war????

[podolski11]

salam alaykum

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7782101.stm

[slaveofAllah88]

walaikum salam
I just saw this too like what is India doing and how can pakistani army just believe them as this was inadvertent like they came twice .... i feel like India has some plan going on ... btw brother you are in Pakistan wat is the sitaution there like how is everyone feeling is everyone worried or scared or like wats going on cuz im really worried here
thank u

[AlQurtubi]

Yeah war has started I beleive. I think we must teach these filthy hindus, the lesson now. They are getting out of their skins.

People in Pakistan are too annoyed by current behavior of pakistani government against india. Most of them think that we should fight with them. Things are really tigthening up and Time for preparation has begun.

Pakistan didnt shoot down those as the world would say that pakistan has started the war. India is being backed up by Israel and USA But if they are going to attack, they will see the results inshALLAH.

[podolski11]

walaikum salam
I just saw this too like what is India doing and how can pakistani army just believe them as this was inadvertent like they came twice .... i feel like India has some plan going on ... btw brother you are in Pakistan wat is the sitaution there like how is everyone feeling is everyone worried or scared or like wats going on cuz im really worried here
thank u

scared??....lol uve lived in pakistan u should know better.....i am thinking of making a trench in my house tough so that if a bomb comes i can take cover :p

[slaveofAllah88]

aslam o alikum
lol ... as a muslim im never scared of death of anything cuz worried cuz most of my family is in Pakistan, i wouldn't be sad if i were with them just worried about them ... and im really mad at Pakistani govt too like how long can they delay it ... it is clear that India and US is planning an attack on Pakistan and its bound to happen anytime now ... but the problem is that we Pakistani are proud, strong nation but we cant fight guns with rocks ... Pakistani army might be strong but our goverment is corrupt they are going to be the first one to run and leave everyone behind, and we cant take a plane or rockets down with a rock we need more than that but i wish and i pray that Pakistani govt comes to its senses and knows that we have to be strong, we are not someone's pet
I just wish i could help
aslam o alikum

[AlQurtubi]

I think army should take over and send this zardari off. He is saying that the crossing of borders were a technical fault. Duh!

[slaveofAllah88]

I think army should take over and send this zardari off. He is saying that the crossing of borders were a technical fault. Duh!

:salam2:
DUH!!! DUH!! they just wanted to check wat are they going to be facing ... like mistakes like this dont happen like this

[xSharingan01x]

Yeah war has started I beleive. I think we must teach these filthy hindus, the lesson now. They are getting out of their skins.

People in Pakistan are too annoyed by current behavior of pakistani government against india. Most of them think that we should fight with them. Things are really tigthening up and Time for preparation has begun.

Pakistan didnt shoot down those as the world would say that pakistan has started the war. India is being backed up by Israel and USA But if they are going to attack, they will see the results inshALLAH.

:salam2:

I'm not sure why you would want a war with India, considering India's military is stronger than Pakistan's in almost all respect.
India has more manpower, more war planes, war ships, larger military, better economy, etc... Keep in mind Pakistan already lost 2 wars with India.
Plus it's not like it's Jihad, cowards are going to lead Pakistan.

It's also hard to believe that two nuclear armed state,located next to each other will get involved in a full blown conflict.

:wasalam:

[slaveofAllah88]

:salam2:

I'm not sure why you would want a war with India, considering India's military is stronger than Pakistan's in almost all respect.
India has more manpower, more war planes, war ships, larger military, better economy, etc... Keep in mind Pakistan already lost 2 wars with India.
Plus it's not like it's Jihad, cowards are going to lead Pakistan.

It's also hard to believe that two nuclear armed state,located next to each other will get involved in a full blown conflict.

:wasalam:

:salam2:
lol first of all India's military is not stronger all teh things u said are wrong, Pak won 2 war 1965 and Kargil (india complaint later and got the land back thru US but Pak won the war) ... its Jihad cuz Pakistani's are defending their country how can you say its not Islam gives us all rights to defend our country and freedom ... and NO how can cowards lead Pakistan ... cowards will be Indians who fight cuz its their job Pakistani army fights for Allah (swt) only Allah
sorry bro/sis you view disappointed me cuz im not sure if you noticed but Pakistan has never started a war we have always defended ourselves and NO OTHER muslim nation has ever helped!!
:salam2:

[podolski11]

:salam2:

I'm not sure why you would want a war with India, considering India's military is stronger than Pakistan's in almost all respect.
India has more manpower, more war planes, war ships, larger military, better economy, etc... Keep in mind Pakistan already lost 2 wars with India.
Plus it's not like it's Jihad, cowards are going to lead Pakistan.

It's also hard to believe that two nuclear armed state,located next to each other will get involved in a full blown conflict.

:wasalam:

military strength doesnt matter anymore cause its all a matter of buttons now!....first one drops the nukes wins.....however if pakistan drops the nukes first they only survive not win.........

[AlQurtubi]

I totally disagree with you brother xSharingan01x. Just forget about the comparison between armies. We have always been behind from kuffar but still have won.
Just for you, in Kargill war which happend in 1999, only 5 pakistani soldier were fighting at hill top and enemy was thinking that there are 250 soldiers.

