CBC interview. unveiling the muslim women-worth watching

[maisha_d]

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a CBC interview regarding the veil and hijab..interview of three muslim women,non-hijabi,hijabi,and niqabi...worth watching.

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[NewMuslim]

:wasalam:
Whoo! JazakAlah Khair for that link!

I'm on the part where the unveiled Muslim sister is asking "does it state in the Qur'an to cover yourself up?". DEFINATLY WORTH WATCHING!

However...

Brothers be aware that there is an uncovered sister in the film.
I know that some people will overlook what you just said (about the type of peopel in the film) so I'll just post that disclaimer :D

[shaz_1999]

Well Kool

Jazakhallah

I loved it

[ambo dalle]

The sister who unveiled,in my thought she might be forgot to look back the teaching of rasulullah saw. coz in the holly quran we also don't find the way how to do the shalat (prey) five times a day, Allah SWT just said do prey and pay zakat. But Rasulullah SAW teached us how to do it in the rigth way
But If Im wrong I appologize,than pls correct me

[Mohamed's wife]

:salam2:
I am deaf and wondering does anyone know how to put subtitles or captions on the video? So i'll know what they are saying. or someone cld give me the summary of what is going on and the summaries of what each woman are saying please? Thank you
:wasalam:

[OnlyOne]

JazakAllah for posting this video. I just really wanted to go and join in on this conversation when they were talking about how men don't have to wear hjiab and that issue. That non-hijabi should make herself knowledgable before acting like an Alim and following her own fatwas.

[NewMuslim]

:salam2:
I am deaf and wondering does anyone know how to put subtitles or captions on the video? So i'll know what they are saying. Thank you
:wasalam:

:wasalam:
:bismillah:
I'm not sure how to edit the video to put subtitles in, but I can put the dialouge down here Insha'Allah.

The women are arguing over why it is wrong what the West percieves of the Hijab and whether or not the Hijab is necessary.

I'll divide it into sections:

From the start of the film to 1 1/2 minutes into it (1:30):
(Woman wearing Hijab) - "My name is Sumayyah Hussein, I'm 24 years old, I started wearing Hijab when I was a child; I can't really remember when. I wear it because I believe it is something my Creator wants from me, and I also believe it's a benefit for myself".

(Woman not wearing any veil) - "My name is Sonia Khan, I'm 32, I'm originally from Pakistan, and I don't wear Hijab nor Niqaab".

(Woman wearing Niqaab) - "Hello, my name is Sheikha Al-Kathiri, I'm 20 years old, I've been wearing the Niqaab for 1 year, and I do it to please my Creator and as part of completing my faith".

(Woman interviewing the others) - "Let me ask you straight out what most people I think would want to know is why do you feel it's necessary to hide your face?"

Sister Sheikha - "By covering my face I'm honoring myself and I'm presenting myself to the world as a sum of my character, as a sum of my personalility; my contribution towards society. And..umm...it's just the little bit that I'm doing to...enable me to go through this pass of...of...path of spiritual discovery and it's something that I really feel glad and happy and I feel wonderful for having done it and it's just a spiritual choice".

(Woman interviewing the others) - "Why do you feel wonderful for having done it?"

Sister Sheikha - "It just exemplifies the fact that I'm an honored Muslim woman; I am an honorable woman who...has her own opinions, she has her own voice, I have my own personality, I have my character, I have everything that's wonderful about me I contribute to society and..umm...my beauty is a wonderful part of me as well".

I'll have to continue it tomorrow...
:wasalam:

[NewMuslim]

:salam2:
:bismillah:
I can continue the dialogue right now, Sister Mohamad's Wife.

Continued dialogue from 1 1/2 minutes into the video (1:30) to 3 minutes and 39 seconds into the video (3:39)
Sister Sheikha - "Beauty is a wonderful part of me as well. But I don't feel that I have to display all for the world".

(Woman interviewing the others) - "[talking to Sister Sumayyah] Is that the function of the Hijab when you wear it?"

Sister Sumayyah - "It's basically a message that says that I would like you to judge me based on who I am, and what I do, and it's not based on...you know...the way I look. And...uh...it's...I mean people may not like that but it is a fact that men and women are percieved differently".

Sister Sheikha - "If I wasn't wearing the veil; for example, to me um...a...a...a man coming up to me and just chatting me up. It might be normal; but to me I might not like that".

(Woman interviewing the others) - "I'm interested in the concept of...to...it's...to make men behave better towards you. Is that what I'm hearing?"

Sister Sheikha - "My covering does not exmpt a man from his responsibility as a man...to...to behave himself responsibly as you say; to conduct himself in a morally befitting manner. Just because I cover myself doesn't mean I'm doing it to make his job easier"

(Woman interviewing the others) - "Mm... let me put to you what Jack Straw actually said. He said 'Communities are bound together partly by informal chance meetings between strangers. People being able to acknowledge each other in the street or being able to pass the time of day together. That's made more difficult if people are wearing a veil; that's just a fact of life'"

Sister Sheikha - "Oh. I don't agree with that at all. I don't feel that, just because I cover my face, why is that a barrier for you to treat me as a human being, to...umm...relate to me as a human being as somebody with opinions, with personality, with things that they can bring to the table"

Sister Sumayyah - "You know...Muslim women who choose to dress this way do that because they feel...you know cover this way first of all because they believe God wants that of them, you know, and they believe that God knows better for them than they know"

Sister Sonia - "Does it state in the Qur'an that you're supposed to wear a Hijab? I...I...don't think---[cut off by Sister Sumayyah]

Sister Sumayyah - "---Yes it does, it does---[Sister Sonia continues]

Sister Sonia - "[Sister Sumayyah cutting in between]It states directly that you're supposed to wear a Hijab?"

Sister Sumayyah - "[cutting in between Sister Sonia]It does...[pointing to the women interviewing them] She just read it".

