EDL planning on using England World Cup for starting their summer of unrest

[Kakorot]

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When I became Muslim 8 years ago in Maltby, Rotherham I recieved numerous death threats, including one message on my mobile phone saying “we’re coming to burn your house down you f*****g paki-lover.”

A lack of an education or knowledge of the world around them seems to be a requirement for entry into the ranks of the EDL, not realising that not all Muslims are Pakistani is quite typical of the retarded mental state of most EDL supporters.

So all Muslims are referred to as Pakis, all reverts to Islam as Paki-lovers.

“I dont mind pineapple and blacks, it’s f*****g pakis I hate” is a typical sentiment heard up and down the country amongst the white working class hard drinking underclass and on the following video report for the Guardian newspaper.

http://www.guardian....eague-uncovered

Readers may note that the typical EDL is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, this is true but they are still dangerous and have attacked Muslims up and down the country in cowardly gang attacks during and after their demonstrations.

They are however led by people, who although a little brighter, still have an overwhelming hatred of Islam and are happy to use their skin-head footsoldiers to get their way in attacking Islam and the Muslims.

The English Defence League is an organisation set up to attack only Muslims and the Masaajid in Britain, unlike in the 60′s, 70′s, and 80′s where the National front and smaller groups like combat 18 attacked all immigrants and those they saw as traitors to Britain.

They have recruited heavily from the football hooligan firms up and down Britain to form large mobs which attack Muslim areas wherever they demonstrate, these footsoldiers are strengthened by a hardcore of National front and Combat 18 thugs, veterans of the troubles in Oldham and Bradford

But this time they look to be getting ready to use the coming World cup to incite already inibriated football fans to join them on their marches and attack Muslim areas.

Anything or anyone viewed as anti-Muslim is acceptable, so they have a Sikh with a pathalogical hated of Islam as one of their spokesman, black and other asian members are tolerated.

Stoke, Bury, Burton, London, Dudley and Luton have all seen EDL attacks but now they are planning more demonstrations rolling out over the summer in Birmingham, Cardiff, Newcastle, Sheffield and perhaps most explosive of all Bradford where some of the worse race riots in recent history took place after BNP and National front hooligans targetted Muslim areas.

Muslims in the UK need to be ready, ready to defend the masaajid and their Muslim brothers and sisters, at a time like this we need to be united, to stand together and not let these thugs push us around, Islam gives us a right to defend ourselves, as does the kufr laws in the UK.

We know the Police have many officers who are sympathetic to the far right and too many times now EDL thugs have somehow managed to get through Police lines to attack Muslim brothers and even our sisters.

Racist and Islamiophoblic abuse from Police officers is a common occurance to any youth who are arrested by the Police who know they can lie about it afterward and be believed by the Taghweet judges.

Many police secretly support the EDL’s views and we know that the authorities will often use groups such as this to beat Muslims down into submission but this time we need to let them know we submit to non but Allah.

But we also need to know that the average EDL is in his heart a coward like all the kuffar, we saw in Harrow when they protesting the expansion of a Masjid that they ran away when the Muslims turned out to defend the houses of Allah and the Muslim community.

They are only able to do what they do in large mobs, filled up on dutch courage (alcohol) and time and again up and down the country their supporters have stood down when confronted by an equally large number of Muslims and other anti-EDL activists. We have a clear duty to defend the Muslims in Britain this summer, we cannot rely on the authorities who ban non-violent Muslim groups but still refuse to ban the uber-violent EDL.

If we dont stand up to them now and be counted, we can be sure there will be many more attacks on Muslim sisters having their hijab and niqaab pulled off, many more Muslim kids bullied and assaulted in schools, more arson and grafitti attacks on the Masaajid and many many more Muslims beaten up in the streets.

This summer you decide whether we are Muslims here in Britain have a place to call openly to Islam or will we be beaten back into ghetto corners of the cities, affraid to show our faces and call people to Allah as we are commanded to in the Quran. We have a right to self-defence, we have a right to demonstrate and protect our communities.

We have people entering into Islam in droves up and down Britain, but if the EDL know they can strike freely at the Muslim areas these Dawah stalls and events will be next to be attacked.

Brothers dont be cowards like the Munafiqeen in Medinah who slunk away when the time of testing came, be like those lions of the Ansar and Muhajiroon who stood shoulder to shoulder and although they didn’t look for trouble, didn’t leave the lines when trouble came.

Daw’ud,

Editor, The Islamic Standard

http://theislamicsta...mmer-of-unrest/

[Ibn Uthaymin]

Jazakallahu khayr, sadly I think alot of youth will take this opportunity to start "beef".

