Someone tell me if this is for real.

[Ashima33]

Ok, not trying to be inappropriate... but... if this is for real. I don't ever want to hear about how messed up western culture is again.

http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/saudi-clerics-advocate-adult-breast-feeding/19504280

[arzafar]

it's messed up alrite.
the original fatwa was from egypt
they are basically trying to bend the shariah law (and going to pathetic levels) to allow gender mixing.

http://islamqa.com/en/ref/141208

P.S. kudos to the reporter as she has researched the correct islaamic ruling on the subject and reported it alongside the story.

[Korai_28]

:salam2:

i think it must clarify and answer your question..

http://islamqa.com/en/ref/47721

[Ashima33]

:salam2:

i think it must clarify and answer your question..

http://islamqa.com/en/ref/47721




uh. no. that does not clarify my question. my question is... "Is this REALLY going on?" And if it is true... I don't think we should single out western culture as being the only one that's "screwed up."

[kayleigh]

"A fatwa issued recently about adult breast-feeding to establish "maternal relations" and preclude the possibility of sexual contact"

I laughed. adult breast feeding IS sexual contact, my God.

I hope this isn't true.

[Ashima33]

"A fatwa issued recently about adult breast-feeding to establish "maternal relations" and preclude the possibility of sexual contact"

I laughed. adult breast feeding IS sexual contact, my God.

I hope this isn't true.

Well, but in the article they were talking about how women would pump their milk and have it given to a man in a glass so it's okay for them to be in mix gendered environments. A friend said he looked some stuff up online to see if it was true or not, and claimed the info just got worse and worse. He said he found info stating it was being demanded of women in the work place so they could have mixed gendered environments.

It makes me want to vomit.

[revert2007]

Assalamualikum.During the prophets time,when a woman adopted a child she was required to breastfeed if she still breatsfeeding so that the child becomes her mahram.

As for your question,I remembered I posted something similar thread but it wa sremoved due to inapropriat picture(and sorry I didn't notice it while copy paste).

Honestly lets use logic.If a woman breatsfeed a man who is in his late 30 for example and he becomes her mahram just because of her milk and she goes without hijab and less covering cloths,do you think that guy is going to bare in mind that she is mahram and he is not suppose to have any feelings?

Syaitan will just come and poison his mind and he is not going to bother about her being his mahram just because of the breastmilk.

Any man will be turned on if a woman is attractive.This is the men's nature.

In today's society sumbang-mahram is very well known and am not going to mention the country but those know where am from should know.and blood relation did not prevent them from not behaving in such manner and am wondering if some liter of milk will stop any kind of non islamic act.

I have heard of it but never knew people would practice it.Even if people are so ignorant to practice it I would strongly say that it is not going to change anything.As long as women appeared attractive infront of any men..syaitan will begin to play his game.

Allah knows the best.

Assalamualikum :)

[revert2007]

Well, but in the article they were talking about how women would pump their milk and have it given to a man in a glass so it's okay for them to be in mix gendered environments. A friend said he looked some stuff up online to see if it was true or not, and claimed the info just got worse and worse. He said he found info stating it was being demanded of women in the work place so they could have mixed gendered environments.

It makes me want to vomit.


Well am not sure but am not surprise as well if this whole stuffs came from women themselves..REcently women want to be the imam and want to pray together with men and they want their "equal rights" which easily can take them to hell honestly..They are simply being influenced by the western and they want the so called equal rights.Am wondering what rights are they talking about..

Perhaps women these days wanto go out in the hot sun and work hard like men instead of spending some quality time with some bunh of girl in the spa..Well as a woman i prefer the second choice :)

Islam has made it very clear the roles and duties of male and females and if anyone changes the nature of it,things will end up in disaster...I will still say that men go out and work and women stay at home.If women have no choice and want to be the " independant women" then they should act according to the rules and regulations of Allah and stop acting smart and keep on demanding rights on behalf of other women.


Just simple question.A woman can go out and work as man.I agree.But can a man take care the child and breastfeed the child and of course clean the house and cook for the family?

Please do not mention instant milk,having maid,or even eating outside.If woman prefer to use instant milk,having maid and eating unhealty food..i would just say what is the reason of marriage in the first place. Men are spending too much on women who do not do their role as a wife.Hvaing a maid is much cheaper and maid do not nagg and do not complaint and give smore respect.

I know the world is going crazy but that doesn't mean we have to go crazy as well.AS long we know our duty as a wife and women in Islam,thinsg will be so easy.

