Who is the leader of sunnis?

[arzafar]

:salam2:

I guess we have all heard the outspoken ahmedenijaad of Iran. Needless to say im a fan of him (and chavez) simply because he has a couple and calls a spade a spade. At least he can speak to the imperialist eye to eye. Unfortunately he's shia. So my question is whether you know of any sunni leadership emerging that we can look forward to actually leading us. kindly share some names.

[revert2007]

Assalamualikum.Well I would just say it is our beloved prophet Muhammad pbuh.We do not need any other leader except Muhammad pbuh alone.Assalamualikum.

[arzafar]

Assalamualikum.Well I would just say it is our beloved prophet Muhammad pbuh.We do not need any other leader except Muhammad pbuh alone.Assalamualikum.

well but he (saw) has passed away. so now the question is whether we have anybody who will lead us on his (saw) steps. Leadership is very important.

"An army of sheep led by a lion is better than an army of lions led by a sheep."

[revert2007]

well but he (saw) has passed away. so now the question is whether we have anybody who will lead us on his (saw) steps. Leadership is very important.

"An army of sheep led by a lion is better than an army of lions led by a sheep."

I don't think so we need any leadership besides Muhammad pbuh as Allah s.w.t mentioned in Quran to follow the footsteps of Muhammad pbuh alone.When we begin to follow other leaderships then the ummah will be corrupted as it is now many people have their own role models and so on.

Just follow the Quran and the sunnah of Prophet Muhammad pbuh.
Allah knows the best.Assalamualikum.

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

I am not a sectarian. However, even after the demise of the Prophet, may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, we had to have leadership. And we did. I know this to be a fact.

Sister it is not what you think. We just have to look at Islamic history. We have to decide who we are going to trust in this day and time.

[Abu Talib]

:salam2:

Yes we need a leader but not like Ahmedinijad I am wondering what Qualities should a leader of Sunnis have? And if so how we can choose him

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,


Brother we make dua world wide. We unite in a day of dua. We have to be of firm conviction. We have to return to understanding that the masjid is our first means of leadership and organization. The family unit is the primary social oraganization..secondly we need to return to the concept of community. We are lacking in this.
In our lives we are so busy answering to everyone and everything..but not to our Islamic responsibilites. We forget the sin we bring upon ourselves..as we allow the kuffir to penentrate into our world. We allow ourselves to become second class citizens. I digress, forgive me.

[revert2007]

well as a revert I am not going to follow any leaders.I need to play safe.It is more than enough for me to follow quran and sunnah.I do take the scholars advice and so on but that doesn't mean I am following any particular leadership.I do not follow any particular mazhab and I do not have to either.People these days tend to confuse new Muslims and many reverts are shia as well.Alhamdulilah I know very well what I am practising :)
That is just my point of view.It can differ from one person to the other.I testify

Ashadu ala ilaha illa'llah.

wa Ashadu anna Muhammadan ‘abduhu rasuluh




I bear witness that there is no God to be worshiped but Allah,

and I bear witness that Muhammad is His servant and messenger





I didn't testify to follow any leadership.I accept the knowledge being contributed and I learn from them yet I will not say I choose them as my leaders..Even prophet Muhammad pbuh is not alive,his teaching is still alive.so why do we need someone else.if the leader teaches something new,then we are in trouble.Islam is already beautiful as it is and we do not need to substract or add anything.

My leader is Muhammad pbuh and I am happy about it and I am proud about it:)
Allah knows the best


Assalamualikum :)

[arzafar]

yes aapa got my point.

so do you see any one around you who could lead the Muslim community. i would like to know from other people as well especially from arab countries, if they see and future leaders. anyone doing honest social/welfare work fort muslims, someone who is respected etc.

btw sister revert following the caliph is obligatory. atm there is no caliph but in the future if there is one, all muslims must follow him.

[arzafar]

:salam2:

Yes we need a leader but not like Ahmedinijad I am wondering what Qualities should a leader of Sunnis have? And if so how we can choose him

he follows the teachings of Muhammad ibn abdullah. sister revert has already made that point.

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

Sister Revert has made a critical point. We need to heed this. Islam is an ever growing faith. Once a person had decided to return to Islam..they can become very frustrated with it. My goodness..there is so much out there. And here are simple people trying to work on being Believers. In a simple analogy..the revert puts his toes in the froth of the ocean and Islam comes like a tidal wave.
What we lack is organization. I find this amusing. We, Muslims, have our own time. I have found myself at the masjid at 9:30. Prayers are supposed to start at 10:00. No-one shows up until 10:15. I now have a key!
I think of the Eid's. It would be so nice to be able to tell my boss I will be taking such and such a day off..naw..we are Muslims.

We have to unify on a grassroots level. We have to have representatives without egos meet on a state level and move to a national level. However..in the States I see a lot of Large Egos.

Thus, I say first criteria is no ego.

[hayat84]

:salam2:
we are in 2010 and we sunnits have arrived till now without the leadership of anybody but the teaching of prophet Muhammed (SAWS),and we are strong.maybe in the next future it will come a leader,but I suppose that politic may confond religion,like Ahmadinejad is making now,by denying the existence of Israelits,and the Quran doesn't allow this,even if it is often said that the Jewish have been punished by Allah for thei misbelief.:wasalam::SMILY259:

[revert2007]

Well I of course do not object the idea of having someone who can encourage us to be a better Muslim and lead us to the right path.But lets see those who are already following some leaders.If they were to do dawah,are they going to ask the new reverts to follow the leader whom they think is the perfect leader or are they going to tell the new reverts to follow the sunnah of Muhammad pbuh?

When we add too much new things into Islam,things become so complicated.May be in the beginning the leader is a good person and he manage to get many followers.What if one day syaitan mislead him?his followers will be mislead as well.Why take the risk?

There were caliphs during the prophets time but I don't think there is in todays time.As Islam is already well established and we seriuosly do not need anyone to tell us what is right and what is wrong as what comes from them but not be true.Everything is in Quran and Sunnah.We just need people to explain what is written in Quran and Sunnah.I guess we already have many people who are doing great job in explaining Quran and Sunnah such as Ibn Kathir,BUkhari,Muslim and others in sha Allah.

We do not need to hold tight to one particular leader as no one is perfect.The perfect iman on earth is the iman of Muhammad pbuh.and i will never ever agree if someone say they can be the leader and lead us.Even after prophet muhammad pbuh death,did any of his companion step forward and say"I am your new leader and follow me"?No..no one said that.All they did is just follow the quran and sunnah and spread what have been taught by the prophet pbuh.


In todays time,we must be really be careful whom we follow.Once a person has great knowledge in Quran and Sunnah,he can easly know who is telling the truth and who is not.

We as Muslims,brothers and sisters in Islam can advice and encourage and remind each other.We do not need one particular person to lead us.
Allah knows the best. :)Assalamualikum.

[Aisya al-Humaira]

Assalamualaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,

At this moment, honestly, I'm not sure on who we should follow. If our khalifah (leader) happens to be like Saidina Umar al-Khattab, Khalifah Harun ar-Rasyid or Sallahuddin Al-Ayubi who were sincere to establish a Khilafah al-Islamiyah (an Islamic administration like at the time of the leaders mentioned), then we have no doubts to follow such leader and give our vows to them. But yes, at this time of fitnah, we need to hold on strongly to the Quraan and as-Sunnah as we can't distinguish who are the genuine leader fighting in the cause of Allaah and who aren't.

But inshAllaah at the end of this world, it is Prophet Isa a'laihi salam who will lead this ummah.

Wassalam.

