Hang Bush and Blair on 25th December 2007

[Mabsoot]

Assalamu Alaykum,

I was thinking maybe we should get someone to hang Bush and Blair on December 25th 2007.

Afterall they are War Criminals and State terrorists and APPEASERS and SUPPORTERS of Terrrorist regimes.

This is their untold legacy and contribution to the destruction of innocent People, in pursuit of their evil plans.

It's quite fun to fight 'em, you know. It's a hell of a hoot. It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up front with you, I like brawling.
~Lt. Gen. James Mattis, USMC Talking about Killing Iraqis.

Comments from 2/1/05 conference in San Diego, California. Lt. Mattis
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m197/turntoislam/iraq/leukemia.jpg This Poor child is an Iraqi , He suffers from Leukemia as do many other Iraqi civillians. Poisoned by thousands of radioactive Depleted Uranium bombs used on their country by the US and UK armed forces. Since DU darkened the land Iraq has seen birth defects which would break a heart of stone: babies with terribly foreshortened limbs, with their intestines outside their bodies, with huge bulging tumors where their eyes should be, or with a single eye-like Cyclops, or without eyes, or without limbs, and even without heads. Significantly, some of the defects are almost unknown outside textbooks showing the babies born near A-bomb test sites in the Pacific.

http://english.aljazeera.net/mritems/images%5C2004%5C3%5C16%5C1_177344_1_9.jpg

"Depleted uranium has a half life of 4.7 billion years - that means thousands upon thousands of Iraqi children will suffer for tens of thousands of years to come. This is what I call terrorism," says Dr Ahmad Hardan in an interview (http://english.aljazeera.net/News/archive/archive?ArchiveId=2508)

Leukaemia has already become the most common type of cancer in Iraq among all age groups, but is most prevalent in the under-15 category. It has increased way above the percentage of population growth in every single province of Iraq without exception.
Women as young as 35 are developing breast cancer. Sterility among men has increased tenfold.


The US, UK and its allies have used Depleted Uranium in many Muslim countries. It is a way of destroying the land and giving people severe health problems. It effects the sterility and health of many generations of Muslims. Iraq, Bosnia, Kosovo, Palestine, Lebanon, Afghanistan have all suffered from the DU shells. The people are suffering from cancers and other illnesses because of this. Even the US and UK troops that served in the Gulf wars and in the Balkans are suffering tremendously. However, the governments will not concede to the ill-effects of this Weapon of Mass Destruction.




Sanctions



An estimated 1,000,000 children died because of the US backed sanctions. On May 10, 1996, appearing on 60 Minutes, Madeleine Albright (then U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations) was presented with a figure of half a million children under five having died from the sanctions. Not challenging this figure, she infamously replied "we think the price is worth it"

Testifying against the Evilness

Lets Bring the Chief Witnesses !!

"The de facto role of the US armed forces will be to keep the world safe for our economy and open to our cultural assault."
~Major Ralph Peters, US Military

"I don't want to administer a programme that satisfies the definition of genocide". -Dennis Halliday United Nations Humanitarian Coordinator - Tendered his resignation after 34 Years working with the UN!!! because of the evil policies perpetrated by the US/UK gov against the Iraqi people.

Denis Halliday: Iraq Sanctions Are Genocide (http://www.commondreams.org/views/070700-103.htm)

Dennis Halliday Quotes (http://www.casi.org.uk/halliday/quotes.html)
Dennis Halliday>> The World Health Organization (WHO) confirmed to me only ten days ago that the monthly rate of sanctions-related child mortality for children under five years of age is from five to six thousand per month. They believe this is an underestimate, since in rural parts of Iraq children are not registered at birth, and if they die within six weeks of birth, they are never registered." [CH]

Dennis Halliday on Saddam Hussein's Regime and the Poverty in his country>>

"That's absolute garbage, the fact is that before Saddam Hussein got himself into trouble in Iran, and then of course in Kuwait, they had invested massively in civilian infrastructure. Health care clinics, rural clinics, education, 10,000 schools scattered throughout the country, an educational and healthcare system which was the envy of all its Arab neighbours. Iraq had a very widespread food distribution system of its own before we got involved."


Hans von Sponeck, Dennis Halliday's successor >>
"How long should the civilian population of Iraq be exposed to such punishment for something they have never done?" (John Pilger, 'Squeezed to death', The Guardian, March 4, 2000) Hans von Sponeck Also Resigned from his position in the UN
Jutta Burghardt, head of the World Food Program in Iraq, followed them.

"There were no international terrorists in Iraq until we went in. It was we who gave the perfect conditions in which Al Qaeda could thrive."
- Robin Cook Former Home Secretary, British Government


Saddam Hussein died with humility and without fear, I doubt that either Bush, Blair, Sharon, Putin or the other War Criminals and their associates could do the same if they were faced with the gallows and taunted by a bunch of raafida animals.

They ruined my Eid, because in this month and time of year there must be no killing or bloodshed of people! These are sacred months. But, of course the Shiite (Raafidah) do not know that, for they are the ones who killed the Sahaba, for which they beat themselves with chains today.

wasalam

[Marwa17]

WOW!!!!!...wonder where that came from?...lol...

[Child of GOD]

Why stop at bush and blair? Our whole government for the most part is corrupt. There are a few good politicians in our government but are overshadowed by the evil ones or they get weak and fall to the temptations of bribery....We could use a whole new government over here , someone that gets back to the basics of integrity, honesty, peace, and works for the people not against. People of other nations have this misconception that every american has it made...........thats a lie........America is getting to the point where there are 2 classes, the very rich and the poor.........they are taking out the middle class slowly. Might I add that me and my family are not in the category of the very rich nor are we extremely poor but at times we are almost at poverty level even tho my husband is a hard working man.
Having said that about my own country and government, I truly believe now a days that every nations government is corrupted by greed, lining their own wallets...........so see we do agree on some things. The only thing most of us americans want is fairness, as in , fair taxes, fair educational opportunities, fair work wages etc.
But this is all slowly being taken away.
In our constitution it says that if the PEOPLE are not satisfied with the way the people we voted in are treating us that we have the right to oust everyone of them and appoint new officials.........Guess what? As soon as a group of people talk like that our government officials say oh noooooooo, thats uncontitutional,,isn't that hypocritical of them.....but my point being is that America is not all what its cracked up to be anymore,,too much moral decline, too much corruption...sad but true,,but, is still the most free country and relatively safest to live in. It could be so much better tho. Our founding fathers of this country came over here to start a better life, one that isn't taxed of every penny a man makes, one that has freedom to worship as you wish..........they had the right idea but along the way, a few corrupt, greedy, obviously to me also not so christian changed the rules.
I pray and wish that this new year brings not only peace but love that is contagious and crosses the barrier lines that divide us.
God Bless all of you who want the peace and love that I and many pray for over here. We hold vigils at our church for peace and unity.