Sister Sonia - "[continuing without interruption]I don't think there's a clear statement or understanding but a lot of...uh...I think philosophers of Islamic scholars saying this is exactly what you need to wear. There is no clear understanding on that matter---"[cut off by Sister Sumayyah]

Sister Sumayyah - "[cutting between Sister Sonia]I think there is a clear understanding...There's a very clear understanding...No, I didn't say that...I didn't say that...But...but...there is a majority and a minority..."

Sister Sonia"[continuing]So if you...rethink...there's...there's a literally fair you'll...read...all scholars saying the same thing? I disagree. A lot of scholars will say dress code is in effect.

To be continued...
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[NewMuslim]

:salam2:
:bismillah:
Continued dialogue...

From 3 minutes and 39 seconds into the video (3:39) to 6 minutes and 11 seconds into the video (6:11)


(Woman interviewing the others) - "But the face can be open? There's nothing wrong with that...?"

Sister Sumayyah - "The face is not necessary"

(Woman interviewing the others) - "[pointing to Sister Sheikha]Do you believe that?"

Sister Sheikha - Umm...Ya. I wasn't wearing it before and now I am. There are people who do believe that the face is obligatory...but I think that it's their choice in the end"

(Woman interviewing the others) - "Sonia: what do you think the message is when you see a veiled woman?"

Sister Sonia - "Then the question...Ok, I'm living in Canada and wearing a Hijab I'm covering up my face. Am I going to be someone who will bring people together? Jews, Christians, Muslims? I don't think so. Am I going to be the one who will be a philosopher; bringing new ideas to the table? Actually getting people involved in the community? I think it'll create more barriers. It's not you it's them. It's...as in the people around you. There are stereotypes; there are percieved notions. All I'm saying is as-as a Muslim you're a missionary at heart. You're supposed to actually attract people towards you not repel them"

(Woman interviewing the others) - "Well let me bring this to you, and this is the English translation of the Qur'an: 'Tell the faithful women to lower their gaze and guard their private parts and not display their beauty except what is apparent of it and to extend their scarf to cover their bossom'. [Talking to Sister Sonia] Is that...are you not being faithful to the Qur'an?"

Sister Sonia - "Yes...It doesn't say cover any particular part except for the bossom. So I think it's about the humility of it and that there's no...uhh...kind of implication of what exactly...what item you need to wear. We need to implicate, we need to assimilate, and we need to be able to move from one culture to the other without looking like something from a different era"

Sister Sheikha - "I don't think it creates any barriers. I don't think you have to assimilate in all ways. I think you should assimilate in...in...um...in the basic human ways of goodness and helping others. But we shouldn't have to assimilate in your dress because what is dress? It's just superficial"

Sister Sonia - "No it's not. People always percieve you by what you wear. No one...I'm not talking about your communication...for example if I'm non-Muslim I will judge you. I would put a label on you and I would walk away because---"[cut off by Sister Sumayyah]

Sister Sumayyah - "How is that...How is that our fault, though?"

Sister Sonia - It's not your fault. But, I think the world has changed and as a Muslim; you need to represent Islam as an encompassing thing, not as an exclusionary thing. You're excluding people in your world"

(Woman interviewing the others) - "Sumayyah: you want to say something to that?"

Sister Sumayyah - "I think you need to give people a little bit more credit. People are really...they're not that stupid. I mean..."

(Woman interviewing the others) - "You mean the public at large?"


To be continued...

[Dawoodi]

salam w

that sister in the midle, i feel sorry for her may Allah show her the rigth way and provide her with proper understanding of the Quran and sunnah.

we can see she has very ignorant perseption of islam.

salam w.

[Believe2Succeed]

^ May Allah SWT guide all oif us.... many of us are like that, which gives fuel to the fire of hatred and condemnation against the "veil" and "hijab".

[NewMuslim]

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:bismillah:
From 6 minutes and 11 seconds into the video (6:11) to 8 minutes and 50 seconds into the video (8:05)
Sister Sumayyah - "I mean just because someone is covered up in a certain way doesn't mean that everyone is going to see them as someone completely weird"

(Woman interviewing the others) - "But is there discomfort? Can you feel discomfort from people who are not Muslim? Who don't understand?"

Sister Sumayyah - "If I meet someone who doesn't know anything at all about Islam and has no stereotypes, they're gonna be very friendly with me. It's the baggage and it's the stereotypes that makes people...you know...defensive...and...and...prejudiced and so on. I know people are walking...looking at me, don't agree with me and that's totally acceptable"

(Woman interviewing the others) - "How do you know?"

Sister Sumayyah - "I know. I know because the way they look at me"

(Woman interviewing the others) - "How do they look at you?"

Sister Sumayyah - "Ok, there are a few people who give dirty looks and stuff like that...I'm used to it. Most people they're just...they're just...curious; which is...you know...which is fine, too. I wish they'd come ask me; I'd love to explain it"

(Woman interviewing the others) - "Essentially what Jack Straw was saying and a lot of other people were saying now is...you know...how can I...trust you? How can I get a feel for what you are saying if I can't see the entirety of your face?"

Sister Sheikha - "Well...let me ask you a question; How do you get a feel for what someone's saying on the phone? And we use telephones...like...constantly nowadays...people use the internet a lot"

(Woman interviewing the others) - "Do you believe like you're equal to a man?"

Sister Sheikha - "Oh! The thing is...that...I do believe I'm equal to...to a man"

Sister Sonia - "Why don't men wear the same kind of...equivalent if men are equal to women?"

(Woman interviewing the others) - "Yeah, why is that? Why do you believe men are not required? Presumebly God made---we can all agree that God made all of us...right? He made my face, your face, a man's face...Why would He require a woman to cover some aspect of herself and not a man?"

Sister Sumayyah - "Covering yourself is...is something that's natural to us. We...you know...we cover parts of ourselves that we think is not for public consumption; and if people differ on what that modesty is, I think that's totally fine and I know I shouldn't have a problem with that. And the issue of equality and...and dress...I mean men...men also have their...their own...their own dress code. I mean they can't just...they can't just...you know...walk around wearing whatever they want"

(to be continued...)
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[Eemaan87]

Bismillaah ir Rahman ir Raheem.

Assaalaamu 'alaikum wa rahmaatullaahi wa baraakaatuh.