[Aisha hussain..]

salam alykum

wow i always use to think about having a sunni leader i like Ahmedinejad but he only supports shia's in my country, and that would be so great if there would be caliph for this generation of the ummah, this ummah will go under drastics changes and the ignorant Muslim will then seriously take the religion as it was inshallah

i hope this comes trus inshallah :)

[Abu Talib]

Assalamualaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,

At this moment, honestly, I'm not sure on who we should follow. If our khalifah (leader) happens to be like Saidina Umar al-Khattab, Khalifah Harun ar-Rasyid or Sallahuddin Al-Ayubi who were sincere to establish a Khilafah al-Islamiyah (an Islamic administration like at the time of the leaders mentioned), then we have no doubts to follow such leader and give our vows to them. But yes, at this time of fitnah, we need to hold on strongly to the Quraan and as-Sunnah as we can't distinguish who are the genuine leader fighting in the cause of Allaah and who aren't.

But inshAllaah at the end of this world, it is Prophet Isa a'laihi salam who will lead this ummah.

Wassalam.

You made me rise by telling those great leaders names. By Allaah they were full of Taqwa and ruled according to Allaah's command.

[Korai_28]

:salam2:

I guess we have all heard the outspoken ahmedenijaad of Iran. Needless to say im a fan of him (and chavez) simply because he has a couple and calls a spade a spade. At least he can speak to the imperialist eye to eye. Unfortunately he's shia. So my question is whether you know of any sunni leadership emerging that we can look forward to actually leading us. kindly share some names.

there is no one and nobody is gonna come in ages also..

the concept of khilafat cant work now, we tried it and it failed (i am talking about khilfat usmania), and there is not a single muslim country which can sustain the burden of khilafa, also muslims r divided even more now.. i dont see any chances of any great leader..

[arzafar]

but that's the point i was making. we dont have the umar's and the abu bakr's but we still need a representative, a voice for the ummah, somebody to look up to in times of distress, who will give us a direction and renew our confidence. We have to start from somewhere and our future leaders have to come from within us.

As far as pakistan is concerned, there is a severe dearth of any sort of leadership. Edhi sahab is doing some awesome welfare work, may Allah reward him for that but generally people are just hypocritical, selfish and dead!

At the moment the wrong sort of people are representing us which is partially our own fault. But surely we all wish to have a true leader too. Perhaps mulism are not ready for a change yet. I guess we'll have to dig deep and hang in there for the time being although i don't have a good feeling about the coming decades. More humiliation for islam and fitna for muslims coming up. Inshallah we will survive it.

P.S.
leadership is more than just being a good muslim. you have to motivate and manage people; get the best out of everybody. Prophet Muhammad (saw) was a great leader apart from being a prophet. Unfortunately there are no true muslim leaders i see around me.

[Aisya al-Humaira]

there is no one and nobody is gonna come in ages also..

the concept of khilafat cant work now, we tried it and it failed (i am talking about khilfat usmania), and there is not a single muslim country which can sustain the burden of khilafa, also muslims r divided even more now.. i dont see any chances of any great leader..

Akhi,

It doesn't takes a day to establish a Khilafah Islamiyah nor does it takes a day to bring up a generation who will fight sincerely for Islam. Imam al-Ghazali wasn't able to see the effect of his book; Ihya Ulum ad-Deen to the Muslims at the time of his life. Only when he has passed away, we can see how his books are widely used, search and learned by many up until this day.

We still have hopes and our weapon; dua'a. Of course, we need to make an effort and struggle first and foremost to our best and greatest abilities to put Islam at the highest level, the place where it belongs. As well do we believe that one day, Islam will arise right before Yaum al-Akhirah.

In an Islamic magazine I read, the ulama at the time of the great leaders had a very big role in the country's administration. The ulama won't hesitate to correct the mistakes of the khalifah.

Khalifah Harun ar-Rasyid wanted to learn and seek knowledge from an ulama (the magazine didnt mentioned his name). He invited the ulama to his palace. However the ulama said, "If you want to seek knowledge from me, it is you who have to come to my place." And so, Khalifah Harun ar-Rasyid, who manage to conquer 2/3 of the world during his leadership humbled himself to seek knowledge from an ulama at his time. MashaAllaah. It is such man, such honourable and true Muslim man that we need, who will, bi ithnillah, be the leader of the Muslim ummah.

History of Khilafah Uthmaniyyah, Umaiyyah and Abbasiyah showed us that the reason they fell apart were due to the weak leaderships. They became great when their leader submit sincerely to Allaah, when their heart weren't attached to the worldly matters. But when their hearts become attached to the world, corruption happened widely around the country and their defence for the country became weak, that's when they came to the end of the Khilafah.

I pray that may we be among those who will still be alive, to see the rise of Islam, as history has shown that we were once the greatest nation in this world. Keep working and keep praying. May our dua'a be heard and maqbool by Allaah subhanahu wa Ta'ala. Aminn Ya Rabb al-Alameen.

Waalaykummusalam wa rahmatullah.

[Ibn Uthaymin]

Muhammed Al Mahdi?

[BrotherInIslam7]

Salaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi

I think fellow brothers and sisters are confusing leadership with being outspoken and being an annoyance for the west. Leadership encompasses far more than that. First and foremost, a proper Islamic government should abide by Allah's law and the treat it's subjects according to it.

Mr Ahmadinajad's govt fails in both of the above mentioned. Neither is the country run on Quran and Sunnah nor are the subjects treated properly.

Ahmadinajad is what you call a 'puppet' of the Ayatollah of Iran. He has come from the Basij revoltuionary armguards system in Iran. These are loyal cold blooded murderers who take command from the Shi'ite clerics. Very much like a government run mafia. They kill and harm innocent humans, the evidence is all over the internet and print media.

With regards to being outspoken against the 'west', he is only using it as a diversion for the atrocities that are happening in his own country. When asked about the girl 'Neda' who was shot dead on video by the armed forces, Mr Ahmadinajad quickly becomes the voice of the muslims with a photo of the muslim hijabi woman (May Allah have mercy on her) who was murdered in Germany.

This is not advocating the right of the muslims. This is one of the prime tools in international politics. If the government of a country is accused by a military superpower, it comes out accusing it back on 10 other issues which can range from corruption to poor human rights. In other words, its a sign of 'hypocrisy' of the highest order.

In light of common sense and a bit of political science, such a government system will eventually fail. The majority of the people feel hard done by their government and are oppressed. And the government responds by increasing censorship in the country and painting a nice picture that everything is okay.
In addition, anyone who speaks against the government is an 'enemy of god' and can be jailed, tortured or executed. All evil is attributed to 'western agents', when they themselves have tried to spread their kufr in so many countries using the same tactics.

May Allah subhaanaho waa ta'ala save us from their evil and bring their downfall. Ameen

Wasalaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi

[arzafar]

Salaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi

I think fellow brothers and sisters are confusing leadership with being outspoken and being an annoyance for the west. Leadership encompasses far more than that. First and foremost, a proper Islamic government should abide by Allah's law and the treat it's subjects according to it.

Mr Ahmadinajad's govt fails in both of the above mentioned. Neither is the country run on Quran and Sunnah nor are the subjects treated properly.

Ahmadinajad is what you call a 'puppet' of the Ayatollah of Iran. He has come from the Basij revoltuionary armguards system in Iran. These are loyal cold blooded murderers who take command from the Shi'ite clerics. Very much like a government run mafia. They kill and harm innocent humans, the evidence is all over the internet and print media.

With regards to being outspoken against the 'west', he is only using it as a diversion for the atrocities that are happening in his own country. When asked about the girl 'Neda' who was shot dead on video by the armed forces, Mr Ahmadinajad quickly becomes the voice of the muslims with a photo of the muslim hijabi woman (May Allah have mercy on her) who was murdered in Germany.

This is not advocating the right of the muslims. This is one of the prime tools in international politics. If the government of a country is accused by a military superpower, it comes out accusing it back on 10 other issues which can range from corruption to poor human rights. In other words, its a sign of 'hypocrisy' of the highest order.