[NewMuslim]

:salam2:
Ameen Child of GOD. Hopefully the Democrats can change all of that, though :D

The Bill of Rights for the United States is GONE. It is only there to represent what was. It is constantly being violated (secretly or openly) by the government ever since the abandonment of Habeus Corpus (Habeus Corpus gave the prisoner the right to NOT be sentenced to death before trial (violated when it comes to the prisoners at Abu Ghraib)).

But lol, December 25th, the Christian (which I'm pretty sure Bush/Blair spend at Churches) Holiday? Really messed up there :D

But, too many people are celebrating Christmas as a Secular Holiday. Get 'em on Easter, the day the Church put as the day to celebrate "Jesus' Ressurection".



































Know that I'm just joking about the whole hanging :D

[Ahmed ibn Ibrahim]

lol I thought the exact same thing a couple days ago; December 25, 2007.

It wouldn't be too hard to compile a very solid legal case against them - more solid than that which led Saddam to the gallows. Let the French or Irish hang Blair, and let the Canadians or Mexicans hang Bush - just so there is somewhat similar racial animosity involved.

I'd have a harder time pulling together evidence against Blair, but getting Bush would be like shooting fish in a barrel! >.< It's so plain to see all of the corruption in the American government that I'm surprised that the "patriotic" and "constitution lovin" Yankees haven't risen up to overthrow it en mass (as is their constitutional duty should the government become overtly or covertly tyrannical) - but then, in the age of McApathy when the majority of Americans are so obsessed with selfish, individualistic living (see "Jahillia") it doesn't really surprise me that they've been cowed into submission.

:SMILY286: Submit to none but God!

[allmuslimsrequal]

salaam alikoum.
Mabsoot- I am in total agreement- how would my country of America like it if a foreign government came over here and upsurped President Bush as a wretched dictator? What would happen if their military came and patroled our streets, and we were told how to govern our own land by somebody else.?
I am ashamed of America. I am ashamed that most of the people here are asleep and they only care about whats in their bank accounts and having fun on Friday night. Of course I am generalizing, but how is it fair that people all through out the world are starving and in ghetto poverty- yet Israel gets Billions of our dollars? Who is punishing the governers of Israel with the THOUSANDS of civilian deaths since the 1940's ?????

I dont get it. I dont understand it.
Praise to Allah (swt) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who gives JUSTICE in the herafter to the people who recieved NO justice whatsoever in this life.

[Ahmed ibn Ibrahim]

This poem came to my mind after reading the responses in this thread so far; It's by a poet who was involved in the 2nd World War - Allah protect us from the 3rd!

Mourn not the dead that in the cool earth lie,
Dust unto dust,
The calm, sweet earth that mothers all who die
As all men must;

Mourn not your captive comrades who must dwell,
Too strong to strive,
Within each steel-bound coffin of a cell,
Buried alive;

But rather mourn the apathetic throng,
The cowed and the meek,
Who see the world's great anguish and its wrong
And dare not speak.

Ralph Chaplin

[Abdul-Raheem]

lol I thought the exact same thing a couple days ago; December 25, 2007.

It wouldn't be too hard to compile a very solid legal case against them - more solid than that which led Saddam to the gallows. Let the French or Irish hang Blair, and let the Canadians or Mexicans hang Bush - just so there is somewhat similar racial animosity involved.

:SMILY286: Submit to none by God!


:salam2:

lol:) Funny thought, but the death penalty doesn't exist here in the UK anymore. It was abolished way back. Maybe the french will throw him to the guillotine:)

:wasalam:

[Mabsoot]

:salam2:
Ok, I added some stuff in my initial post to make their crimes more clear, there is just so much.

People should look up The History of Iraq. How the British carpet bombed Kurdish villages in the 1930s!! - That was Churchill , and he is seen as a hero in Britain! He was a mass murderer.

[allmuslimsrequal]

Child of God: As a native American I can tell you that your founding fathers killed us off like cattle. Freedom for you- death to anyone who gets in your way of 'so called freedom'
My great-great grandmother was made into a slave of a white settler. They had killed her husband and sold her off. Some of my ancestors fled to Canada, where they still live in reservations to this day.
America built it's "freedom" on land which is covered in the tears and blood of my ancestors. People seem to forget that.

[Ahmed ibn Ibrahim]

Child of God: As a native American I can tell you that your founding fathers killed us off like cattle. Freedom for you- death to anyone who gets in your way of 'so called freedom'
My great-great grandmother was made into a slave of a white settler. They had killed her husband and sold her off. Some of my ancestors fled to Canada, where they still live in reservations to this day.
America built it's "freedom" on land which is covered in the tears and blood of my ancestors. People seem to forget that.

... and I wonder why we N. Americans seem to be cursed. We can't even accept that the fact that we even exist here is on the bloody backs of the Native Peoples; Everything we have done on this continent has been on the foundation of millions of dead Native Peoples, by our hands! These people were peaceful, nature-loving, spiritual - All it would have taken was for a group of noble Muslims to humbly come over, respecfully integrate & educate and it likely would have turned into a Muslim paradise!

But no, my ancestors came over and this is the legacy we all now share. Hurray for us, and for all we do. At least many Canadians know and accept this, and various groups have tried to approach this issue with different attempts for reconcilliation - Unlike the Americans, who just bought off what was left of the Band leaders and that's it; No more Natives Peoples problem. They've wiped their hands of the entire thing. Woe to us...

[Child of GOD]

ALLMUSLIMSAREEQUAL,
yES was the white man at first that drove off the native american, yes was the white man that enslaved the african american, was also a white man president that freed those african american enslaved and was us WHITE PEOPLE FROM northern states that supported that. what is your point, that half of america enslaved african americans? ooooooooo don't bother to look at the the point that an intelligent man that was president and us northern people seen that it was not right?...the north helped in the freedom of slavery........excuse me but I'm from the northern states that did not believe in slavery, what my ancestors did was WRONGGGGGGGGGGG...SO CONDEMN US ALL ? So one sided no one deserves to be a slave!

[Child of GOD]

AND by way if you read the post "where are you from" you will see that my husband and I both have native american in us... my great, great grandmother was forced onto a reservation. So until you realize or know my total background don't go shoving history down my throat!

[allmuslimsrequal]

Im not trying to make you angry child of God, by any means. I too, am North American. I have lived in America all my life. You just admitted it was wrong what happened- that was what I am saying as well. Im giving my view which might sound hateful- but it is to voice the view of a forgotten people. Its easy to say "it was wrong" -- if you dont feel the result of how wrong it was. No one deserves to be a slave- and no one deserves to die for another mans freedom. but it happened. I dont condemn you all- I just want to remind people how their freedom was achieved.