I'm a bit concerned about the lack of knowledge all three of these Muslimahs displayed. First off, the non-hijabi obviously lacks sufficient knowledge of the Qur'aan, because there is a verse that states the muslimahs must draw their khimars over themselves. Secondly, the niqaabi seems to have the wrong intentions for wearing a niqaab (based on what she said); one should only do optional things for Allaah (subhanahu wa ta'ala) to gain His reward, otherwise the reward will simply be from others or for ourselves. Thirdly, I felt the hijabi sister should have at least addressed the question about muslim men not having to wear hijab, which is of course not true. It would have been best for her to point out, if she knew, that men must cover their awrah, from the knees to the navel, and that this is just as obligatory for them as it for women to wear hijab. As well, wearing business pants and shirts which show the shape of their body is haraam, just as it would be haraam for a sister to wear such tight-fitting clothes.

But what concerns me most is that the sisters let the interviewer get away with saying "Why would God do that?". As Muslims, we know not to question Allaah's (subhanahu wa ta'ala) commandements in the Qur'aan, for He knows best, and these sisters should have explained that. I wish for once the western media would actually interview a knowledgeable scholar of Islaam, like Sheikh al-Fawzaan, or Sheikh al-Madkhalee, or so on. I don't know if they can speak English, though.

Assaalaamu 'alaikum wa rahmaatullaahi wa baraakaatuh.

[Basicofislam]

:salam2: . i felt the Sonia Khan who was from pakistan has no knowledge of Islam or what the quran says. I see that with a lot of pakistani and indian women were hijab is concerened. I know tons of ladies who say were in the quran is it written that we have to wear hijab. Hey the word hijab is not written. They dont know the historical dress code. KHIMAR is a head covering which woman of that time used to wear . It was a scarf which used to come till below the waist. And the women in those days used to wear it pushed back. Like you must have seen how the christians Mariam ( MARY) RA show wearing her scarf. Allah tala said to bring that scarf in the front and not let it hand loose at the back and cover your chest and neck. Does not mean to take it off the head and cover your chest. But it mean the khimar remains on the head but is brought to the front and the chest is covered. The lady in Hijab did not tell what Islam tells about the Aura of Man and Woman. The men are not supposed to wear shorts. I see a lot of brothers wearing it. A mans aura is till his knee. So he has to wear pants that are below his knee. Also a man is supposed to lower his gaze in the presence of a woman.Third a man is supposed to have a beard.

[radwan]

salam alikoum.

I am so proud of my two sisters on the video masha allah,i have a question about downloading video cause i have so many to share with my brothers and sisters but i just don't know how to download them from other web site
If someone can help i will be greatful .
SALAM ALIKOUM.

[NewMuslim]

salam alikoum.

I am so proud of my two sisters on the video masha allah,i have a question about downloading video cause i have so many to share with my brothers and sisters but i just don't know how to download them from other web site
If someone can help i will be greatful .
SALAM ALIKOUM.

:wasalam:
:bismillah:
Not sure how you can download it, but maybe the link to the video will help you (Insha'Allah):
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-1950353507655248547&q=CBC%2BNews%2BSunday%3A%2BUnveiling%2BWomen

[nasir89ah]

Alhumdillah that was a good video......i feel it could have been a little more diverse.....in there selection


and new muslim may Allah bless you for writing out the entire video for the deaf sister

[Delyan]

salaam

well thanks for posting this very interestting video..The non veiled woman is totally out of the basis of the Quran, she even don't realize that sourate el Noor 's clearly saying as an order from Allah to wear our hejab. Her conception that consists in saying that we re dealing to be excluded from society is pathethic, ignorance ignorance ! she doesnt even know wht she s talki,g about

[ripefig]

:salam2:

As for the person you call "the sister in the middle," I am too upset to use the word sister right now,:angryred: however, I still ask Allah most high to guide her. Someone had to know her views to invite her to that interview. Did everyone notice her eagerness to please the public instead of Allah? These kind of remarks she made on national TV is disappointing. For every non Muslim who listens to her and don,t know much about Islam will think that it is not obligatory for sisters to cover their heads. She will even be a bad inspiration for weaker Muslims. The two sisters handled themselves pretty well. May Allah guide all the sisters around the world and protect their dignity in this world and the next, AMEEN.

P.S. It takes a special woman to cover herself for the pleasure of their Lord despite the trials and tribulations. May Allah reward you all for your courage and faith.:jazaak:

[Delyan]

yes totally ok with you, eagerness drove her instead of a real deep kowledge of her deen..she s carrying a big and heavy responsibilities, sins, after such a speech..she doesn't wanna make the step to Islam for she s afraid to discover things that don't suit her being way..using pretenses in the name of modernity to hide what she can't or refuse to assume..the best example is when the journalist read her sourate el noor, look at her answer, absolutely elusive, closed...

I hate that, when someone judges without knowing what we re actually : this is a real discrimination, this is what sterotypes and prejudices are all about...to threw away difference in order to feel more secure whatever it costs...pathethic

[sammuslimah]

mashallah to the two sister that were covering may Allah reward them and as for the third sister did she have to she have to come on tv to say silly things like that i mean couldint she just stay at home or something it really pisses me off when i see sisters like that ignorant who does she think she is coming on tv saying we should unveil shame on her i am just glad i was not one of the ather sister i might have swinged her on or something lol

[harun]

May Allah (swt) reward the 2 veiled sisters and give rahma to the one sister without an veil:-(

[apocalypse77]

another one of those "oh shes a muslim woman who doesnt wear hijab and shes going to hell for this" eh?

well what can i say? i personally beleive these women are not exactly fit to be ask questions anyway..the the women in veil doesnt even realise veil is just a sunnah

[Jihan]

mashAllah I loved it! the sisters were very intelligent! i wish I was invited...