In light of common sense and a bit of political science, such a government system will eventually fail. The majority of the people feel hard done by their government and are oppressed. And the government responds by increasing censorship in the country and painting a nice picture that everything is okay.
In addition, anyone who speaks against the government is an 'enemy of god' and can be jailed, tortured or executed. All evil is attributed to 'western agents', when they themselves have tried to spread their kufr in so many countries using the same tactics.

May Allah subhaanaho waa ta'ala save us from their evil and bring their downfall. Ameen

Wasalaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi

at least he is not a puppet of the US and not a coward like the muslim leaders. moreover he has a very humble lifestyle compared to some of our muslim leaders. he doesnt own big palaces, cars and is a servant to his people. majority of Iranians still support him. his main opposition is from the urban areas aka the modernists and the liberals.

[Abu Talib]

Salaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi

I think fellow brothers and sisters are confusing leadership with being outspoken and being an annoyance for the west. Leadership encompasses far more than that. First and foremost, a proper Islamic government should abide by Allah's law and the treat it's subjects according to it.

Mr Ahmadinajad's govt fails in both of the above mentioned. Neither is the country run on Quran and Sunnah nor are the subjects treated properly.

Ahmadinajad is what you call a 'puppet' of the Ayatollah of Iran. He has come from the Basij revoltuionary armguards system in Iran. These are loyal cold blooded murderers who take command from the Shi'ite clerics. Very much like a government run mafia. They kill and harm innocent humans, the evidence is all over the internet and print media.

With regards to being outspoken against the 'west', he is only using it as a diversion for the atrocities that are happening in his own country. When asked about the girl 'Neda' who was shot dead on video by the armed forces, Mr Ahmadinajad quickly becomes the voice of the muslims with a photo of the muslim hijabi woman (May Allah have mercy on her) who was murdered in Germany.

This is not advocating the right of the muslims. This is one of the prime tools in international politics. If the government of a country is accused by a military superpower, it comes out accusing it back on 10 other issues which can range from corruption to poor human rights. In other words, its a sign of 'hypocrisy' of the highest order.

In light of common sense and a bit of political science, such a government system will eventually fail. The majority of the people feel hard done by their government and are oppressed. And the government responds by increasing censorship in the country and painting a nice picture that everything is okay.
In addition, anyone who speaks against the government is an 'enemy of god' and can be jailed, tortured or executed. All evil is attributed to 'western agents', when they themselves have tried to spread their kufr in so many countries using the same tactics.

May Allah subhaanaho waa ta'ala save us from their evil and bring their downfall. Ameen

Wasalaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi

That's absolutely true brother. During the iranian crisis recently I had been monitoring it closely and also spoke to Iranians inside Iran they say the same. They are being ruled in the name of religion and if these basijis catch any woman she doesn't come back alive. They rule under the banner of there so called Islam. And I did find this video when I was monitoring the Iranian crisis.
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[Binyamine]

This is a good question...

[Aisha hussain..]

salam alaykum brother

this was an eye opening video may Allah bless you for this,every iranian should watch this and i recently changed my passport and i was saying my dad i wish i could have my iranian passport agian
iam really thankfull to Allah whatever happens happens for our benefit

lets not debate over Ahmedinijed may Allah protect us from the ignorance of iran and lets not waste our time we should concentrate on what this thread started on

wasalam alaykum :)

[weakslave]

A leader of what exactly? If the "muslim" masses can't get together to rid Palestine of the jews, nor can the "muslims" get together to defend Afghanistan, then what is there for a Muslim sunni leader to lead?

When Islam rises again as a force to be reckoned with, Allaah will assist the people in choosing the most righteous to lead them. Until then, focus on being a leader and a role model in your family and among your community.

And that pushes me further to say: what have we as individuals done for our society as Muslims that is deserving of a leader? Or do we expect to sit on our hands and have someone come along and cleanup our mess?

This is why Allaah said

لَهُ مُعَقِّبَاتٌ مِّن بَيْنِ يَدَيْهِ وَمِنْ خَلْفِهِ يَحْفَظُونَهُ مِنْ أَمْرِ اللّهِ إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يُغَيِّرُ مَا بِقَوْمٍ حَتَّى يُغَيِّرُواْ مَا بِأَنْفُسِهِمْ وَإِذَا أَرَادَ اللّهُ بِقَوْمٍ سُوءًا فَلاَ مَرَدَّ لَهُ وَمَا لَهُم مِّن دُونِهِ مِن وَالٍ

For each one are successive [angels] before and behind him who protect him by the decree of Allah. Indeed, Allah will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves. And when Allah intends for a people ill, there is no repelling it. And there is not for them besides Him any patron. {13:11}

I have seen enough Muslim communities by now to say that it is absolutely disgraceful to see no one stepping up to the plate to volunteer or take responsibility when it comes to giving up time for the sake of Allaah. Upon the first signs of difficulty they are quick to jump off the boat: and say I am too busy, I don't have time, I, I, I!

The Prophet :saw: left two generations of hardworking leaders to take over the huge responsibility of spreading the message. And now.. there is no one around to step up to the plate or even show signs of caring.

So I ask again, a leader of what?

[Korai_28]

at least he is not a puppet of the US and not a pussy like the muslim leaders. moreover he has a very humble lifestyle compared to some of our muslim leaders. he doesnt own big palaces, cars and is a servant to his people. majority of Iranians still support him. his main opposition is from the urban areas aka the modernists and the liberals.

very much true..
i am with u on this..
people need to be more practical.

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

Wow...we have several issues going on here. We almost are unraveling a rope and examining each thread.

Please tell me if I am wrong:
1. We are experiencing a loss of identity. We are looking for guidance. We want to connect to other Muslims..i.e. Muslim Nation.
2. We want a leader. We are not sure if this leader will implement political/social order or if the leadership will seek to provide Islamic guidance.
3. We have mentioned leaders of men of the past. We tried to list their characterstics.
4. We have asserted what we don't want in leadership.
5. We have defined the need of individual Muslim responsibility.

It would be easier if we discussed each one..as each has merits worthy of sound Islamic explanations.

And please forgive me..there is a response with an inappropriate word. It is not becoming to use such a word as your sisters find it offensive. Would you be so kind as to find a more suitable expression.

your aapa

[iloveislam78]

MUHAMMED PBUH

was the last leader,

its our job as muslims to hold steadfast to his teachings and practises.

we dont need another ruler by gum!!!! lol

[iloveislam78]

AND YES IM IN AGREEMENT WITH SISTER ABOVE ASTAGFIRULLAH PEOPLE SHOULD FEAR ALLAH SWT AND REFRAIN FROM USING DISGUSTING WORDS, WHICH ARE OFFENSIVE TO BOTH MEN AND WOMEN!!!! AS MODESTY IS NOT JUST FOR MUSLIMAHS

JAZAKALLAH!!

[Aisya al-Humaira]

A leader of what exactly? If the "muslim" masses can't get together to rid Palestine of the jews, nor can the "muslims" get together to defend Afghanistan, then what is there for a Muslim sunni leader to lead?

When Islam rises again as a force to be reckoned with, Allaah will assist the people in choosing the most righteous to lead them. Until then, focus on being a leader and a role model in your family and among your community.

And that pushes me further to say: what have we as individuals done for our society as Muslims that is deserving of a leader? Or do we expect to sit on our hands and have someone come along and cleanup our mess?

This is why Allaah said

لَهُ مُعَقِّبَاتٌ مِّن بَيْنِ يَدَيْهِ وَمِنْ خَلْفِهِ يَحْفَظُونَهُ مِنْ أَمْرِ اللّهِ إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يُغَيِّرُ مَا بِقَوْمٍ حَتَّى يُغَيِّرُواْ مَا بِأَنْفُسِهِمْ وَإِذَا أَرَادَ اللّهُ بِقَوْمٍ سُوءًا فَلاَ مَرَدَّ لَهُ وَمَا لَهُم مِّن دُونِهِ مِن وَالٍ

For each one are successive [angels] before and behind him who protect him by the decree of Allah. Indeed, Allah will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves. And when Allah intends for a people ill, there is no repelling it. And there is not for them besides Him any patron. {13:11}

I have seen enough Muslim communities by now to say that it is absolutely disgraceful to see no one stepping up to the plate to volunteer or take responsibility when it comes to giving up time for the sake of Allaah. Upon the first signs of difficulty they are quick to jump off the boat: and say I am too busy, I don't have time, I, I, I!