[Kakorot]

^ Wa iyyaka.

They were is East London yesterday. And some ppl are saying that they sat on the elderly Muslims, and pulled off sisters hijab, pushed brothers and sisters and that they even beat a brother in a station. And then some people are saying that the Muslims chased them off and they ran into a pub, where they were then escorted by the police. I don't know what to believe. Wallaahu 'alam.

And, next week there's going to be an event organised by Muslims, that was supposed to take place in East London, but now because of the EDL, they had to change the venue, which hasn't been confirmed yet and all this confusion is because of the EDL. And now I heard that they are targeting Dr. Zakir Naiks event.

I don't see the media reporting anything about this. They're just going to wait for the Muslim youth to react and make the Muslims look bad as usual. As if the EDL are the victims trying to protect their country and as if we're foreigners causing trouble, calling for shari'ah etc. See how bias they are?

I don't even see why they can't be banned. They should be because I was watching this documentary and they were saying rude things about Islam and they hate all Muslims. Also, I heard that the head of the EDL is a sikh man, I don't know if this is true or not.

I'm just afraid that all this is going to get out of hand, if the ppl in authority don't do anything about it now, then innocent people are going to get hurt.

[Ibn Uthaymin]

Hmm. I live dangeroulsy close to the place where that incident happend. What i heard was alot of Muslim youth, from all across London, came to confront around 20 EDL members. Two people actually got beaten up for insulting Bangalis.

Sister, I can assure that no Muslim woman were hurt or attacked. There were over 2,000 youth, from all over London: reverts, Black, Asians the whole lot againts 20! As a matter of fact, some of the stewards from East London Mosque were trying to calm the Muslims down, jsut goes to show the sheer number of people who gathered.

I oppose violence, it jsut stirs up tension and causes unrest, the people who went from my area were all hyped up. Not good. I hope the people of knowledge give some suggestions.

[dna1987]

A. A.

I don't understand it yet, what's the EDL?

[Ibn Uthaymin]

A. A.

I don't understand it yet, what's the EDL?

English Defence League, right wing anti-Muslim group.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bxzH9fxIko

[Valerie]

And I thought people like that only exist in the US. That's just awful... I don't understand people sometimes.

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

Valerie...human nature does not change becuase of nationalism. The meaner streak of human nature always wants someone to pick on. We have the duty of stopping it and showing the correct behavior. In the end the EDLers will be old bitter broken men wondering where life left.

[al-fajr]

Assalamu'alaykum

English Defence League, right wing anti-Muslim group.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bxzH9fxIko

Hilarious the way that red head said 'Fi'tna!' in that video. Idiot.

Hmm. I live dangeroulsy close to the place where that incident happend. What i heard was alot of Muslim youth, from all across London, came to confront around 20 EDL members. Two people actually got beaten up for insulting Bangalis.

Sister, I can assure that no Muslim woman were hurt or attacked. There were over 2,000 youth, from all over London: reverts, Black, Asians the whole lot againts 20! As a matter of fact, some of the stewards from East London Mosque were trying to calm the Muslims down, jsut goes to show the sheer number of people who gathered.

I oppose violence, it jsut stirs up tension and causes unrest, the people who went from my area were all hyped up. Not good. I hope the people of knowledge give some suggestions.

Confirms my thoughts that the EDL could have least tried their luck somewhere other than one of most highly populated Muslim areas in England. They obviously have a lot to learn in this regard! I like their stupidity.

[stiks]

^ Wa iyyaka.


I don't see the media reporting anything about this. They're just going to wait for the Muslim youth to react and make the Muslims look bad as usual. As if the EDL are the victims trying to protect their country and as if we're foreigners causing trouble, calling for shari'ah etc. See how bias they are?



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This's exactly what they are waiting for.

May Allah protect the muslimeen every where, ameen.

[thariq2005]

^ Wa iyyaka.

They were is East London yesterday. And some ppl are saying that they sat on the elderly Muslims, and pulled off sisters hijab, pushed brothers and sisters and that they even beat a brother in a station. And then some people are saying that the Muslims chased them off and they ran into a pub, where they were then escorted by the police. I don't know what to believe. Wallaahu 'alam.

And, next week there's going to be an event organised by Muslims, that was supposed to take place in East London, but now because of the EDL, they had to change the venue, which hasn't been confirmed yet and all this confusion is because of the EDL. And now I heard that they are targeting Dr. Zakir Naiks event.

I don't see the media reporting anything about this. They're just going to wait for the Muslim youth to react and make the Muslims look bad as usual. As if the EDL are the victims trying to protect their country and as if we're foreigners causing trouble, calling for shari'ah etc. See how bias they are?