[Child of GOD]

You do not have to remind me, I have seen the documentaries and have researced it, it makes me so sad, I cry when I watch such injustice, call me weird...........but I'M one of those who detest the injustice of it all

[Ahmed ibn Ibrahim]

Wow, glad you fiercely loyal sisters are on my side of the fence ... Now can we all have a group-hug and get back on-topic? ;D Surely the thought of Bush being threatened with hanging would cheer you both up; he represents so perfectly the injustice you've been referring to.

:wavyarms: ::hug:: :wavyarms:

Oh wait, I can't touch women other than my wife ... err ... intellectual-group-hug, then? =)

::blush::

[Child of GOD]

OK I'M FOR THAT INTELLUTUAL HUGZZZZZZZZZ ALL

[Mabsoot]

Hi,

I want to make clear that I am not for execution, What i stated was just trying to compare tyrant to tyrant and the double standards.

I took offence to the use of Eid a religious day reserved for Happiness, as a day to kill President Saddam Hussein.

I do not believe that Saddam Hussein's trial was fair. It was dictated by people who had already made up their mind that they were going to hang him. And the final moments of his life show that.

Rather, he should have been tried in a proper Internation Court and every instance of his so-called crimes must have been examined. ALL those who aided him in those crimes should also have been called to court. Unfortunately, this did not happen.

What our guest, who goes by the name "Child of God" must realise is that we do not hate Americans. We do not hate Christians or anyone else. We simply dislike injustice.

The US, the British, the French, The Dutch and many other Western Governments have had many unfair policies which have cost millions of lives all over the world. From South America through to India. - These are facts we are dealing with. And you must realise that even though the average American or European does not know what their country did in Guatemala, Peru or in India, the people of those countries have not forgotten. Their history has been formed due to these imperialist colonisers coming to simply fatten themselves up at the expense of the natives of those lands.

This is where a lot of the misconceptions come from. indeed we accept that many people from the US are kind-hearted and good, but when we see our brothers and sisters killed in Palestine and the US government supplying weapons to the Israelis, it hurts us all. Likewise, when they keep silent over the Human rights abuses in Uzbekistan, Afghanistan and the War Crimes committed daily in Chechnya - all these things happen with the blessing of he US government who has even supplied weapons and financial aid to help war criminals. -

Our media does not show this side. Where are the videos and coverage of the people who were slaughtered in Sabra and Shatila Refugee camp? 3000 people were killed whilst Israeli soldiers armed to the teeth with American weapons surrounded a camp which was fulll of innocent people. For three days people were men, women and children were killed. There was no military threat coming from the camp, it was an act of pure revenge.

Likewise, there are many different incidents of women and children being killed, from Lebanon to Afghanistan and not one apology. Rather, in its arrogance the persecuters and invaders try to justify their murder. Whilst those with half a brain and a good heart know that it is unjust and that these wars are by greedy men wanting to control oil and gas reserves. Yes, Afghanistan has a lot of gas!! Before the Afghanistan invasion the US was involved in talks with the taliban over the Gas.

Anyway, thanks for trying to understand.

[Child of GOD]

Mabsoot,
try to understand?, It goes deeper than that, you have no idea

[Mabsoot]

Mabsoot,
try to understand?, It goes deeper than that, you have no idea

I know it does, but just how deep you want to get?

You have stated that Muslim kids are taught hatred and are given guns. I think that was a very superficial statement that you had made. There are millions of Muslims living all over the world, which ones do what you say?

It is a bizarre statement and something untrue. - Sure, there are some children who live under extreme circumstances and who may learn things and hate their enemies. But, this is true in many parts of the world and within many cultures. Just as children hated the Nazis in War-time Britain.

Children in occupied Palestine, where they see their friends and family shot dead are going to be psychologically effected. Most of these children do not hate anyone, unlike their Jewish settler counterparts who view all non-Jews as expendable filth.

And pleeease dont come with the excuse that Palestinians are used as human shields, I am sorry but that is an Israeli lie, and it is not collaborated by any of the independent human rights organisations.

People fail to realise just who is the one under occupation and who is suffering.

[talibulislam]

we know what america,britain & other so call civilized nation did so far,how humain they r,its just not on tv yet,its just not in news yet,once it will come out its not gona b hard for people to hang them on 25th december2007.even if they survive 25th december in this world,who is going to save them hereafter,where u get punish forever with severe pain with no death.
may allah save all innocent humen from these devils & give them hidaya insh'allah

[BintMuhammad]

I'm losing my patience :astag: :girl3: This really makes me feel angry :astag:

This may sound exaggerated but really I sometimes feel like going to war :tantrum1:

[Mabsoot]

Why do we Muslims like to blame the west for all the stupid things we do ? Saddam Hussain did kill many innocent people and there was nothing Islamic about him ! How can any sensible Muslim defend Saddam ? As I have said before in another post and I repeat here - those who live by the sword die by the sword and you reap wat u sow !

People of different relegions including Muslims use relgion to form into different groups and then blame each other for all the wrong things that are happening in present times. Let me ask this to all of you - do we Muslims follow Islam properly ? Do we set a good example ? If the answer is NO then why blame others ? Instead of hating people of other relegions why cant we unite under the banner of Humanity and preach universal brotherhood !

It is human nature that those who become powerful use that power to dominate on others . You can see it everywhere even in the Islamic world. So why blame the western leaders and point fingers at them. Thats human nature ! The muslims would do the same thing they get such an opportunity. Saddam proved that !

The current world situation is that the environment has become degenerated and I would say all of us responsible for the mess up. We Muslims ourselves dont follow Islam properly but want to enforce Islamic Shariah on the non Muslims. Is this not hypocritical ! Nobody is perfect ! The western world has also helped mankind by providing us by things that make our life easier and more comfortable - aircrafts, computers, transportation, education system, space technology, etc. Let us not forget that.

Why fight in the name of relegion and increasae haterd amongst humans. We all have been created by the same God Allmighty and children of Prophet Adam (as) and Eve. We Muslims should FIRST follow Islam properly and that would be the best form of dawah.................. Islam preaches to love all humans and there is no place for hatred in it. Let us love our fellow humans and that is the only by which the problems of present times can be solved. Thats what Prophet Essa (as) or Jesus will do on his second comming.

Assalamu Alaykum,

Muslims are not the only peolpe who blame the West. Most well thinking and educated people do. From Noam Chomsky, who was voted the world's leading intellectual through to ex-president of the US Jimmy Carter.

Why should we appease State Terrorists? The History of the Middle East conflict is all rooted in the Western oppression. Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Tunisia, Morocco, Algeria, India, Ghana, Egypt, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sudan, Somalia, South Africa, Libya, Malaysia, Phillipines, Jordan, Palestine................... Were all occupied by the West. The people were subjugated, their lands stolen, their wealth taken, their farms used to make worthless crops for their occupiers countries.

So in India, when the people should have been making food for their own people, they were forced to make their fields to produce tea, the rice was exported to Britain and the farmers went hungry.

Palestine was handed over to the Jews. It was the Europeans who were the anti-semitic racists. Yet, the Palestinians are the ones who suffer.

