Solution: Turkish Islamic Union

[ahmetsecer]

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[queenislam]

:bismillah:
:salam2:

Sad and tragic view!

~May Allah swt help and shower blesses upon all muslim~Amin!

Thank you for sharing and link, brother.
~May Allah swt reward you tremendously~Amin!

Thank you,
Take Care!

~Wassalam.

[dna1987]

Assalam alaikum.

I like the idea of an "Islamic Union". I don't understand why "Turkish" has to be in the title too.

[Islam!!yay]

:salam2:


I agree with the above post. I like the idea of an Islamic Union But why Turkish ? Just because its more modern than other muslim countries ? Isnt Turkey an all out Secular nation that doesnt allow women to wear hijabs in government buildings ?

[safiya58]

Assalam alaikum.

I like the idea of an "Islamic Union". I don't understand why "Turkish" has to be in the title too.

:salam2:
because the turks have the power...! Turkey is the only muslim country which was not occupied because turks did not accept the occupation like others... they fought against it!
:wasalam:

[elysetexel]

Very sad to see all these pictures, the world is going insane.

Islamic is good, but I hope not that there will be another group that wants to underpress people again like as in Afganistan.

Why Turkey? They forbid women to wear Hijab in perticular building. Iam not sure if they have the power.
Then I would say the United Arabian Emirates.

But I rather say, let's all do well and enter Jannah!!!!!

Alhamdullilah!

[safiya58]

:salam2:

The UAE... yessss for sure!!!! See the proplem with the arab nations is that they have nothing to say.... cuz they are like the puppets of the US...!!!

I´m not saying this because a part of me is turkish but the turks have much more self-confidence as a nation what makes them courages!

You guys critisize turkey because of its secular ism.... but which country supports the US occupation against Iraq.... it is the sharia ruled(!) Saudi Arabia!!!! ok banning the hijab of gowernment buildings is haram.... but supporting an unjust war and beeing jointly responsible for the death of many civilians is not haram...?

turkey has one of the strongest armies world wide and they have the strongest task forces worldwide called "bordo bereliler".

so if there is a union then turkey is qualified to be the leader of it!

:wasalam:

[elysetexel]

:salam2:

The UAE... yessss for sure!!!! See the proplem with the arab nations is that they have nothing to say.... cuz they are like the puppets of the US...!!!

I´m not saying this because a part of me is turkish but the turks have much more self-confidence as a nation what makes them courages!

You guys critisize turkey because of its secular ism.... but which country supports the US occupation against Iraq.... it is the sharia ruled(!) Saudi Arabia!!!! ok banning the hijab of gowernment buildings is haram.... but supporting an unjust war and beeing jointly responsible for the death of many civilians is not haram...?

turkey has one of the strongest armies world wide and they have the strongest task forces worldwide called "bordo bereliler".

so if there is a union then turkey is qualified to be the leader of it!

:wasalam:

I agree with you, but I think discussing about who will lead isn't very right. Because the only one who leads is Allah and He knows best. He'll show us what will happen.

ma al salama

[Abu Talib]

:salam2:

The UAE... yessss for sure!!!! See the proplem with the arab nations is that they have nothing to say.... cuz they are like the puppets of the US...!!!

I´m not saying this because a part of me is turkish but the turks have much more self-confidence as a nation what makes them courages!

You guys critisize turkey because of its secular ism.... but which country supports the US occupation against Iraq.... it is the sharia ruled(!) Saudi Arabia!!!! ok banning the hijab of gowernment buildings is haram.... but supporting an unjust war and beeing jointly responsible for the death of many civilians is not haram...?

turkey has one of the strongest armies world wide and they have the strongest task forces worldwide called "bordo bereliler".

so if there is a union then turkey is qualified to be the leader of it!

:wasalam:

:salam2:
Atleast Saudi does not have Pubs and Disc like Turkey. If the Saudi supported US occupation forces then what about Ataturk who allied with the Kuffar and abolished the Khilafah.

[safiya58]

:salam2:

well I could say something to that... and after may the thread would be closed....!!!!

you´ve got an oppinion! But you´ve no clue! I´ll not continue this discussion because it makes no sense....

I´ll let you in your believe..... Allah knows all best....!!!!