As for Jihad, ALLAH knows better. But we would fight for our sister and mothers and the old men.

[AlQurtubi]

oh yeha! zardari the coward is leading pakistan :)

[slaveofAllah88]

oh yeha! zardari the coward is leading pakistan :)

lol yea zardari is coward but Pakistani's are not :) Muslim soldiers are led by Allah (swt) and their imaan not by some individual

[slaveofAllah88]

aslam o alikum
and im pretty sure bro/sis xSharingan01x you have realized how ur answer effected us Pakistani :)

[AlQurtubi]

"and im pretty sure bro/sis xSharingan01x you have realized how ur answer effected us Pakistani"

Sheesh! this thread is getting into nationalism.. lol
There can be no jihad where taliban are living according to TTI :D

[xSharingan01x]

:salam2:

I never claimed Pakistan started a war, not sure where you got that one from.

I'm talking about the war after independence and the war of 1971 concerning Bangladesh.
Both wars Pakistan lost, unless you want me to believe all the reports concerning both wars are just lies and in reality Pakistan won?
I don't consider Kargill to be an actual war, it was more like an escalated 'skirmish' that two hostile power practice time to time.

And the other war that Pakistan has reasonable reasons for claiming a victory is 1965, in terms of the purpose of the war Pakistan did gain some lands but not as a booty in war rather the land was awarded after diplomatic negotiations by the British Government, following the peace treaty at Tashkent.

I wasn't talking about the actual Pakistani fighter rather the civilian leadership. If they are not stooges and cowards, what are they? It's very sad to see people march in the street carrying their posters and all. Sad...They look like fools.


In terms of military power, I have not come across any defense analyst piece that state other wise. Most of them being American research institute, defense magazine, etc etc....

Quick numbers:
Indian Armed forces: 1,100,000
Pakistan Armed Forces: 550,000

India's Combat Air crafts: 738
Pakistan's Combat Air crafts: 353

India's Nuclear Missiles: 60+ (I believe the latest study place it at 80+)
Pakistan's Nuclear Missiles: 25+ (latest estimate is at 60+)

India's Surface warships: 27
Pakistan's Surface Warships: 8

India's Submarines: 16
Pakistan's Submarines: 10

India's military expenditure: (2001) $15.9 billion
Pakistan's military expenditure: (2001) $2.6 billion

Numbers taken from Center For Strategic Studies


keep in mind: India gets most of its weapons from Russia while Pakistan gets them from China

[podolski11]

like i said military strength doesnt matter anymore...1st one drops the nukes decides the war

[slaveofAllah88]

aslam o alikum
i think i rather not say anything else :) gotto agree with podolski11 lol but my other bro :) islam tells us to fight for Allah and when ur fighting for Allah u dont base ur strength on weapons but help from Allah :)

[ousama34]

i would just lyk to clear some points or i would rather say mis conceptions tht brother shringhan01 has concerning
1965war, in 1965 india attacked pakistan border just for the sake of gaining some land tht during partition came to pakistan and they end up, running back to their land and couldnt got hold of single inch and they were beaten quite badly but again bcoz of our leaders pakistan lost the war on the table but won it in the feild, and tht was enough for indians to hype abt their false win which they never had
i can imagine how things would hav get down in history books as british gov stepd in and india got cance to twist the truth yet again
as far as statistic concern i hav no prb accepting tht it can be tru after all indians are 1.2 billion nd hav stronger economy

[slaveofAllah88]

i would just lyk to clear some points or i would rather say mis conceptions tht brother shringhan01 has concerning
1965war, in 1965 india attacked pakistan border just for the sake of gaining some land tht during partition came to pakistan and they end up, running back to their land and couldnt got hold of single inch and they were beaten quite badly but again bcoz of our leaders pakistan lost the war on the table but won it in the feild, and tht was enough for indians to hype abt their false win which they never had
i can imagine how things would hav get down in history books as british gov stepd in and india got cance to twist the truth yet again
as far as statistic concern i hav no prb accepting tht it can be tru after all indians are 1.2 billion nd hav stronger economy

:salam2:
EXACTLY!! ... India always manipulates the truth or wins politically cuz we muslims are not strong, US, british, Isreal they always help Pakistan and i have never seen a muslim country to step in anyhow inshallah Allah will unite all muslims soon
Kargil war too ... Pakistan won on Field but always the truth is manipulated ...

[al-fajr]

Edit:

nothing..:D

[xSharingan01x]

i would just lyk to clear some points or i would rather say mis conceptions tht brother shringhan01 has concerning
1965war, in 1965 india attacked pakistan border just for the sake of gaining some land tht during partition came to pakistan and they end up, running back to their land and couldnt got hold of single inch and they were beaten quite badly but again bcoz of our leaders pakistan lost the war on the table but won it in the feild, and tht was enough for indians to hype abt their false win which they never had
i can imagine how things would hav get down in history books as british gov stepd in and india got cance to twist the truth yet again
as far as statistic concern i hav no prb accepting tht it can be tru after all indians are 1.2 billion nd hav stronger economy

:salam2:
Thanks for clarifying, and Yes I know that, but IMO the actual conflict goes back to Pakistan infiltrating into Indian Occupied Kashmir in order to encourage uprising against India. The plan then would be a quick military campaign against Indian military in the vicinity and gain control of Kashmir and other desired lands, because Pakistani military (rightly so) believed Indian military was not capable of deterring a Pakistani ground invasion.
So this is what I learned from my readings.