The Prophet :saw: left two generations of hardworking leaders to take over the huge responsibility of spreading the message. And now.. there is no one around to step up to the plate or even show signs of caring.

So I ask again, a leader of what?

If I may answer the question. It is a leader for our whole Muslim Ummah that we need. A leader who will lead us as we can see that we are falling apart, being disunited.

While it is true that we can lead those under our power such as ourselves and our families, however, it would be wrong if we just wait; to just wait for a leader such as Hassan al-Banna to help our Ummah get back on the right track.

Why don't we, ourselves, prepare to be leaders? Or at least prepare our children to lead the nation as they will determine how our future will be.

Something that I need to ponder as well.

Wassalam.

[al-fajr]

Assalamu'alaykum

There were caliphs during the prophets time but I don't think there is in todays time.As Islam is already well established and we seriuosly do not need anyone to tell us what is right and what is wrong as what comes from them but not be true.Everything is in Quran and Sunnah.We just need people to explain what is written in Quran and Sunnah.I guess we already have many people who are doing great job in explaining Quran and Sunnah such as Ibn Kathir,BUkhari,Muslim and others in sha Allah.

We do not need to hold tight to one particular leader as no one is perfect.The perfect iman on earth is the iman of Muhammad pbuh.and i will never ever agree if someone say they can be the leader and lead us.Even after prophet muhammad pbuh death,did any of his companion step forward and say"I am your new leader and follow me"?No..no one said that.All they did is just follow the quran and sunnah and spread what have been taught by the prophet pbuh.

Sis, the muslims are in need of a Khilafah upon Qur'aan and Sunnah ..thats the way it should be and that is how it was after Rasulullaah :saw: death.

The Shari'ah is there to be enforced and implemented, not studied and kept in huge volumes on dusty bookshelves. There is noway that can be done properly without a leader, leadership is the Sunnah way.

[arzafar]

i guess people are still dreaming.

We dont have the umar's the saladins etc. as i said before we have to make do with what we have. we have the examples of our pious predecessors but who is going to take the lead from them and lead us like they did. Individual responsibility is one thing but im talking about collective wisdom and strength through unity.

for eg. who is going to stand up against the ban on veil/minartes/halal only food in Europe? nobody - there are 1001 organizations/demonstrations. In fact some 'muslims' are saying that the ban is good and shariah is bad. now let's say if we had 1 leader who could rally the muslims for this cause we could have had 11 demonstration with a 100K people in each. Organization, discipline and unity make a big difference.

then we have 'muslims' who jump the sinking ship in muslim countries and immigrate to the west for a better life, instead of helping solve the problems in their own countries.

Now there are no leaders at the world stage that can do that so we move to lower levels. Is there a governor, a mayor, an elder you have met/seen who is a good muslim and a good leader. Who has worked for his community and improved the life and deen of the average muslims. kindly share some names.


bro abu talib and bro in islam, you are presenting just one side of the story. here is the other side.

The Fox News TV (US) asked the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad; " When you look into the mirror in the morning what do you say to yourself"? He answered: I see the person in the mirror and tells him " Remember, you are no more than a small servant, ahead of you today is the heavy responsibility, and that is to serve the Iranian nation". And this was how the broadcaster introduced him.

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and whatever his beleifs, there is a class in his kufr. Like there was class to umar and khalid even before they converted to islam; which is why the prophet prayed for them to convert to islam. This 'claas' im talking about is natural and suddenly one day you cant wake up and become a leader. sadly the sunnis lack such leadership.

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[Abu Talib]

Your talks make me remind of what HT ppl propagate for Khilafah pretty similar facts.

Perhaps you forgot Indian leader Mahatma Gandhi he was more simpler than Ahmedinajad. You like a leader whose ideology and Govt. want to harm the Sunnis in his own state. Even I admired him so much seeing his speeches and at the UN but after knowing the reality its all gimmick under the banner of Islam they do.

[al-fajr]

Assalamu'alaykum

at least he is not a puppet of the US and not a coward like the muslim leaders. moreover he has a very humble lifestyle compared to some of our muslim leaders. he doesnt own big palaces, cars and is a servant to his people. majority of Iranians still support him. his main opposition is from the urban areas aka the modernists and the liberals.

Stop praising a misguided Shi'ah :rolleyes: ..he wouldn't last a nano-second as leader of Ahlus Sunnah ..hilarious to think it even.

[arzafar]

Your talks make me remind of what HT ppl propagate for Khilafah pretty similar facts.

Perhaps you forgot Indian leader Mahatma Gandhi he was more simpler than Ahmedinajad. You like a leader whose ideology and Govt. want to harm the Sunnis in his own state. Even I admired him so much seeing his speeches and at the UN but after knowing the reality its all gimmick under the banner of Islam they do.

gandhi wasnt a great leader imo; nehru was a far better. he had the class (i cant find a better word to describe it)! And ahmedinijaad is far better than anything the sunnis have to offer. educated, practical, simple, effective and leads by example.

some people need to remove the rose tinted glasses and face up to the realities of life. you aint going to find a messiah in this day and age; so there are two options
1) do nothing and maintain the status quo. continue to watch patiently as islam is battered and the muslims deteriorate further.
2) find good youth and groom them to become future leaders who can stand up for the muslims and lead them in the coming years. arrange muslim youth conferences discuss world issues, solve problems, help the muslims etc, instead of wasting time driving cars and playing warcraft.

i like the 2nd option because The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever among you sees an evil action, let him change it with his hand [by taking action]; and if he cannot, then with his tongue [by speaking out]; and if he cannot, then with his heart [by feeling that it is wrong] – and that is the weakest of faith.” (Narrated by Muslim, 49)

P.S. Im not calling for rebelling against muslims leaders and i never said that i wanted ahmeidnijad as the leader of the muslims. the hate and preconceived notions here are amazing. Go through my posts again and find me one place where i said that. I did appreciate his simplicity, honesty and dedication to his people which sadly i dont find in any sunni leader at the moment. The whole topic was to identify leaders from amongst the muslims of today so that they may be nurtured for the future. im fed up with lousy royals and ruthless dictators. But as usual we are too busy pulling each other's legs. I guess more suffering and humiliation is required before muslims actually wake up and smell the coffee.

[Abu Talib]

gandhi wasnt a great leader imo; nehru was a far better. he had the class (i cant find a better word to describe it)! And ahmedinijaad is far better than anything the sunnis have to offer. educated, practical, simple, effective and leads by example.

some people need to remove the rose tinted glasses and face up to the realities of life. you aint going to find a messiah in this day and age; so there are two options
1) do nothing and maintain the status quo. continue to watch patiently as islam is battered and the muslims deteriorate further.
2) find good youth and groom them to become future leaders who can stand up for the muslims and lead them in the coming years. arrange muslim youth conferences discuss world issues, solve problems, help the muslims etc, instead of wasting time driving cars and playing warcraft.

i like the 2nd option because The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever among you sees an evil action, let him change it with his hand [by taking action]; and if he cannot, then with his tongue [by speaking out]; and if he cannot, then with his heart [by feeling that it is wrong] – and that is the weakest of faith.” (Narrated by Muslim, 49)

P.S. Im not calling for rebelling against muslims leaders and i never said that i wanted ahmeidnijad as the leader of the muslims. the hate and preconceived notions here are amazing. Go through my posts again and find me one place where i said that. I did appreciate his simplicity, honesty and dedication to his people which sadly i dont find in any sunni leader at the moment. The whole topic was to identify leaders from amongst the muslims of today so that they may be nurtured for the future. im fed up with lousy royals and ruthless dictators. But as usual we are too busy pulling each other's legs. I guess more suffering and humiliation is required before muslims actually wake up and smell the coffee.