I don't even see why they can't be banned. They should be because I was watching this documentary and they were saying rude things about Islam and they hate all Muslims. Also, I heard that the head of the EDL is a sikh man, I don't know if this is true or not.

I'm just afraid that all this is going to get out of hand, if the ppl in authority don't do anything about it now, then innocent people are going to get hurt.

BarakAllaahu feeki, after talking to few trustworthy brothers, I was told that it was only brothers who were attacked. Initially they were at barking station and I think that is where the attack took place. By the time they came to whitechapel, text messages went all around the place and enough brothers gathered around ELM, walhamdulillaah.

With regards to the event whose venue was cancelled, alhamdulillaah the brothers have confirmed another venue, and the brothers were advised by the people of knowledge that this event has to go on, and in shaa' Allaah will go on. It was a bit strange that the Muslim councilor of Tower hamlets, Helaal 'Abbaas, called these brothers extreme, and compared them to the EDL. EDL now claims victory that they have stopped the event, and have officially announced a demonstration at the Zakir Naik's event. A brother helping out Al khair (the brothers bringing down zakir naik) have said that the EDL have rented out some place next to the wembley arena so as to create fuss. The brothers at Al-Khair are going through a lot of pressure at the moment.

Perhaps it is very important that muslims come to the event organised this sunday by UK-IC in order to show their support, as the brothers lost the venue, had to go through a lot of trouble in regards to finding another venue, get branded etc. all because of EDL.

Wa salaamu 'alaykkum

[stiks]

Perhaps it is very important that muslims come to the event organised this sunday by UK-IC in order to show their support, as the brothers lost the venue, had to go through a lot of trouble in regards to finding another venue, get branded etc. all because of EDL.

Wa salaamu 'alaykkum

I'll be there inshaallah, will get my ticket tonight hopefully.

[thariq2005]

I'll be there inshaallah, will get my ticket tonight hopefully.

Online sales will go live in the midnight, if not you could call the UK-IC number and in shaa'Allaah buy it by hand (if you are from london that is)

[Kakorot]

:salam2:

I don't know who these people are, but I think they're from the group al muhajiroon or something.

FZd1iJKrVds

Basically yesterday the British people were outside in Barking area (I think) and they were like praising their British soldiers and then these group of brothers turned up, where they protested (as you can see above). And I think the EDL were there, and they must of got annoyed, so after they went down Whitechapel area and took out their anger and frustration on the innocent Muslims. I think that's what may of happened. Wallaahu'alam. (Btw, I don't agree with al muhajiroon, if that is them may Allaah guide them).

Regarding the event, inshaAllaah going there with a few sisters. I don't see why the organisers efforts should go to waste. They have been planning this even for months and we don't get such awesome events happening, so it's definately an event not to be missed.

[al-fajr]

^ I just saw some other footage of that incident, literally less than 5 minutes ago. I wont post it because it contains filthy language from the kuffar which no muslims ears should be exposed to if it can be helped.

The EDL grew as a result of people like Al-Muhajiroun in the first place. At the end of the day, kuffar will be kuffar, thats what they do best, but when will those muslims act like muslims?!

The way utter chaos is portrayed as Islaam by these people is crazy.

Wa-alaikum salaam

PS: Yes, it is Al-Muhajiroun, good guess.

[Kakorot]

^ Thanks for the clarification.

But the members of al muhajiroon have the mindset that they are in the right and that they are doing the right thing.

What I hate is when every other Muslim, who has nothing to do with al muhajiroon whatsoever becomes a target. As in, the rest of us have to suffer because of the actions of few.

Edit: Oh yh and Thariq, I heard that brothers were not the only ones who were attacked, a sister got spat at.

[thariq2005]

:salam2:

I don't know who these people are, but I think they're from the group al muhajiroon or something.

FZd1iJKrVds

Basically yesterday the British people were outside in Barking area (I think) and they were like praising their British soldiers and then these group of brothers turned up, where they protested (as you can see above). And I think the EDL were there, and they must of got annoyed, so after they went down Whitechapel area and took out their anger and frustration on the innocent Muslims. I think that's what may of happened. Wallaahu'alam. (Btw, I don't agree with al muhajiroon, if that is them may Allaah guide them).

Regarding the event, inshaAllaah going there with a few sisters. I don't see why the organisers efforts should go to waste. They have been planning this even for months and we don't get such awesome events happening, so it's definately an event not to be missed.

Something really great I have come across in these aluhaajiroon brothers is that they have a lot of zeal for the deen of Allaah subhaanah. They would do anything for the sake of the deen of Allaah, and I mean literally anything, ma shaa'Allaah. Some of the main brothers who were in the protest are brothers I have talked to personally and even engaged in a heated debate, and I can testify that they are very sincere brothers ma shaa'Allaah. But for an action to be accepted not only is sincerety required but also the fact that the action is in accordance with the way of the Messenger of Allaah :saw2:

We hope as Ibn Taymiyyah rahimahullaah hoped, that these brothers are rewarded by Allaah for their intentions. As He, rahimahullaah said:

وأكثر هؤلاء الذين تجدهم حراصًا على أمثال هذه البدع ، مع ما لهم من حسن القصد ، والاجتهاد الذين يرجى لهم بهما المثوبة ، تجدهم فاترين في أمر الرسول

"...Whereas the majority of those whom you find enthusiastic to implement such innovations as what we have discussed – despite what they may have of good intentions and ijtihaad, and it is hoped that Allah will reward them for these two (intention and ijtihaad) – yet you generally find them weak and apathetic in regards to adhering to the instructions of the Messenger (:saw2:) …”


BarakAllaahu feekum

Wa salaamu 'alaykkum

[dna1987]

I watched a few of the videos on youtube. It seems like the same group of people that used to cause football hooliganism. I think they got bored of that and are looking for something new or different to be angry over. Idiots.

[dna1987]

:salam2:

I don't know who these people are, but I think they're from the group al muhajiroon or something.

FZd1iJKrVds

Basically yesterday the British people were outside in Barking area (I think) and they were like praising their British soldiers and then these group of brothers turned up, where they protested (as you can see above). And I think the EDL were there, and they must of got annoyed, so after they went down Whitechapel area and took out their anger and frustration on the innocent Muslims. I think that's what may of happened. Wallaahu'alam. (Btw, I don't agree with al muhajiroon, if that is them may Allaah guide them).

Regarding the event, inshaAllaah going there with a few sisters. I don't see why the organisers efforts should go to waste. They have been planning this even for months and we don't get such awesome events happening, so it's definately an event not to be missed.

I watched the video. Next time, if they really want to be intimidating, they should do something like this from across the street lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmM7QeoCP1Y&feature=related (with the black outfit, perhaps with pants though).
(Note: the haka isn't anything religious (for those that don't know), it was to pump up the Maori fighters before a war and intimidate the enemy. About 200 fighters doing the haka in sync would be a sight to see).
:salam2:

[Valerie]

Assalaam walaikum,

Valerie...human nature does not change becuase of nationalism. The meaner streak of human nature always wants someone to pick on. We have the duty of stopping it and showing the correct behavior. In the end the EDLers will be old bitter broken men wondering where life left.

You're right. I just have this (really wrong) mental image of the rest of the world acting better than some of the people who live near me :) They can end up bitter, what scares me is that they'll have kids and a new generation will act the same ( like the westboro folks who make their young children carry signs).

[Kakorot]

Something really great I have come across in these aluhaajiroon brothers is that they have a lot of zeal for the deen of Allaah subhaanah. They would do anything for the sake of the deen of Allaah, and I mean literally anything, ma shaa'Allaah. Some of the main brothers who were in the protest are brothers I have talked to personally and even engaged in a heated debate, and I can testify that they are very sincere brothers ma shaa'Allaah. But for an action to be accepted not only is sincerety required but also the fact that the action is in accordance with the way of the Messenger of Allaah :saw2:

We hope as Ibn Taymiyyah rahimahullaah hoped, that these brothers are rewarded by Allaah for their intentions. As He, rahimahullaah said:

وأكثر هؤلاء الذين تجدهم حراصًا على أمثال هذه البدع ، مع ما لهم من حسن القصد ، والاجتهاد الذين يرجى لهم بهما المثوبة ، تجدهم فاترين في أمر الرسول

"...Whereas the majority of those whom you find enthusiastic to implement such innovations as what we have discussed – despite what they may have of good intentions and ijtihaad, and it is hoped that Allah will reward them for these two (intention and ijtihaad) – yet you generally find them weak and apathetic in regards to adhering to the instructions of the Messenger (:saw2:) …”


BarakAllaahu feekum

Wa salaamu 'alaykkum

Wa feeka baarak Allaah.

True, they do have these zeal for the deen but they call for shari'ah, which I don't get. How can shar'iah be implemented in a non-Muslim country, when the Muslim countries don't implement it themselves? And how could a non-Muslim government rule over shari'ah?