:wasalam:

[Abu Talib]

:wasalam:

Well you could have thought before mentioning Saudi. What I mentioned are Facts not opinions

[safiya58]

:salam2:

I have no problem with saudis or arabs in general.... and hey... better late than never...!!!

yes keep on hating turkey.... it will bring you so much further in life.....

:wasalam:

[Abu Talib]

:salam2:


No one is hating it but yes if some one says the following


The UAE... yessss for sure!!!! See the proplem with the arab nations is that they have nothing to say.... cuz they are like the puppets of the US...!!!

but which country supports the US occupation against Iraq.... it is the sharia ruled(!) Saudi Arabia!!!! ok banning the hijab of gowernment buildings is haram.... but supporting an unjust war and beeing jointly responsible for the death of many civilians is not haram...?

I would also sure love to say some hatred too

[safiya58]

:salam2:
sorry but it is not my fault that the arabs are like that.....!!!! it is fact... if you like or not!!!

See there are people in faluja/Iraq they are arabs too....and they are men! and I´ve no problem to honor them because they deserv it.... but the rest......

:wasalam:

[noor aldeen]

Sad and tragic view!

~May Allah swt help and shower blesses upon all muslim~Amin!

Thank you for sharing and link, brother.
~May Allah swt reward you tremendously~Amin!

[Abdul25]

:salam2:

The UAE... yessss for sure!!!! See the proplem with the arab nations is that they have nothing to say.... cuz they are like the puppets of the US...!!!

I´m not saying this because a part of me is turkish but the turks have much more self-confidence as a nation what makes them courages!

You guys critisize turkey because of its secular ism.... but which country supports the US occupation against Iraq.... it is the sharia ruled(!) Saudi Arabia!!!! ok banning the hijab of gowernment buildings is haram.... but supporting an unjust war and beeing jointly responsible for the death of many civilians is not haram...?

turkey has one of the strongest armies world wide and they have the strongest task forces worldwide called "bordo bereliler".

so if there is a union then turkey is qualified to be the leader of it!

:wasalam:

:salam2:

completely agree with you sister.. people are always ranting turkey is secular turkey is that turkey is this, but i say to them out of 50 muslim countries , turkey is the only one developed country who has its economy progressing one rate of 6% of GDP for the last 10 years and its economy is without oil. another thing turkey is the only country to have given Israel a real tough time, it s military has the latest planes and very good equipped, so what if turkey has separated religion and politics , it least it doesn't suppress people, and about pubs and bars, people who wanna drink also drink in saudi also and people who dont wanna drink also dont drink even in country like Germany. so this is baseless. at least it is developing , and what if it's government is secular, it's people are muslims and every body is allowed to practice it's religion and dont make a big fuss about hijab and those things, turkey should allow it but i doesn't , this time it makes a mistake but it is not a big deal. at least like many muslim countries turkey doesn't drive its economy on aid from western countries.people dont like ataturk but i like him because he made changes that brought turkey to this level not like our leaders who in the name of islam has devastated the country.

i ma from Pakistan but i love turkey and it s people and its government..at least they live with honor not like us licking western feet to get some aid or depending on oil which is gonna finish very soon to survive
and about khilafa, i would say , thats a impossible, you can dream but you can never achieve in foreseeable future, muslims dont have unity, in our country alone, one locality has 5 mosques, do it is better to think about progress rather than living in a dream which is never gonna come true..

:wasalam:

[dna1987]

:salam2:
because the turks have the power...! Turkey is the only muslim country which was not occupied because turks did not accept the occupation like others... they fought against it!
:wasalam:

Well, how about a Nigerian Islamic Union? Now, seeing the Turks, Arabs and the Pakistani/Indian/Bangali Muslims being lead by Nigeria would be great in my opinion. But I'm sure you'll find a hundred excuses straight away why Nigeria, or a Nigerian man, would not be suitable to lead an Islamic Union.

Honestly, having a national identity is all fine and dandy. But forcing your national title over other people's heads will never, ever work. Ever. The only thing that could possibly unite such a diverse range of people from Indonesia to the centre of Africa, seen on the map above, is the religion of Islam. Nothing else will.