The West's wealth was made on the Poverty and misery of the people it invaded, conquered and used.

Today, the legacy lives on, they dictate who should be in power. They cause trouble by removing good leaders and putting those in power who they think will do what they want.

Its not as if they have no guilt. They put Saddam Hussein in power! They helped him kill people by giving him weapons - cluster bombs, chemical weapons and so forth, yet these Criminals are the ones bombing our Muslim brothers and sisters and are getting away with it.

They are more guilty than Saddam and have killed more people. You should be aware of these facts.

In Palestine, remember that each and every child who dies, dies from a weapon given to Israel FREE. Israel gets billions of dollars of Military aid so that they can keep the people enslaved. So they can take their land and build their own filthy slums on top.

Muslims simply want peace and freedom!! - Nobody is giving us that, they are throwing bombs on us in order to make us accept their power. We dont want to be shackled down by their demands for cheap oil and Christian / Jewish Fundamentalist ideology.

And, you talk about Shariah, no Muslim wants to harm any non-Muslims. 500,000 people have died in Iraq due to the Invasion there. Recently, 1000 innocent people died in Lebanon. The US and UK did nothing to stop it, they could have stopped the war, but they gave Israel the green light to bomb as many people as it could. They even helped send missiles to Israel. The Israelis massacred women and children in areas where there was no fighting.

Sister, I suggest you get your facts right and learn about the world from proper sources before blaming Muslims for the actions of the enemies of Islam.

But, you are right that Muslims must return to the Quran and Sunnah. Thats the only way we will succeed

[Mabsoot]

Its human nature, those who have the power dominate other fellow humans. I said that nobody is perfect and Muslim or no Muslim the basic human nature remains the same. The Muslims would do the same thing if they get that sort of power.................When Saddam killed so many innocent people, the Islamic world was sleeping why? Why we nothing to prevent him from doing that ? As soon as the western non islamic countries invaded Iraq to topple Saddams government the entire Islamic world woke up in protest considering this as a threat to Islam ?

First of all, all this debate is POLITICAL and not RELEGIOUS. Why mix them up ? I understand if relegion is properly followed then it helps us get true peace and so they are interconnected but do we Muslims follow Islam properly. Look at the Islamic countries all over the world, is Islamic shariah being followed there properly? Are not some heads of states of these Islamic countries puppets of the west ? So, who do you blame for all this ? Blame the Muslim Ummah first. Merely pointing fingers at the west is not going to help. Lets do dawah within ourself FIRST.

As I have said NOBODY IS PERFECT ! So, instead of blaming the west why dont we blame ourselves for the troubles we are having? The bitter truth is we Muslims have moved away from true Islam and that is why Allah (swt) does not help us.

Assalamu Alaykum, I do not want to sound rude but you are talking about something with great ignorance.

The Islamic world did not put Saddam Hussein in power. You keep going on about how Evil Saddam was, but you have yet to realise, that he is not done anything worse than what dozens of other leaders including our own in the West have done.

The Islamic world was not sleeping. He was critisised countless times, Shaykh Abdul Aziz ibn Baz even wrote a Fatwa declaring him to be a non-Muslim. His Baathist party was well known to be Communist and Athiest and he was despised by all.

The REASON for the Destruction of Muslims lies solely at the feet of the people whose weapons land and kill Muslims. Those people who fund wars, who live off the death of Muslims. Millions of Muslims have died due to the Foreign Policy of Western Powers. So, why state that these people have no part to play in Murder and destruction??

We, can say that the Muslims can be blamed for becoming weak and allowing the enemies of Islam to abuse them so much.

Perhaps you will agree with this last statement :SMILY139:

With Regards to State Terrorism please see the link below, it is important people are educated with what is happening in the world
Why Angry Protests? Islam Does Not Condone Violence and Calls for Patience! (http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2368)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39584000/jpg/_39584395_muslimmourners.jpg (http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2368)

Here are some good Islamic articles:

The Current State of the Muslim World (http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=99)

Why Muslims are Weak Today (http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=519)

Importance of Tawheed in Reviving the Ummah (http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=518)

Wasalam

[Mabsoot]

This debate has no end to it because in the present times things have become very complicated and blaming each other will bear no results. Yes I agree with your last statment - the Muslims dont follow Islam properly and thus have become weak. That is why Allah (swt) does nothing to help !

Assalamu alaykum,

I would not say Allah does nothing to help. Allah does help us and give us all the things we need to be victorious. It is always there. It is for the people to find it and make use of it.

May Allah help us all

Wasalam.

[Mabsoot]

Why mixing politics with relegion ?

Politics has a place in Religion. Islam is a complete system and allows us to deal with these issues in Islamic context.

What is it you are calling "politics" ?

We are dealing with human rights, the right to exist for Muslims, right to defend ourselves and the right to end oppression against us.

Wasalam

[Mabsoot]

Look we can debate on this topic forever and I wonder how will it help us ? I made a general statement on the Muslim Ummah. You agreed we had become weak and that is what I was trying to project - we have drifted away from real Islam and are Muslims only name sake and that is why we have become weak and thus face all these problems!

The Computer you use is the benefit that the western world has given to us, do remember that always. The western world has helped mankind alot, we should not forget this.

Yes relegion and politics are interconnected but the problem is we lonly use relegion for politics and dont follow its principles. We blame others but dont look at our own faults.

Wa alaykum Salam, Sure I agree with you on that, I am not saying everyone in the West is bad, I live in the West.

However, this is different to saying that the West has no part in the misery of millions of people around the world. You asked a question as to why Muslims blame the West for certain things, and I gave you a definitive answer. If someone does a crime, whether it be Saddam Hussein, Pinochet, Ariel Sharon of George Bush they need to be critisised and their crimes known. Talking about that is not a problem.

We have to talk about that, because people blame Muslims wrongly and they do not understand why some Muslims who live under occupation and oppression might become extreme.

Thats why this thread was made:
Why Angry Protests? Islam Does Not Condone Violence and Calls for Patience! (http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2368)

[BintMuhammad]

Why do we Muslims like to blame the west for all the stupid things we do ? Saddam Hussain did kill many innocent people and there was nothing Islamic about him ! How can any sensible Muslim defend Saddam ? As I have said before in another post and I repeat here - those who live by the sword die by the sword and you reap wat u sow !


Assalamu alaikum sister,

No one is defending Saddam. He is indeed guilty of the bad things he have done. What brother Mabsoot is trying to point out is that if a "Muslim" like Saddam gets to be hanged why not Bush and Blair too and other evil leaders like them? It is obvious that they too are guilty for the deaths of many innocent lives particularly children and not to mention the truth behind the conspiracies of 9/11.