[jabba]

mashallah to the two sister that were covering may Allah reward them and as for the third sister did she have to she have to come on tv to say silly things like that i mean couldint she just stay at home or something it really pisses me off when i see sisters like that ignorant who does she think she is coming on tv saying we should unveil shame on her i am just glad i was not one of the ather sister i might have swinged her on or something lol

:salam2:
I definately do not have the same views as the sister in the middle, but I don't wear hijab, and it really saddens me to see people's hostile reaction to women without hijab on. May Allah (SWT) guide us all and take away our judegments and awful sterotypes ameen.

[DOC_BRO]

Alhumdolilah two sisters in hijab/veil MashaAllah great to see such a firm belief. As for the paki sister in knew she would say that...may Allah show her the straight path.But am really sorry that she argues abt the ayats in Al-quran abt lowering gaze, she is blinded by the shaitan or she is molded into modernization... She shouldnt have argued without proper information if she doesnt wear it thats up to her but to argue that its no where in Islam to cover that too sad to hear.
(Allah knows the best)

Apocalypse77
"another one of those "oh shes a muslim woman who doesnt wear hijab and shes going to hell for this" eh?

well what can i say? i personally beleive these women are not exactly fit to be ask questions anyway..the the women in veil doesnt even realise veil is just a sunnah"

AND

Jabba
:salam2:
I definately do not have the same views as the sister in the middle, but I don't wear hijab, and it really saddens me to see people's hostile reaction to women without hijab on. May Allah (SWT) guide us all and take away our judegments and awful sterotypes ameen.

Its not anyone against a women not wearing hijab, Hijab is mandatory but cant be forced and i dont clearly knw abt veil but i guess it is Sunnah and if a woman is not wearing hijab dosent mean she i bad or evil
But what the point is that for eg: lets say if we do something wrong at our work and our boss or supervisor asks us why/what n we admit our mistake and say yes I am sorry its my mistake n so on and assure not to reapeat it RIGHT??? we dont argue with our bosses at work that oh the protocol doesnt say that or the rules dont have clause on that etc.coz we knw v r gonna get fired or suspended and its better to admit our mistake if v are at fault coz the matter could get streached out, right?
so why is it when it comes to Islam we blame everything or find excuses in the religion oh it doesnt say in quran, it doesnt say in hadith...why??? instead to admit that yes its me who is doing wrong, its me who doesnt understand or follow the rules and not my religion.
what my point here is that sister without hijab should have or could have admitted that it my choice that i am not wearing , instead of blaming and asking where is it written ??? I mean u see sister thats a difference and I am not saying or pointing to one person women or men it goes generally including me.

May Allah bestow his mercy upon us InshaAllah

Allah O AKBAR...

The most wonderfull heart, is the heart that fear Allah.
The most beautiful words are The Words of Allah.
The Purest love is The Love for Allah.

[jabba]

Jabba
:salam2:
I definately do not have the same views as the sister in the middle, but I don't wear hijab, and it really saddens me to see people's hostile reaction to women without hijab on. May Allah (SWT) guide us all and take away our judegments and awful sterotypes ameen.

Its not anyone against a women not wearing hijab, Hijab is mandatory but cant be forced and i dont clearly knw abt veil but i guess it is Sunnah and if a woman is not wearing hijab dosent mean she i bad or evil
But what the point is that for eg: lets say if we do something wrong at our work and our boss or supervisor asks us why/what n we admit our mistake and say yes I am sorry its my mistake n so on and assure not to reapeat it RIGHT??? we dont argue with our bosses at work that oh the protocol doesnt say that or the rules dont have clause on that etc.coz we knw v r gonna get fired or suspended and its better to admit our mistake if v are at fault coz the matter could get streached out, right?
so why is it when it comes to Islam we blame everything or find excuses in the religion oh it doesnt say in quran, it doesnt say in hadith...why??? instead to admit that yes its me who is doing wrong, its me who doesnt understand or follow the rules and not my religion.
what my point here is that sister without hijab should have or could have admitted that it my choice that i am not wearing , instead of blaming and asking where is it written ??? I mean u see sister thats a difference and I am not saying or pointing to one person women or men it goes generally including me.

May Allah bestow his mercy upon us InshaAllah

Allah O AKBAR...


The most wonderfull heart, is the heart that fear Allah.
The most beautiful words are The Words of Allah.
The Purest love is The Love for Allah.

Salam Alaikum Brother
I understand yourpoints but you are a brother so I don't think you could ever truly understand my struggle with hijab. I am not making excuses, I know if I wore hijab people would see me as a practising muslim. I know and agree that hijab is fard. Everyone has a last step or goal in becoming a better muslim/ah, for some people it's praying 5 x's a day, others it's eating halal food ect. For me it's hijab........

[loveislam1]

Asaalam Alikoum sister
I know and agree that hijab is fard.
And that is the difference between you and the sister in the video who despite all of the islamic proofs still refuses to aknowedge that hijab is fard. It is one thing to chose not to follow or obey the orders of allah subhana wa ta;ala it is very much a different story to try to change HIS orders to suit her.
I hope it is merely due to ignorance and not her arrogance and inshallah she will be guided

I hope you too dear sister one day decide to adorn the hijab, despite any adversities that you will endure, ALLAH subhana wa t'ala never gives more than we can bear, and I pray that ALLAH makes it easy for you sister.

[DOC_BRO]

Salam Alaikum Brother
I understand yourpoints but you are a brother so I don't think you could ever truly understand my struggle with hijab. I am not making excuses, I know if I wore hijab people would see me as a practising muslim. I know and agree that hijab is fard. Everyone has a last step or goal in becoming a better muslim/ah, for some people it's praying 5 x's a day, others it's eating halal food ect. For me it's hijab........

