right. That bothers me.

This thread is about Dr 'Aafia Siddique; her barbaric imprisonment and the recent unjust verdict that has been passed by those who claim to be and portray themselves as the flagbearers of justice and human rights (America). If you have other grievances kindly take them elsewhere so as to not divert the main focus of the thread. Thanks.

This audio (http://kalamullah.com/Various%20Lectures/The%20Story%20of%20Dr%20Aafia%20Siddique.MP3) provides a useful overview for those who still don't know as much as they should about the case.

[sister harb]

This thread is about Dr 'Aafia Siddique; her barbaric imprisonment and the recent unjust verdict that has been passed by those who claim to be and portray themselves as the flagbearers of justice and human rights (America). If you have other grievances kindly take them elsewhere so as to not divert the main focus of the thread. Thanks.


:salam2:

I agree with this. Writing off topic should stop and continue kind of discussions some where else topic.

Thanks for reminding us.

[kashif_nazeer]

:salam2:
:(
May Allah have mercy on her and her family and a lot of innocent prisoners fee sabilillah.
May Allah Have Mercy On us.O Allah her children,I love my mother.
I feel ashamed.
:wasalam:

[JenGiove]

Sisters and Brothers,

It has been brought to my attention that I may have inadvertently caused misunderstanding of my thoughts and words here. I mean to correct that now.

Specifically, when I posted "To think, she could have been my Doctor." I ONLY meant to convey what a small world we live in. I lived all my life in Massachusetts, the state that Dr.Siddiqui lived, worked and raised her family in. She then had several job interviews in Baltimore, Maryland at John's Hopkins University. She is a Coctor in the field of neuro-science, an amazing and fascinating field and one who's offices would have been in the same hallway as neurology. As someone who must see a neurologist all the time for my seizures and for an abnormal vascular development (which is what threatens my life should it burst), I was only remarking on how I could have met her and not known it. Here in America, having an connection to a noteworthy person is remarkable. What if you were able to say "Hey! as kids, Mohammad and I used to play together....we've lost touch and he probably doesn't remember but...".

As for Dr.Siddiqui's guilt or innocence, I hold no opinion. This also touches on what Valerie said. It IS hard, being on the other side of "the rabbit hole". I find it disheartening that I can not voice my own thoughts and opinions on worlds news events here without facing what *I* feel is ridicule and hatred. It seems that unless I post something that is "Anti-American", I am yelled at and deemed stupid. Of course, I am not Muslim and I can not walk in your shoes and feel your obstacles, but I see FAR more "Anti-American" threads here than "Pro-Muslim".

For those of you who think I am "American Indian" as in a person from India who lives in America, you are incorrect. I am Indian as in "Cowboys and Indians". The past leardership of the United States has also effected my own culture and has also taken innocent people from my "brotherhood" of tribes and imprisoned them. I understand your outrage.

Please understand, in terms of the actual people who have the job of standing guard over Dr.Siddiqui, they are just doing their jobs. Its how they earn their money. Some people are evil creatures who need to be skinned and fried, and their are some who need our thanks for trying to provide as much respect as they are allowed. Dr.Siddiqui's life in prison will not be easy, especially as a Muslim woman who needs the protection of privacy in order to pray and preserve her honor...but in the eyes of the laws that judged her (right or wrong!)...there are certain limits that she will have to become accustomed to. Would your governments not do the same??

Pray that Creator eases her fears and forgives her for her inability to be and act as Creator has mandated. She herself said that she wishes that no violence occurs because of this verdict. ”I do not want any bloodshed. I do not want any misunderstanding. I really want to make peace and end the wars,” she said. http://zakiraah.wordpress.com/2010/09/23/86-year-us-jail-term-for-dr-siddiqui/

[Aapa]

Salaam,

You pose giood questions.

I pray this makes sense: no matter what your nationality is we have the burden of finding the truth. These matters are not a simple good guy versus bad guy. There are many Pakistanis who need to be filled with shame, too.

I can not teach you the truth. It is a personal journey. I can offer suggestions. Let us all try to uncover lies so no-one is oppressed.

[BrotherInIslam7]

@ Sister JenGiove

Firstly, you should realise that we have been following the plight of sister Aafia for a long time. This has been discussed far more among the muslim community around the globe, than the attention it has been give in the west.

Therefore, when you posted a wikipedia page that was filled with inaccurate facts and propaganda, I can see that it could potentially irk a lot of people who know her case and the allegation in far more detail. I think it would have been better, if you had reserved making a post/comment before you conversed yourself with her entire situation and her case.

As I mentioned earlier, even honest non muslim observers who are conversant with details of her arrest and the case levied against her, are asking for justice and the restoration of her civil rights. They too think it is outrageous for the govt/military to deny her rights and capture/torture her out of blind hate and prejudice.