If you're a Turk living in Germany, then you have nothing in common with me. Zero. Zilch. Sifr. I wouldn't care one tiny bit about you. But if you are a Turk living in Germany, and you're a Muslim, then all of a sudden, we can have a conversation. We have something very important in common. Not because you're Turkish, but because we both believe in Allah.

An Islamic Union will only work if the union is based on the commonness of Islam only. Not the superiority of one country over the other, or one race over the other. If the Turkish government can lead this Islamic world into such a union, it will be great. If they want to call it a "Turkish Islamic Union" though, I guarantee you, it won't work.

Assalam alaikum.

[Abu Talib]

:salam2:

completely agree with you sister.. people are always ranting turkey is secular turkey is that turkey is this, but i say to them out of 50 muslim countries , turkey is the only one developed country who has its economy progressing one rate of 6% of GDP for the last 10 years and its economy is without oil. another thing turkey is the only country to have given Israel a real tough time, it s military has the latest planes and very good equipped, so what if turkey has separated religion and politics , it least it doesn't suppress people, and about pubs and bars, people who wanna drink also drink in saudi also and people who dont wanna drink also dont drink even in country like Germany. so this is baseless. at least it is developing , and what if it's government is secular, it's people are muslims and every body is allowed to practice it's religion and dont make a big fuss about hijab and those things, turkey should allow it but i doesn't , this time it makes a mistake but it is not a big deal. at least like many muslim countries turkey doesn't drive its economy on aid from western countries.people dont like ataturk but i like him because he made changes that brought turkey to this level not like our leaders who in the name of islam has devastated the country.

i ma from Pakistan but i love turkey and it s people and its government..at least they live with honor not like us licking western feet to get some aid or depending on oil which is gonna finish very soon to survive
and about khilafa, i would say , thats a impossible, you can dream but you can never achieve in foreseeable future, muslims dont have unity, in our country alone, one locality has 5 mosques, do it is better to think about progress rather than living in a dream which is never gonna come true..

:wasalam:

:salam2:
You forgot Malaysia..
Wow you like someone who said "Islam, this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives."

[mezeren]

:salam2:

The UAE... yessss for sure!!!! See the proplem with the arab nations is that they have nothing to say.... cuz they are like the puppets of the US...!!!

I´m not saying this because a part of me is turkish but the turks have much more self-confidence as a nation what makes them courages!

You guys critisize turkey because of its secular ism.... but which country supports the US occupation against Iraq.... it is the sharia ruled(!) Saudi Arabia!!!! ok banning the hijab of gowernment buildings is haram.... but supporting an unjust war and beeing jointly responsible for the death of many civilians is not haram...?

turkey has one of the strongest armies world wide and they have the strongest task forces worldwide called "bordo bereliler".

so if there is a union then turkey is qualified to be the leader of it!

:wasalam:


:salam2:

it does not matter if the leader of muslim ummah will be an arab or turk or a chinese.As long as the nation and its leader deserves it i will follow them.

As muslims we should not take pride of our nationality over our religion.And we should not judge our brothers and sisters in islam for their governers.We know that almost all muslim countries on earth are governed by some kind of dictatorship and that does not mean that muslims who live under such rulers are happy about it.

i am sure most of my arab brothers and sisters want this tyranny to end.But for the time being it is not possible.it is for sure that Saudi kings,Mubarak ragime in Egypt and others in the region in bed with usa and israel but i do not think for a second that majority of muslims there approve what their rulers do.

it was the same for Turkey until the year 2002 when AK party was elected.Since then,things are changing gradually.Before that,the goverments had been pro-israel and u.s.a. but the majority of people were not.

i think we should try to be a better muslim and leave the rest to Allah.He(c.c) knows who to choose among which society.And our duty would be to follow the leader of ummah regardless of his nationality.

By the way,the Turkish army(high ranking officers,i mean) is among the most corrapt one in the world,and they are taught and brainwashed to hate islam and muslims at their schools.Most of them simply follow the kemalist doctrine and love ataturk more than they love Allah and His Massenger(a.s.).

There are a lot to say about ataturk but to sum it up in one sentence ;he was an enemy of islam,period.

Mind you,i am a Turk.

[safiya58]

:salam2:

well first of all I´m a muslim first... and that makes me more proud than any other thing else!!!!