Barakallahu Feek

[truesuccess]

http://i17.tinypic.com/483xgyh.jpg

[BintMuhammad]

Sis,

Whatever we do, religion would always be a part of this. The bombings, the killings and kidnappings are always blamed on Islam because of their ignorance towards Islam. Whenever a Muslim makes a mistake, his/her mistake would be blamed on Islam. I'm not saying that this is a curse to us Muslims, but this is how shaitaan works to destroy the image of Islaam and lead millions of people astray.

[Ahmed ibn Ibrahim]

:salam2:

lol truesuccess - nice effort, cute picture :salah:

:SMILY27:

hahaha - I can see there's some serious debating going on here, but I can't stop laughing at that picture. LOL maybe I'll come back to this thread again later and see what you all are discussing. Great picture TrueSuccess, rediculous and very funny.

:wasalam:

[Mabsoot]

You mixing it all up ! You talk about the problems that some of the humans are facing and then end up involving relegion into it and make it appear that these problems are arising because Non Muslims hate the Muslims. Look speak for all of mankind and how true relegion can help us solve these problems.

SOME Non Muslims do hate Muslims.

A heavenly match: Bush and the Christian Zionists (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4960.htm)

There are many many examples of State Terrorism, Soldiers deliberately kidnapping, attacking and raping Muslims because of their Religion.

in the words of one victim of Indian State terrorism in Muslim Kashmir:

"They began beating me. They said that we had been feeding the militants. They used electric shocks on my feet. I was raped. They stripped off my clothes and said they would kill me. There were many soldiers and a captain. The captain raped me, keeping everyone else outside. He told me: "You are Muslims, and you will all be treated like this."
Rape and Torture in Doda district, Kashmir (http://www.hrw.org/reports/1999/kashmir/doda.htm#P187_42784)

Why should we remain silent on these crimes? Or the crimes in Iraq? Lebanon or Palestine?

If someone hurts someone dear to you are you not going to ask that they be bought to justice?

Or will you say it is your own fault?

I did not say that we do not look at our own faults. We do that it is true the Muslims Must return to True belief to have correct belief in Tawheed and Aqeedah, at the same time we prepare ourselves and help our Muslim brothers and sisters who are being oppressed. - This is the way of the Prophet :saw:

In a hadith, narrated by Nu'man ibn Bashir (radiALlahu anhu) the Prophet :saw: said:

"The Muslims (the Ummah) are like the limbs of a man, where if the eye hurts the whole body feels pain and if the head hurts, the whole body feels pain and suffering."

Huzaifah (radiAllahu anhu) the Prophet :saw: said
"Whoever does not take an interest in the affairs and problems of the Muslims, he is not of them. And whoever's state is such that, each morning and evening, he is not loyal and earnest to Allah, his Apostle, His Book, the Islamic ruler and towards the Muslims, as a whole, he is not of them."

wasalam

wasalam.

[BintMuhammad]

Well Bush and Blair are part of a system. Yes Islam involves everthing and so relegion comes into the picture always, I agree..... But, if we dont follow Islam properly, shaitan will harm us and there will be little help from Allah (swt). So instead blaming others why dont we look inwards at our imaan and correct it. That will do wonders. Dont you think so ?

Yes, I agree with you sis. But there are things that needs to be voiced out. Alongside of being steadfast to our deen, we should also stand for what is just. Bush and Blair can't just get away with this.

[Kayote]

Saddam Hussein died with humility and without fear, I doubt that either Bush, Blair, Sharon, Putin or the other War Criminals and their associates could do the same if they were faced with the gallows and taunted by a bunch of raafida animals.

They ruined my Eid, because in this month and time of year there must be no killing or bloodshed of people! These are sacred months. But, of course the Shiite (Raafidah) do not know that, for they are the ones who killed the Sahaba, for which they beat themselves with chains today.

wasalam

:salam2:

Mabsoot, I never thought you had this much anger in you. Alhumdulillah, I feel more at ease to know that there were some others who felt sad at what happened on the day of Eid.

Each one of us will go alone upon death Insha'Allah. These mushrikeens & kafr will pay for their actions and Allah is most just & fair. Amen.

:wasalam:

[ansari]

:salam2:

i really want to kill bush. even through(mashaalah) Allah(swt) has given me every thing big house expensive cars and every thing:ma: . but i dont know why now im not interested in all those things. when im free i usally think if i kill bush or if i die during my mission i will be called shaheed. i dont want to kill the inocents only the guilty ones. sometimes i get confused that how i will do all these things.

inshaallah i will try my level best to do this... AMEEN !

[ripefig]

The Computer you use is the benefit that the western world has given to us, do remember that always. The western world has helped mankind alot, we should not forget this.

Everything we are given, we should thank Allah. Nothing is possible without his permission. Further more technolygy did not happen over night and many aspects of science and technology originated from the east. Man benifit from Allah most high alone (DO REMEMBER THIS ALWAYS) The western world has opressed mankind a lot (WE SHOULD NEVER FORGET THIS) :wasalam:

[Ahmed ibn Ibrahim]

Everything we are given, we should thank Allah. Nothing is possible without his permission. Further more technolygy did not happen over night and many aspects of science and technology originated from the east. Man benifit from Allah mos high alone (DO REMEMBER THIS ALWAYS) The western world has opressed mankind a lot (WE SHOULD NEVER FORGET THIS) :wasalam:

Who decided the order of Mathematics? Who decreed what electrons should do in a circuit? Who put the metal into the Earth that we might build such machines? Who inspires the hearts of men and women to strive for better? Who allows time to even exist that we might all be here in the same moment now to share in this internet and these computers? The West has noone to thank for their advancements but Allah, and the proud who deny this will surely be among the losers.

=) just my 2 cents, Eid Mubarak!

:wasalam:

[Abdul-Raheem]

Who decided the order of Mathematics? Who decreed what electrons should do in a circuit? Who put the metal into the Earth that we might build such machines? Who inspires the hearts of men and women to strive for better? Who allows time to even exist that we might all be here in the same moment now to share in this internet and these computers? The West has noone to thank for their advancements but Allah, and the proud who deny this will surely be among the losers.

=) just my 2 cents, Eid Mubarak!

:wasalam:

:salam2:

That is so true Brother. Nowadays, especially in the west, we live in a Godless society. Several decades ago in the UK, there would be uproar if a women even wore trousers (or pants as our friends over the atlantic would say:)) or if they took on jobs or if you didn't go to church every Sunday ,etc. I only use these examples to show how times have changed.

:wasalam:

[Abu Abdillah]

:salam2:

We have to remember Saddam’s past history was engrossed in Arab nationalism and was a baathist and little life of Islam.

Who lived a life of tyranny and corruption etc….

Saddam did have about 3yrs in his jail cell to think about His life and what he had done. In this time he also had books to read about Islam in his Cell. ie Quran , with tafseer and also Sunni Scholars.

We have to remember Saddam’s past history was engrossed in Arab nationalism and was a baathist and little life of Islam. Who lived a life of tyranny and corruption etc…. But he did have 3yrs in his jail cell to think about His life and what he had done. Also Halaaj before He did=ed he said Ohh Allah Some people say you cannot have repentance on Me?