The allegations against her are outrageous and it is sickening for any military might to imprison and brutally oppress a woman and level false charges against her to justify this injustice.

I would hope that we are all for justice. Even if it is our *own* people/government/military who is the oppressor. At this point, patriotism needs to be put aside and people need to feel sympathetic with the oppressed. I have no problems with anyone pointing fingers at the barbaric killings that my *own* country's military undertakes against the people of kashmir in addition to other atrocities. It doesn't matter to me that this is the country whose culture, history and economic/military might I am supposed to be proud of. Injustice at the end of the day is ruining lives of other people and snatching away their basic human rights of living in peace and in dignity.

I do not think it is anti american to start such threads or discuss such matters. If she was being held in Britain (see Faraj Hassan), then we would be talking about the injustice done by the British govt. I would go as far as saying, if it were in a Arab muslim country, the reaction wouldn't be any different.

Granted that people should not demonize anything and everything they hear about the US. But given the fact that in the past few years, the US govt has waged two wars killing thousands upon thousands innocent muslims (with or without intent), Abu Ghuraib, Guantanamo Bay, Blackwater etc etc (this list is not even close to completion) has demonstrated that the US govt. has paid no or little attention to treating the muslims in these lands (which is hardly discussed or covered on the US media unless there is a political controversy in relation to it).

Outwardly, the govt. might proclaim to have got rid of tyrants and inhumane, barbaric and backward governments. But look at the infrastructure these people have to live is ? Look at the new corrupt tyrants they have installed and the mass civil unrest in Iraq (look at this heartbreaking call from Baghdad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3db28FRxpM)) has come about. Look (http://turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71665) at these heart wrenching details that are uncovered from the battle zones.

All the above is posted not to hold the *common American* accountable, rather so that you can understand why you read thread upon thread of 'anti american' sentiment. If you would be reasonable, you would easily understand that these things lead to people always being doubtful and apprehensive about the intentions of the these western governments with relation to our muslim countries and muslim people.

Some of the members on this webforum are also bearing the consequences of such military campaigns. For example : Pakistan. They have Taliban forces at the door step of their major cities. They have people blowing up other people when they go out to shop or to pray at a mosque. They wake up to newspaper headlines of drone attacks killing 10-12 villagers (including children) in some parts of their country. I would only imagine that they have a right to question the actions of their government and the coalition forces for these calamities that they have to come across in their daily lives.

Yet all this is not reason to be prejudiced or show blind hate against any American who registers to this website to learn about the beauty of Islam. We have to treat such members as our guests, with kindness and respect.

And at this point, I would like to remind myself, my fellow muslim brothers and sisters to always be patient and understanding with our guests. To treat people with best manners is a teaching of our deen. So why let your emotion overcome you by you treating your guests in a way that would repel them from this website and from learning about Islam ?

With this, I think I should bring my post to an end. I hope this post serves it's purpose InshaAllah.

[a_stranger]

:salam2:

What Islam offers for humanity: treatment of prisioners;

Allah says in the Qur'ân: "And they feed from what they love for themselves the indigent, the orphan, and the prisoner of war, saying: 'We feed you for the sake of Allah. No reward do we desire from you nor thanks." [Sûrah al-Insân: 8-9] Allah has made taking care of enemy prisoners of war an act of worship that can bring the believer closer to Allah. When Allah says: "from what they love for themselves", He is showing us that it is not sufficient just to give them our surplus food, but to prefer them over ourselves and give them the best, even if we have a need for it ourselves.


"After the Battle of Badr, prisoners of war were brought. Among them was al-`Abbâs. He did not have a shirt on, so the Prophet (peace be upon him) looked for a shirt for him. It turned out that a shirt of `Abd Allah b. `Ubayy was the right size, so the Prophet gave it to al-`Abbâs to wear and compensated `Abdullah with his own shirt." [Al-Bukhârî (3008)] From this, we can see how Islam guarantees prisoners of war the right to decent clothes.


During the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him) there were no formal prisons. Sometimes a prisoner would be kept in the mosque, and sometimes they would be distributed among the believers to be kept in their homes.

They cannot be abused on account of the fact that they were fighting against muslems. Islamic Law does not command us to punish them for this reason. Prisoners of war were never subjected to punishments by the Muslims during the early generations of Muslims when Islam was strong and put into practice.


Copied from :

http://www.islamicboard.com/worship-islam/13747-rights-prisoners-war-islam.html

Torturing, raping.......assault of prisoners , impirisoning children or kidnapping them are plain crimes : those who done so should be punished If they are not punished now they will not escape in a coming day when all return to their Lord.

:wasalam:

[Valerie]

Assalamu'alaykum

This thread is about Dr 'Aafia Siddique; her barbaric imprisonment and the recent unjust verdict that has been passed by those who claim to be and portray themselves as the flagbearers of justice and human rights (America). If you have other grievances kindly take them elsewhere so as to not divert the main focus of the thread. Thanks.