If the above is true then the Indian preemptive attack make sense (not that i justified, speaking strictly from an academic perspective).

Allahu Alam, how much truth there is to it.

lol, Brother Podoskli,
If victory is guaranteed to the 'one who drops the bomb first', then there would be no need to have a huge nuclear arsenal and also

'NO, first strike policy'. China and India both have no first strike policy.

There would be no reason for nuclear state to have mobile launch pad, under ground launch pad, sub marine based ICBM, etc etc..Much of these preparations are done to launch a nuclear weapon after being hit by one.

I can go on and on about it, but you get the picture.

Yes, I do agree with you if it's Jihad then numbers will not decide victory nor will superior weapons. This is evident if one studies the conquest led by the Sahaba (RA's).
But, the problem is the likes of Zardari and Musharaf are light years away from resembling the Sahabas in any way or form whatsoever. What kind of Jihad would they be fighting? lol
If anything, one can safely assume their intention will not be for Islam, nor will it be for Allah's cause, rather they will be fighting a political war as political actors.

P.S. What's up with all these Pakistani brothers, getting all worked up with my comments? lol Relax. I love you guys too.

P.P.S. Brother, AL FAJR, NOW I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT YOU TYPED!

P.P.P.S. Historically, United States supported Pakistan and has been its ally (of course for their own interest, mainly the cold war, actually one can argue only because of the cold war). Russia has been India's Ally. China has been Pakistan's ally due to tensions/ regional rivalry with India.

It seems though the growing closeness of India and Israel is a recent phenomena, probably from the 80s, and it's really scary!


:wasalam:

[Hasana jafreen]

:salam2:
brothers n sisters.i am an indian n pray allah that tis war should never happen.it is not that which country is more powerful we should always think the life of ppl we are going to miss in this war.life is precious we need not waste it in this war.let peace remain in both our country.allah swt will help his ppl.

[al-fajr]

Edit: Im really sorry people I forget how such discussions are really no good for my temper - please excuse me.

I have nothing serious to contribute, youre missing nothing :)

please continue.

[podolski11]

:salam2:

lol, Brother Podoskli,
If victory is guaranteed to the 'one who drops the bomb first', then there would be no need to have a huge nuclear arsenal and also

'NO, first strike policy'. China and India both have no first strike policy.

There would be no reason for nuclear state to have mobile launch pad, under ground launch pad, sub marine based ICBM, etc etc..Much of these preparations are done to launch a nuclear weapon after being hit by one.

:wasalam:

china and india no first strike policy???........like yeah rite ill believe that jz like the US......the army is jz a formality now to keep the public under control if something happens....its all bout the nuclear and hydrogen bombs now....the huge nuclear arsenal is jz to show their power to the world......the submarines are for sea purposes......the enemy can attack from the sea also and also from the skies..........but this is between pakistanis and indians not between muslims as i c it.........so even if war breaks out u can count me out cause we aint fighting for Islam and i am so not fighting to keep zardari in power....


jz look at zardari on the link...such a douchebag
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkFnaFyylQ8&feature=related

[AlQurtubi]

brother podolski, the fight for pakistan will be the fight for islam as this land was taken on the basis of islam, doesnt matter if we are unable to implement shria on it. We CAN implement shria in it. This is the definition of Islamic land. You CANT implement shria in US or UK etc. There are hell lot of people acting on islam in pakistan, too many sister observing hijab etc etc. Enemy wont let us go brother once it captures this land. Read what happened in spain, read what happened in baghdad.

I dont know whether it will be jihad or not but these hindus deserve to be taught a lesson for now and forever. I am going to write a post about hadiths regarding indo-pak.

[slaveofAllah88]

aslam o alikum
First of all let me remind my muslim brothers Pakistan or India or any country always remember you are a muslim and Islam is a religion of peace ... Muslims are only allowed to defend and if india attacks Pakistan than its attacking an Islamic country and i think all muslims should protect their muslims bro and sis ... If we fight we fight for Allah (swt) not any stupid zardari ... we shud always remember ... if you fight for Islam its Jihad and its the only reason you should fight
thats it
aslam o alikum

[AlQurtubi]

For brother XsharinganX, Dr. Allama Iqbal has said that

Nazar ALLAH pay rakhta hay muslaman Ghaioor
Maut kia shay hay, Faqat Alam-e-Maani ka safar

In shaheedon ki diat ehle-e-Kalisa say na mang
Qadr-o-Qeemat main hain khoon jin ka haram say barh ker

(muslim always looks towards ALLAH for help, Death is just a journey to real world
Dont ask about blood of martyrs from kuffar, their blood has more value than Ka'aba
)