@Korai_28 thank you. I love all muslims too. also non-muslims. To critisize someone does not mean you don´t like this someone... but people just don´t get it!!!

@dna1987 no why should I have a problem with it if a nigerian becomes our ruler... if he is qualified! I´m not forcing my national title upon anyone... what are you talking about...????

@mezeren I´ve got family members there in turkey they are in the turkish millitary... and gues what they are muslims and proud of it! They don´t hate Islam....

and stop with these excuses... everything is possible!!! you are a muslim? you are a turk too? then you should know that...!!!!

noone thought that Islam will be spread at the beginning when the prophet (saw) called people to Islam... and the muslims where are minority to that time and had no power at all... I indicate to surah al fath!

noone believed it is possible that fatih sultan mehmet will conquer Istanbul... but he has!!!!


:wasalam:

[revert2007]

Assalamualikum.

Sources from Quran & Hadith
For Creating The Islamic State / Ummah

We must give up the idea of nationalism because it is exactly what is dividing us. Quran says not to be divided, and several hadeeth talk against the disease of nationalism. Is the word of Allah and the messenger of Allah not enough for us ? If we take a look at current problems of Ummah, among other problems, it is obvious that we're divided, and therefore weak.


Q.3:103 "And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allâh (i.e. this Qur'ân), and be not divided among yourselves, and remember Allâh's Favour on you, for you were enemies one to another but He joined your hearts together, so that, by His Grace, you became brethren (in Islâmic Faith), and you were on the brink of a pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus Allâh makes His Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.,) clear to you, that you may be guided."


Q.3:105"And be not as those who divided and differed among themselves after the clear proofs had come to them. It is they for whom there is an awful torment."


Q.6:159"Verily, those who divide their religion and break up into sects (all kinds of religious sects), you (O Muhammad SAW) have no concern in them in the least. Their affair is only with Allâh, Who then will tell them what they used to do."

Q.23:52: "And verily this Ummah of yours IS A SINGLE UMMAH and I am your Lord and Cherisher: Therefore Fear Me (and no other)."

Q.23:53: "But people have cut off their affair (of unity), between them, into sects: Each party rejoices in that which is with itself."

Q.30:32"Those who SPLIT up their religion, and become mere sects each party rejoicing in that which is with itself!"

Q.42:13: "......that ye should remain steadfast in religion and make no DIVISIONS therein..... "

Q.49:13 "O Men, We created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may KNOW one another (NOT THAT YOU MAY DESPISE EACH OTHER)."

Q.30:22 "And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. Verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge."

Lets analyze, and see what the Quran's verses quoted above are all about.

The verses above are ordering and warning us not to be divided, split up, or form sects out of the religion. We're created into so many different beautiful races, and cultures so that we KNOW each other, NOT get divided into many different countries, etc. Nationalism is also a way of disuniting the UMMAH. As currently seen in the world, we are over FIFTY-FIVE MUSLIM COUNTRIES AND GROWING ! There should only be ONE Muslim country (Khilafah).


Quran CLEARLY orders us NOT to be Divided Quran CLEARLY orders us NOT to be divided and separated and yet we have REFUSED to do so and decided to live in over 55 countries. We are too busy being proud Palestinian, Jordanian, Yemeni, Turkish, Iranian, Iraqi, Saudi Arabian, Syrian, Pakistani, Kashmiri, Chechen, Bosnian, Algerian, Libyan, Egyptian, Moroccan, Lebanese, Bengali, etc. How many more nationalities are we going to see in the UMMAH ? How many more divisions? How many more separations ? The Kaffir are killing us one by one, as seen in the "New World Order" (Chechnya, Bosnia, Kashmir, etc). Divide-and-conquer is really working on the UMMAH. Lets all work together to put an end to this nonsense called Nationalism, a completely alien, and forbidden ideology in Islam.

The Hadith Says:
Resources From Messenger of Allah (saw)
Nationalism is HARAM because the Prophet Mohammad (saw) said in the following Hadeeths:
"Leave it. It is Rotten " [Bukhari & Muslim] refers to all forms of Asabiyah, nationalism, racism, and patriotism.
Grouping the Muslims on tribalistic lines is clearly forbidden. It is narrated by Abu Daud that the Messenger of Allah (saw) said, "He is not one us who calls for `Asabiyah, (nationalism/tribalism) or who fights for `Asabiyah or who dies for `Asabiyah."