:wasalam:
InshaAllah sister Allah will surely guide u and fulfill all the righteous wishes InshaAllah and our prayers goes out for all the muslims brothers and sister struggling daily to practice Islam in the best way, May Allah guide us all and makes our task easier.Ur on the right path & one day u will surely find urself most complete InshaAllah.
Dont worry sister my wife had the same problem infact let me tell u the truth she wanted to wear hijab but nauzobillah i was the one who didnt motivate her because i didnt wanted her to be discriminated n afraid of that but she always fought with me :( for that but Alhumdolilah she had a stong belief that she has to wear it and I left it on her own I said u have to decided i wont force it to u do it whenever u like to and she does wear now infact to tell u the truth that now tht she is wearing hijab there are lot of ppl curious at her work n askher question and once she had dropped her hijab pin somewhere and u knw what her boss came up to her and said that i think mam this should be urs and handed it to her... u knw i felt that i was so stupid not to encourage her to wear it i was afraid of ppl and not Allah but now MashaAllah it seems so true that if we seek the right path Allah does guide onto it.
So dnt worry sister Allah will also make ur task more easy and u wont even realise that once u had such difficulty InshaAllah AAMEEN.

My duas for everybody

The most wonderfull heart, is the heart that fear Allah.
The most beautiful words are The Words of Allah.
The Purest love is The Love for Allah

[shaheeda35]

:salam2:
:ma: it was worth watching!! Sister in the middle needs to read more, The quran does not change and will not change to fit our own whims and desires,:astag: Allah has told us to cover for our own protection against all the evil that is out there, its a blessing, Alhamdullilah!!

[kayleigh]

Very interesting. I loved it.

The only part I don't like with is that some statements made makes it sound like non-hijabis are not honorable. Maybe I'm just imagining it because that's an opinion I've seen so often.

I agree with what the non-hijabi on some things she said, but I'll leave it at that.

Even if you think she's wrong in every word that comes out of her mouth, I think some people here should be ashamed for how they've judged and bashed the sister in the middle.

I love all three sisters in the video and I enjoyed hearing what all of them had to say. Some of you are making judgments on the middle one, questioning her knowledge on Islam based on ONE subject. For all you know, she has in depth knowledge of a lot of other things to do with Islam. Even if she doesn't, you don't know how strong her faith is. I think her "missionary at heart" statement suggests that she has a lot of faith. Heck, she might even have stronger faith than some women who wear hijab - but we don't know that at all. ONLY Allah knows, and ONLY Allah can judge her. Not any of us, so none of us should be saying some of the things that have been said about her.

I would have liked to see a convert hijabi in it - someone who choose to wear the hijab instead of being trained to do it since before she could remember. I think that would reach people more, since the convert probably lived and experienced life without hijab and would have something to compare the "hijabed" life to.

[kayleigh]

I wish for once the western media would actually interview a knowledgeable scholar of Islaam, like Sheikh al-Fawzaan, or Sheikh al-Madkhalee, or so on. I don't know if they can speak English, though.

Assaalaamu 'alaikum wa rahmaatullaahi wa baraakaatuh.

That would be interesting but I don't think it would be as helpful. Or rather, I don't think interviewing regular Muslims is harmful.

People in the West aren't going to be dealing with real, accurate, perfectly practiced Islam 99.9% of the time, or ever. What people in the West will deal with are normal, regular, practicing Muslims, not scholars with extensive knowledge. If you want to convert them, show them a scholar (maybe). If you want to educate the ignorant masses on something they know nothing about but are going to have to deal more with in their own towns and cities, show them regular, average, Muslims. And that's what these women are - average, normal Muslims. And I think the bigger purpose for programs like these are just to educate the masses and maybe make them not as judgmental of Islam in the future. Women like this are accessible and people can relate to them, which is why they'll listen to them more.

[DOC_BRO]

Very interesting. I loved it.

The only part I don't like with is that some statements made makes it sound like non-hijabis are not honorable. Maybe I'm just imagining it because that's an opinion I've seen so often.

I agree with what the non-hijabi on some things she said, but I'll leave it at that.

Even if you think she's wrong in every word that comes out of her mouth, I think some people here should be ashamed for how they've judged and bashed the sister in the middle.

I love all three sisters in the video and I enjoyed hearing what all of them had to say. Some of you are making judgments on the middle one, questioning her knowledge on Islam based on ONE subject. For all you know, she has in depth knowledge of a lot of other things to do with Islam. Even if she doesn't, you don't know how strong her faith is. I think her "missionary at heart" statement suggests that she has a lot of faith. Heck, she might even have stronger faith than some women who wear hijab - but we don't know that at all. ONLY Allah knows, and ONLY Allah can judge her. Not any of us, so none of us should be saying some of the things that have been said about her.

I would have liked to see a convert hijabi in it - someone who choose to wear the hijab instead of being trained to do it since before she could remember. I think that would reach people more, since the convert probably lived and experienced life without hijab and would have something to compare the "hijabed" life to.


No one says non-hijabis are not honourable the thing is of accepting the truth " if she said that ya i opted not to wear than its ok but why did she question quran or hadith when Allah has showed us and told us clearly then why find a chance or and excuse...??? do we do that with other worldly thing no??? then why when it comes to religion we do it??? lot of my cousin sisters dont wear hijab but they are very good practicing muslims, but on the other hand they dont deny the fact that its ordered by Allah. Thats the main point. No one is bashing the sister but her thoughts are very personal not Islamic that is what she should have cleared out.N yes ur right that she might have a good Imaan compared to others, agree.

I think u smartly edited ur post as u too stated tht u agree with her that "where in the quran its written or hadith says that hijab is mandatory n something else, right???
but thats ignorance if we see the signs and infact revealed to us clearly but still we turn our blind eye...& should be ashmed of that too...
And it doesnt goes for women but for all men n women whereevery it may imply so pls dont make it a feminist issue is general not related to gender we all are sinners.
Pls we cant have r own thoughts when it comes to Islam because its period no change if we like it or not. and this forum is not like other common forums that we may speak out our mind we have to obey the rules. U may sympathise with that sister if u share the sam thought no problem and so do we nothing personal against her its just simply to keep Islam word away from what doesnt fall into it.

Sorry if my words were rude it just i wanted to clear the doubts. btw Allah knows the best

The most wonderfull heart, is the heart that fear Allah.
The most beautiful words are The Words of Allah.
The Purest love is The Love for Allah.