On the day of judgement Allah is not going to question how much salary you make by working as men..Allah will question your duty as a wife and as a mother.

Allah knows the best.

Assalamualikum

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

First not all western culture is messed up and not all eastern culture is messed up..but a whole lot inbetween is messed up.

The only instances I know where a man has to have breastmilk is if he is a long term opium addict.

People play with the Laws of Allah. Words are twisted to make situations sin free.

And I agree with Sister Revert, in a perfect world I would have not have worked. However, Allah knows the specific conditions of everyone. I have to be the man and the woman. And I am not alone.

Back to breastmilk. I am going to leave this be.

[Ashima33]

The only instances I know where a man has to have breastmilk is if he is a long term opium addict.



Hmmm... Interesting. I have never heard this? What does the breast milk do for them?

[kayleigh]

Well, but in the article they were talking about how women would pump their milk and have it given to a man in a glass so it's okay for them to be in mix gendered environments. A friend said he looked some stuff up online to see if it was true or not, and claimed the info just got worse and worse. He said he found info stating it was being demanded of women in the work place so they could have mixed gendered environments.

It makes me want to vomit.

That makes no logical sense whatsoever. Breast milk isn't some magical substance that will make you part or someones family if you drink it.

Revert, this has NOTHING to do with feminism. I'm positive women are not advocating this lol. In fact, they're saying it is stupid. This has to do with some very strange men who are looking for loopholes for God knows what reason.

You're using this thread to rant about things completely unrelated to this topic by saying women who don't breastfeed or who hire maids are bad wives/mothers, or discussing what a "woman's place" is. It's just going to cause drama and is totally unnecessary and has nothing to do with this article.

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

When I was reading the accounts of the Opium Wars..there were descriptions of old men who would have younger women feed them. After many years of opium use the stomach can not tolerate much food. For some reason breastmilk worked. It makes sense. This was the state that men were reduced to after becoming addicts.

Sometimes in search for the Truth we encounter little tidbits of facts that serve little use until you come to a post like this. Now..I am wondering are there opium addicts who have paid a scholar or two...Allah forgive me for speculation..thus I am easing my way out of this.

[FreedomFighter]

:wasalam:

This can't be for real?? These are sheikhs? What do Muslims say to non Muslims who bring this up? This is too bad. Astaghfirullah. Please advice. But it's not possible that the fatwa will be issued, right?

[revert2007]

:wasalam:

This can't be for real?? These are sheikhs? What are we supposed to say to non Muslims who bring this up? This is too bad. Astaghfirullah. Please advice, what do we say? Do we expect them to be silent on this issue? Or do we tell them this is completely wrong? But they will say the sheikh said it? But it's not possible that the fatwa will be issued right?
The fatwa was issued by a "sheikh" from Al-Azhar,Egypt but that person has been sacked.So I guess we do not need to pay too much of attention on this issue. :)

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

Good..let us move on.

[dna1987]

The original adult breast-feeding fatwa was issued three years ago by an Egyptian scholar at Egypt's al-Azhar University, considered Sunni Islam's top university. Ezzat Attiya was expelled from the university after advocating breast-feeding of men as a way to circumnavigate segregation of the sexes in Egypt.

Yes, he was sacked.

A year ago, Attiya was reinstated to his post.

And then he got his job back... :S

I don't understand what this guy used to justify his original fatwa in the first place.

[FreedomFighter]

The fatwa was issued by a "sheikh" from Al-Azhar,Egypt but that person has been sacked.So I guess we do not need to pay too much of attention on this issue. :)

It had been issued? Oh I see, they can make it then issue it. But do we know what this sounds like? We do not choose who our brothers and sisters get to be, it is God alone who chooses that for us. And then just imagine this fatwa..

[revert2007]

It had been issued? Oh I see, they can make it then issue it. But do we know what this sounds like? We do not choose who our brothers and sisters get to be, it is God alone who chooses that for us. And then just imagine this fatwa..
That is the reason we need to ignore this fatwa.as it is no longer accepetd by other well known scholars.:)

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

It is good to see you posting DNA 1987.
This is what I dug up:http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/05/18/73140.html

In short the court said he could come back and the university agreed.
Now..here we go again..a fatawa was issued regarding movies. In summary if an actress portrays a wife on screen she is married in real life to the actor.

[FreedomFighter]

It had been issued? Oh I see, they can make it then issue it. But do we know what this sounds like? We do not choose who our brothers and sisters get to be, it is God alone who chooses that for us. And then just imagine this fatwa..