" ...People should give up their pride in nations because this is a coal from the coals of hell-fire. If they do not give this up Allah (swt) will consider them lower than a lowly worm which pushes itself through khur (feces)." [abu Dawd and Tirmidhi].
In the Hadith recorded in Mishkat al-Masabith, the Messenger of Allah (saw) said, "He who calls for `Asabiyyah is as if he bit his father's genitals" Also, the Messenger of Allah (saw) said, narrated by At-Tirmidhi and Abu Dawud, "There are indeed people who boast of their dead ancestors; but in the sight of Allah they are more contemptible than the black beetle that rolls a piece of dung with its nose. Behold, Allah has removed from you the arrogance of the Time of Jahiliyyah (Ignorance) with its boast of ancestral glories. Man is but an Allah-fearing believer or an unfortunate sinner. All people are the children of Adam, and Adam was created out of dust."

Also, the Messenger of Allah (saw) said, "Undoubtedly Allah has removed from you the pride of arrogance of the age of Jahilliyah (ignorance) and the glorification of ancestors. Now people are of two kinds. Either believers who are aware or transgressors who do wrong. You are all the children of Adam and Adam was made of clay. People should give up their pride in nations because that is a coal from the coals of Hell-fire. If they do not give this up Allah (swt) will consider them lower than the lowly worm which pushes itself through Khara (dung)." [Abu Dawud and Tirmidhi]