[kayleigh]

No one says non-hijabis are not honourable the thing is of accepting the truth " if she said that ya i opted not to wear than its ok but why did she question quran or hadith when Allah has showed us and told us clearly then why find a chance or and excuse...??? do we do that with other worldly thing no??? then why when it comes to religion we do it??? lot of my cousin sisters dont wear hijab but they are very good practicing muslims, but on the other hand they dont deny the fact that its ordered by Allah. Thats the main point. No one is bashing the sister but her thoughts are very personal not Islamic that is what she should have cleared out.N yes ur right that she might have a good Imaan compared to others, agree.

I think u smartly edited ur post as u too stated tht u agree with her that "where in the quran its written or hadith says that hijab is mandatory n something else, right???
but thats ignorance if we see the signs and infact revealed to us clearly but still we turn our blind eye...& should be ashmed of that too...
And it doesnt goes for women but for all men n women whereevery it may imply so pls dont make it a feminist issue is general not related to gender we all are sinners.
Pls we cant have r own thoughts when it comes to Islam because its period no change if we like it or not. and this forum is not like other common forums that we may speak out our mind we have to obey the rules. U may sympathise with that sister if u share the sam thought no problem and so do we nothing personal against her its just simply to keep Islam word away from what doesnt fall into it.

Sorry if my words were rude it just i wanted to clear the doubts. btw Allah knows the best

The most wonderfull heart, is the heart that fear Allah.
The most beautiful words are The Words of Allah.
The Purest love is The Love for Allah.

:salam2:

Why can't she question Qur'an? She's not questioning the authority of it, or whether or not its the word of Allah, she's questioning whether or not it's clear and specific pertaining to the issue of hijab. There's a huge difference.

She's voicing her opinions. She has a right to do that, even if you think she's right or wrong.

The problem is, I don't see it as revealed clearly at all in the Qur'an. I didn't question hadiths in my statements before I edited, and I don't now. Furthermore, the sister in the video didn't question hadith - she questioned the clarity of the Qur'an.

Not once have I even alluded to this having anything to do with feminism. I have never once stated that women shouldn't wear hijab. I have said that in certain situations, the niqab can be a barrier when dealing with certain people, but in the same sentence I made it quite clear that all women should have the right to wear the hijab and niqab. However, the issue of wearing a hijab is gender related simply because it's women and only women who wear the scarf. I am quite aware that men also have a dress code, but they don't wear scarves, which is what makes this different and specific to women.

I don't see at all how I'm not obeying the rules. First off, this is the News and Current affairs section of the forum, which is where, generally, people are free to give their thoughts on a certain topic. Pretty much everyone else has voiced their opinion - sometimes in a very harsh, and rude way pertaining to the middle sister. So why can't I tell you my opinion? Because it's different than yours? I am not telling people that they shouldn't wear hijab, nor am I telling people that it's not in the Qur'an. I have tried to make it clear through all my statements that I think it is unclear in the Qur'an, and that I personally don't find that part of the Qur'an to be absolutely clear in the English translations that I have read. I have also tried to make it clear that it is clear in the hadith. If I am somehow failing at getting this point across, I apologize, and hopefully people can understand now.

The main point that I was trying to get across is that people making rude comments and bashing her because of her personal choice and because of her opinion, whether right or wrong, should stop because a) it's just not something you should do, especially to a sister and, b) our judgments don't matter. Only Allah's judgment matters, and only Allah can pass final judgment on her, so there's no point in making ourselves look bad by lashing out at her.

[DOC_BRO]

:salam2:

Why can't she question Qur'an? She's not questioning the authority of it, or whether or not its the word of Allah, she's questioning whether or not it's clear and specific pertaining to the issue of hijab. There's a huge difference.

She's voicing her opinions. She has a right to do that, even if you think she's right or wrong.

The problem is, I don't see it as revealed clearly at all in the Qur'an. I didn't question hadiths in my statements before I edited, and I don't now. Furthermore, the sister in the video didn't question hadith - she questioned the clarity of the Qur'an.

Not once have I even alluded to this having anything to do with feminism. I have never once stated that women shouldn't wear hijab. I have said that in certain situations, the niqab can be a barrier when dealing with certain people, but in the same sentence I made it quite clear that all women should have the right to wear the hijab and niqab. However, the issue of wearing a hijab is gender related simply because it's women and only women who wear the scarf. I am quite aware that men also have a dress code, but they don't wear scarves, which is what makes this different and specific to women.

I don't see at all how I'm not obeying the rules. First off, this is the News and Current affairs section of the forum, which is where, generally, people are free to give their thoughts on a certain topic. Pretty much everyone else has voiced their opinion - sometimes in a very harsh, and rude way pertaining to the middle sister. So why can't I tell you my opinion? Because it's different than yours? I am not telling people that they shouldn't wear hijab, nor am I telling people that it's not in the Qur'an. I have tried to make it clear through all my statements that I think it is unclear in the Qur'an, and that I personally don't find that part of the Qur'an to be absolutely clear in the English translations that I have read. I have also tried to make it clear that it is clear in the hadith. If I am somehow failing at getting this point across, I apologize, and hopefully people can understand now.

The main point that I was trying to get across is that people making rude comments and bashing her because of her personal choice and because of her opinion, whether right or wrong, should stop because a) it's just not something you should do, especially to a sister and, b) our judgments don't matter. Only Allah's judgment matters, and only Allah can pass final judgment on her, so there's no point in making ourselves look bad by lashing out at her.

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Here are lot of fact and proof.....yet if we dont accept it that its our fault and when its word of god then why do we have to question? even if we know the fact? its like doubting. If she had question abt it she could have searched for it.We can question, but untill we see the explanation.yet if we keep on doing than its like " we take what we like and leave what we dont like, upon our conveniences"

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Islam uplifted the status of women and granted them their just rights 1400 years ago. Islam expects women to maintain their status.


Hijaab for men
People usually only discuss ‘hijaab’ in the context of women. However, in the Glorious Qur’an, Allah (swt) first mentions ‘hijaab’ for men before ‘hijaab’ for the women. The Qur’an mentions in Surah Noor:

"Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do."
[Al-Qur’an 24:30]

The moment a man looks at a woman and if any brazen or unashamed thought comes to his mind, he should lower his gaze.