This audio (http://kalamullah.com/Various%20Lectures/The%20Story%20of%20Dr%20Aafia%20Siddique.MP3) provides a useful overview for those who still don't know as much as they should about the case.

Yeah. I'll do that, but people shouldn't point fingers when they have 3 pointing back at themselves.

So, this thread is only about how much America sucks. Gotcha. If I don't agree, leave. Done.

[BrotherInIslam7]

Yeah. I'll do that, but people shouldn't point fingers when they have 3 pointing back at themselves.

So, this thread is only about how much America sucks. Gotcha. If I don't agree, leave. Done.

:salam2:

Sister Val,

If you have the time, please read my post. Maybe it would help you realize 'where most of us are coming from' a bit in relation to topics such as these.

This thread is about justice, not america. I hope your feelings aren't being hurt.

Have a nice day.

[al-fajr]

Assalamu'alaykum,

Yeah. I'll do that, but people shouldn't point fingers when they have 3 pointing back at themselves.

So, this thread is only about how much America sucks. Gotcha. If I don't agree, leave. Done.

No its about how torture (both physical and psychological), humiliation, opression, deception, unfair detention, shootings, rape and every other henious crime under the sun is wrong regardless of who is doing it, in this case it happens to be Americans who comitted most of the ones I listed! Just the reality of the situation Im afraid.

Did you read the following:

The allegations against her are outrageous and it is sickening for any military might to imprison and brutally oppress a woman and level false charges against her to justify this injustice.

I would hope that we are all for justice. Even if it is our *own* people/government/military who is the oppressor. At this point, patriotism needs to be put aside and people need to feel sympathetic with the oppressed. I have no problems with anyone pointing fingers at the barbaric killings that my *own* country's military undertakes against the people of kashmir in addition to other atrocities. It doesn't matter to me that this is the country whose culture, history and economic/military might I am supposed to be proud of. Injustice at the end of the day is ruining lives of other people and snatching away their basic human rights of living in peace and in dignity.

I do not think it is anti american to start such threads or discuss such matters. If she was being held in Britain (see Faraj Hassan), then we would be talking about the injustice done by the British govt. I would go as far as saying, if it were in a Arab muslim country, the reaction wouldn't be any different.

[dna1987]

Wikipedia is zionist-poisoned media - wouldn´t pay too much attention to its "information".

It is a Zionist poisoned media, but we should pay attention to it, because it is something that is open to everyone in the public and they can freely edit it.

There was another video posted here on TTI and on youtube, where a non-Muslim man was explaining how there is a 10,000-strong internet zionist army that puts a spin on events and historical facts all over the net, including wikipedia. There are many more Muslims, but we are too unorganised and slow to put together such a movement.

Not that you would ever believe anything that came from me....

http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home

If you feel there is wrong information on Wikipedia, then become a contributing member and correct the mistakes.

Yes, wikipedia is open to everyone and can the mistakes can be corrected by a contributing member. However, currently there is a lot of misinformation there (mainly on current political issues; the science stuff on wiki really isn't wrong), because of the reasons mentioned above.

[al-fajr]

An extract from Moazzem Begg's article (http://www.cageprisoners.com/our-work/opinion-editorial/item/623-pakistan-my-return-to-the-scene-of-the-crime-and-the-plight-of-aafia-siddiqui) on Dr Aafia:

Aafia Siddiqui

Despite all of this my primary reason for going to Pakistan was to assist in whatever little way I could to in the case of Aafia Siddiqui.

Waiting to collect our luggage near the exit at Karachi airport we could hear the sounds of a crowd gathered outside, but I didn’t know for what. As we walked out I realised it was for us. Hundreds of people had come to welcome us. It was overwhelming. They put so many flower garlands around my neck I that I was in a permanent nod. We were showered with rose petals, people shaking our hands and shouting more slogans than I can remember, except for one: “We want Aafia!”

After what seemed an age walking through the crowds we made it to the vehicles waiting to take us to some rally points. We drove through the packed streets of Karachi with a large convoy in tow, blasting on huge speakers songs about Aafia and American injustice. All along the way someone bellowed out on the loudspeakers that we had arrived, that Aafia, the daughter of the nation, must not be forgotten and that the shameless rulers were responsible for her continued ordeal. There were signs visible all over Karachi that say: DAUGHTERS NOT FOR SALE.

We arrived at a destination where both Yvonne and I were asked to address the people through the sunroof of the car, Benazir-style. Now, I’m no stranger giving speeches and rarely get nervous doing so but this was different. And, my very first speech out of a car, I realised, was also going to be my very first in Urdu.

I didn’t realise but people knew my story, especially as Yvonne had told them previously how she’d first heard about women in US custody from me and what I’d heard in Bagram.