And The Oppression and Zulm of Hallaaj ibn Yusuf is known. He Killed Abdullah ibn Zibair and Abdullah ibn Umar and spilt the blood of the Muslims.

Also the Hadeeth where a man who had heartlessly murdered ninety-nine people. Then, he felt remorse.

He went to a learned man and told him about his past, explaining that he wished to repent, reform, and become a better person. "I wonder if Allah will pardon me?" he asked.

For all his learning, the scholar was a man who had not been able to digest what he had learned. "You will not be pardoned;' he said. "Then I may as well kill you, too," said the other. And kill him he did.

He then found another worthy individual and told him that he had killed a hundred people. "I wonder," he said, "whether Allah will pardon me if I repent?" Being a truly wise man, he replied, "Of course you will be pardoned; repent at once. I have just one piece of advice for you: avoid the company of wicked people and mix with good people, for bad company leads one into sin:"

The man expressed repentance and regret, weeping as he sincerely implored his Lord to pardon him. Then, turning his back on bad company, he set off to find a neighbourhood where righteous people lived.

On the way, his appointed hour arrived, and he died. The angels of punishment and of mercy both came to take away his soul. The angels of punishment said that as a sinful person he rightfully belonged to them, but the angels of mercy also claimed him, saying, "He repented and had resolved to become a good man. He was on his way to a place where righteous people live, but his appointed hour had come." A great debate ensued, and Gabriel was sent as an arbitrator to settle this affair.

After hearing both sides he gave this verdict: "Measure the ground. If the spot where he died is closer to the good people, then he belongs to the angels of mercy, but if it is nearer to the wicked people, he will be given to the angels of punishment."

They measured the ground. Because the man had just set out, he was still closer to the wicked. But because he was sincere in his repentance, the Lord moved the spot where he lay and brought it to just outside the city of the good people.

That penitent servant was handed over to the angels of mercy Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 56, Number 676..

So insha-Allah I head today that Saddam Hussain In his Will he mentions '' if Allah Wills, Allah shall raise it to himself, and He Allah if He wish it to be commanded it for me to be with the Martyrs and the Righteous Most perfect is his decision as he sees Otherwise then he is most beneficent and most Merciful and He is one who created us & to Him we shall return and week patience and in Him we seek help..

Also We should await and see what The Awlamah (The Scholars) have to say regarding this issue.

[albinsaid09]

:salam2:
Shiites celebrate EID on Saturday while most sunnis celebrate on Sunday...
Well, they hanged Saddam on Sunday. I wonder why..? Even when the decision was made to hang Saddam.. It was a day (if i am not wrong) before the election between Democrats and Republicans. I wonder why..?

[alhamdulillah]

:salam2:

We have to remember Saddam’s past history was engrossed in Arab nationalism and was a baathist and little life of Islam.

Who lived a life of tyranny and corruption etc….

Saddam did have about 3yrs in his jail cell to think about His life and what he had done. In this time he also had books to read about Islam in his Cell. ie Quran , with tafseer and also Sunni Scholars.

We have to remember Saddam’s past history was engrossed in Arab nationalism and was a baathist and little life of Islam. Who lived a life of tyranny and corruption etc…. But he did have 3yrs in his jail cell to think about His life and what he had done. Also Halaaj before He did=ed he said Ohh Allah Some people say you cannot have repentance on Me?

And The Oppression and Zulm of Hallaaj ibn Yusuf is known. He Killed Abdullah ibn Zibair and Abdullah ibn Umar and spilt the blood of the Muslims.

Also the Hadeeth where a man who had heartlessly murdered ninety-nine people. Then, he felt remorse.

He went to a learned man and told him about his past, explaining that he wished to repent, reform, and become a better person. "I wonder if Allah will pardon me?" he asked.

For all his learning, the scholar was a man who had not been able to digest what he had learned. "You will not be pardoned;' he said. "Then I may as well kill you, too," said the other. And kill him he did.

He then found another worthy individual and told him that he had killed a hundred people. "I wonder," he said, "whether Allah will pardon me if I repent?" Being a truly wise man, he replied, "Of course you will be pardoned; repent at once. I have just one piece of advice for you: avoid the company of wicked people and mix with good people, for bad company leads one into sin:"

The man expressed repentance and regret, weeping as he sincerely implored his Lord to pardon him. Then, turning his back on bad company, he set off to find a neighbourhood where righteous people lived.

On the way, his appointed hour arrived, and he died. The angels of punishment and of mercy both came to take away his soul. The angels of punishment said that as a sinful person he rightfully belonged to them, but the angels of mercy also claimed him, saying, "He repented and had resolved to become a good man. He was on his way to a place where righteous people live, but his appointed hour had come." A great debate ensued, and Gabriel was sent as an arbitrator to settle this affair.

After hearing both sides he gave this verdict: "Measure the ground. If the spot where he died is closer to the good people, then he belongs to the angels of mercy, but if it is nearer to the wicked people, he will be given to the angels of punishment."

They measured the ground. Because the man had just set out, he was still closer to the wicked. But because he was sincere in his repentance, the Lord moved the spot where he lay and brought it to just outside the city of the good people.

That penitent servant was handed over to the angels of mercy Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 56, Number 676..

So insha-Allah I head today that Saddam Hussain In his Will he mentions '' if Allah Wills, Allah shall raise it to himself, and He Allah if He wish it to be commanded it for me to be with the Martyrs and the Righteous Most perfect is his decision as he sees Otherwise then he is most beneficent and most Merciful and He is one who created us & to Him we shall return and week patience and in Him we seek help..

Also We should await and see what The Awlamah (The Scholars) have to say regarding this issue.

Bismillah,

:wasalam: dear brother in Islam,

Barak'Allahu Fik for your wise reponse Masha'Allah, may we learn something from the stated Hadith Insha'Allah!

Allah praise is due to Allah Alone...

Wasalam

[Abu Abdillah]

If we look ino the past history of the salaf we shall see even wicked people returned back to Allah...

And if we were to look at the life of Abu Hasan al-Ash'ariyy in the first part of his life, used to be a Mu'taziliyy since he was brought up at the hands of Abu Alee al-Jubaa'ee the Shaikh of the Mu'tazilah of Basrah in his time, and he took back all the statements he had made and reurned to the way of the salaf.