I respect your opinion and thoughts on Ahmedinajad. But try talking to Iranians from Iran then know the reality you have seen him on TV and all. Politicians are mavericks of quotes & statements so it won't surprise me what Ahmedinijad said. And for the pictures then do you know when they were taken then ? Have a look at Obamas pictures in earlier years of his life before becoming President may be he would also look more humble, educated, simple too as Ahmedinijad.

P.S: Its just a fruitful discussion not a argument.

[Aisha hussain..]

salam alaykum lol bro ask me iam an iranian sunni ask us how much we face in and out iran
may Allah rectify the conditions in iran specially those who are following the sunnah of prophet Muhammad saw

[weakslave]

If I may answer the question. It is a leader for our whole Muslim Ummah that we need. A leader who will lead us as we can see that we are falling apart, being disunited.

While it is true that we can lead those under our power such as ourselves and our families, however, it would be wrong if we just wait; to just wait for a leader such as Hassan al-Banna to help our Ummah get back on the right track.

Why don't we, ourselves, prepare to be leaders? Or at least prepare our children to lead the nation as they will determine how our future will be.

Something that I need to ponder as well.

Wassalam.

Exactly my point sister. Thank you.

[arzafar]

I respect your opinion and thoughts on Ahmedinajad. But try talking to Iranians from Iran then know the reality you have seen him on TV and all. Politicians are mavericks of quotes & statements so it won't surprise me what Ahmedinijad said. And for the pictures then do you know when they were taken then ? Have a look at Obamas pictures in earlier years of his life before becoming President may be he would also look more humble, educated, simple too as Ahmedinijad.

P.S: Its just a fruitful discussion not a argument.

OPnce he came to the US he was no longer 'simple'. you cant be harvard law grduate and not financially successful. Plus he can talk the talk very well so must be raking in the bucks. I think in his book he mentions working for the big guys and that's where he joined politics.

This thread was not about ahmedinijad. I just mentioned him because imo shia have a godd leader in him. Off course they could bfind someone better. Most of the outcry against ahmedinijad are from the liberal/secular/modernist iranians.

[BrotherInIslam7]

gandhi wasnt a great leader imo; nehru was a far better. he had the class (i cant find a better word to describe it)! And ahmedinijaad is far better than anything the sunnis have to offer. educated, practical, simple, effective and leads by example.




:salam2:

I think you have been dished some Shia'a propaganda. First of all, there is more than clear evidence that Mr Ahmedinajad rigged the iranian election. The landslide victory in re-election was announced barely after all the votes were cast. It is almost impossible for them to count and him being the Ayatollah's man, he was elected.

If you like him just because he is an annoyance for the west, then that's your choice. But he is no great leader. How can a man with a good heart or conscience lead a country that targets and kills its own people ? Intruding into homes and killing people, innocents whose only 'sin' was to expose the rigged elections.

Mr Ahmadinajad is not educated visionary either. The iranian economy has slumped and is in dire straits. There are record rates of unemployment (which is why young folk detest him). Also, if you understand farsi, you would have known about the superstitious statements he has made, fooling poor ignorant masses of his country.

How can you say that he is better than most Sunni leaders when most of them has strived to preserved the essence of islam 'tawheed', whereas the relgious clerics promote shirk in name of prophet's family ?

I think a major problem is that muslims think that by aping Kuffar we are going to match their prosperity and military might. This is not our success. Our success is re-establishing the tawheed of Allah on muslim lands. May Allah subhaanaho waa ta'ala grant it to us. Ameen

And I think you should read their views on Sunni muslims. I guess their description of Sunnis will have a profound effect on what you think of them, to say the least.

Wasalaamalaykum

[Ayyub]

Salam:

The Sheikh's are in a sense the leader of the followers of ahlu sunna waljam'a.
To say we want a leader like Umar al khattab (ra) or Salahuddin Al Ayyubi (ra) is a bit unfair casue our ummah nowaday isn't as it was in the past.
The ummah which these two great personalitys led filled the masjid in the fajr prayer like it was a salah al Joum'a.
If we become great beliver like the ummah in the past used to be then we surely will get great leaders that will only rule on sharia.
But we nowadys are badmouthing the Ulama and the Ulama themselves are speaking bad about each other.

So do we deserve great leader like the previious mentioned once?
At the time I would say no but the time will nshallah come where our ummah would deserve such great people.

Besides this persons had a united ummah not an ummah divided into 73 groups/partys/manhaj etc.

wa'laikum isalam

[arzafar]

:salam2:

I think you have been dished some Shia'a propaganda. First of all, there is more than clear evidence that Mr Ahmedinajad rigged the iranian election. The landslide victory in re-election was announced barely after all the votes were cast. It is almost impossible for them to count and him being the Ayatollah's man, he was elected.

If you like him just because he is an annoyance for the west, then that's your choice. But he is no great leader. How can a man with a good heart or conscience lead a country that targets and kills its own people ? Intruding into homes and killing people, innocents whose only 'sin' was to expose the rigged elections.

Mr Ahmadinajad is not educated visionary either. The iranian economy has slumped and is in dire straits. There are record rates of unemployment (which is why young folk detest him). Also, if you understand farsi, you would have known about the superstitious statements he has made, fooling poor ignorant masses of his country.

How can you say that he is better than most Sunni leaders when most of them has strived to preserved the essence of islam 'tawheed', whereas the relgious clerics promote shirk in name of prophet's family ?

I think a major problem is that muslims think that by aping Kuffar we are going to match their prosperity and military might. This is not our success. Our success is re-establishing the tawheed of Allah on muslim lands. May Allah subhaanaho waa ta'ala grant it to us. Ameen

And I think you should read their views on Sunni muslims. I guess their description of Sunnis will have a profound effect on what you think of them, to say the least.

Wasalaamalaykum

kindly go through my responses to abu talib. i have answered all those points.

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

Where are we going with this post.

[Abu Talib]

Assalaam walaikum,

Where are we going with this post.

:wasalam:

Iran calling!! just kidding.

Its just discussions we are having. Arzafar and me are going to meet at the U.N to decide the fate of Ahmedinijad.lol

[Ibn Uthaymin]

:wasalam:

Iran calling!! just kidding.

Its just discussions we are having. Arzafar and me are going to meet at the U.N to decide the fate of Ahmedinijad.lol

Lol ..nice!

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

My sons asked me yesterday what I thought I was. They think I am only American. I said I am of Pakistani descent. They corrected me. They told me their grandmother still insists she is Indian. My father insisted he was Pakistani. My sons and a sister turned around and all stated you were born in Iran. So you have a right to be Irani. Iran holds a spot in my heart.

Have fun with your discussions. Be kind to my Irani brothers and sisters. Do not go to the UN...today I am relaxing so I am not going to rant and rave...but do check out the history of the UN...the United Nations of the Kuffir New World Order..the devil's playground.

Everything we want in leadership is what is Not in the UN.

Behave sons and Insha'Allah you will have a good day.

[arzafar]

well we were supposed to come up with profiles of some muslims in our city, town, community who we hope will be our future leaders. Nothing to report on that front so far.

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

Sometimes before we can have a leader we need to define what it is that we need leadership. What issues do we need to have a leader address. Or are we in agreement, in a sane and rational and Muslim way. Why are disagreement.

[BrotherInIslam7]

well we were supposed to come up with profiles of some muslims in our city, town, community who we hope will be our future leaders. Nothing to report on that front so far.

:salam2:

We are all leaders ourselves. Leaders of our lives and in some cases, heads of our family.