After hearing Dr. Fawzia’s heartfelt thanks to the crowd for their support it was someone else’s turn to deliver his very first speech. We all listened in pin-drop silence as Ahmed Siddiqui, Aafia’s son, sat on the bonnet of the car and spoke of his determination to get his mother back. It was hard to fight back the tears.

Going to Aafia’s house and meeting her family was the most moving experience I’ve had in many years. Aafia’s mother, Ismet Siddiqui, embraced me like a son with tears in her eyes. At dinner she explained to me so many things I hadn’t comprehended properly: the levels to which the family has fought to get justice for Aafia, the love a mother has for a daughter whose dishevelled pictures she cannot even recognise have now become the iconic image of qaum ki beti (daughter of the nation). Ismet showed me the rooms where Aafia would have her friends over and described how she was loved by all who knew her. With the care of a mother but the heart of a believer whose faith is being tested she told me how she cannot bow her head to injustice or bear to hear the terrible predicament of her daughter. The light and joy she said have left the Siddiqui houselhold, even though overwhelming happiness was felt with the return of Aafia’s children, Mariam and Ahmed. No one even talks of Suleman to me, perhaps from fearing the worst.

Fawzia showed me pictures of Mariam distributing aid to the flood victims and Ahmed talked to me about his plans for the future. He’s one of these boys who always smiles, extremely respectful and dutiful. Only Allah and his loved ones know just how much he has had to bear. The thought is crushing. Fawzia also showed me one of Aafia’s headscarves that was ripped while is US custody, along with a Quran with English translation – all sent from the prison. Several of the pages are bookmarked and I read the underlined verses, trying to understand what may have been going through her mind when she did so. One of the many is from the chapter of the Prophets:23

He will not be questioned as to that which He does but they will be questioned. And verse 28:

He knows what is before them, and what is behind them, and they offer no intercession except for those who are acceptable, and they stand in awe and reverence of His (glory).

Sentencing the 'daughter of the nation'

Although I returned to the Siddiqui household the following day for more press engagements I was hoping that we really might get to hear, somehow, that everyone has relented and that Aafia will be coming home, before the sentence. The government did announce officially that they had requested Aafia’s repatriation from the Americans but, we all knew that all real efforts for repatriation could only begin after sentencing.

I went on to give more press conferences in Lahore and Islamabad contrasting Aafia’s case with some of the released Guantanamo prisoners who include Bin Laden bodyguards and senior Taliban ministers. How is it that Aafia is still there? I cast great doubt too on the US version of events in her case, stating that in over nine years of US detentions around the world no strong, committed al-Qaida or Taliban man has yet once managed to acquire a firearm from a US soldier, how did Aafia manage such a fait accompli?

And now, Aafia has been sentenced in a US court to a term of 86 years for the attempted murder of a US soldier in Afghanistan. Thousands of US soldiers have been killed or wounded in Afghanistan and yet no one has been taken to the US to be charged with their killing. What is it about Aafia they fear so much?

During an interview with Binyam Mohamed last year I showed him a photograph of Aafia and asked him if she was the same woman he and the others had seen in Bagram. He confirmed that she was one and the same. Yvonne Ridley presented this evidence and much more regarding the inconsistencies of the alleged shooting in her film In Search of Prisoner 650. None of this eye-witness testimony was accepted by the US courts during the trial of Aafia Siddiqui.

At the sentencing, Judge Berman praised Aafia’s attitude in calling for calm and ended by telling her that she had the right to file an appeal. She replied simply by saying, “I appeal to God and he hears me.”

Today, the streets of Pakistan literally burn for the return of its daughter. Every Pakistani leader – secular or religious – has called for the repatriation of Dr. Aafia Siddiqui. Her antagonists may not have intended it but through their violations of her rights she has become the daughter of the nation – the daughter of the ummah. And that ummah will not rest until she is home.

Can this thread please be a sticky..

[JenGiove]

Yeah. I'll do that, but people shouldn't point fingers when they have 3 pointing back at themselves.

So, this thread is only about how much America sucks. Gotcha. If I don't agree, leave. Done.

Sister Valerie,

I have felt the same but since I am not Muslim, my voice goes unheard. Have you not noticed that there are far fewer threads about the wonderful deeds that Muslims have done or are doing in comparison to how aweful America is? Especially in the news and current events forum? Maybe I should post the news story about Muslims bombing a Mosque or the public caning of a Malaysian woman for being in possession of a single beer....thousands of people witness to it.

...but I'm not allowed. Its in the rules.

[Aapa]

Salaam,

Where do I start.

No this thread is not about how America sucks. Most have not been here to make that assessment. The kidnapping and torture and farce of a trial was a multinational operation.
It is very safe to make comments behind a computer screen. Do not take them to heart.

This is not the purpose of TTI.