Mistake, they will not be brothers and sisters, but mother and son which is still out of question in this case.

[Aisya al-Humaira]

Assalamua'laykum wa rahmatullah,

Honestly, such "fatwa" can really give bad impressions to non-Muslims. When our faith is far more than perfect. La haw la wa la quwwa ta illa billah.

One of the comments is exactly the same question that I've been thinking regarding this un-logical "fatwa":

for if the man and the breastfeeding woman "could be alone and the woman could remove her headscarf to reveal her hair" after the five breastfeeding sessions, it implies that they were not allowed to be "alone" before that and so the practical implication is that the breastfeeding must be made in public, say in the middle of the office? And same logic applied to the "revealing" - is a breast-revealing OK but hair revealing is prohibited? If no (which is reasonable), then perhaps the breastfeeding sessions shud take place in public while the man is blinfolded (so the woman is not "revealed" to him?

The bold part makes me wonder how can such matter takes place (for a woman to breastfeed a man) when they are unpermissible to be alone in the first place, let alone...urm doing such things?

Well I just hope people out there dont blindly take this fatwa to make their actions permissible. Astaghfirullahal atheem.

There's just too many "fatwa" nowadays, near the end of this world, that really makes you think a hundred times before trying to understand the logic behind it. Anyways its best for common people like us, to stick to fatwas from trustworthy sheikhs and most important we should be extra cautious on where we take our ilm' from.

Anyways, I think not worth losing too much thoughts over this ill matter.

Wassalam.

[dna1987]

Assalaam walaikum,

It is good to see you posting DNA 1987.
This is what I dug up:http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/05/18/73140.html

In short the court said he could come back and the university agreed.
Now..here we go again..a fatawa was issued regarding movies. In summary if an actress portrays a wife on screen she is married in real life to the actor.

Walaikum Asssalam Mirajmom :)

[ovomer]

Honestly lets use logic.If a woman breatsfeed a man who is in his late 30 for example and he becomes her mahram just because of her milk and she goes without hijab and less covering cloths,do you think that guy is going to bare in mind that she is mahram and he is not suppose to have any feelings?


assalamo alaikum, i still strongly agree with this sentences.wasalam

[a_stranger]

:salam2:

I think that was a special rule for a special case; In the time of sahaba (who were taught by the prophet salla Allah alaihi wa sallam) , through the long islamic history no muslem used or dare to think about that , Islam teaches us to use logice and reason .....Islam tell us we can never be close to our creator until we are pure and free of sins. How can any decent man say something like that ? :astag:. I think some muslems are very much affected by the unholly impure way our world is acting now that is why they dare to say something like that. PLease brothers and sisters don`t turn your back to the clear pure Islam and search for something no muslem schollar or non thinked about through long centries. :astag:

[Aisya al-Humaira]

Dear brothers and Sisters , SALAAM TO ALL.......

saudi women can breastfeed their drivers ..

Yes, Dr.I.Attiya gave this Fatwa then, and now an other one gave this Fatwa in Saudi Arabia which legalize the SAUDI WOMEN TO BREASTFEED their Foreign drivers so that they can become Sons and Brothers for their daughters and mingling with their family as one of them freely.........

In this thread I notice all members are oppose to this Fatwa without explaining the Hadhees concerned and seems critizise it as the Fatwa is inappropriate to the modern society and argue that -will lead surely to increase lust and other evil thoughts of those woman and man involved this act........

OK..........IF SO....., THEN WAT ABOUT THE HADHEES ? Here are the hadhees which is proved to be VERY AUTHENTIC by Imaam Muslim...

Book 008, Number 3425:

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hadhaifa, lived with him and his family in their house. She (i. e. the daughter of Suhail came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and said:
Salim has attained (puberty) as men attain, and he understands what they understand, and he enters our house freely, I, however, perceive that something (rankles) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said to her:
Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and (the rankling) which Abu Hudhaifa feels in his heart will disappear. She returned and said: So I suckled him, and what in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa disappeared. ( Muslim )

No. 1453 ;
Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) reports that Sahla bint Suhayl came to the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) and said:
O Messenger of Allah! I see on the face of Abu Hudhayfa (signs of dislike) on the entering of Salim, who is an ally, (into our house). The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said:Suckle him.
She said: How can I suckle him as he is a grown-up man? The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) smiled and said: I already know that he is a young man. ( Muslim, no: 1453)

Sunaan ibn Majah, 3.1943 narrates a similar hadhees.......

If we not accepting this Fatwa WE HAVE TO REJECT and THROW AWAY THESE Shaheeh Hadhees ......

Can a Muslm REJECT any Hadhees which is proved to be AUTHENTIC ??

and WHAT IS THE MESSAGE and TEACHINGS we ,the muslim ummath , get from these sayings of our Rasoolullaah ??

if any scholar here, pl explain and clear our doubts..............

Assalamua'laykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,

This is specifically to Moderatemuslim,

First and foremost, just to let you know, there are NO scholars here in this forum but yes, there are knowledgeable brothers and sisters who study the deen but still, people can only give out opinions either based on the 2 sources - AlQuran and As-Sunnah - or just plain desires and thoughts.

Secondly, in matters of the deen, we cannot take only those what suits us and comforts us while leaving behind which we think wont benefit us. We take Islam as a WHOLE, and not just bit by bit. Here, you are trying to prove that this is an "acceptable fatwa" from the authentic ahadeeth that you posted. However, try to question yourself : How can such thing happen, for a woman to breastfeed a NON-MAHRAM man when she is forbidden in the first place to be alone with her non-mahram?! Unless you are telling me that this breastfeeding is happening in public, while others can view it - is that how you think it is?

Before taking any hadeeth to justify a statement, we must first look at the ورود حديث (the cause behind the hadeeth) just like we look at the asbab al-nuzool, أسباب نزول of an ayaat Al-Quran (the reason an ayaat was "brought" down to the Prophet Muhammad sallallahu a'layhi wassalam) before one can easily use it to back-up his statement.

The "sheikh" who made this fatwa was sacked but then got his job back. Why then are you taking a fatwa from such "Sheikh" instead of a scholar who are known to be trustworthy, thiqaah and correct in aqeedah? Why are you agreeing with this one fatwa from this one "Shiekh"?

For laymen people like us, who may not have much knowledge of the deen, even to distinguish between a sound/weak hadeeth, then it is BEST if we only stick to one scholar - a trustworthy scholar that is.

I pray to Allaah that everybody here is with a sincere intention, to learn of the deen and have a better understanding about it.

I apologize if my words were anywhere harsh.

Wassalam.

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

The Quran.

[ilyas_eh]

brother moderatemuslim, try to read the full life history of salim and abu hudhayfa. infact salim is always mentioned as salim maula abu hudhayfa.

maybe someone can try to explain the bond between them but it is even better if you read about it yourself. in sha Allah you will come to know about the wisdom behind the hadith and why the prophet (may peace and blessings be upon him) recommended that (if it is true that he had recommended).

by the way, salim was adopted son of abu hudhayfa and he was called salim ibn abu hudhayfa till Allah swt revealed the verse prohibiting it.

wa salaam

[ilyas_eh]

SAALIM MAWLAA ABIHUDHAIFAH

Blessed Be the Carrier of the Qur'aan




The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) advised his Companions one day, "Take the Qur'aan from four people: Abd Allah Ibn Mas'uud, Saalim Mawlaa Abi Hudhaifah Ubai lbn Ka'b and Mu'aadh lbn Jabal."

We have met before with Ibn Mas'uud and Ubai and Mu'aadh. So, who was this fourth Companion whom the Messenger made as an authority for the teaching of the Our'aan and a source of reference? Verily, he was Saalim Mawlaa Abi Hudhaifah. He was a kind servant. Islam was exalted on account of him until it made him a son of one of the great Muslims who, before his Islam, was honored to be one of the most noble of the Quraish and one of their leaders. When Islam cancelled the practice of adoption, he became a brother, a friend, a protector of those whom he had adopted. Such was the glorious Companion, Abu Hudhaifah Ibn `Utbah. By the grace of Allah and His favor upon Saalim, he reached an elevated lofty position which his spiritual virtues, along with his behavior and his piety, had prepared him for.

Saalim Mawlaa Abi Hudhaifah was known by that name because he had been a slave and emancipated. He believed in Allah and His Messenger early, and took his place among the first generation.

Abu Hudhaifah Ibn `Utbah became Muslim at an early age and hastened to Islam, leaving his father, `Utbah Ibn Rabii'ah, swallowing his anger and his concerns which disturbed the purity of his life, due to the Islam of his son, who was noble among his people. His father had been preparing him for leadership among the Quraish.

Abu Hudhaifah adopted Saalim and emancipated him, and he became known as Saalim Ibn Abi Hudhaifah. Both of them continuously worshiped their Lord in awe and fear and were extremely patient under the hardship of the Quraish and their schemes.