Hijaab for women.

The next verse of Surah Noor, says:

" And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their sons..."
[Al-Qur’an 24:31]


3. Six criteria for Hijaab.


According to Qur’an and Sunnah there are basically six criteria for observing hijaab:

Extent:

1-The first criterion is the extent of the body that should be covered. This is different for men and women. The extent of covering obligatory on the male is to cover the body at least from the navel to the knees. For women, the extent of covering obligatory is to cover the complete body except the face and the hands upto the wrist. If they wish to, they can cover even these parts of the body. Some scholars of Islam insist that the face and the hands are part of the obligatory extent of ‘hijaab’.

All the remaining five criteria are the same for men and women.

2-The clothes worn should be loose and should not reveal the figure.

3-The clothes worn should not be transparent such that one can see through them.

4-The clothes worn should not be so glamorous as to attract the opposite sex.

5-The clothes worn should not resemble that of the opposite sex.

6-The clothes worn should not resemble that of the unbelievers i.e. they should not wear clothes that are specifically identities or symbols of the unbelievers’ religions.


Hijaab includes conduct and behaviour among other things


Complete ‘hijaab’, besides the six criteria of clothing, also includes the moral conduct, behaviour, attitude and intention of the individual. A person only fulfilling the criteria of ‘hijaab’ of the clothes is observing ‘hijaab’ in a limited sense. ‘Hijaab’ of the clothes should be accompanied by ‘hijaab’ of the eyes, ‘hijaab’ of the heart, ‘hijaab’ of thought and ‘hijaab’ of intention. It also includes the way a person walks, the way a person talks, the way he behaves, etc.


Hijaab prevents molestation


The reason why Hijaab is prescribed for women is mentioned in the Qur’an in the following verses of Surah Al-Ahzab:

"O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad); that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
[Al-Qur’an 33:59]

The Qur’an says that Hijaab has been prescribed for the women so that they are recognized as modest women and this will also prevent them from being molested.


This is taken from Dr. Zakir Naik website www.irf.net he is a very very great scholar whom Ahmad Deedat gave a special degree of "Ahmed Deedat Plus".

[kayleigh]

:salam2:

Again, I am not doubting that the Qur'an is the word of Allah. I am stating that this part is not clear. Just because I don't see it as clear in the Qur'an does not mean I am doubting the word of Allah. I'm only saying I do not find it as clear as a lot of people say it is. I have read those verses countless times and they're not going to change or get any clearer to me at this point in time, or ever - only Allah knows if they will become clear or not at some point. I'm sorry if you take issue with this, but I don't really see why you might since I've said twice that I do think the hadith on it are clear. I don't see how I'm rejecting anything because I find it inconvenient, because I have never stated that hijab shouldn't be worn.

Neither Naik or Deedat are official Islamic scholars, but it doesn't much matter if they're actual Islamic scholars or not since all Islamic scholars are unanimous on this subject and would agree with Naik on it.

I ask that you please not turn this into a debate on whether or not hijab should be worn, since I have never stated that it shouldn't be. Also, please do not make this about trying to convince me to wear hijab. That is my personal choice and if I wear it, I will wear it when I feel I am ready to. Nothing anyone posts here is going to change that fact.

Again, the main point is: It is wrong for anyone to bash the sister and make rude and harsh comments about her. I'm not saying everyone has, I'm saying some people have. There's a different between disagreeing with her and attacking her.

[DOC_BRO]

Asalam O Alaikum,

Sister i am not wanting to convince u to wear hijab, thats not my job or intention. As I said earlier its mandatory but cant be forced and should be left on the persons willingness.I also strongly believe in it, and always say that everything should be done to please Allah.
Hence I never asked my sister to wear it nor my wife they chose on their own will, which is very satisfying instead of forcing the fear to wear.
What I wanted to make clear is that as u say that ur not against wearing hijab MashaAllah, the same way the other sister in the video could have stated that, but instead she told that if we wear than we become "stereotypes and doesnt help out in integrating etc. If she would have thought tht the reason she was brought in the programme is to show the differences between muslim n how they are divided. By figuring that for the sake of unity and brotherhood she should have withheld her personal thought and said what would be helpful for the unity of muslims and that would have raised her respect more in front of Allah and everybody. But yet she choose the constitutional right "the right for freedom of speech". But verily Allah helps those who help themselves and thats true for all of us.

Sorry if it sound like a debate but I donot agree with the sisters statement as I find it very personal and ignorant of what Islam teaches and so did others. And its just those particular statements ONLY dont hate her for that nothing such. But will always be ready to debate with her not to win,convince or loose but just to make her know that no matter how many differences we might have but in front of others we should be united and thats what we muslims lack today. Its like people in one house have differences and fight withing but when some outsider comes they stand shoulder to shoulder to face the challenge regardless of their differences and grudges.

I always stated the word "WE" in all my sentences as I was speaking about all of us muslims in general that we all are the same. I deeply apologise if I had hurt u personaly.
I seek repentance from Almighty Allah from whatever I have done wrong and ask him to forgive me for my mistakes past and present and beg him to show us all the right path InshaAllah...Aameen.

Ma'Salam

The most wonderfull heart, is the heart that fear Allah.
The most beautiful words are The Words of Allah.
The Purest love is The Love for Allah.

[al-fajr]

Salam

wow...that niqaabi sister is just the BEST....:)

the lady in the middle doesnt really get it :rolleyes:

anyway..great vid, jzk for posting.

wasalam

[Muslimah-S]

They all lacked of full knowledge. Even though the hijab and nikab sisters did make some good points, but in my view I think it wasn't effective, nor informative enough. We all should have good knowledge about Islam.
I 100% don't Agree with the middle sister that we should change because the world has changed.
The world should chnge back to what we was supposed to do originally, not the other way around.
Allah doesn't change people conditions we do.
Proud to be a Muslim.:hijabi:

Short term suffer for long time peace!