Before we assess how heads of state and community leaders are faring, we should determine the state of how the 'Ameer' in ourselves is. How much of the shariah have we complied by and brought in our lives ? And how much have we spread over those we have influence over and to our colleagues at work, school etc.

Are we developing from our family, muslim leaders of the future ? That is the question we should be asking first and foremost.

[arzafar]

:salam2:

We are all leaders ourselves. Leaders of our lives and in some cases, heads of our family.

Before we assess how heads of state and community leaders are faring, we should determine the state of how the 'Ameer' in ourselves is. How much of the shariah have we complied by and brought in our lives ? And how much have we spread over those we have influence over and to our colleagues at work, school etc.

Are we developing from our family, muslim leaders of the future ? That is the question we should be asking first and foremost.

You are confusing personal responsibility with leadership. I guess aapa is correct, we'll have to discuss leadership and the essential characteristics of a muslim leader before identifying anyone.

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

They don't call me the old wise one for nothing.

Please continue to discuss your issues. And yes we can have both individual responsibilites and that which will provide leadership for the greater good. We are headed in the right direction. We need to remain positive. We need to look at our past and present.
As an American I see critical areas that need to be addressed; we need cohesion here. What I am seeing here is the rise of the child that was born in the states to immigrant Muslim parents and dealing with how to live Muslim as an American.
Another issue I see that must be recognized is the prejudice within the Muslim communities. That is the topic of yet another post.

Please share your thoughts.

Insha'Allah you will have a day blessed with constant dirk and salat.

my love,
your aapa

[BrotherInIslam7]

You are confusing personal responsibility with leadership. I guess aapa is correct, we'll have to discuss leadership and the essential characteristics of a muslim leader before identifying anyone.

:salam2:

No, I am not confusing the two. I am just mentioning a common trend which I used to follow myself, before someone made me realize about a few years back.

We are consumed in critically examining our nation's leaders, politicians, community leaders etc and lamenting that how they have abandoned ruling by the Quran and Sunnah and have become slaves or puppets to the west.

In reality, we are no better than our leaders, if we were to only scrutinize our own lives and see how we have gone about it and what we have contributed. Close to zilch for most us.

A leader is born among us. He is not manufactured in a factory. Therefore, he/she is a reflection of our state. When a good sizable number of people become upright from a nation, community etc; we can hope for an upright leader. Till then, we can dream on.

[arzafar]

:salam2:

No, I am not confusing the two. I am just mentioning a common trend which I used to follow myself, before someone made me realize about a few years back.

We are consumed in critically examining our nation's leaders, politicians, community leaders etc and lamenting that how they have abandoned ruling by the Quran and Sunnah and have become slaves or puppets to the west.

In reality, we are no better than our leaders, if we were to only scrutinize our own lives and see how we have gone about it and what we have contributed. Close to zilch for most us.

A leader is born among us. He is not manufactured in a factory. Therefore, he/she is a reflection of our state. When a good sizable number of people become upright from a nation, community etc; we can hope for an upright leader. Till then, we can dream on.

brother what are you talking about?

The idea was to identify people who
-follow islam in letter and spirit
-have contributed to the betterment of islam and muslims
-have leadership qualities
so that we can rally around them and hopefully they can represent us in the future. atm even the muslims who are following islam are all over the place. We have to survive in this world. we have to make sure we get the jobs, get married, education etc. off course some people are doing this noble work but it's sporadic. Hence the need of leadership.

A leader is born among us. He is not manufactured in a factory. Therefore, he/she is a reflection of our state. When a good sizable number of people become upright from a nation, community etc; we can hope for an upright leader. Till then, we can dream on.

i disagree with this theory. if it were true, prophets would never make it into the world. there is a sizable number of people following islam. if 5% of the 1.5 billion muslims are following islam correctly that still means we have 75 million true muslims!!!

[swukhti]

as salaamu alaykum to all of y'all,

with regards as to who is the leader of the sunni then it would be our beloved Prophet (saw) he left us with an example, a guidence that if we follow we will not stray bi'idnillahi ta'alaa... obviously the world we live in now aint the same subhanAllah but thats why we have the Ulamaa to answer our questions as they are much more knowledgable then us regarding matters of the deen as well as past scholars who were upon the manhaj of the salaf-as-salih the pious generations and who have left books on this topic...

im assuming you are talking about a khalifah? a leader of the muslim ummah, correct me if im wrong but i thought it would be imaam mahdi? and it's been stated in haditsh that he will come just before the arrival of Isa allayhi salaam? buh allahu a'lam

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

:salam2:wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu:)

akhi arzafar,it's a good question.especially for every brother who reads this.brothers!!!yes coz girls in islam are not allowed leadership.and for good reasons too if someone might ask why:)

my Question from my brothers is"which one of you here is educating himself to lead us"think we all know we need one badly,we all know what kind we need,we all know what he has to follow.we got brilliant example for us and i think everybrother of mine is responsible for turning his back on the ummah.everyine waiting for someone to step up when it cuold be you.may be not lead the whole ummah.a group of pious ppl,who may do gr8 stuff.so many times i wanted to do what i have to for my brothers and sisters in islam but i need my father and brother for that coz they are my leaders but they won't lead me in good as this(like everone else)they call a spade a spade but just sayng won't do.so my question to akhi is......

"WHY WON"T YOU STEP FORTH BE A LEADER.DEVELOP THE QUALITIES"
we may know a gr8 leader in the days to come.personaly,i think some brothers i know here who wud do well to lead us.if i ever told them this they'll think i've got head injuries coz none of the brothers is ready to take the responsibility

long rant!!!sorry

:salam2:wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu:)

[BrotherInIslam7]

brother what are you talking about?

The idea was to identify people who
-follow islam in letter and spirit
-have contributed to the betterment of islam and muslims
-have leadership qualities
so that we can rally around them and hopefully they can represent us in the future. atm even the muslims who are following islam are all over the place. We have to survive in this world. we have to make sure we get the jobs, get married, education etc. off course some people are doing this noble work but it's sporadic. Hence the need of leadership.

:salam2:

Firstly my dear brother in Islam, I would advise you to begin your posts with the greetings of salaam to your brothers and sisters. BarakAllahu Feek.

What you have mentioned above can be achieved if we learn to respect and listen to what our scholars say. We have to learn from them and that will be the success of our Ummah with the will and mercy of Allah subhaanaho waa ta'ala.


i disagree with this theory. if it were true, prophets would never make it into the world. there is a sizable number of people following islam. if 5% of the 1.5 billion muslims are following islam correctly that still means we have 75 million true muslims!!!


Prophets propagated their call to Tawheed and spread it far and wide. Unlike present day, when our beloved sisters and brothers are going towards the opposite ie Jahaliyya and following the kuffar.

And by this I don't mean that they are migrating. I am talking about their thoughts on life and their mindset.

However, as you rightly mentioned there are still committed muslims who are trying to give dawah to fellow muslims and to non muslims.

May Allah guide us Ameen

[arzafar]

:salam2:

Firstly my dear brother in Islam, I would advise you to begin your posts with the greetings of salaam to your brothers and sisters. BarakAllahu Feek.

What you have mentioned above can be achieved if we learn to respect and listen to what our scholars say. We have to learn from them and that will be the success of our Ummah with the will and mercy of Allah subhaanaho waa ta'ala.




Prophets propagated their call to Tawheed and spread it far and wide. Unlike present day, when our beloved sisters and brothers are going towards the opposite ie Jahaliyya and following the kuffar.

And by this I don't mean that they are migrating. I am talking about their thoughts on life and their mindset.

However, as you rightly mentioned there are still committed muslims who are trying to give dawah to fellow muslims and to non muslims.

May Allah guide us Ameen

:salam2:

thanks but yeah well maybe i cant express myself.

a few days ago there was a request made on tti from a sister who cant get a job. now imo having a leader would have helped. she would have known that if i write to the muslim leader X, Y or Z, he might do something etc.