Alng with the previously mentioned ahadeeth where a man who had heartlessly murdered ninety-nine people. Then, he felt remorse, and wanted to seek the Sincere Repentance

lso if we look at the oppression of al-Mutasim the leader who killed 10's of students of mam Ahmed and lso Tortured and promised not to kill Imam Ahmed with the sword and the beating Imam Ahmed Endured:

n Abee Ya’laa reports in his Tabaqaatul-Hanaabilah 121, 1/163-167, from Sulaymaan ibn ‘Abdullaah as-Sijzee (who said), “I came to the door of al-Mu’tasim and saw that the people had crowded together at his door, as if it was the day of ‘Eed. I entered the place and saw a spread out carpet and a chair that had been thrown o*n the floor. I stood facing the chair and whilst I was standing, al-Mu’tasim approached and sat o*n the chair. He removed his shoes from his feet and placed o*ne foot o*n top of the other. Then he said, ‘Let Imaam Ahmad be present,’ so he was brought out in his presence. After Imaam Ahmad had stood in front of him and greeted him he (al- Mu’tasim) said, ‘0 Ahmad, speak and do not be afraid.’ So Imaam Ahmad said, “By Allaah, 0 Ameeru Mu’mineen, I have just entered upon you and there is not a seed’s weight of anxiety in my heart.”

Al-Mu’tasim said to him, ‘What do you say about the Qur’aan?’ He said, “The speech of Allaah, eternal, not created. Allaah, the Mighty and Majestic, said: “And if anyone of the Mushrikeen seeks your protection, then grant him protection, so that he may hear the Word of Allaah (the Qur’aan).” 122 So he said, ‘Do you have a proof other than this?’ Imaam Ahmad replied, “Yes, 0 Ameerul-Mu’mineen, the saying of Allaah, the Mighty and Majestic: “Ar-Rahmaan. He taught you (mankind) the Qur’aan.” 123 And He did not say: ‘Ar-Rahmaan. He created the Qur’aan.’ And His saying, the Mighty and Majestic: “Yaa seen. By the Qur’aan, full of wisdom” 124 And He did not say: ‘Yaa Seen. By the Qur’aan (that is) created.’

So al-Mu’tasim said, ‘Imprison him.’ So he was imprisoned and the people dispersed. When I arose (the next morning) I made my way to the door (of al-Mu’tasim) and the people were entering, so I entered along with them. Al-Mu’tasim approached and sat o*n his chair and said, ‘Bring Ahmad ibn Hanbal,’ and so he was brought. When he stood in front of him, al-Mu’tasim said to him, ‘How were you in your cell yesterday, 0 Ahmad?’ Imaam Ahmad said, “In goodness, and all praises are due to Allaah, except that in my cell, 0 Ameerul-Mu’mineen, I saw something amazing.”

He said to him, ‘And what did you see?’ So he replied, “I arose in the middle of the night, performed ablution for the prayer and prayed two rak’ahs. In o*ne rak’ah I recited: ‘Al.Hamdulillaah ...‘ and ‘QulA’oodhu bi-Rabbin.Naas,’ and in the second rak’ah: ‘Alhamdulillaah ...‘ and ‘Qul.A’oodhu bi- Rabbil-Falaq.’ Then I sat down, read the tashahhud and gave salutation (to my right and left). Then I stood (again), made the takbeer and recited: ‘Alhamdulillaah ...‘ and then I desired to read: ‘Qul-Huwallaahu-Ahad,’ and I was not able. I tried hard to read something else from the Qur’aan and I was not able. . Then I stretched my eyes to the corner of the prison and (behold) I saw the Qur’aan laid out (on the floor), dead. So I washed it and shrouded it, then prayed over it and buried it.” So al-Mu’tasim said, ‘Woe be to you, 0 Ahmad, and does the Qur’aan die!?’ So Ahmad said to him, “Well, that is what you say — that it is created. And everything that is created dies.” Al-Mu’tasim said, ‘Ahmad has subdued us, Ahmad has subdued us.’

Then Ibn Abee Duwaad and Bishr al-Mareesee said, ‘Kill him, so that we can rest (in his absence).’ Al-Mu’tasim said, ‘I have pledged to Allaah that I will not kill him with a sword and that I will not order for him to be killed with a sword.’ Ibn Abee Duwaad said to him, ‘(Then) lash him with a whip.’ So al-- Mu’tasim said, ‘Yes,’ and then said, ‘Bring the executioners,’ and so they were brought.
Al-Mu’tasim said to o*ne of them, ‘With how many lashes will you kill him?’ He said, ‘With ten, 0 Ameerul-Mu‘mineen.’ Then he replied, ‘Take him to yourself (heat him).’ Sulaymaan as-Sijzee continued, ‘So Imaam Ahmad was undressed and made to wear a garment of wool around his waist. Two new ropes were drawn tight around his hands. The man took the whip in his hand and said, ‘Shall I strike him, 0 Ameerul-Mu’mineen?’’ Al-Mu’tasim said, ‘Strike him,’ and he struck him with o*ne lash. Imaam Ahmad said, “All praise is due to Allaah” Then he lashed him a second time and Imaam Ahmad said, “Whatever Allaah will occurs.” Then he struck him a third time and lmaam Ahmad said, “There is no movement nor power save that of Allaah, the Most High, the Mighty.”

When the man desired to strike him a fourth time I looked at the garment around his waist and it had become loose. He wished that he should fall to the ground, so he raised his head towards the sky and moved his lips — and suddenly the earth shook and two hands came out of it, and supported his weight, by the power of Allah, the Mighty and Majestic. When al-Mu’tasim saw that he said, ‘Leave him,’ then Ibn Abee Duwaad came to him and said, ‘0 Ahmad, say in my ear: ‘The Qur’aan is created,’ So that I may save you from the hand of the khaleefah.’ So Imaam Ahmad said to him, “0 Ibn Abee Duwaad, say in my ear: ‘The Qur’aan is the Speech of Allah, it is not created,’ so that I save you from the punishment of Allaah, the Mighty and Majestic.” Al-Mu’tasim then said, ‘Place him into the prison.’

Sulaymaan said, ‘He was then carried to the prison and the people departed, so I departed with them. Then when the next day arrived the people came (to the door of al-Mu’tasim) so I came with them and stood in front of the chair. Then al- Mu’tasim appeared and sat o*n the chair and said, ‘Bring Ahmad ibn Hanbal.’ So he was brought and when he stood in front of him al-Mu’tasim said to him, ‘How were you in your cell during the night, 0 son of Hanbal?’

He said, “In goodness, and all praises are due to Allaah.” Al- Mu‘tasim said, ‘0 Ahmad, I saw a dream yesterday.’ He said, “And what did you see, 0 Ameerul-Mu’mineen?” He said, ‘I saw in my dream as if there were two lions approaching me and they desired to tear me apart. And then two angels appeared and repelled them from me. They gave me a hook and said to me, ‘This written (piece) is the dream that Ahmad ibn Hanbal saw in his cell.’ So what is it that you saw, 0 son of Hanbal?’ So Ahmad faced al-Mu’tasim and said, “0 Ameerul-Mu’mineen,
is the book with you?” He said, ‘Yes, and when I awoke, I read what was in it.