[jabba]

Salam
I agree with sister Kayleigh with the fact that I too am pretty disappointed with everyones reaction to this. We are so quick to judge and condem based on a 10 min video. We have no idea what kind of sisters these women are out in their everyday life. How do we know the "niqabi sister is the best" or that "the Sister in the middle needs to read more" ??? These are assumptions that have gone way too far. Only Allah (SWT) knows whose a pious Muslim and who isn't. Only Allah (SWT) knows why we cover (social, parents influence or the best reason, for God (SWT) ) Where does it say in the Quran we have the right to judge? the fact is it doesn't and for some reason some Muslims have taken it upon themselves to judge others :astag:

[feeni]

IT WAS A GOOD VIDEO. I DONT THINK ANYONE SHOULD JUDGE ANYONE.NO-ONE IS TALKING ABOUT EVERYDAY LIFE. THE ISSUE IS SOLELY ON NIQAB AND HIJAB. NO-ONE SHOULD HAVE TO MODERNIZE ISLAM.EVERYTHING HAS BEEN WRITTEN. EITHER YOU CAN DENIE IT OR ACCEPT IT.IF A WOMAN DOES NOT EVEN WEAR HIJAB,ITS NOT A BAD THING AT ALL--MAY ALLAH ALSO GIVE THEM COURAGE AS WELL BECAUSE IT IS A BLESSING SISTERS. I JUST STARTED AND ITS GREAT REALLY. TRY IT JUST ONCE AND IT MIGHT JUST PULL U IN:blackhijab:

[alkathiri]

JazakAllah khair

[abdul1601]

wonderful debate may allah guide sonia khan - ameen. wat she argues are rediculous and more materialist. c wants to forget allah just bcoz she lives in canada or western countries. and explanation of hijab in quran is clearly described by prophet (peace be upon him) very clearly.

how do v send these clip to friends..?

*removed*


:salam2:

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a CBC interview regarding the veil and hijab..interview of three muslim women,non-hijabi,hijabi,and niqabi...worth watching.

:wasalam:

[justoneofmillion]

:salam2:i think the title is quite unnappropriate though they could have left the word game to themselves don t like it is my opinion why not then veiling the kaffir woman as a sequel lol inshallah soon now that would be a report as a change for once
:salam2:

jameel

[xohanifaxo]

what is up with the Sonia Khan lady...jeez...(ruining the name of Khan)she has issues....i do not wear a hijab but i totally agree with the fact that women are suppose to wear it...it does say in the quran...that a woman is suppose to cover her head....the lady in the middle needs some education!!
i don't want to be rude but a lot of Pakistanis who are fashionable and they do what they want but there are also Pakistanis that do wht they have to do to cover themselves

[Thor]

Walaikum salaam,

What video are you talking about sister. I am new here, so ignore my ignorance.

:salam2:
I am deaf and wondering does anyone know how to put subtitles or captions on the video? So i'll know what they are saying. or someone cld give me the summary of what is going on and the summaries of what each woman are saying please? Thank you
:wasalam:

[cmelbouzaidi]

:salam2:

Very interesting vide, Jazak Allahu Khair, thanks for sharing. If we were to take votes on who won the "debate" I would say the niqabi or hijabi sisters did. However, I used to feel like Sonia myself in that covering the hair is not mentioned specifically in the Qur'an
but it is easy to use this as an excuse and ignore the sunnah. Anyway, only Allah knows why we do the things we do and He is the final Judge.

Actually, contrary to what Sonia said, for me it is easier since I started wearing hijab to integrate into society and I have a more active role than ever. It is only a barrier for the most closed-minded of people. I hope this will be the same when I move to Paris shortly, Insha Allah.

:wasalam:

[amirah80]

:salam2:

Very good video. My sister in the middle is clueless. It clearly states in Quran women should draw their veils. Obviously she doesnt know the definition of veil which means head covering. Come on it is one thing not to wear it and say that you should but it is another thing to just say it is not in Quran. But anyways the last sister with niqab spoke well and the other sister Sumayyah did too. But I think they were both shocked theirselves by Sonia's remarks. Inshallah Allah let Sonia see the truth for what it is.

I wish one of the sisters would have asked why do nuns cover or ask why Christain biblical movies show women with veils. I would love to hear the host answer that!


Salam
Amirah80

[Al-Kashmiri]

:salam2:

Very interesting vide, Jazak Allahu Khair, thanks for sharing. If we were to take votes on who won the "debate" I would say the niqabi or hijabi sisters did. However, I used to feel like Sonia myself in that covering the hair is not mentioned specifically in the Qur'an
but it is easy to use this as an excuse and ignore the sunnah. Anyway, only Allah knows why we do the things we do and He is the final Judge.

Actually, contrary to what Sonia said, for me it is easier since I started wearing hijab to integrate into society and I have a more active role than ever. It is only a barrier for the most closed-minded of people. I hope this will be the same when I move to Paris shortly, Insha Allah.

:wasalam:

As-salaamu `alaykum.

Actually sister that perception is incorrect. The Qur'aan clearly mentions the covering of the head; all you have to do is read the `Arabic and the meaning becomes (more) obvious. The Pakistani sister is clearly ignorant of the wording of the aayaat pertaining the Muslim women's dress. The lexicon used in the verses (bikhumurihinna; comes from the word khimaar, the "veil" that is drawn down from the head to cover the chest! The word is also used in place of hijaab or scarf) make the meaning pretty clear, the real differing is over whether the niqaab is an obligation or not.

[ousama34]

i m a pakistani and i feel so sorry for the women in the middle. whteve a muslim do is for the solenly sake of ALLAH to please the ALMIGHTY but tht women things covering up urself is barrier between u and the other mankind some one ask her if it doesnt say in the QURAN to wear hijaab to you do wht says in THE QURAN. these non-muslims by making these kinda videos are trying to show the world tht muslims conflict in their belief thus tryin to make ppl run away frm ISLAM they will never show life of ppl reverting to ISlAM or anythin encouraging for muslims
anyway MAY ALLAH HELP AND GUIDE ALL OF US.

[Proud_2b_Muslim]

:salam2:
thanks for sharing , jazak Allah khayran insha`Allah