When the news reached the Messenger of Allah (saw), he (saw) said, "O Muslims, remember Allah, remember Allah. Will you act as pagans while I am present with you after Allah has guided you to Islam, and honored you thereby and made a clean break with paganism; delivered you thereby from disbelief; and made you friends thereby?" When they heard this they wept, and embraced each other. This incident clearly highlights how the Messenger of Allah (saw) rebuked any forms of tribalism.
It is narrated by Qatada that Ibnu Abi Hathim said that in the verses quoted above Allah (swt) has ordered the Muslims to hold fast to the book of Allah, His Deen, and to his covenant, and He has forbidden the Muslims to divide amongst themselves and to dispute with each other. In another incident, Jabir ibn `Abd Allah al Ansari, narrated what happened at the watering place of al Muraysi which led to the Munafiqun stirring up the traces of `Asabiyah and seeking to destroy the unity of the Muslims. He said: "We were on a raid when one of the Muhajirun kicked one of the Ansar. The Ansar said, `O Ansar! Help me! (calling his tribe) and the Muhajir said, `O Muhajirun! Help me! (calling his tribe). The Messenger of Allah (saw) heard them and said, "Why are you stirring up something which belongs to Jahilliyah?" The Messenger of Allah (saw) did not deal with the situation only by speaking to his men, but he walked with the men all that day until nightfall, and through the night until morning and during the following day until the sun distressed them. Then he halted them, and as soon as they touched the ground, they fell asleep. He did this to distract their minds from what had transpired.
It is transmitted by at-Tabarani and al-Hakim that in one incident some people spoke very lowly about Salman al-Farsi. They spoke of the inferiority of the Persian in relation to the Arabs, and upon hearing this the Messenger of Allah (saw) declared, "Salman is from us, the ahl al-bayt (the Prophet's family)." This statement of the Messenger of Allah (saw) disassociates all links based on lineage and tribal considerations.
It was also transmitted, in two different versions, by Ibn al-Mubarak in his two books, Al-Birr and As-Salah, that some disagreement occurred between Abu Dharr and Bilal and Abu Dharr said to Bilal, "You son of a black woman." The Messenger of Allah (saw) was extremely upset by Abu Dharr's comment, so he (saw) rebuked him by saying, "That is too much, Abu Dharr. He who has a white mother has no advantage which makes him better than the son of a black mother." This rebuke had a profound effect on Abu Dharr, who then put his head on the ground swearing that he would not raise it until Bilal had put his foot over it. These incidents demonstrate that tribal ties have no place in Islam. Muslims are commanded to stick together and not to disassociate themselves from each other just because they come from different tribes.
The Messenger of Allah (saw) also said, "The believers, in their love, mutual kindness, and close ties, are like one body; when any part complains, the whole body responds to it with wakefulness and fever." [Muslim], "The faithful are like one man: if his eyes suffers, his whole body suffers." [Muslim], "An Arab is no better than a non-Arab. In return, a non-Arab is no better than an Arab. A red raced man was not better than a black one except in piety. Mankind are all Adam's children and Adam was created out of clay." [Al-Bukhari and Muslim, on the authority of Abu Musa] Meaning that the Muslims, whether they are of Chinese, African, European or Asian origin, are one Ummah and they cannot be separated from each other.
No tribalistic ties should ever break their unity. The Messenger of Allah (saw) said, "The Faithful are to one another like [parts of] a building - each part strengthening the others" and "Every Muslim is a brother to a Muslim, neither wronging him nor allowing him to be wronged. And if anyone helps his brother in need, Allah will help him in his own need; and if anyone removes a calamity from [another] Muslim, Allah will remove from him some of the calamities of the Day of Resurrection; and if anyone shields [another] Muslim from disgrace, Allah will shield him from the disgrace on the Day of Resurrection." [Al-Bukhari and Muslim, on the authority of `Abd Allah ibn `Umar].
Some people claim that the Messenger of Allah (saw) approved of nationalism because during the migration to Madinah, he (saw) said about Makkah with tears in his (saw) eyes, "You are the most beloved land of Allah to me." However, this saying has nothing to do with nationalism, and this can be seen from the full saying which people often do not quote, "You are the most beloved land of Allah to me because you are the most beloved land of Allah to Allah." The Messenger of Allah's (saw) love for Makkah was based on the noble status that Allah (swt) has given to Makkah, and not because he (saw) was born there. All Muslims should have this love and affection for Makkah because it is the most beloved land in the sight of Allah (swt). After all, the Muslims pray towards Makkah and go there to perform Hajj there as it houses the Ka'ba. The above saying of the Messenger of Allah (saw) therefore has nothing to do with nationalism. If Rasoolillah (saw) and the Muhajireen amongst the Sahabah (ra) were tied to the homeland (of Makkah), they would have settled in Makkah after it became part of the Islamic State. Not only does Islam forbid people from grouping on nationalistic ties, but it also prohibits the establishment of more than one state, whether these states are based on nationalism or otherwise. The only state that is allowed for the Muslims is the Islamic State, which is a state that is governed exclusively by Islam. Allah (swt) addressed the Messenger (saw), "And rule between them by that which Allah revealed to you, and do not follow their vain desires away from the truth which came to you" [Surah Al-Madinah (5): ayah 48] and, "And rule between them by that which Allah revealed to you and do not follow their whims, and beware (be on the alert) that they may deviate you away from even some part of what Allah revealed to you." [Surah Al-Maidah (5): ayah 49].

I strongly request this thread to be closed.

Allah knows the best.
Assalamualikum

[Abdul25]

:salam2:
You forgot Malaysia..
Wow you like someone who said "Islam, this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives."

:wasalam:

Well brother thats your assumption , i never said that.
times have changed now, you want prosperity and progress then you have to change but keeping Islamic values intact. you can make any assumption about me as you want :)

peace.

[Abu Talib]

:wasalam:

Well brother thats your assumption , i never said that.
times have changed now, you want prosperity and progress then you have to change but keeping Islamic values intact. you can make any assumption about me as you want :)

peace.

:salam2:
I didn't say you said. Its Ataturk who said that and you said you liked so i was referring to him

[dilek]

Subhanallah what are you speaking about ya brothers and sisters , I totally agree with sister Revert, lets stop such a sensetive argument. Each country has their own values and rulesi none can be superior to others. Above all we are the SAME UMMAH. Nationalism is haraam and it leads to division ;)

[Abu Talib]

Anyways is this Harun Yahya any Scholar? This ahmetsecer sure does handle his Marketing/PR

[mezeren]

Anyways is this Harun Yahya any Scholar? This ahmetsecer sure does handle his Marketing/PR

He is neither a scholar nor some one to be taken seriously.

[MOSABJA]

salamaleikum brothers.. I have seen this a lot of times.Saudis saying we have shariah rest have nothing.Pakistani boosting we have nukes and most powerful army.Turks saying that arabs did bla bla bla bla.

This is all useless .We are all Muslims.Turks,saudi,Pakis these are man made boundaries.Islam is above all and has no place for nationalism .If ur country does something wrong have guts to says its wrong.My country pakistan does wrong and I HATE IT.I hate army supporting US .I hate man made laws.U turks should do that aswell about hijab and so should saudis about US support.


No body is perfect.We dont have a single purely Islamic state .So lets get above nations. We are one nation .I am a Muslim not Pakistani .we may have nukes but thats the danger of nationalism .They protect Pk only.they are of no use to afghans,Palestinians,,and islam.

There is no nationalism in Islam .We are all Muslims....

[Mabsoot]

bismillah,

Assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh!

I hope you are all doing well, inshaAllah, my dear brothers and sisters in Islam.

Didnt the Prophet (s) say that the Arabs have no Superiority over non-Arab, and Non-Arabs have no superiority over the Arabs? Yes, he said that, and he also re-iterated and taught all the people about Unity and compassion. The only way we can truly encompass all of that greatness is through Islam, through real knowledge and understanding of our deen. This is what unites us.

The Turks can lead the Muslims, as can the Arabs, as can the Pakistanis, Kashmiri or any nation of Muslims. This is because Allah gives glory and power to the righteous of the Ummah and raises them in rank in this dunya.

In the past it was the Arabs, and later it went to the Ottomans. THe Ottomans were great leaders and had great ideas. But, it is not for us to call for any "Turkish Islamic Union", as sister Elysetexel said, it is Allah who gives the power.

Our situation is a weak one, and to be honest, we should not have childish comments bashing any people. We are all in this mess together. :) Just as maybe the Arabs have their set of problems, others have their own.

I have travelled a lot and seen many things, I like the way the Turkish have a "no lose" mentality. They also have a higher regard for their people and for Muslims in general than some other Muslim countries. - Although, they also have a small, but vocal secular population.

May Allah unite the Ummah, and guide us, and allow us to help each other upon Bir and Taqwa, amin.

I also hope that my dear brothers and sisters can see that we can make use of TurnToIslam to help build bridges and help one another to goodness. So, lets do that, and inshaAllah in the coming months, I am going to be making changes to the site, that will help us to realise our goals.

Take Care.

Allah'a Emanet Ol !

Assalamu alaykum.

[arzafar]

turkey has been Israel's and US's biggest ally since forever and basically until the flotilla saga. Also turks are a bit hot-headed which is bad for a leadership role.

anyway i dont believe that prosperity, wealth, good army and weapons will help in the cause of Allah unless we have faith. what matters most is that we have strong faith and sincerity with jihad for the sake of Allah. Victory or defeat is in Allah's hands.

but i dont see the establishment of khilafat happening in my lifetime. i suppose we have to wait for the industrial age to end because muslims are eons behind our enemies in technology, organization and discipline.

[Abdul25]

turkey has been Israel's and US's biggest ally since forever and basically until the flotilla saga. Also turks are a bit hot-headed which is bad for a leadership role.

anyway i dont believe that prosperity, wealth, good army and weapons will help in the cause of Allah unless we have faith. what matters most is that we have strong faith and sincerity with jihad for the sake of Allah. Victory or defeat is in Allah's hands.

but i dont see the establishment of khilafat happening in my lifetime. i suppose we have to wait for the industrial age to end because muslims are eons behind our enemies in technology, organization and discipline.


but Allah SWT has also set some rules, we have nothing in hand and we expect to defeat West or whatever.. it is child's dream. you have to be economical and military power to defeat them , it is not like we have no weapon and help from sky will come to help us, it wont happen and it never happened (except in Prophets time ). this world operates under some rules and we have to fulfill those rules. now some will talk about old times how we won. that was different time, there was no atomic bomb , no guns, no artillery, nothing, it was face to face war. now it is a war on economic front, yes faith is the most important thing but to say only faith is enough is not gonna work.
remember 1948,1967 and 973. our Arab armies probably had faith but all these times a single small country knocked them out and it is still keeping all its neighbors at a distance.
both faith and economy, military power are essential for a victory.

about khilafa ,i would say it wont happen in near future. so it is wild goose chase to think about khilafa until mahdi or Hazrat essa comes.