One day, verses of the Qur'aan were revealed which outlawed the practice of adoption and every adopted person returned to carrying the name of his real father who had begotten him. So, Zaid Ibn Haarithah, for example, whom the Prophet had adopted and who had been known among the Muslims as Zaid lbn Muhammad, returned to carrying the name of his father, Haarithah and became Zaid Ibn Uaarithah. But Saalim's father was not known to him, so Abu Hudhaifah became his guardian and be was called Saalim Mawlaa Abi Hudhaifah.

Perhaps when it cancelled the practice of adoption Islam wanted to say to the Muslims, Do not take kinship nor relationship, nor the bond by which you affirm your brotherhood as greater and stronger than Islam itself and the religious faith by which you are really made brothers. The early Muslims understood this very well. So, nothing was more loved to any one of them after Allah and His Messenger than their brethren in faith and in Islam.

We have seen how the Ansaar welcomed their brethren, the Muhaajiruun. They shared with them their wealth, their homes, and all they owned. This is what we saw happening between Abu Hudhaifah, the noble of the Quraish, and Saalim, who was an emancipated slave and did not know his father.

They remained more than brothers up to the last moment of their lives, even until death: they died together spirit with spirit and body close to body. This is the unique, incomparable greatnesses of Islam, but this is only one of its greatnesses and its superiorities.

* * *

Saalim believed with a sincere faith and took his path to Allah by adopting the behavior of the devout and pious. Neither his genealogy nor his position in society had any consideration for him. He was elevated by his piety and sincerity to the highest degree of the new society which Islam came to establish and caused to rise on a new, great and just foundation, a foundation summarized in the following glorious verse "Surely, the most honourable of you in the sight of GOD is the most pious of you" (49:13) and in the noble hadiiths: "Arabs have no superiority over non-Arabs except in piety" and "The son of a white woman has no superiority over the son of a black woman except in piety."

In this new, rightly-guided society, Abu Hudhaifah, who was only a slave yesterday, found for himself honor to be in charge, to have power and to govern. Moreover, he found honor for his family, to marry Saalim to his niece Faatimah Bint Al-Waliid Ibn `Utbah. And in this new, rightly-guided society, which destroyed the unjust class structure and outlawed false distinctions and privileges, Saalim found himself always in the first rank on account of his truthfulness, faith, and bravery.

Yes, he became an Imam for the Muhaajiruun of Makkah to Al Madiinah during their prayer in the Qubaa' Mosque. There is proof in the Book of Allah, when the Prophet ordered the Muslims to learn from him. There were with him men of goodness and excellence, which made the Messenger say to him, "Praise be to Allah, Who made in my nation the like of you." His Muslim brothers called him "Saalim from among the Righteous."

Indeed, the story of Saalim is like the story of Bilaal and the story of many tens of slaves and the poor from whom Islam shook off the factors of servitude and weakness and made them imams and commanders in a society of guidance, reason, integrity of conduct, and frankness.

Saalim was a receiver of all the rightly guided virtues of Islam. These virtues accumulated in him and around him, and his truthful, deep faith arranged them in proper order in the most beautiful disposition. Among his most prominent virtues was his overt, public frankness about what he perceived as the truth. Indeed, he did not keep silent when he perceived something which he felt it was his duty to speak about. He did not betray life by maintaining silence when mistakes were made.

After Makkah was liberated by the Muslims, the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) sent some detachments to villages and tribes around Makkah to inform them that whenever he sent someone to them, they were coming only as callers to the Faith, so not to harm them or kill them.

At the head of one of these companies was Khaalid Ibn Al Waliid. When Khaalid reached his distination, some incident led him to use the sword and shed blood. When the Prophet (PBUH) heard the news of these events, he apologized to his Lord a long time saying, "O Allah, indeed I absolve myself from all that Khaalid has done." The Commander of the Faithful `Umar ever remained to recollect and assess him saying, "In the sword of khaalid, indeed, is a heavy burden."

Saalim Mawlaa Abi Hudhaifah accompanied Khaalid on this expedition, along with other Companions. As soon as Saalim saw the actions of Khaalid, he confronted him with a sharp objection and went on enumerating to him the mistakes he had committed. Khaalid, the leader, the great hero in both jaahiliyah and Islam, listened the first time, defended himself the second time, and became more forceful in speech the third time while Saalim, holding on to his point of view, spoke without fear or evasion or circumvention in speech. Saalim at that time did not look at Khaalid as a nobleman from among the nobles of Makkah, while he was one who only yesterday was a slave. No, Islam had created equality between them. He did not look at him as a leader, venerating his errors, but as a partner in duty and responsibility. Moreover, his opposition to Khaalid did not originate from a selfish purpose or interest; it was advice, consecrated by Islam, which was his right. What he heard all the time from his Prophet was a foundation and essence of the entire religion when he said, "Religion is sincere advice. Religion is sincere advice. Religion is sincere advice."

When the action of Khaalid reached the Messenger (PBUH), he asked, "Did anyone stand up to him?" He did not delay to question, and he was not alarmed. His anger was pacified when they said to him, "Yes, Saalim critically examined him and opposed him."

Saalim lived with his Messenger (PBUH) and the believers. He did not stay behind from any battle, nor refrain from performing any worship, and his brotherliness with Abu Hudhaifah increased daily with mutual self-sacrifice and solidarity.

* * *

The Messsenger (PBUH) passed away to the Most Exalted Guardian and the caliphate Abu Bakr was confronted with the conspiracies of the apostates. Then the Day of Al-Yamaamah came and it was a terrible war. Islam had not gone through anything like it. The Muslims went out to fight and Saalim and his brother Abu Hudhaifah went out to fight in the cause of Allah. At the start of the battle, the Muslims did not withstand the attack. However, each believer there felt that the battle was his own and the responsibility was his own. Khaalid lbn Al-Waliid gathered them together again and reorganized the army with astonishing skill and genius.

The brothers Abu Hudhaifah and Saalim embraced and pledged martyrdom in the cause of the religion of truth which gave them the happiness of this world and the next. They threw themselves into the vast, terrible sea of battle. Abu Hudhaifah was calling, "`O people of the Qur'aan, decorate the Qur'aan with your actions," and his sword was like a violent hurricane in the army of Musailamah the Liar. And Saalim was shouting, `What a bad carrier of the Qur'aan I would be if the Muslims were attacked through me.

Drive into a trap, O Saalim, but yes, you are our best carrier of the Qur`aan.

And Saalim's sword was forceful on the necks of the apostates who embarked upon celebrating the jaahiliyah of the Quraish and extinguishing the light of Islam. The swords of apostasy fell upon his right hand and cut it off, while he was carrying with it the standard of the Muhaajiruun after its bearer, Zaid Ibn Al-Khattaab, had fallen. When his right hand was cut off, he picked up the standard with his left and kept on waving it high while shouting the following noble Qur'aanic verses: "And how many of the Prophets have fought, and with them large troops of godly people? But they never lost heart when adversity befell them in GOD's cause, nor did they weaken, nor did they fail. And GOD loves those who show fortitude" (3:146).

Is not that the most magnificent slogan? That is the one he chose on the day of death.

A group of apostates circled around him, so the hero fell, but his spirit kept on repeating in his purified body, until the battle ended with the killing of Musailamah the Liar, the defeat of his army, and the triumph of the Muslim army.

When the Muslims were examining their sacrificed and martyrs, they found Saalim in the last agony of death. He asked them, "What has Abu Hudhaifah done?" They said, "`He died a martyr." He said, "Lay me next to him." They said, "He is next to you, O Saalim." He had died a martyr in the same place.

He smiled his last smile and did not speak again. He and his companion had realized what they desired. Together they had become Muslims. Together they had lived and together they had died as martyrs.

Oh, the magnificence of fortune and beauty of destiny! And he went to Allah, that great believer about whom `Umar lbn Al Khattaab said while he was dying, "If Saalim were alive, I would have given him the command after me.

Source : Men Around The Messenger (PBUH)

[arzafar]

yeah i had the same question and it's still not 100% clear. but here are two hadth from the sahih muslim.


Book 008, Number 3429:
Umm Salama, the wife of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him), used to say that all wives of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) disclaimed the idea that one with this type of fosterage (having been suckled after the proper period) should come to them. and said to 'A'isha: By Allah, we do not find this but a sort of concession given by Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) only for Salim, and no one was ging to be allowed to enter (our houses) with this type of fosterage and we do not subscribe to this view.

Book 008, Number 3430:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) visited me when a man was sitting near me, and he seemed to disapprove of that. And I saw signs of anger on his face and I said: Messenger of Allah, he is my brother by forsterage, whereupon he said: Consider who your brothers are because of fosterage since fosterage is through hunger (i. e. in infancy).


This means that apart from aisha (ra) nobody else held that view.