So Ahmad said to him, “0 Ameerul-Mu’mineen, I saw as if the Day of Judgement had been established, and as if Allaah had gathered the first and the last (of people) in a single plain and He was calling them to account. Whilst I was standing, I was called for, so I proceeded until I stood in front of Allaah, the Mighty and Majestic, and He said to me, ‘0 Ahmad, for what were you beaten?’ I said, “On account of the Qur’aan.” He said, “And what is the Qur’aan?” I said, “Your words, 0 Allaah, belonging to You.” He said, ‘From where do you (derive and) say this?’ I said, “0 Lord, ‘Abdur-Razzaaq narrated to me.” So ‘AbdurRazzaaq was called for and he was brought, until he was made to stand in front of Allaah, the Mighty and Magnificent, and He said to him, ‘What do you say about the Qur’aan, 0 ‘Abdur-Razzaaq?’

He said, ‘Your words, 0 Allaah, belonging to You,’ so Allaah said, ‘From where do you (derive and) say this?’ He said, ‘Ma’mar narrated to me.’ So Ma’mar was called for and he was brought, until he was made to stand in front of Allaah, the Mighty and Magnificent, and He said to him, ‘What do you say about the Qur’aan, 0 Ma’mar?’ He said, ‘Your words, 0 Allaah, belonging to You,’ so Allaah said, ‘From where do you (derive and) say this?’ He said, ‘Az-- Zuhree narrated to me.’ So az-Zuhree was called for and he was Brought, until he was made to stand in front of Allaah, the Mighty and Magnificent, and He said to him, ‘What do you say about the Qur’aan, 0 Zuhree?’He said, ‘Your words, 0 Allaah, belonging to You,’ So Allaah said, ‘From where do you (derive and) say this?’ He said, “Urwah narrated to me.’ So ‘Urwah was brought, and He said to him, ‘What do you say about the Qur’aan?’ He said, ‘Your Words, 0 AIIaah, belonging to You,’ so Allaah said, ‘0 ‘Urwah, from where do you (derive and) say this?’ He said, “Aa’ishah, the daughter of Aboo Bakr as-Siddeeq, narrated to me.’ So ‘Aa’ishah was called for and she was brought, until she was made to stand in front of Allaah, the Mighty and Magnificent, and He said to her, ‘What do you say about the Qur’aan, 0 ‘Aa’ishah?’ She said, ‘Your words, 0 Allaah, belonging to You,’ so Allaah said, ‘From where do you (derive and) say this?’ She said, ‘Your Prophet Muhammad (swallallahu alaihi wasallam) narrated to me.’ He said, ‘So Muhammad (swallallahu alaihi wasallam) was called for and he was brought, until he was made to stand in front of Allaah, the Mighty and Magnificent, and He said to him, ‘What do you say about the Qur’aan, 0 Muhammad?’ He said, ‘Your words, 0 Allaah, belonging to You,’ so Allaah said, ‘From where has this come to you?’ So the Prophet (swallallahu alaihi wasallam) said, ‘Jibreel narrated to me.’

So Jibreel was called for and he was brought, until he was made to stand in front of Allaah, the Mighty and Magnificent, and He said to him, ‘What do you say about the Qur’aan, 0 Jibreel?’ He said, ‘Your words, 0 Allaah belonging to You,’ so Allaah said, ‘From where has this come to you?’ He said, ‘Such did Israafeel narrate to me. So Israafeel was called for and he was brought, until he was made to stand in front of Allaah, the Mighty and Magnificent, and Allaah, the Sublime, said to him, ‘What do you say about the Qur’aan, 0 Israafeel?’ He said, ‘Your words, 0 Allaah, belonging to You,’ so Allaah said, ‘From where has this come to you?’ He said, ‘I saw that in the Lawhul-Mahfooz (the Preserved Tablet).’

So the Preserved Tablet was brought and stood in front of Allaah, the Mighty and Magnificent, and He said, ‘0 Lawh, what do you say about the Qur’aan?’ And it said, ‘Your words, 0 Allaah, belonging to You.’ Then Allaah, the Exalted said, ‘From where has this come to you?’ And the Lawh said, ‘Such did the Qalam (the Pen) inscribe upon me.’ Then the Pen was brought until it stood in front of Allaah, the Mighty and Majestic, so Allaah, the Mighty and Majestic, said to it, ‘0 Qalam, what do you say about the Qur’aan?’ The Qalam said, ‘Your words, 0 Allaah, belonging to You.’ So Allaah said, ‘From where has this come to you?’ The Qalam said — ‘You dictated and I wrote.’ Then Allaah, the Mighty and Magnificent, said, ‘The Qalam has spoken the truth. The Lawh has spoken the truth. Israafeel has spoken the truth. Jibreel has spoken the truth. Muhammad has spoken the truth. ‘Aa’ishah has spoken the truth. ‘Urwah has spoken the truth. Az-Zuhree has spoken the truth. Ma’mar has spoken the truth. ‘Abdur-Razzaaq has spoken the truth. Ahmad ibn Hanbal has spoken the truth. The Qur’aan is My Speech, it is not created.’

Sulaymaan as-Sijzee said, ‘Al-Mu’tasim leapt upon hearing that and said, ‘You have spoken the truth, 0 son of Hanbal.’ Then al- Mu’tasim repented, ordered the necks of Bishr al-Mareesee and Ibn Abee Duwaad to be beaten and revered Ahmadl ibn Hanbal and bestowed upon him, but (Ahmad) refrained from that. He was then ordered to be taken to his house and was taken.’

If one was to read the oppression and tortre Al-Mu'tasim done to the Muslims who were upoin the Truth and how many he Butchered and we see him also changing his Ways.

Verily Guiadance is from Allah. Allah Guides whome He Wills.

[NewMuslim]

:salam2:
Shiites celebrate EID on Saturday while most sunnis celebrate on Sunday...
Well, they hanged Saddam on Sunday. I wonder why..? Even when the decision was made to hang Saddam.. It was a day (if i am not wrong) before the election between Democrats and Republicans. I wonder why..?

Assalamu Alaykum
A U.S. official said that the United States wanted to postpone the hanging until the end of Eid. However, the Iraqi government urged and pressured the United States into giving him to the Iraqis for hanging on Eid.

[Ahmed ibn Ibrahim]

Assalamu Alaykum
A U.S. official said that the United States wanted to postpone the hanging until the end of Eid. However, the Iraqi government urged and pressured the United States into giving him to the Iraqis for hanging on Eid.

:salam2:

... A US official also said there were WMD in Iraq; That there were direct ties between Al Queda and Iraq; That the Americans would be greeted as liberators in Iraq; That Iraq is better off today without Saddam in charge; That the US would have finished the war "by Christmas", years ago; That America is safer now for having gone to Iraq ... Do you really believe ANYTHING that these people say? C'mon...

Hahahahah, that's a funny one, too: "the Iraqi government urged and pressured the United States into..." Bahahah, good one! :lol:

with respect, :wasalam:
Br. Brandon