The process at arriving at independent thought requires hard work; and leaves no room for opinion.

This is yet another case of many jumping on the bandwagon. I am frustrated. I have written enough posts that were ignored and now the self-righteous are preaching.

[BrotherInIslam7]

Sister Valerie,

I have felt the same but since I am not Muslim, my voice goes unheard. Have you not noticed that there are far fewer threads about the wonderful deeds that Muslims have done or are doing in comparison to how aweful America is? Especially in the news and current events forum? Maybe I should post the news story about Muslims bombing a Mosque or the public caning of a Malaysian woman for being in possession of a single beer....thousands of people witness to it.

...but I'm not allowed. Its in the rules.

Well, since your posts are appearing on this webforum regarding your displeasure about us portraying America negatively. Therefore, your voice is certainly not going unheard. You are just not receiving responses that are favorable to your viewpoint/opinion.

This thread is not about how awful America is and it has been mentioned over and over by several posters. However, it seems to upset you that your govt. is being portrayed in a negative light.

I would agree with you that the other members need to be open minded and courteous to members who may have different (or opposite) ideas. However, I don't think posting about topics close to our hearts is any wrong. And we do care about our imprisoned/persecuted brothers and sisters around the world.

And we have had threads about mosque bombings, imams jailed, houseworker maltreatment among many others criticizing muslim govts as well. So I find it puzzling that you think that we have a bias on this forum.

[JenGiove]

BrotherInIslam, and alllll the brothers and sisters here,

I have never once said that I condone the actions of what happened to her. I have only posted other links regarding her case, yet, because they are from the "Zionist controlled media who are nothing more that puppets" of my country, they are dismissed and I am scoffed at. Please tell me how this is kind treatment?

Sister Aapa,
You have been gracious to me in the past so I will respond to you privately about this matter. Today I happen to be very busy and I want to be able to use examples and thought, so please bare with me.

[Aapa]

Salaam walaikum,

The respondents on this forum do have many bias. We are sometimes very short on being gracious to others.
Many have stopped thinking. Many confuse the govenment with the people of the United States; I do not see anyone being so rigid with the nasty nations of the UK or other European countries.
I have had members ask to close my posts because they did not like the tone of my post; nothing to do with the truth.

Islam is the faith of Love and Peace. It by definition has to be more tolerant. Many members are making this forum and Islam an exclusive country club.

We need to be more humble.

[BrotherInIslam7]

BrotherInIslam, and alllll the brothers and sisters here,

I have never once said that I condone the actions of what happened to her. I have only posted other links regarding her case, yet, because they are from the "Zionist controlled media who are nothing more that puppets" of my country, they are dismissed and I am scoffed at. Please tell me how this is kind treatment?




Yes, I agree with you on that. We should be more tolerant of members who post information that is contrary to what is mentioned on the thread. And ofcourse, we should treat others with good manners and tone down our responses so that they don't offend at whom the reply is directed.

Western media does look at most issues from the perspective of western governments (or western politics) and at times we muslims are misrepresented or maligned just for being 'muslims'.

A common example of this being occupied Palestinian territories being referred to as 'Jewish settlements', which sits well with AIPAC and other pro-Israel lobbyists.

[Aapa]

Salaam,

Sometimes we forget that our perspective is alien to the traditional viewpoints. When we divorce ourselves from the mainstream media we discover a brand new world. At first it is frightening. I recall being very angry. I spent a decade in anger.
However, education takes time and we have to use kidd gloves when we assist others in seeing things from this unique prespective. Also given the constantly changing nature of membership we have to step back and provide background information.
This is the case with Dr. Siddiqui. Dr. Siddiqui's plight is one of millions. Yes, millions. We see from her case that international law has no function. It is just a dead body.
She will be rewarded by Allah subhana talla. We can write to her and on her behalf. Our actions are important to prevent others from being abused as she is.

[JenGiove]

Yes, I agree with you on that. We should be more tolerant of members who post information that is contrary to what is mentioned on the thread. And of course, we should treat others with good manners and tone down our responses so that they don't offend at whom the reply is directed.

Brother,

That is all that I am asking. Truly. I don't think I purposely posted anything in the attempt to refute any claims made here, only to help clarify legal statues/laws (as they are supposed to work...) because unless you actually live here, you can't know all the little nooks and crannies. I've never said that American law and/or government is perfect. While justice is supposed to be blind, just look at the statue of her, the humans that interpret the law are not. Does that mean that injustice does not happen? No. Injustice happens to every group, race, creed, belief. Does that give anyone the right to treat another with anything but civility simply because of being _______________? I do not think that way. I find it vile and insulting.



Western media does look at most issues from the perspective of western governments (or western politics) and at times we Muslims are misrepresented or maligned just for being 'Muslims'.

That's true....with any media. Events are seen, and reported from the perspective of the person viewing it. No media is going to be completely impartial.....

....and is it too hard a stretch to think that maybe, just maybe, there is a part of America that is judged unfairly...simply because it is "American" Why is it that anything with American roots is foul while anything Muslim is not? Even Muslims aren't perfect.

How bright is the light of truth....if none of us can bare to look into the mirror and see the wrinkles on our own faces?

I hold no opinions on Dr.Siddiqui other than the fact that it would have been cool to be able to say, "She was my doctor!". I also hold no opinion on my own government's treatment/mistreatment of her.

Shall I share with you the story of Leonard Peltier? Look him up and then tell me that I have no basis for sympathy for the feelings shared here.

Salam...

[sister harb]

:salam2:

If you like to tell the story of another person, in this case this Leonard Peltier, then please do it in some other thread. This is about unjustice against Dr. Siddiqui.

With all my respect to every members here, I still follow this thread because I hope to know more about destiny of Dr. Siddiqui, not how some member reacts to way how some other member has commented his/her comments.

Thanks.

[samiha]

Assalamu ‘alaykum

I know I'm a bit late on the bandwagon but from the very onset of hearing this news I was shocked. It’s appalling and sick really. And although I may be an American, it doesn’t stop me from saying that this was unjust and unfounded.

Because in all honesty, it’s not about being Pro-American or Anti-American … it’s about being human. If one does not question nor look into the cases of injustice or oppression, or feels nothing but passivity to it, then I question their humanity. Not just in the case of America and its terrorism – but throughout the world. Be it in Congo, Bosnia, Algeria, China etc… oppression is rampant and in each case we should take a definitive side against it.

In this case it’s not even about being a Muslim or not, since even many who are not Muslim have recognized the injustice which has been ongoing and promoted by our government. And I think this is something which has to be recognized and understood.

Becoming blind sheep, following where led, not looking into the reality of affairs and indulging only in our own problems thinking that it is the extent of our responsibility is simply selfish and self-centered in my opinion. Even if we cannot do anything to combat things which are wrong, the least we should do is acknowledge it as being wrong. Turning a blind eye to it, devalues that human life. And if we stoop so low as to devalue another human life – have we not in essence devalued our own?

And claiming ignorance is pleading an empty excuse. An excuse not to know. If we are ignorant, then I think it is our duty to some extent to find out and see what the truth is - or may be. America was propounded to be the supporters of liberty – but if our representing government does otherwise, then by all means I will denounce it and say that we no longer stand for that. In the name of ‘liberation’ and ‘freedom’ America has done so many inhumane and unjust things throughout time. Not to say other countries have not, they have, and each should be condemned for that – but as an American I only speak of this country. In countless periods we’ve boasted as a nation to have a ‘moral superiority’ and shown a disregard of rules, perhaps in favor of that morality scale which we judge by. And through that have oppressed many people in many lands with utter disregard.

It’s our responsibility to remove ourselves from that, and be understanding of ‘anti-American’ sentiments. It may seem sad or pathetic, but that’s what we’ve been reduced to. I will myself attest to goodness in many Americans – but in America? As the face of a nation is represented by our government and many of its institutions --- I don’t know if I can defend it.

The following might be a bit off topic – but I think it ties into the general topic of understanding some of the realities behind the government – and realizing it’s not as clear cut as we’d imagine, and justice is often not served.

These excerpts are taken from a book released called, “The Guantanamo Lawyers” which brings to light narratives of lawyers who actually represented detainees in Guantanamo Bay. If anyone is inclined to be the least bit skeptical in what the media and other 3rd parties claim about these people then I’d encourage reading this book to read of the actual occurrences and first hand reports. It’s written by Americans and thus has no “Anti-American” sentiments at all, but presents facts as they are and shows that things that many of us may stand for and believe in are not necessarily what our government embodies.

At Guantanamo, though, our notes actually play a special role because of the farcical rules imposed on us by our government and our courts. The rule is that everything our imprisoned clients tell us is presumed to be classified – a secret that, if revealed, would endanger the national security of the United States, a secret that, if we tell anyone else without a security clearance and without a “need to know,” will subject us to draconian penalties, including felony imprisonment. At Guantanamo, you’re talking to men whom our government has collectively demonized as the “worst of the worst” without ever proving any such thing. For more than two and a half years, the U.S. government even managed to keep their very identities secret. The government did this because it’s hard to feel bad about holding supposedly dangerous men you can’t see or hear and whose names you don’t even know.

So notes for lawyers at Guantanamo are our first tool for making our clients into real people… Otherwise, the horrible, the fascinating, the mundane, the desperate things the men at Guantanamo have to say – which have nothing to do with our national security – remain secrets.

Matthew O’Hara – pgs 119 - 120

What stays with me the most about Guantanamo was how so much of what occurred there simply made me laugh – oftentimes inappropriately so, whether ironically, bitterly, sardonically, or otherwise. Yet I could not avoid that reaction. Whether because of the surrealism, the absurdity, the hypocrisy, the capriciousness, or maybe because some events were just plain funny. Maybe it was a defense mechanism, constituting the only alternative to anger and frustration, to the helplessness we experienced when confronted by a system – more accurately a human laboratory – designed and implemented to break human beings physically, emotionally, psychologically, and culturally. Maybe it was because Guantanamo represented such an alternate universe that what occurred there lacked any foundation in the “real” world, and it could be viewed as amusing without significant consequences.

Of course, there were consequences, for real persons absorbing real pain and punishment. But parsing out the wry parts enabled me to move forward in my mission – representing and defending my client – rather than becoming immobilized by the injustice, intolerance, and insensitivity to ordinary human interaction that GTMO embodied.
Joshua L. Dratel - pg 131

Being an attorney for a person who is being held without charge for an indefinite period is pretty miserable. On some days, it is even heartbreaking. Most days I find myself frustrated because trying to do my best is not good enough, and I have the added burden of trying to help keep my clients sane through it all.
H. Candace Gorman – pg 135

Aziz’s right leg ached. When he lifted his tan pant leg to show me, I saw the hard, beige-toned plastic, a white sneaker laced at the bottom. The leg widened upward into a black-banded shank, ending in soft rubber that fit against his skin.

His lower right leg, the real one, had blown off in a land-mine explosion in Kashmir in 2001. He was brought to a hospital in Lahore, Pakistan to recover. The doctors there gave him a good lightweight prosthetics stamped “Made in Germany.” It fit him well, and he had learned to walk with it. At the U.S. military base in Bagram, Afghanistan, a beating by U.S. soldiers left it broken, cracked down the side.

“The interrogators here said they would fix it,” explained Aziz, who was meeting with us for the first time. “But after they took it away, they said they would not give it back until I confessed. I would have confessed to anything to get my leg back, but I didn’t know what they wanted me to say. For months I went without a leg. Finally, they gave me this one. It’s too long and heavy, too hard to walk with, and they don’t give me new socks to cover up my stump when the old ones wear out.”

Aziz pulled the stump out to show us, leaving the prosthetic leg and its shoe still shacked to the floor, alongside the good leg. As I looked at what remained of his right leg, I knew I had come to the heart of a new kind of irony.
Ellen Lubel – pgs 138 – 139

And that’s a tame story by far. I know it might disillusion some to know the truth, it even shocked me… but how can we not believe in something when it’s not one or two people reporting injustice at the hands of our government – but hundreds?! And this was only one of our institutions…

I believe the whole book is online at this link – and if one wants to read further on it, and stories of real people in it, then it is available to do so. Such as this account – Letter from Tawfiq II (http://books.google.com/books?id=kWzPGjsArtYC&lpg=PA88&ots=BjHXKTVjZs&dq=george%20M.%20Clarke%20letter%20from%20tawfiq&pg=PA229#v=onepage&q&f=false)(warning – some parts are a bit graphic).

There are many Americans who can only be commended, as well as many Muslims living in America who have known no other land and shouldn’t be criticized for their nationality – but I think we have to understand that yes – America was and has been wrong. And because of the severity of it, the utter lack and disregard of morality of some of those wrongs – we’ve given a reason for many people to hate us. I mean if these atrocities happened to your father, your son, your mother or daughter - how would you feel about the country responsible for it? It might not be our duty to apologize, but it is a given we must understand.

I think even greater than what we know about Dr. Aafia Siddiqui (may Allaah bless her and ease her difficulties) is what we don’t know, and perhaps never will. There are many unanswered questions – but what stands out is that there have been no attempts at answers. She was only convicted by the shooting, but what of the disappearance and imprisonment before that? What happened to her then? What’s to take account of that? And however gracious she was about it – it is undeniable how disproportionate her sentence is. Even actual murderers get less – much rather someone who missed!

In the end, this world was not built for true justice, and only on the Day of Judgement will every truth and injustice be rightly put in its place and accounted for. I’m sorry for being long-winded, and I apologize if I have seemed critical in my words. They are not directed to anyone, but general thoughts I’ve had myself and have come to conclude.

Allaah knows best

wasalaamu ‘alaykum

[a_stranger]

وَلاَ تَحْسَبَنَّ اللّهَ غَافِلاً عَمَّا يَعْمَلُ الظَّالِمُونَ إِنَّمَا يُؤَخِّرُهُمْ لِيَوْمٍ تَشْخَصُ فِيهِ الأَبْصَارُ (14:42)

14:42 (Y. Ali) Think not that Allah doth not heed the deeds of those who do wrong. He but giveth them respite against a Day when the eyes will fixedly stare in horror,-


مُهْطِعِينَ مُقْنِعِي رُءُوسِهِمْ لاَ يَرْتَدُّ إِلَيْهِمْ طَرْفُهُمْ وَأَفْئِدَتُهُمْ هَوَاء (14:43)

14:43 (Y. Ali) They running forward with necks outstretched, their heads uplifted, their gaze returning not towards them, and their hearts a (gaping) void!


وَأَنذِرِ النَّاسَ يَوْمَ يَأْتِيهِمُ الْعَذَابُ فَيَقُولُ الَّذِينَ ظَلَمُواْ رَبَّنَا أَخِّرْنَا إِلَى أَجَلٍ قَرِيبٍ نُّجِبْ دَعْوَتَكَ وَنَتَّبِعِ الرُّسُلَ أَوَلَمْ تَكُونُواْ أَقْسَمْتُم مِّن قَبْلُ مَا لَكُم مِّن زَوَالٍ (14:44)


14:44 (Y. Ali) So warn mankind of the Day when the Wrath will reach them: then will the wrong-doers say: "Our Lord! respite us (if only) for a short term: we will answer Thy call, and follow the apostles!" "What! were ye not wont to swear aforetime that ye should suffer no decline?


وَسَكَنتُمْ فِي مَسَـاكِنِ الَّذِينَ ظَلَمُواْ أَنفُسَهُمْ وَتَبَيَّنَ لَكُمْ كَيْفَ فَعَلْنَا بِهِمْ وَضَرَبْنَا لَكُمُ الأَمْثَالَ (14:45)

14:45 (Y. Ali) "And ye dwelt in the dwellings of men who wronged their own souls; ye were clearly shown how We dealt with them; and We put forth (many) parables in your behoof!"




وَقَدْ مَكَرُواْ مَكْرَهُمْ وَعِندَ اللّهِ مَكْرُهُمْ وَإِن كَانَ مَكْرُهُمْ لِتَزُولَ مِنْهُ الْجِبَالُ (14:46)

14:46 (Y. Ali) Mighty indeed were the plots which they made, but their plots were (well) within the sight of Allah, even though they were such as to shake the hills!




فَلاَ تَحْسَبَنَّ اللّهَ مُخْلِفَ وَعْدِهِ رُسُلَهُ إِنَّ اللّهَ عَزِيزٌ ذُو انْتِقَامٍ (14:47)

14:47 (Y. Ali) Never think that Allah would fail his apostles in His promise: for Allah is Exalted in power, - the Lord of Retribution.


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يَوْمَ تُبَدَّلُ الأَرْضُ غَيْرَ الأَرْضِ وَالسَّمَاوَاتُ وَبَرَزُواْ للّهِ الْوَاحِدِ الْقَهَّارِ (14:48)
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14:48 (Y. Ali) One day the earth will be changed to a different earth, and so will be the heavens, and (men) will be marshalled forth, before Allah, the One, the Irresistible;


وَتَرَى الْمُجْرِمِينَ يَوْمَئِذٍ مُّقَرَّنِينَ فِي الأَصْفَادِ (14:49)

14:49 (Y. Ali) And thou wilt see the sinners that day bound together in fetters;-

سَرَابِيلُهُم مِّن قَطِرَانٍ وَتَغْشَى وُجُوهَهُمْ النَّارُ (14:50)

14:50 (Y. Ali) Their garments of liquid pitch, and their faces covered with Fire;


لِيَجْزِي اللّهُ كُلَّ نَفْسٍ مَّا كَسَبَتْ إِنَّ اللّهَ سَرِيعُ الْحِسَابِ (14:51)

14:51 (Y. Ali) That Allah may requite each soul according to its deserts; and verily Allah is swift in calling to account.


هَـذَا بَلاَغٌ لِّلنَّاسِ وَلِيُنذَرُواْ بِهِ وَلِيَعْلَمُواْ أَنَّمَا هُوَ إِلَـهٌ وَاحِدٌ وَلِيَذَّكَّرَ أُوْلُواْ الأَلْبَابِ (14:52)

14:52 (Y. Ali) Here is a Message for mankind: Let them take warning therefrom, and let them know that He is (no other than) One Allah. let men of understanding take heed.

[a_stranger]

Islam builds a living conscience in each human by loveing Allah(God): the creator of all , hope for Paradise and fear of hell.This living conscience stops many unjustice that is done because of ignorance and arrogance.

Heaven and Hell are reward systems created byAllah( God). if you do good actions then you receive your rewards. If you do bad actions then you receive your rewards. The wisdom of creating Paradise and hell is to keep a balance on earth.
As paradise is a result of good, hell is the result of bad. Balanced.

When the balance is absent from minds of people then torture, injustice, barbaric imprisonment .......etc.take place.

[Fatima_ahmad]

Very sad to hear about Dr.Aafia case.well so sad