There are numerous other advantages of having leadership.
look at the jews, how they help and facilitate their own. how they land the best jobs, admissions to top unis, know the ins and outs, have the best training etc.
whereas the muslims can only think of some new conspiracy theory. I mean they are plotting and planning but what are we doing? We cant even help a sister land a job. We dont even have a world wide riba free bank where she could apply for a loan and begin a her own business or an islamic hosiptal where she could train to become a nurse. what choice do we leave her with other than to take off her hijaab or approach a riba based bank? What about the HIVmuslimah? why cant we help her other than with words? Some islamic organizations are assisting muslims but many of these organizations are harming islam because of their hidden agendas.

Hence the importance of leadership from lowest to the highest level. And that's where your point about personal responsibility comes in. But as bad as we are, we have millions of responsible muslims. Muslims never go for quantity over quality anyway. Our efforts could be multiplied through effective organization and direction. Then we have the larger geopolitical issues to address.

Scholars have done their job by defining the parameters, but we still have to enact those principles. oh and women have their role as well; everybody's going to have to work hard. Umar (ra) took advice from women too.

btw i think we are in dire need of contemporary women scholars. somebody who's fatwa may be quoted. It would help muslim women a lot! why dont muslim women aim for islaamic scholarship? I think it would help revive women's status in Islam. I dont think it is against islam for women to become scholars so why cant i imagine the grand 'sheikh' of muslims being a woman.

[Amir_of_spain]

Asalam Wailkium.

If you look at the Middle East current leaders you will find that the majority are all from royal families. They live their entire life following the orders set to them by their western masters. The result is the wealth of the Muslims gets misused, the defending of Islam and her citizens gets abused, the continual occupation of the holylands and further western military incursions continues with no end in sight.

The only voice that does dare to speak and take action is the presidency of Ahmedinejad!

Now i realise that many bros find that hard to digest, that the only voice (i.e. Muslim Nation) that is standing up to U.S. and Zonist aggression is a) Non Arab, ie Iranian and b) Non Sunni, ie Shia based.
You got to put your religious idealsim aside and see what is actually taking place in real life, on the ground level. Name me one other Muslim leader or country that is actively trying to push back Zonist supremacy and U.S. Imperialism within the region?

Muslims in that region are fed up of being conquered, destroyed and bombed at by disbelieving Zionists who see themselves as racially superior to anyone, and the U.S. Army who enjoy degrading and humiliating Islam.

King Abdullah of Saudi, Shiekh Mohammad of Dubai, Emir's of Kuwait, Qatar and Bahrain, the Yemeni gov, Hosni Mubarak, they're all Western Puppets. Ahmedinejad and his gov is the only ones who have the guts to fight back. Therefore you have to give them credit for this, if you disagree then who else do you have? Give me another Muslim figure, not from the past or the future, but someone that exists now, in the present, who is standing up to this foriegn aggression.

Amir of Ice-cream.

[BrotherInIslam7]

Asalam Wailkium

Now i realise that many bros find that hard to digest, that the only voice (i.e. Muslim Nation) that is standing up to U.S. and Zonist aggression is a) Non Arab, ie Iranian and b) Non Sunni, ie Shia based.

.

:wasalam:

Standing up to kuffar is not shouting 'Death to America', kidnapping American citizens and denying the holocaust. These are all political suicides on an international level that isolate their countries from the rest of the world and cripple a country's economy and hinders development.

Not to mention that they deceive their own people by blaming anyone who criticizes their govt's ruling as a spy/agent of the west, who is subsequently tortured and put to the death.

And you have quite conveniently overlooked how these evil men slaughter and persecute our Sunni brethren at every opportunity they get. Tell me, how a champion of muslims, outwardly stands in solidarity with them and then comes back and slaughters them. Is this standing up for the rights of muslims ?

I would gladly take the puppets in middle east who atleast don't persecute their own people and though flawed, they take care of their people and have established tawheed and deen on their lands. They build masjids and support the cause of dawah across the globe and help their muslim countries in times of need. May Allah azz zawajal guide our rulers and caretakers to judge and rule according to Quran and Sunnah and overlook their shortcomings. Ameen

Fudayl Ibn ’Iyaad (d.187H) – rahimahullaah – said: “If I had a supplication that would be answered, I would not make it, except for the ruler. Because when the ruler becomes righteous, the towns and the servants become safe and secure.” Refer to Hilyatul-Awliyaa‘ (8/91-92).

Wasalaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi

[Hilal Said]

:wasalam:

I would gladly take the puppets in middle east who atleast don't persecute their own people and though flawed, they take care of their people and have established tawheed and deen on their lands. They build masjids and support the cause of dawah across the globe and help their muslim countries in times of need. May Allah azz zawajal guide our rulers and caretakers to judge and rule according to Quran and Sunnah and overlook their shortcomings. Ameen

Fudayl Ibn ’Iyaad (d.187H) – rahimahullaah – said: “If I had a supplication that would be answered, I would not make it, except for the ruler. Because when the ruler becomes righteous, the towns and the servants become safe and secure.” Refer to Hilyatul-Awliyaa‘ (8/91-92).

Wasalaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi

I agree totally with you.

Jazak Allah khairan

[Amir_of_spain]

Asalam wailkium. Here are some of my responses:

'Standing up to kuffar is not shouting 'Death to America',

The USA and Israeli defence forces, agencies and think tanks would not waste time, money and other resources in trying to isolate and demonise Iran if they merely thought they just shout aloud. The Iranian government is involved in Iraq, Syria and Lebanon against Zonist interests, they are actively engaged in making sure the western powers do not complete their ambitions of controlling these states like they now do with Saudi, Jordan and Egypt. They helped to set up Hizbollah which resulted in the successful Israeli withdraw from Southern Lebanon

"Kidnapping American citizens.." if U.S. and Israeli gov's can openly kidnap any Muslim throughout the world or murder them like we saw in Dubai then in retaliation why do you hold it against the Iranian gov if they decide to kidnap Americian individuals who they suspect are working for the U.S. Intelligence services. Why can the Zionists and US only hold people who they suspect are terrorist, and not the other way round?

"Denying the holocust.". Oh, ok i see, so it is perfectly fine to insult and humiliate the sacred and religious figures, espeically Islamic icons such as the holy Quran and the holy Prophet, it is perfectly ok to deny these religious personalities and to openly attack and talk negatively against them under the banner of freedom of speech. And in return, when it comes to a topic of the Zionists and their allies, we are told by them, you must agree and obey to our position on the topic, if not your evil like Hitler. Why is it is perfectly fine for anti Arab groups to deny the existence of Palestine and the Palestinian people. If you don't agree with them then you're demonised and attacked, thus you can never criticise them yet they can criticise you. I'm sorry but i don't see why Muslims should be lectured by 'silently trapped and cornered' by these academics and be forced to accept their sentiments when in return they openly allow their citizens to insult and disagrace our Prophet and topics that are sensitive to us. Also, show me a video, where he says the Holocust did not take place. He uses the holocust issue to point out the suffering that is being inflicted on the Palestinians.

"These are all political suicides on an international level that isolate their countries from the rest of the world and cripple a country's economy and hinders development."

Again, stop getting your news from CNN and FOX news. The whole world does not comprise of U.S.A. and Europe alone. There exists other nations in which Iran can do trade with. Of course their economy is going to suffer, any country's economy would suffer if they were put under such sanction's, despite this they are the most progressive Muslim nation in terms of science and technology. Hence they refuse to give up their right to civilian nuclear technology and indigenously develop their own drones, submarines and nano technologies. In comparison to Saudi and the Gulf states that are completely technologically dependent upon foriegn scientific help.

Not to mention that they deceive their own people by blaming anyone who criticizes their govt's ruling as a spy/agent of the west, who is subsequently tortured and put to the death.