I watched the video. Next time, if they really want to be intimidating, they should do something like this from across the street lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmM7QeoCP1Y&feature=related (with the black outfit, perhaps with pants though).
(Note: the haka isn't anything religious (for those that don't know), it was to pump up the Maori fighters before a war and intimidate the enemy. About 200 fighters doing the haka in sync would be a sight to see).
:salam2:

:wasalam:

O_O LOOL.

[Ibn Uthaymin]

With regards to the event whose venue was cancelled, alhamdulillaah the brothers have confirmed another venue, and the brothers were advised by the people of knowledge that this event has to go on, and in shaa' Allaah will go on. It was a bit strange that the Muslim councilor of Tower hamlets, Helaal 'Abbaas, called these brothers extreme, and compared them to the EDL. EDL now claims victory that they have stopped the event, and have officially announced a demonstration at the Zakir Naik's event. A brother helping out Al khair (the brothers bringing down zakir naik) have said that the EDL have rented out some place next to the wembley arena so as to create fuss. The brothers at Al-Khair are going through a lot of pressure at the moment.

Wa salaamu 'alaykkum

Ah, so the councilors considered DR Zakir naiks event "extreme". Incidentally, someone was forwarding an array of text messages with Helal Abbas`s number. ;)

[Kakorot]

:salam2:

Shaykh Haytham Al Haddad is talking about this live now on tv. If you have Sky, it's on 826 and finishes at 8.30pm.

Jazakumullaahu khayran.

[al-fajr]

^ What did Shaykh Haitham say? Can you possibly give us some insight..

[Kakorot]

:salam2:

-The EDL threatened the organisers of the event and said they are going to run a big march towards that area.

- One of the main people of the council of Tower Hamlets wrote a statement where he said that the EDL is an extremeist group and the Muslim organisers of the event are extreme or as extreme as the EDL. He (Helal 'Abbas) influenced the council to cancel the venue.

- Young Muslim brothers are exchanging emails and are trying to defend the brothers of the event, but we don’t want a clash, if they want to demonstrate, it should be peaceful etc.

- Muslim brothers are not cowards and can defend themselves but we don’t want backlash etc. but if we need to defend ourselves, the brothers are ready to defend themselves.

- More ppl are coming so they’re getting a bigger venue.

- Alhamdulillaah, sometimes we hate something and Allaah jalla wa ’alaa brings khayr out of it. The affairs of the Muslims are good inshaAllaah.

- The EDL want to create problems for muslims. They hate islam and Muslims.

- S. Haytham asked a rhetorical question. I remember he said something like, "If they want an intellectual debate..." I didn't get the rest but I think he was trying to say that the EDL are not serious to have a intellectual debate, rather, they just want to cause fitna.

- If they just want to kick Muslims from Britain, the law won’t allow it and the Muslims won’t allow etc.

- Many people say that EDL are just fascists and want to create violence, threaten Muslims, for the Muslims to be afraid and stop arranging events, that is their aim.

- Rumours that event will be cancelled of the al khair event but it’s still going on.

- It's our civil right to conduct events.

- Anti-Islam people who appose Islam are increasing.

- The duty as Muslims is the main focus role. Cancellation of the event in the hall and re-locating it alhamdulilaah brought the Muslims together. Many Muslim organisations came together.

- Islamic Forum of Europe, LMC, Hizb ut Tahrir, ELM, Islam Channel, even Sufi’s supported the brothers and even Barelvis showed their solidarity of the organisers of the event.

- When Muslims are attacked, we come together but doesn’t mean just when we get attacked, we should come togther. Even though we have different views, we still have more things in common than what disunites us. This was manifested clearly in the event. This shows that Muslims irrespective of the methodology they follow, have allegiance towards Allaah and His messenger, also feel allegiance to Muslims.

- Muslims are allegiance of each other and that was manifested clearly in the recent events.

- We should be united more. Yeh, we have differences, but we as Muslims, we may call each other kaafir but this should be between us. Even if some people refuse to pray behind me (S. Haytham), that is ok because that will never stop. But we should keep this between ourselves. The outsiders, non-Muslims should look towards us as one ummah. Countless ayaat speak of this. The Muslim are brothers of Muslim. The Prophet :saw2: gave the example that the Muslims are one body, all of us know this so why don’t we invest on those ayaat and hadeeth?

^ Didn't watch all of it and that's what I got. So his main message was about unity and how we should stand together and support one another. May Allaah bless and protect Shaykh Haytham, ameen.

[Kakorot]

Assalaamu'alaykum.

Just for the benefit of brothers and sisters, the edl found out where the new venue is and they're coming tomorrow. So keep your family and friends safe with you.

Fee amaanillaah.