If this was true then why would the Iranian government allow presidential candidates to debate and criticise one another openly, live on mainstream Iranian television. I think you have mistaken Iran from the Saudi royal family.

"And you have quite conveniently overlooked how these evil men slaughter and persecute our Sunni brethren at every opportunity they get. "

Sunni-Shia conflicits occur throughout the region, with or without the present Iranian gov, sectarian fighting would still continue. Also please study history, it was a Sunni nation (i.e. Iraq under Saddam) who launched two wars on it's Muslim neighbours, not Iran. It is the Sunni leaders that aid the Zionism gov(eg Egypt) and U.S. Military (eg Saudi and Qatar) not Iran.

"I would gladly take the puppets in middle east who atleast don't persecute their own people and though flawed, they take care of their people and have established tawheed and deen on their lands."

This is an amazing statement. Are you seriously suggesting that in Saudi, Egypt, Kuwait, Bahrain, and Qatar, there is no persecution, that if you talk against or merely criticise their rulers and their royal family members that they will simply smile warmly back? That they do not persecute and imprison Imams and Ulema who speak out up about corruption, Jihad and other injustices. We all know such people are never seen or heard of again.
Where is the respect and honour in accepting Muslim leaders who are slaves to their western masters. There is no pride in having a puppet as your leader.

Yes the current sunni leaders are great in building Masjids in their homelands and they are also great at destroying them in other's eg in Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine by providing land and logistical help to the U.S. soldiers and Zionists.

Now let's get back to the topic of leadership. Brother-In-Islam-7, why haven't you answered my question; if you think there is a better leader/Muslim nation that is standing up to the foriegn occupiers in the region then tell the forum. Otherwise digest and accept that a Farsi-Shia led government is taking on the superpowers while the Sunni states/leaders are either quietly assisting them. Mentioning names of the past and future does not count.

Amir of Cookies.

May the eyes of the cowards never sleep.

—Khalid ibn Walid

[BrotherInIslam7]

Asalam wailkium. Here are some of my responses:

The USA and Israeli defence forces, agencies and think tanks would not waste time, money and other resources in trying to isolate and demonise Iran if they merely thought they just shout aloud. The Iranian government is involved in Iraq, Syria and Lebanon against Zonist interests, they are actively engaged in making sure the western powers do not complete their ambitions of controlling these states like they now do with Saudi, Jordan and Egypt. They helped to set up Hizbollah which resulted in the successful Israeli withdraw from Southern Lebanon

:wasalam:

Please read about how Hezbollah also killed and slaughtered Palestinians before they turned their eyes on Israel. You will benefit from it a great deal !..

Iran wants to import it's heretic version of Islam everywhere. They are trying to import it to Yemen by helping the militant terrorist band that has formed there. This has been opposed by prominent Yemeni clerics both Shia and Sunni btw..


"Kidnapping American citizens.." if U.S. and Israeli gov's can openly kidnap any Muslim throughout the world or murder them like we saw in Dubai then in retaliation why do you hold it against the Iranian gov if they decide to kidnap Americian individuals who they suspect are working for the U.S. Intelligence services. Why can the Zionists and US only hold people who they suspect are terrorist, and not the other way round?

Because we are muslims, we do not capture and terrorize civilians be they any faith, nationality or race. I thought this was common knowledge.

"Denying the holocust.". Oh, ok i see, so it is perfectly fine to insult and humiliate the sacred and religious figures, espeically Islamic icons such as the holy Quran and the holy Prophet, it is perfectly ok to deny these religious personalities and to openly attack and talk negatively against them under the banner of freedom of speech. And in return, when it comes to a topic of the Zionists and their allies, we are told by them, you must agree and obey to our position on the topic, if not your evil like Hitler.

Again this is not 'tit for tat'. They kill and torture our people, so let's do the same to them. They use holocaust to occupy lands, so let's deny the holocaust altogether. No, akhi. This is not the way.

We are supposed to be reasonable human beings as well. It is unjust to justify the occupation of any land due to persecution of a certain people. At the same time, it is unjust and hurtful to deny that a certain group of people were massacred in the world war.

Again, stop getting your news from CNN and FOX news. The whole world does not comprise of U.S.A. and Europe alone. There exists other nations in which Iran can do trade with. Of course their economy is going to suffer, any country's economy would suffer if they were put under such sanction's, despite this they are the most progressive Muslim nation in terms of science and technology. Hence they refuse to give up their right to civilian nuclear technology and indigenously develop their own drones, submarines and nano technologies. In comparison to Saudi and the Gulf states that are completely technologically dependent upon foriegn scientific help.

I have already mentioned on other threads that I know Iranian students who are my colleagues in university . Alhamdulillah we are trying to increase our dawah efforts towards them. I get my information from them about Iran and have spoken with them at length about the situation in their country.

It seems like unless I don't agree with you, my information is from CNN and Fox news. If you think that way, I can't do anything about it.


If this was true then why would the Iranian government allow presidential candidates to debate and criticise one another openly, live on mainstream Iranian television. I think you have mistaken Iran from the Saudi royal family.

Back to our famous past time, slander and backbite our muslim rulers. I warn you brother, this is not from the teachings of Islam. Prophet SallAllahu Alleihi Wa Sallam and our salaf have warned us against this habit.

Sunni-Shia conflicits occur throughout the region, with or without the present Iranian gov, sectarian fighting would still continue. Also please study history, it was a Sunni nation (i.e. Iraq under Saddam) who launched two wars on it's Muslim neighbours, not Iran. It is the Sunni leaders that aid the Zionism gov(eg Egypt) and U.S. Military (eg Saudi and Qatar) not Iran.


And please kindly also mention that Shi'i people have left no opportunity to slaughter sunni muslims. Be it in present day Iran or civil unrest in Iraq's street these days.


This is an amazing statement. Are you seriously suggesting that in Saudi, Egypt, Kuwait, Bahrain, and Qatar, there is no persecution, that if you talk against or merely criticise their rulers and their royal family members that they will simply smile warmly back? That they do not persecute and imprison Imams and Ulema who speak out up about corruption, Jihad and other injustices.

Yes. The good in these lands outweighs the bad. And in most of these countries, Tawheed is preserved and one can practice Islam in peace.


We all know such people are never seen or heard of again. Where is the respect and honour in accepting Muslim leaders who are slaves to their western masters. There is no pride in having a puppet as your leader.

So you want to live in Iran and be tortured for being a Sunni and Wahabbi ?

Yes the current sunni leaders are great in building Masjids in their homelands and they are also great at destroying them in other's eg in Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine by providing land and logistical help to the U.S. soldiers and Zionists.


Which Arab country provided land and logistical support to USA against Iraq and Afghanistan. Kindly inform me.

This is a great misrepresentation of foreign policies of the countries mentioned.

Now let's get back to the topic of leadership. Brother-In-Islam-7, why haven't you answered my question; if you think there is a better leader/Muslim nation that is standing up to the foriegn occupiers in the region then tell the forum. Otherwise digest and accept that a Farsi-Shia led government is taking on the superpowers while the Sunni states/leaders are either quietly assisting them. Mentioning names of the past and future does not count.


I already mentioned that we have to reassess our own lives and perfect the Islam in our homes and our societies before we point a finger over our rulers/caretakers. We are not even in a position to speak about leaders of the Sunni. The basic fabrics of our deen are being violated in our countries, cities, villages. First we need to correct them and be steadfast on this deen. The leaders will come after that.

You can not manufacture upright leaders from a society (majority) that itself is ignorant of the deen and lives a life of lavishness and comfort and doesn't care for the plight and need of the muslim Ummah.

If we improve our conditions, Allah azz zawajal will bestow upon us a righteous and upright ruler from His mercy.

Therefore my answer to you is 'we have some major work on our hands'.

Wasalaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi