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chimusocute
10-15-2008, 06:07 AM
Asslam Walekum,

Hello frnds...i m a hindu from india...and have muslim boyfriend....but he want me to a muslim b4 i get married...for this my parents are against of it...but i want to get married to him....where ever i try to speak abt my conversion to islam in front of my mom....she explains to me everything written in Bhagvatgita(Hindu holy book)...and explains to me abt the great heros in Mahabharata(Hindu Epic)....at tht time i feel i shouldnt convert....but when i think abt my boyfriend ...i desperatly want to be with him

Please help....as i cant live without both of them(neither without my parents nor with my boyfriend)
Regards
Chimu

Raihan
10-15-2008, 06:31 AM
Hello Chimu,

Welcome to TTI! You should not convert to Islam just for the sake of your boy friend. However, I would suggest you to study the Qur'an and the life of Prophet Muhammad (P), and then you will realize that Islam is the only true religion of God. Gita is not the word of God. It was written by some human in the name of Krishna. Krishna is not the Creator of the universe either. He was a human like you and me! So, think about Islam before your conversion .... Wish you all the best.

justoneofmillion
10-15-2008, 07:18 AM
welcome to TTi,here is one of the things i would suggest to you to begin with .have a look this is an encounter between DR zakir Naik and Sri Sri ravi shankar.

You can not revert because of your friend.If then you should fully be aware of what you are doing ,for that i would advice you to search a little deeper into islam ,am talking to you as a human being first,and telling you that this is truly the word of God(the Quraan)not because i was born in a Muslim family ,not because of a reactionary emotional response,or because i like to believe that what i believe is the true for everybody.

But through a deep analysis,a little study of religions as a whole and the little experience of life that brings the whole picture to shine on the practical and logical dimension.
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Proof after proof makes the evidence simply irrefutable,you will discover that the more you dedicate your time to study ,ask and search about Islam from Muslims themselves inshallah.

There are people from all corners of the world becoming Muslims despite of the bad image and the lies that the medias,news papers,F16,tanks and whatever else they may be investing on to make profit and create enmity between god s people.Islam is the fastest growing "religion" in the world !have you ever asked yourself why???... Well Because there is a natural inclination of human beings towards the truth,towards beauty towards,purity and goodness.And this inclination is too strong to be under the shade of anything else than the light of the one that has put it there in the first place,the creator,yes your god an my god,the originator,the one and only supreme being.

This reminds me of one verse of the Quraan that says.

"They want to extinguish Allah's Light with their mouths but Allah will perfect His Light, though the unbelievers hate it. "(Qur'an 61: 7-8) ...

If you have further questions keep em coming ,don t hesitate inshallah the brothers and sisters will be honored to provide you answers, feel at home,welcome again
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Ya llah bahut bahut
jameel

Basicofislam
10-15-2008, 07:31 AM
:salam2: sister. I know it is wrong to tell somebody not to convert. But in my opinion if you are doing it just to please this boy and marry him please dont ruin his life and yours. But if you believe that islam is the true religion then you should convert. You should see Zakir naiks youtube videos. maybe he can tell you about islam and hinduism better then us

a_stranger
10-15-2008, 08:31 AM
Peace friend:
Islam teaches us how to be sincere to our creator , Islam teaches how to direct hearts to the one and only creator :

17:67 When distress seizes you at sea, those that ye call upon - besides Himself - leave you in the lurch! but when He brings you back safe to land, ye turn away (from Him). Most ungrateful is man!
Quran

Basicofislam
10-15-2008, 08:34 AM
:salam2:
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chimusocute
10-15-2008, 08:51 AM
my concern is i dont want to hurt my parents...they know me very well....for me my parents r my God...and i really respect their feeling....each n every pharse of bhagvatgita is in my mind....in Bhagvatgita....lord krishna said to his follower...tht truth is the only religion,.....be faithfull to urself....and pray with clean heart....god will listen to u.....but it will not matter if have a definate disguise or how many time in day u pray...wht is important is ur true love towards mankind...

cmelbouzaidi
10-15-2008, 09:10 AM
dear sister in india, islam teaches love and respect for humanity but worship of the Creator alone, that we call Allah. It is true that one has to have the right heart condition for prayers to be accepted by the Almighty. In Islam, we pray five times a day and before we pray we make an ablution which washes the negativity off our body and prepares us spiritually to turn to the Almighty creator, the only one we worship and pray to. I would encourage you to read Qur'an and you will see there is no Truth other than the words of the Creator himself. He alone knows all things.

fahad96
10-15-2008, 09:26 AM
You should not convert to Islam just for the sake of your boy friend, then this it is against of Islamic religion and belief
Is just to please your self and not sincere love

chimusocute
10-15-2008, 10:02 AM
frankly speaking i love him as a person....nothing else....

chimusocute
10-15-2008, 10:04 AM
how dare u can insult my emotion for love....how can u say tht my love is not sincere just because still deep inside i m hindu....

a_stranger
10-15-2008, 10:11 AM
Peace
Islam teaches that our creator revealed his message to many prophets through times, Islam teaches us who is our creator and what is his high noble attributes, Islam is very clear and pure .......No heart can be pure while ignorant of his creator, no heart can be sincere making partners with our one and only creator. Islam takes humanity out of darkness to light of Allah.

cmelbouzaidi
10-15-2008, 10:15 AM
i think sometimes there is a language barrier, sister, so i hope you do not take the brother's remark as an insult:) i think what is important to note as someone had mentioned earlier, is that we should not become muslim to please another person. might i ask if you have been around your friend's family at all and from what you have seen of islam where you live, is there anything that draws you towards wanting to learn more, your friend aside? i wish you the very best, dear friend. i am a revert to islam and i do not know much about the hindu faith but if you need to send a private message to a sister who came to islam in adulthood, be my guest :)

a_stranger
10-15-2008, 10:26 AM
Dear chimusocute
I apologize if any comment hurts your feeling, but we want you to love your creator with all your heart,this what Islam taught us .....when love of the creator full a heart then life will have a very beautiful meaning. I think when our creator guide anyone to Islam this is out of love and mercy toward that person.

justoneofmillion
10-15-2008, 10:48 AM
how dare u can insult my emotion for love....how can u say tht my love is not sincere just because still deep inside i m hindu....HI,watch this ,think...
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jameel

chimusocute
10-15-2008, 11:09 AM
how can u say tht my love is not sincere...just because deep inside i m still A HINDU!!!

Umm Ismael
10-15-2008, 11:11 AM
Asselemou Alaikum,

you will convert by Allah Will, when you will open your heart and ask yourself if this guy wouldnt exist and if my mother wouldnt exist.. to whom i will return..

open your heart to this meaning of life..with a sincere heart..

wish you all the best
Hajer

justoneofmillion
10-15-2008, 11:24 AM
how can u say tht my love is not sincere...just because deep inside i m still A HINDU!!!:salam2:I did not say that!i just proposed to you to try and see things on the broader perspective,dont know what is in your heart as only god can hear the heart he has provided you with.Dont rely much on people to understand show them the compassion by understanding that we are all somehow limited.Love is love it is not Hindu love or African love ,so is justice,it is the same for the poor as it is for the rich and so is God neither a Hindu god nor a cyberian god or an African God,God is God and he is not selective in extending his mercy. Did you watch the vids i gave you dear friend:)

kashif_nazeer
10-15-2008, 03:13 PM
wa alaykumassalaam,
I guess you should do what your heart tells you,becuase as brother said God is one and not selective in extending his mercy,He is the Most Merciful of all those who show mercy.By the way we call it reversion because we believ that the human being is born in the state of purity ie al-fitrah,it is his parents that convert him to Christianity,Judaism,Magnaism,Hinduism.True nature of human being is pure so when you embrace Islam you are actually revturning to that state of purity,so its reversion.BTW if you are in India near Lucknow and wish to gain more knowledge on Islam ,there is a public talk by Dr Zakir Naik being held in Lucknow on 2nd of november ,you can attend it and ask your questions there as well.Its being held at Lucknow in mini stadium ,Vikas Nagar area ,ring road (Khurram Nagar),on 2nd November.
:wasalam:

lily_mawar
10-15-2008, 03:54 PM
Hello Chim ...

Welcome to TTI world ... May I ask you something, you wish to convert to islam because of your man, don't you ...? I would advise you to study about Islam first because if you convert Islam just because of your man, how about if anything happen with your relationship, would you leave Islam ...?

munira02
10-15-2008, 05:07 PM
dear sister you should not convert to islam for the sake of your boyfriend..... read books and do research about islam then you will know what to do. :tti_sister:

Munawar
10-15-2008, 06:18 PM
:salam2:
If a person convert to Islam and say Shahadah, it doesn't matter what was the motivation or main reason for the conversion, that person then becomes elligible to go to Paradise eventually as compared to staying in Hell forever.

So one should NOT utter these words like "you shouldn't convert" or "You can not revert because of your friend" etc.

We need to be careful when we post these things and specially when we are communicating with a girl who is a Hindu and has no idea what Islam is or isn't, and she is asking "How will I convert?"

To my Hindu sister chimusocute:

Sister the Bhagvatgita is not the main books of the Hindus, the main scriptures are Vedas and Puranas. The old Hindu scriptures say that God is One. That you shouldn't make any image of him or make any status of him, MahaBharata or Gita were new additions in the Hindu scriptures and in my opinion are mostly stories and are not dependable.

The best reply is from brother Dr. ayman1

Why don't you verify that claim yourself? Study the Bhagvatgita and study the Quran then conclude for yourself which is the teaching that you believe. Religion is not a tradition, a culture or a heritage. You are a free human being who can and should make all her decisions herself. There is no cosmic law that says you have to follow your parents, community or culture. Follow your heart and mind.

In India you can see "Peace TV" on cable, so look for "Peace TV" on the cable and watch it if you can. But most importantly spend some time in studing Quran and you will see the truth yourself.
:wasalam:

justoneofmillion
10-15-2008, 06:36 PM
:salam2:[QUOTE]
So one should NOT utter these words like.You can not revert because of your friend" etc.salaam,With all due respect you are very wrong akhi!you should also not quote the sentence out of context and make people intend what they did not!go take a look at what happened to families to which becoming Muslim was only meant for the sake of first days love euphoria and being together, the euphoria slows down after sometime if the faith doesn t bind, am sure you know what am talking about,go check what happens to the children afterward,we have thousands of them lost to kuffr...this can turn out to be very dramatic,destroying whole lives of sacrifices that is why we have to be wiser and take all the considerations and factors involved into account before uttering such categorical statements. If one becomes Muslims he must be completely conscious of what he is doing ,words are nothing if the heart doesn t follow.All your other suggestions should be beneficial inshallah,Peace TV is great.



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:wasalam:
jameel

Munawar
10-15-2008, 07:33 PM
:salam2:
Brother justoneofmillion I never said anything about you. I said we need to be careful in making statements which start like this. This is not encouraging and is not courteous to those who are asking questions.
A better way of saying this would be something like: "Sister a Muslim is by heart and not by some technicality of saying some key words. So please read Quran and study Islam and you will yourself feel to become Muslim".

go take a look at what happened to families to which becoming Muslim was only meant for the sake of first days love euphoria and being together, the euphoria slows down after sometime, am sure you know what am talking about,go check what happens to the children afterward,we have thousands of them lost to kuffr...
Mostly (over 90%) of times this happened when a Muslim man married to a Christian/Jew woman in a non-Muslim country and then they got separated later. But these women didn't have to become Muslim to marry on the first place, so this theory doesn't apply. And it is mostly the fault of the man who was careless about his religion and family.

All I am saying that we need to be careful that we do not turn people off.

If one becomes Muslims he must be completely conscious of what he is doing ,words are nothing if the heart doesn t follow.
I totally agree. There cannot be two opinions about it.

I am sorry if I offended anyone.
:wasalam:

justoneofmillion
10-15-2008, 08:22 PM
:salam2:
Brother justoneofmillion I never said anything about you. I said we need to be careful in making statements which start like this. This is not encouraging and is not courteous to those who are asking questions.
A better way of saying this would be something like: "Sister a Muslim is by heart and not by some technicality of saying some key words. So please read Quran and study Islam and you will yourself feel to become Muslim". salaam i dont see anything disrespectful in what i said,i think you are giving more privilege to the form over the meaning ,although i dont believe that it needed such a categorical opposition,if put in the right context it smoothens itself quite a bit.Coffee is bitter without sugar you re right but it still keeps one awake,zina is no joke beloved brother... thanks for reminding me and all of us.jazakhallahu khair.


But these women didn't have to become Muslim to marry on the first place, so this theory doesn't apply. Not necessarily true, a lot did become Muslims to be introduced to the parents and are still becoming Muslims today,or they say they would become,please bear in mind that christian and Jew nowadays is generally something completely different to what it used to be then, under secular societies and the hype of consumerism we have totally different circumstances,oftentimes for Muslim parents marrying a modern day christian or a Jewish woman is a no go !If the woman doesn t become Muslim.You d say it s cultural yes it is,but i think that is one area where culture doesn t really contradict the context we are living in islamicaly(am open to correction).So it did not happen only for women that did not revert.But even then akhi a woman who doesn t believe with understanding why she reverted is as if she did not revert at all which turns the whole situation to be potentially in the same category of those 90% you mentioned .


I totally agree. There cannot be two opinions about it.
Then you must have added my thought to somebody elses post and put all your eggs in the same basket:lol:


I am sorry if I offended anyone.NO need for that my brother it is just a matter of concepts.love you for the sake of allah swt.I think it s time to return the priority to the seeker at this point inshallah.

wassalaam
respectfully
jameel




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isaraswaty
10-15-2008, 09:51 PM
Dear Chimu,...

I can understand how you feel. Feeling like you can't live without your parents neither your boyfriend. But I think it's a very wrong decision to convert if it's only based on love and want to please your boyfriend. I am not a moslem either, am a christian and am still learning about Islam. And up to now, what I can say about Islam is a beautiful religion. But you have to experience it yourself.

I think, when you finally decided to convert to Islam, you have already learned about it and found the beautiful things in it. Please convert because you love Allah, because you believe, have a faith that Mohammad swt is His prophet, because you are willing to obey and live in the path of Islam. Please don't make an impulsive decision because of you wanna get marry with this moslem man, ok :)

Well, enough bla bla bla from me I guess... I wish you all the strength.

May peace be with you...

FarhanaPalarca
10-16-2008, 12:14 AM
Assalamualaikum to IIT member and visitors:

To Sis CHimusocute:
Sis I've been in your situation before i came to Islam. My mother and some of my relatives are against on my revertion in Islam because they said Islam is blah blah blah ( bad images because of the people dont have enough knowledge on Islam). But I make i decision to revert in Islam in order to be with the man i Love ( my husband ) without even think that my relatives will hate me for the desicion i make... But i said to myself, I am old enough to make a desicion for myself and to choose what i want to be and to whom i want to be with and share my life till to my last breath. And Alhamdullillah I revert to Islam on the day of our wedding. I make my shahadah on friday after the Juma'ah and we've got married in the afternoon that day.
Sis chim, it depend on you and your husband how to use Islam and be a good slave/follower of God.If your husband is a practicing muslim, i will tell you if u convert to Islam without any knowledge on Islam and then if your husband will show you slowly by slowly what Islam really is and teach you the aspect of Islam....by that time sis chim,u will eager and thirst to learn more about Islam and after that you'll love the way you are after knowing the truth.
Sis this is what I am now... Thanks to Allah swt for giving me the person who show me the path and bring me near to God, Almighty. And now, were both continuing studying about Islam... Every Friday we attend a Islamic class with different subjects. And Alhamdullillah, Alhamdullillah i know now how to read a arabic Qur'an (slowly) hehehehe...
If you want to convert....Go on....but not just convert and said the shahada with out applying it to urself... After u convert inshallah search and search and keep on reading about Islam.most esp the Qur'an. because in Islam knowledge is Unstopable and learning to no ending!!!

Ibnu Ismail
10-16-2008, 01:24 AM
ASSALAMUALIKUM,

If I right, there is a story of Prophet Muhammad in the VEDA(THE BOOK OF HINDU). Muhammad as the last messenger. I suggest you to study this. Because, ISLAM is the right way...

p/s: Sorry, my ENGLISH is not very good :D

a_stranger
10-16-2008, 02:49 AM
http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/prophhs.html#mahamad

chimusocute
10-16-2008, 06:29 AM
but i m already very very close to god....i dont think there shd be a right time or place to pray...but wht is important....is u pray from bottom of heart....i really pray...till i cry....saying god u r grt....and i love him....
i do fast in our festival..and offer food...i do the same thing wht u do...u r telling me to learn islam to be near to god but i m already near to god....i did not need to change my religion just to showoff tht i m religious by covering myself..,and praying 5 times a day.....
U say god is one...ya so y r u telling to convert....its u only grouping the people by saying these qoutes......so let me worship my God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

muslimah-2k8
10-16-2008, 06:47 AM
What we muslims say to you is RESEARCH..

Because 'blind belief' is 'no belief'

whats the point in regretting in the hereafter..

you won't get a second chance... just this life only.....

if you do an unbiased search, you will find that ISLAM is the TRUTH...

Nichole
10-16-2008, 06:56 AM
Hello,

Please consider this verse of the Qu'ran:

"Do they not see that if there were many gods the universe would be in disarray."

There cannot be many Gods as the Hindu religion claims. There must be only One Creator as you can see, there is constant arguing and problems in governments because each person in power has different opinions. Yes, they do often times make it work but running the universe and creation is much more complicated.


There is only One God. The Creator and Sustainer. We must worship only Him alone. He created us and owns us and so He can tell us how to worship Him. It's not up to us.

Allah tells us in the Qu'ran that you must worship Him alone. The similitude of someone who worships other than Allah is like if a master buys a slave and tells the slave to work and the slave gives the harvest to someone else.

Allah tells us that the only religion He will accept is Islam. Of course you can choose not to follow it but worship is not accepted if it's not according to Islam.

Nichole

IbnAdam77
10-16-2008, 07:27 AM
but i m already very very close to god....i dont think there shd be a right time or place to pray...but wht is important....is u pray from bottom of heart....i really pray...till i cry....saying god u r grt....and i love him....
i do fast in our festival..and offer food...i do the same thing wht u do...u r telling me to learn islam to be near to god but i m already near to god....i did not need to change my religion just to showoff tht i m religious by covering myself..,and praying 5 times a day.....
U say god is one...ya so y r u telling to convert....its u only grouping the people by saying these qoutes......so let me worship my God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hello my respected Chimusocute...

Truly, by reading your posts, I know you are a girl who loves and prays to the God. There are no different Gods as you will know. Since the human era began, ALLAH (swt) (god) has sent different messengers to teach them the True religion. Human changed scripts and the Sharia (way to live). So as the last prophet, Muhammad (saw) is sent to the world with a perfect Sharia which cannot be canged until Aakhirah (the last day). Quran is sent as the last book and HE (swt) has mentioned in it that HE (swt) will protect it until Aakhirah (the last day).

As per Islam and Hinduism, they have many similarities. It is mentioned in the scripts of Hinduism that a last prophet will be sent, the name of last prophet (saw), the five pillars of Islam, the six pillars of Iiman (belief), Sujood (prostration) (commonly used for prayer), women to cover their body etc etc.

Respected Cimsocute, please try to find the reality of the above mentioned similarities by asking a good Pandit (sorry if this is not the correct word).

We believe there is only one God and I think you too. So it is not agreeing with commonsense if we say God has sent many Sharias (ways to live) in a particular one time. We know that there will not be any more messengers after Muhammad (saw). So it is up to us to find the last and the final way of life by looking for the differences and similarities of different religions. The only reason we need to be in Islam is because ALLAH (swt) (god) says in HIS last book (Quran) that no religion except Islam is accepted by HIM.

So my humble advice is to find a translation of Quran in your language and try to read little by little. You will inshaALLAH (with the will of ALLAH ) know the truth.

Dear Chimsocute, there will come a day where we will not have any help from our parents, friends and loving persons. So please try to find the truth and please do not hesitate to ask ANY questions that may arise.

I am not a scholar but I hope my humble words will help you. Hope to see you on the right path and may ALLAH (God) guide you.

Have a wonderful day.

-brother IbnAdam-

sajjuaiah
10-16-2008, 07:38 AM
but i m already very very close to god....i dont think there shd be a right time or place to pray...but wht is important....is u pray from bottom of heart....i really pray...till i cry....saying god u r grt....and i love him....
i do fast in our festival..and offer food...i do the same thing wht u do...u r telling me to learn islam to be near to god but i m already near to god....i did not need to change my religion just to showoff tht i m religious by covering myself..,and praying 5 times a day.....
U say god is one...ya so y r u telling to convert....its u only grouping the people by saying these qoutes......so let me worship my God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sister, what ever comes to your mind you think it is right.
before you judge something be neutral.

1. you are saying you are very close to GOD, how about if he is not close to you?

When you are in need of money or important help where will you go to ask? Do you go to your father or you go to your father's friend?

let's see your father has money and still you ask your father's friend for money or help without your father's knowledge.

"DOES YOUR FATHER FEEL GOOD"

Frankly speaking if my father he will kick me / slap me so i may not repeat next.

The moral is : YOU CANNOT ASK SOME OTHER DUMMY GODS BESIDE TRUE GOD HE HAS EVERYTHING TO GIVE YOU SO WHY YOU NEED YOUR MAN MADE GODS?

That's why TTI is requesting you to read quran.

Even your scriptures agree not to have man made gods/images. to worship?
Even your scriptures agree to pray only one god.
So why are you worshipping some fake gods who even cannot move from one place to another.

I request you to please watch Dr. Zaikir naik videos about similarites between Hindusim and Islam.

You are giving them food, are they eating? ofcourse NOOOOOOOOOO.
God dosent need someone to offer him food.

What does all this mean?

Why you need monkey as god?
Why you need snake as God?
Why you need Lingam as God?
Why you need Elephant as God?
So many Why Why Why?

You want your boyfriend to be happy with you please read and tell him iam reading quran and tell him you want to know more about islam.

Then inshallah everything will be ok.

Please read this quotation from Quran:

Surely, the religion (i.e. the worship and the obedience) is for Allâh only. And those who take Auliyâ' (protectors and helpers) besides Him (say): "We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allâh." Verily, Allâh will judge between them concerning that wherein they differ. Truly, Allâh guides not him who is a liar, and a disbeliever. Chapter: Az-Zumar (39) Verse #: 3

“Verily, Allah will never change the condition of a people until they change what is within themselves” (Qur’an13:11)

“And when My slaves ask you (O Muhammad) concerning Me, then (answer them), I am indeed near (to them by My Knowledge). I respond to the invocations of the supplicant when he calls on Me (without any mediator or intercessor). So let them obey Me and believe in Me, so that they may be led aright”
[al-Baqarah 2:186]

a_stranger
10-16-2008, 08:19 AM
but i m already very very close to god....i dont think there shd be a right time or place to pray...but wht is important....is u pray from bottom of heart....i really pray...till i cry....saying god u r grt....and i love him....
i do fast in our festival..and offer food...i do the same thing wht u do...u r telling me to learn islam to be near to god but i m already near to god....i did not need to change my religion just to showoff tht i m religious by covering myself..,and praying 5 times a day.....
U say god is one...ya so y r u telling to convert....its u only grouping the people by saying these qoutes......so let me worship my God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dear chim please tell me who is your God, (For sure we all creatures were created by one creator his signs are very clear all around) God knows what is within our hearts ...and knows exactly what we think ...so .....we need to be honest with ourselves Who is God our creator?

chimusocute
10-16-2008, 08:30 AM
FOR YOY INFORMATION
I have gone thru all the debate of ur so Called Dr. Zakir Naik.....i can alone stand against him n asnwer all this questions...(But sorry i dont have tht poker mask like how ur Dr. Naik got).and 1 more thing in the videos shown on net it is cut version...it doesnt show the speech of Sri Sri Ravi Shankar...

Hinduism is the first practised in whole world....since 3000 yrs bc....tht means its 5000 yrs old....during tht time there was no other religion.....tht period was called brahma lok....were Lord Bramha made this universe and later on produced other Demi god like...Varuna(Rain God)....Goddess Laxmi(Money)....Shani Devta(Trouble).and many others....but all together the ultimate god is 111111111111!!!!!!!!!!!! (Happy)
This how our god send messenger...

v belive in messenger of god as well.....coz as the word says messenger..he will convey our messege to god....so whts wrong in tht....

And the example which u gave abt father n son.....its absolute vauge.....meaningless...for me n my religion wht is imp ...is worship n devotion so wht if pary to Ganpati (Elephant Head)
Lord Shankar (Snake)
Hanuman(Monkey)
Jatayu(eagle) etc...

Coz 5000 yrs ago....God use to be there on earth...to help people....when ever they need them....

kashif_nazeer
10-16-2008, 08:59 AM
Oh ok so now that you have watched all the debates of Dr Zakir Naik you must be knowing quite a bit about Islam,(btw Sri Sri Ravishankar's speech is also on the net along with Dr Zakir Naik's and if you want them,then you can visit any IRF locations).Still if you have any questions regarding Islam you can get the answers from sites like this.Well anyways just a simple question that I'd like to ask you is:
As you had posted earlier and the topic of this thread is How will I convert?
The topic is related to Islam,have you ever read the Qur'an as a whole?
If not I'd suggets you to read it once.By the way Hinduism is an old religion,agreed,but is it a religion?I mean it is named after a place the land of Hind,whilst Islam means 'submission to the will of God' not comparing,just presenting the basic data of the literal meanings of beliefs.
From your last post I think you agreed that God is 1,right?
So dont you think praying to someone else or ascribing partners with that 1God would be unjust on your part?Keeping in mind,that we came from that One God and our final return is unto Him.

chimusocute
10-16-2008, 09:09 AM
Ya Hinduism is not a religion, a way to live life.....ya 5000 yrs there was no other religion....so there was no pt in give name to it.....coz in bhagvatgeet....they never mention abt any other religion...and there was no pt in coverting...but quran is so dividing people..saying people to convert in their religion...

kashif_nazeer
10-16-2008, 09:19 AM
Yep so true,religion is nothing but a way of life,given to us to by God to lead our lives.But the phrase 'submission to the will of God' which means Islam is even there in the Bhagwat Geeta!The place where Krishna explains the theory of Karma to Arjuna.
By the way in Islam we dont call it conversion,but reversion (as I had mentioned in my first post).
We call it reversion,because we believe that every human being is based in a state of purity i.e al-fitrah but it is his parents who convert him to other religions like Christianity,Judaism,Magnaism...etc.
So when someone embraces Islam i.e. submits himself to the will of God ,he is actually reverting to his state of purity and so we call it reversion not conversion.
You know the most wonderful thing is that all religion(or way of life) sprang from One true God,but human beings changed it to meet their interests,so God sent his final message to mankind through Muhammad(sallalhu alayhi wassallam),the message of Islam,i.e. submission to the will of God.
Still there there is no compulsion in religion,everyone is free to choose what he/she wills. :)

sajjuaiah
10-16-2008, 09:28 AM
It is not to hurt you sis, it is just to tell you.
at the end choice is yours?

"Whom so ever Allah guides non can misguide and whom soever Allah leaves astry no can guide".

Where is your hinudsim? just for india?

Where is hindu gods live only in inda?

See islam eventhough media is propogating bad but still people are coming to islam.

Alhamdulillah islam is not just fastest growing relegion but also 1st major religion of the world.

So what have you seen in dr. zakir naik video lies.

He is quoting the phraces from your holy book. not to mediate to god.
he is quoting from your book. not to make dummy gods besides true god.

Look at this what allah says in quran.

Surah Baqarah - 2:7
"Allah has sealed their hearts and their hearing, and on their eyes there is covering. Their will be an awful doom"

Surah Baqarah - 2:10
"In their hearts is a disease, and Allah increaseth their disease.
A painful doom is theirs because they lie"

Surah Baqarah - 2:17
" Their likeness is as the likenessof one who kindleth fire, and when it sheddeth its light around him Allah taketh aay their light and leaveth them in darkness, where they cannot see: 18. Deaf, dumb and blind; and they return not.

justoneofmillion
10-16-2008, 09:58 AM
hello,The truth about the gods!by the way who told you that Hinduism was the most ancient religion!there were religions in Africa prior to that!they were quite monotheistic in principle until happened what happened with most of the religion look at the vid.Even in the vedas you will find that there is only one god,and nothing is like him!but people thought they needed helpers to get the favors of god,whereas god is ever ready to accept everyone without intermediary mini gods or associates.The most important thing here is the truth not how we perceive the truth to be,if you can proove to me that hinduism is what god wants us to do i will become a hindou today, but i need proof my salvation can t rely on conjecture as there is only one truth,Yours or mine can t be both.
H7HxZd7hESE

BinteShafi
10-16-2008, 10:33 AM
"As to those who reject faith, it is the same to them whether you warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe. Allah has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, an on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur)"

"Whom so ever Allah guides non can misguide and whom soever Allah leaves astry no can guide".

chimusocute
10-16-2008, 10:35 AM
Oh Really....can u give me proof tht Quran is written by ur Allah!!!....
It might be written by an old arab man in desert.....???

justoneofmillion
10-16-2008, 10:51 AM
Oh Really....can u give me proof tht Quran is written by ur Allah!!!....
It might be written by an old arab man in desert.....???Greetings,no i can t unless i prove to you as well that it is from your Allah swt too in the process.IF you are ready to have a civilized and friendly conversation,we all will prove it to you inshallah if you stick around with us ,the proofs are too many from very precise prophecies about the future to modern scientific and archeological irrefutable facts ,miracles and healthy logical reasoning .

Be patient and take it one step at a time, if you wish to ask questions go ahead but do not get angry, see it as if we were having a conversation around a cup of tee and chill a little...don t worry non of us will bite you although we are no vegetarians.

On the other hand allow me to understand something as am not very familiar with Hinduism are these gods you call unto specific for the wishes you have like the goddess of beauty the goddess of rain of happiness the goddess of marriage of fertility ...etc is this the concept you are portraying?Or is it like you believe in one god like the Vedas say!and the other gods are just a way tyo get you closer to god. explain a little if you don t mind.Be good

Imad
10-16-2008, 10:54 AM
Hello chimusocute,

Thank you for asking us how to convert. It's easy to revert to islam.

First of all muslims believe in One God, Allah all praise is due to Him. Nothing is like unto Him. He is the creator of Adam and Eva our ancestors and the Creator of the Heavens and the earth. From Adam and Eva generations after generations came into existence. The first generations were muslims, who submitted themselves to Our Creator. After the first generations people made statues of some right-guided men. They wanted to remember this right-guided men and not to worship them. The generations which came after this generations thought that their ancestors worshipped this statues, so they began to worship this statues. From this statue worshipping generation differend generations emerged which worshipped differend statues. Every statue worshipping generation developed their own stories and way of worshipping this statues. Some of this statue worshipping generations are hindus and the polytheist of the arabian peninsula ( this are some examples, there are more)

Messengers -like Noah, abraham etc.. peace be unto them all- have been send to them to reveal to them the truth, some accepted the truth and others denied. The last messenger is our prophet Muhammad Peace be unto him. He has been send to the whole mankind as a mercy.

I really don't want to insult your religion or way of live, but you can see clear similarities between the polytheist of Mekka and hindus and other statue worshipping cultures.

All praise is due to Allah who have lighted this Earth with his messengers, who came to tell us the truth. All praise is due to Allah Our Lord.

I ask Allah to open your heart to islam.......

If you have any Questions or have any notion ( critique) on what i have written please don't hesitate to ask/reply.

Thank you for reading

Imad
10-16-2008, 11:23 AM
hello chimusocute,

The Quran is not written by Allah nor written by our Prophet Peace be upon him, it's the Word of Allah. Allah have send angel jibriel (gabriel) to our prophet to teach him His Word. Our messenger was not able to write, so he asked his companions to memorise and to write it down.

At this moment millions of muslims have memorised the Quran by heart

There are no mistakes in the Word of Allah. If the Quran was the word of a humanbeings you would find many mistakes. By Whome in His Hand is my soul, you will never find any mistake in the Quran.

And also the Quran is in arabic and the polytheists of Mekka have been asked to produce one verse of this Quran, and they couldn't.

They saw the truth in the Quran. My Question to you is: Are you able to prove that the Quran is not from Allah all praise is due to Him?

Thanks for reading

Take care,

Imad

a_stranger
10-16-2008, 11:29 AM
OUR creator:

"Say, 'He is Allah, the One;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begets not, and neither is He begotten;
And there is nothing that can be compared
Translation of the meanings of Quran

"nearer to us than our jugular vein" (Qur'an 50:16).

"...Allah knows well the secrets of your hearts" (Qur'an 5:7).

"When My servants ask thee concerning Me,
I am indeed close (to them).
I respond to the prayer of every suppliant
when he calls on Me.
Let them also, with a will,
Listen to My call, and believe in Me,
that they may walk in the right way."
Qur'an 2:186

In the Qur'an, we read that Allah is Compassionate and Merciful. He is Kind, Loving, and Wise. He is the Creator, the Sustainer, the Healer. He is the One who Guides, the One who Protects, the One who Forgives.

abubaseer
10-16-2008, 12:19 PM
Oh Really....can u give me proof tht Quran is written by ur Allah!!!....
It might be written by an old arab man in desert.....???

Here is the proof

www.islam-guide.org (http://www.islam-guide.org)

chimusocute
10-16-2008, 12:31 PM
1 thing i will say i will never convert in ISLAM...i m really very happy with my religion.......I M A HINDU!!!! and i will not let another to convert...if they be close to god in their own religion....i will try my level best....i m just 23....but till i become 50 i can promise u tht i will be master in bhagvatgeet and all the vedas...

U say, dont be bais while reading quran....wht is the gurantee tht when ur Dr. Naik read it...he was not bais.....mark my word and u will remember me....

justoneofmillion
10-16-2008, 12:47 PM
1 thing i will say i will never convert in ISLAM...i m really very happy with my religion.......I M A HINDU!!!! and i will not let another to convert...if they be close to god in their own religion....i will try my level best....i m just 23....but till i become 50 i can promise u tht i will be master in bhagvatgeet and all the vedas...

U say, dont be bais while reading quran....wht is the gurantee tht when ur Dr. Naik read it...he was not bais.....mark my word and u will remember me....Good luck chimou may god keep you alive by then.You should tell your friend about your intentions then.So that he knows what to await .Tell him the truth it will avoid you guys a lot of troubles if one day he becomes serious about his faith as you about yours.But never say never because if you have any power over yourself just try and stop thinking,breathing or even less than that just stop blinking right now for ten minutes!It should keep you humble in your future studies of the vedas ,Quraan ...etc.be good

Omar (ex Andrey)
10-16-2008, 12:50 PM
Oh Really....can u give me proof tht Quran is written by ur Allah!!!....
It might be written by an old arab man in desert.....???

Dear Chimusocute,

1) please respect the people here - when you visit another person's house you are a guest there, not a host. And you are in our house. So please speak with respect to our values. Similarly if any Muslim goes to a site of your religion and speaks in a rude manner you ALSO have EVERY right to say the same as I do

2) The greatest sin a human can ever commit is shirk (from Arabic worshipping somebody other than God). Worse than a murder. Worse than rape. Worse than anything. The ONLY sin that God tells he can't forgive. In your case it is love for your boyfriend. Your boyfriend. A human who is no different than you. Who was born & will die. If you want to please him then read the Quran, study Hadeeth, but don't ever turn to God for the sake of ANY human.


My dear sisters and brothers!!!

I may be wrong, but please honour yourselves. The person is kufr, she enters our community site insults us & you tell her "sorry" & "not to hurt you" - Just think for a while what would our Prophet's S.A.A.S. sahabs do in this situation. At that times people used to respect Muslims & they considered Muslims very seriously. As actually they should. Nowadays people accuse us of terrorism & whatever else dirt they can find just because we don't stand for ourselves. Just imagine what would for example Christians do in such a situation. I know many Christians. If anyone speaks carelessly of Jesus A.S. or the Bible they terminate all the discussion at once! Just think of it...:salah:

justoneofmillion
10-16-2008, 01:02 PM
Dear Chimusocute,

1) please respect the people here - when you visit another person's house you are a guest there, not a host. And you are in our house. So please speak with respect to our values. Similarly if any Muslim goes to a site of your religion and speaks in a rude manner you ALSO have EVERY right to say the same as I do

2) The greatest sin a human can ever commit is shirk (from Arabic worshipping somebody other than God). Worse than a murder. Worse than rape. Worse than anything. The ONLY sin that God tells he can't forgive. In your case it is love for your boyfriend. Your boyfriend. A human who is no different than you. Who was born & will die. If you want to please him then read the Quran, study Hadeeth, but don't ever turn to God for the sake of ANY human.


My dear sisters and brothers!!!

I may be wrong, but please honour yourselves. The person is kufr, she enters our community site insults us & you tell her "sorry" & "not to hurt you" - Just think for a while what would our Prophet's S.A.A.S. sahabs do in this situation. At that times people used to respect Muslims & they considered Muslims very seriously. As actually they should. Nowadays people accuse us of terrorism & whatever else dirt they can find just because we don't stand for ourselves. Just imagine what would for example Christians do in such a situation. I know many Christians. If anyone speaks carelessly of Jesus A.S. or the Bible they terminate all the discussion at once! Just think of it...:salah::salam2:All the honor is from and to Allah swt my dear brother ,we are no more than humble servants,that have being prescribed to honor themselves in the heart of the action at the right time.
Human beings struggle in all directions when they are breathless,that is how they find the order to their chaos of emotions and so do pregnant mothers while they give birth to a "new" human being.

wassalaam
jameel

kashif_nazeer
10-16-2008, 01:16 PM
Okay no one is asking you to convert,it was you who raised the question.
To you your way,to us our way.

muslimah-2k8
10-16-2008, 01:22 PM
A Muslim isn't interested in converting people.........

But a Muslim presents the TRUTH........

It is up to you to verify it and then to accept it or not.........

You have to bother whether you want to go to heaven or hell........

Umm Ismael
10-16-2008, 01:30 PM
1 thing i will say i will never convert in ISLAM...i m really very happy with my religion.......I M A HINDU!!!! and i will not let another to convert...if they be close to god in their own religion....i will try my level best....i m just 23....but till i become 50 i can promise u tht i will be master in bhagvatgeet and all the vedas...

U say, dont be bais while reading quran....wht is the gurantee tht when ur Dr. Naik read it...he was not bais.....mark my word and u will remember me....

Asselemou Alaikum,

As I am a muslimah, I wish you all the best with whatever religion that you decide to follow.
We wish you all, all the best inche Allah.

Conversion or not is your heart decision ( inche Allah)
being Hindu, being muslim, being christian, being buddhist.. look into your life and try to seek your path, the right path..

It is not a question of who is biased or not.. it is not people who will help you or not, decide or not, give you the example or not..certainly.. some can help.. but it is not always the case..
But just, before everything...before every help that you can recieve.. you should recieve it by a genereous heart and listenning ear.. without judging ( i am not saying that is not the case for you, i dont know), because as we are poor human... we, as human, cannot judge and pretend having the supreme Logic.. No one has this supreme Logic on this earth.

We, as Muslims, we believe that Allah has the Supreme Logic.
You are not a muslim, so certainly you think differently. No one will judge you, but as we hope..that others could know one day this beautiful Belief in Allah, this Love and peace that we feel by believing in Him, this manner to see the world when reading His words..this Truth.. we just want to share with others these Beautiful things..

I wish you all the best in your life and hope sincerly that you will find peace and The right path.

Sincerely
Hajer

muslimummah
10-16-2008, 01:35 PM
Dear Chimusocute,
Thank you for signing up and posting. I just want to let know that we are not here to convert anyone. All we can do is convey the message of islam and answer some of the questions you might have. I invite to read the Quran with open mind (ignoring any pre-conception of islam you might have). You don't embrace islam just by reading the book. In fact, ideally one should know the basic fundamentals of all the major religions and compare. Reading/hearing glimpses from media or some site isn't really the ideal way to know about a religion. There are 100s of reasons why the Quran couldn't written by one illeterate man and it is already proven too(the scientific facts alone is more than enough). You should also learn in depth of your religion and seek/ask questions. In Islam, you're invited to ask questions. Ultimately, it will be upto you and your Lord.

mymohsin
10-16-2008, 01:46 PM
Salamalaykum,

I agree with brother Kashif

Okay no one is asking you to convert,it was you who raised the question.
To you your way,to us our way.

Friend Chim at first if u have notice no one has asked u to convert. You have came here and asked for our advice and its Muslims duty that if anyone ask us for any advice we try to give the best what we can. As ur topic is HOW TO CONVERT TO ISLAM so all Brothers/Sisters said u to read and understand Islam then convert as after taking Sahada (reverting) in ur case only verbally and still beliving in ur old belives it will through u out from your old religion as well as from Islam also as Allah is all knowing even what is in ur heart and it may also hurts the feelings of the person to whom you love. In this way u will be of no where so all Brothers/Sisters advice you to safe you.

So here all Brothers/Sisters has given you a advice which is good for you. Now its upto u to decide. And belive me friend if once you start reading Quran with open mind you cant stop your self from accepting it and during which if u have any doubt in understanding it then Insha Allah we will be happy and try our best to help you insha Allah.

Hope you have got the answer to your question by the time taken by all Brothers/Sisters in replying.

May Lord guide all of us to the strigth path on which his blessings are and protect us from HELL Fire. Ameen.

Regards.

IbnAdam77
10-16-2008, 01:47 PM
hellow...

I advice you not to be proud of your age. Among the brothers and sisters who gave you advice, there are younger people than YOU (23 huh) and they know their Religion (ALHAMDHULILLAH). You cannot be sure you can live until 50 years old. DEATH may occur within next few minutes while you reading this post also. So DO NOT BE PROUD OF YOUR AGE. There is nobody who can wait for even a second when Malak al-Mawth comes, whether you believe or not. You also will surely know the truth of what I am saying when the time comes.

Islam is for the whole mankind. I pray ALLAH (swt) to show you the right path.

-brother IbnAdam-

Isra
10-16-2008, 01:49 PM
I too was introduced to Islam by a Muslim man who I met on the internet. I feel so much love for this man who I have not yet met in person. He never forced me to believe in Islam but gently persuaded me to "just read the Quran" which I have been doing.

I was baptised Catholic and Mormon but I dont follow the Christian faith although I have always believed that Jesus was the son of God. This has been the hardest thing for me to give up in my mind. What helped me to accept Jesus as a Prophet like all the other Prophets and NOT as the begotten son of God is what I read that we are trained by our parents to believe in certain aspects of different religions. So with that in mind I really asked myself. I searched my heart and found that I had no proof whatsoever that what I was taught all my life was in fact the TRUTH. When I did that my mind (and heart) was opened and I began to understand everything I am reading in The Holy Quran.

I recently started to read the life of the Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) and have accepted that he truely is a messenger of Allah. Ok so now I feel almost ready to take Shahada but.................I read the posts here. It made me doubt my true intentions once again. I had to ask myself "if it were not for this man who I am in love with would I care about Islam?" and "if something happened that I didnt end up with this man who I am in love with will I still believe in Islam?" In other words "am I doing all of this just for HIM or for MYSELF?"

These are tough questions and I cant pray about it because my prayers are not accepted by Allah and I am so afraid that it wont be Allah answering them if I was to pray but rather Shaitan answering them. WHAT CAN I DO? How can I get the answer I need to this very serious question? And Im afraid (terribly afraid) of what my answer will be. The man I love asked me this same question and I answered that I believe in Islam and even without him I will continue in it but Im not sure if thats the truth or just what I want to believe. This topic has brought some serious issues to the forefront of my mind and I dont have the answers I need.

So I guess my question is the same as the topic starter "HOW WILL I REVERT?" Everyone currently in my life is totally against me reverting to Islam. EVERYONE except this man who I love so much but have not yet even met in person. I feel so alone.

Umm Ismael
10-16-2008, 01:49 PM
Nowadays people accuse us of terrorism & whatever else dirt they can find just because we don't stand for ourselves. Just imagine what would for example Christians do in such a situation. I know many Christians. If anyone speaks carelessly of Jesus A.S. or the Bible they terminate all the discussion at once! Just think of it...:salah:

Yes Subhana Allah, meche Allah, seyidouna Mohamed salla Allahou alayhi oua sallam, taught us to be generous and kind and respectful even though to people that don't do the same for us. Meche Allah.
Our generosity ,or our respect, doesn't depend on what we receive.
They can make accuses of whatever they want.. but subhana Allah, you can see that the prophet sallah Allahou alayhi oua sellim was so generous and kind to all..it was his so kind attitude towards all people that make the heart of people change (by the Will of Allah certainly).. to change persons, it is not a question of truth that you expose first, it is before inche Allah how you expose the truth.. to change a person ( if Allah will) begin by talking with the language of the heart.. this language is very very sensitive..

Alhamduli Allah and Allahumma salli oua sellim ala nebiyika Mohamed

إنّ المكــــارمَ أخــــلاقٌ مُطهــــــرةٌ الـــدين أوَّلُهـــا والعـــقـــل ثانيهــــا
والعلــمُ ثالثهـــا والحلـــمُ رابعهـــــا والجود خامِسُها والفضــلُ سـادِسُها
والبـــرُّ سابعهــــا والشُكْــرُ ثامنهــا والصبْــرُ تـــاسِعها واللِّينُ باقيهــــا

:)

muslimah-2k8
10-16-2008, 01:56 PM
I too was introduced to Islam by a Muslim man who I met on the internet. I feel so much love for this man who I have not yet met in person. He never forced me to believe in Islam but gently persuaded me to "just read the Quran" which I have been doing.

I was baptised Catholic and Mormon but I dont follow the Christian faith although I have always believed that Jesus was the son of God. This has been the hardest thing for me to give up in my mind. What helped me to accept Jesus as a Prophet like all the other Prophets and NOT as the begotten son of God is what I read that we are trained by our parents to believe in certain aspects of different religions. So with that in mind I really asked myself. I searched my heart and found that I had no proof whatsoever that what I was taught all my life was in fact the TRUTH. When I did that my mind (and heart) was opened and I began to understand everything I am reading in The Holy Quran.

I recently started to read the life of the Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) and have accepted that he truely is a messenger of Allah. Ok so now I feel almost ready to take Shahada but.................I read the posts here. It made me doubt my true intentions once again. I had to ask myself "if it were not for this man who I am in love with would I care about Islam?" and "if something happened that I didnt end up with this man who I am in love with will I still believe in Islam?" In other words "am I doing all of this just for HIM or for MYSELF?"

These are tough questions and I cant pray about it because my prayers are not accepted by Allah and I am so afraid that it wont be Allah answering them if I was to pray but rather Shaitan answering them. WHAT CAN I DO? How can I get the answer I need to this very serious question? And Im afraid (terribly afraid) of what my answer will be. The man I love asked me this same question and I answered that I believe in Islam and even without him I will continue in it but Im not sure if thats the truth or just what I want to believe. This topic has brought some serious issues to the forefront of my mind and I dont have the answers I need.

So I guess my question is the same as the topic starter "HOW WILL I REVERT?" Everyone currently in my life is totally against me reverting to Islam. EVERYONE except this man who I love so much but have not yet even met in person. I feel so alone.

You are not alone sister....... we are with you...... we are always there to help you out in any way whatsoever possible....... don't for a moment think you are alone......

IbnAdam77
10-16-2008, 02:10 PM
I too was introduced to Islam by a Muslim man who I met on the internet. I feel so much love for this man who I have not yet met in person. He never forced me to believe in Islam but gently persuaded me to "just read the Quran" which I have been doing.

I was baptised Catholic and Mormon but I dont follow the Christian faith although I have always believed that Jesus was the son of God. This has been the hardest thing for me to give up in my mind. What helped me to accept Jesus as a Prophet like all the other Prophets and NOT as the begotten son of God is what I read that we are trained by our parents to believe in certain aspects of different religions. So with that in mind I really asked myself. I searched my heart and found that I had no proof whatsoever that what I was taught all my life was in fact the TRUTH. When I did that my mind (and heart) was opened and I began to understand everything I am reading in The Holy Quran.

I recently started to read the life of the Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) and have accepted that he truely is a messenger of Allah. Ok so now I feel almost ready to take Shahada but.................I read the posts here. It made me doubt my true intentions once again. I had to ask myself "if it were not for this man who I am in love with would I care about Islam?" and "if something happened that I didnt end up with this man who I am in love with will I still believe in Islam?" In other words "am I doing all of this just for HIM or for MYSELF?"

These are tough questions and I cant pray about it because my prayers are not accepted by Allah and I am so afraid that it wont be Allah answering them if I was to pray but rather Shaitan answering them. WHAT CAN I DO? How can I get the answer I need to this very serious question? And Im afraid (terribly afraid) of what my answer will be. The man I love asked me this same question and I answered that I believe in Islam and even without him I will continue in it but Im not sure if thats the truth or just what I want to believe. This topic has brought some serious issues to the forefront of my mind and I dont have the answers I need.

So I guess my question is the same as the topic starter "HOW WILL I REVERT?" Everyone currently in my life is totally against me reverting to Islam. EVERYONE except this man who I love so much but have not yet even met in person. I feel so alone.

:salam2: sister...

You are totally different from the topic starter sister. You read the Quran, Hadith and other books to find the truth with an open mind. But the topic starter afraid of losing her FALSE religion if she read Quran. There are many and many sisters and even brothers who are converted because they knew the truth from their potential wife or husband. Not blindly like what topic starter wanted to do. But after an open minded research.

I like to ask you a question. Did you find any mistakes in Quran?

Sister many brothers and sisters are converted because of a good friend they have. Just keep praying and move step by step. InshaALLAH you will get what you want. Accepting friends' advice and doing research is not worshiping them (Shirk).

May ALLAH (swt) show and keep you firm in the true path. amiin.

wassalam

-brother IbnAdam-

Isra
10-16-2008, 03:25 PM
:salam2: sister...

You are totally different from the topic starter sister. You read the Quran, Hadith and other books to find the truth with an open mind. But the topic starter afraid of losing her FALSE religion if she read Quran. There are many and many sisters and even brothers who are converted because they knew the truth from their potential wife or husband. Not blindly like what topic starter wanted to do. But after an open minded research.

I like to ask you a question. Did you find any mistakes in Quran?

Sister many brothers and sisters are converted because of a good friend they have. Just keep praying and move step by step. InshaALLAH you will get what you want. Accepting friends' advice and doing research is not worshiping them (Shirk).

May ALLAH (swt) show and keep you firm in the true path. amiin.

wassalam

-brother IbnAdam-

First let me apologise to the topic starter. I did not intend to "hijack" this topic for my own purpose. I would however like to send a HUGE thankyou to all the brothers and sisters who responded to my post. You have all turned my doubts into firm strength in the belief that I need to keep going forward with my studies of Islam and leave the rest of it in Allah's hands.

I would also like to respond to the question in this post which was directed to myself. In answer to your question brother IbnAdam I have not found one mistake in the Holy Quran and as I mentioned in my original post I have understood everything Ive read so far and I have believed everything Ive read.

All of you have been so kind in your responses to me and I have to say it has warmed my heart SO MUCH!!!!!! THANK YOU for helping me not to feel so alone in my faith at least.

cmelbouzaidi
10-16-2008, 03:55 PM
:salam2: Dear sister Tree2008, I am just catching up on this thread at the end of the afternoon in Paris :) You are a diamond in the rough as Brother Ayman said :) This search for truth and self-examination is what everyone should do to find their path. We owe that to our Creator. As you continue to study Qur'an and Islam, please post any questions to your family on the TTI forum. I reverted to Islam 17 years ago and it would have been a great help to me back then to have something like TTI :) I feel that now, finally, I am on a steep learning curve about Islam and everything that I learn just reaffirms why I was drawn to Islam, the fastest growing religion in the world today against all odds, :ma: Keep learning and may Allah bless you, sister :)

Your sister,

Catherine Iman

Umm Ismael
10-16-2008, 04:07 PM
:salam2: Dear sister Tree2008, I am just catching up on this thread at the end of the afternoon in Paris :) You are a diamond in the rough as Brother Ayman said :) This search for truth and self-examination is what everyone should do to find their path. We owe that to our Creator. As you continue to study Qur'an and Islam, please post any questions to your family on the TTI forum. I reverted to Islam 17 years ago and it would have been a great help to me back then to have something like TTI :) I feel that now, finally, I am on a steep learning curve about Islam and everything that I learn just reaffirms why I was drawn to Islam, the fastest growing religion in the world today against all odds, :ma: Keep learning and may Allah bless you, sister :)

Your sister,

Catherine Iman


Meche Allah, ma soeur Catherine :)
Hajer de Paris ;)

TheHumbleWun
10-16-2008, 04:12 PM
It made me doubt my true intentions once again.

It is only Satan that makes people doubt themselves. He was created to put doubts in peoples minds. He has tricked & deceived many. The Quran's opening chapter starts out, "This is the Book of which there is no doubt."

Rest assured, the more you read about Islam, the simplicity & logic behind it, the more you'll be convinced by yourself. You'll know it's the Truth when it rests in your heart gently. You come across as a sincere person with a gentle heart & inshallah (God willing) you will find it. God Almighty has promised in the Quran that "Truth stands clear from error" (2:256). And it is only the wise ones that accept Islam as the Truth, their creed and way of life.

I feel so alone

Islam is the home to 1.6 billion Muslims on Earth. You have Muslims brothers & sisters around the globe and people reverting to Islam every day :) Of course this shouldn't be the reason why you would want to revert to Islam, but it shouldn't be totally disregarded either. We're here to help you anytime, inshallah.

Islam began as a stranger & it will return back as a stranger. The importance of Taweed (the Oness of Allah) was strange, the customs of charity, having no compulsion in religion, listening to your parents, having love & respect for the youth & elders were strange to the people of that time & still is to some people today! So prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said, "Give glad tidings to the stranger." A diamond in the rough or a flower in desert - you truly are.

Al-Salam
10-16-2008, 04:29 PM
Dear sister,
you are here for a reason, you told your story and you came here for advise right? well I have read each and every comment that has been written to you, and nearly each one of them, start with the sentence: "salam alaykoum" = "peace be upon you". They have answered you with respect and are willing to help you further, so am I by the way. But it seems like you don't agree with what's been said, and your answers back are written in an angry mood. They are not forcing you to revert, but are giving you the main reasons for why you Should revert, and it's not to please your boyfriend, nor losing your family, but rather, because Islam is the last and truthful religion.
Anyway sister, I wish you the best in life, hopefully also in the afterlife.
salam.

PS: to sister Tree2008, welcome to tti:) I have read you post, and I'm happy to know that you believe in the holy Quran, and are considering reverting to Islam. May Allah protect you and each and every muslim. You're right you know, you're not alone, you have Allah by your side, and the Ummah behind your back.

salam wa rahmat allah wa barakatou.

Munawar
10-16-2008, 06:12 PM
1 thing i will say i will never convert in ISLAM...i m really very happy with my religion.......I M A HINDU!!!! and i will not let another to convert...if they be close to god in their own religion....i will try my level best....i m just 23....but till i become 50 i can promise u tht i will be master in bhagvatgeet and all the vedas...

U say, dont be bais while reading quran....wht is the gurantee tht when ur Dr. Naik read it...he was not bais.....mark my word and u will remember me....

Assalam-o-alikum,
Dear Chimu,

Please watch this video of this young Hindu man, you may find it helpful:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1294888137866304803&ei=zGn3SKrGFaGI-gGGlYSJBA&q=Hindu+revert+to+islam&hl=en

Just remember that Allah ahs created this universe as a test center, you and me and every human who ever came to this earth, the main purpose for our creation is to participate in this test regarding how we conduct our lives on earth. All the deeds even the most secret thougths and acts are recorded.
Then when the hour will come, Allah will terminate this test center, every thing which exists in this universe will vanish and then Allah will re-create this universe but with different set of laws, all human beings will be resurrected at the same time and will be judged. Those who will fail will go to Hell Fire and those who will pass will go to the Paradise and they will live for-ever.

Nearly all religions specially Jewish and Christian say the same thing.

So when the stakes are so high that worshiping a wrong God would mean buring in Hell-Fire then one needs to be very careful. Just try this: put your hand on stove fire just for 10 seconds... ok just 5 seconds... okay make it just 3 seconds. Can you hold it that long? If you can't then how you can risk that your whole body, I repeat the WHOLE BODY, be burning in a fire hotter than this stove fire, and not just for a few seconds but for a very very long time.

Why anybody wants to risk that? See just because one's parents are Hindu doesn't mean that Hindu gods are actually Gods? Instead of cultural bias and arrogance the best thing to do is to study and then decide what is right and what is wrong.

Majority of the people here on this forum were born in a non-Muslim families. They probably hated Islam, but then when they saw the truth they didn't care about their family background or culture and accepted the truth.

Do you think God will reward these people or those who followed their ego and culture and tradition, and didn't use their intellect and brain to find and accept the truth.

Read the Quran and if you find it not true then fine ... but atleast you owe it to youself to attempt it.
I am saying this as a friend of yours.

Wassalam.

Shishani
10-16-2008, 06:24 PM
Hello.

First of all, if you know what the Truth is, you should follow it. No matter what your family says or upon what your ancestors were. For verily, the Truth from the Creator of all creation has to be obeyed even if all of humanity would be against you. For verily, He will guide you and He will be sufficient for you.

Secondly, you have to learn about Islaam. The most important thing in Islaam is Tawheed (Oneness of Allaah (God)). "Laa ilaaha illallaah" (none has the right to be worshipped except Allaah). And you have to know why Islaam is the Truth from the Creator of the heavens and the earth. And that Muhammad Ibn 'Abdullaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is the last Messenger of Allaah (Almighty God).


Very important, interesting and beneficial lectures. You must listen/watch them! It'll make things very clear. So this is the first which I advise you to watch/listen to.

The search for Truth by Abul-Hasan Maalik Ibn Aadam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gJ3HjlPtkM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HvpJXvWn6E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuSD-5oBgJk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e61T8Tp0hwU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpyrkUA4HIc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkyUSv722gE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaD2qH2lOos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkWjQUvivwc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4EUA1Tan80
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5MDOEKZ9bQ


Who we worship? By Saleh As-Saleh (rahimahullaah)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2TBwGiSIGk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaMmZWKWWMQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddr2GfKHtko
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nQXiqjIvuo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYxldx7qfTk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd8hB2t-PLU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwyJiRL5Z-k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFYbvQdgvYE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-F3RRyY7IM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JP9TKc3XZI

Signs of Allah's love for His creation by Abu Talhah Dawood Burbank
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAbxZ7botJE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxaEMj-ZKSI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F942txfPl4Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtqAdA47kQs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8iY_dai4TY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkBcbxn1H0w

Refuting Attacks Against The Quran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeIFubRerrk

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Islam For Non Muslims
http://spubs.com/sps/sp_nm.cfm

You really have to read this too, very interesting things here:

General:

Evidence that only Allah is the Creator of life
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/439
The merits of Islam
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/219
Who do Muslims worship?
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/4524

A serious dialogue with a Christian
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/2690
How to call a Christian to Islam
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/14418


About Tawheed (Oneness of Allaah) etc.

Is there a Creator of this universe?
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/4548
THE LORD OF THE WORLDS
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/14010

The real meaning of Tawheed al-Ruboobiyyah (Oneness of Divine Lordship), and those who reject it
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/49025
The Oneness of Allaah
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/13532

The kuffaar ask who created Allaah
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/6660
The answer to the question posed by disbelievers, “Can Allaah create a rock that He cannot lift?”
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/39679

Evidence that Allaah is exalted high above His creation and that He is above the heavens
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/992
Allaah is above His Throne and He is close to us by His Knowledge
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/11035
Is it possible to see Allaah in this world?
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/2734

Claims of divinity
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/10032
Discussion with a Christian: The Oneness of God is the message of Jesus and all the Prophets, peace be upon them
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/12628
He is debating with a Christian and is asking: Does God has a spirit?
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/50774


Purpose of creation:

The reason why mankind was created
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/45529
A Christian is asking why God created mankind
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/11804
What is the purpose of animals and plants on Earth?
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/42237


The Words of the Creator (the Qur'aan):

The Qur’aan was revealed by Allaah, not created
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/10153


The Messenger of Allaah:

Mankind’s need for the Messengers
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/13957

Evidence for the truth of the Prophethood of Muhammad
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/2114

Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/11575
Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is the Seal of the Prophets and Messengers
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/113393

Is the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) the best of creation?
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/97384

Are the Prophets equal?
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/7459

What is the high status of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)?
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/2036

The superiority of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to all of creation
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/10669

Evidence for the superiority of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) over other Prophets
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/83417

Was the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) noor (light) or bashar (a human being)?
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/75395

Why do we have to love the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) more than any other person?
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/14250

The reason why the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) led the other Prophets in prayer during the Isra’ (Night Journey)
http://islamqa.com/en/ref/46917


Other:

The mercy of Allaah towards His slaves
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/20468

Answer of one who has become Muslim to the question “Why did you become Muslim”?
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/103524

The creation of man
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref

A Christian asks about the nature and definition of the soul
-> http://islamqa.com/en/ref/4395


You really have to look here too:

Islamic Articles And Important Information
-> http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=69


In that link you'll see things like these (very important):

Introductory Articles About Islam
-> http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=11

Fundamental Beliefs in Islam Tawheed and Aqeedah
-> http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=15

And also read about the misconceptions and about the Prophet and other important things in the subforum "Islamic Articles And Important Information".


If you got any questions, ask me. I'll try to answer you with answers from the Qur'aan (the Book of Allaah) and the Sunnah (the way of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)) with the understanding of the Companions of the Prophet., in shaa Allaah (God willing).


May the Sustainer of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, the Only One Who is to be worshipped, guide you and us all to His Straight Path which leads to eternal happiness.


Wassalaamu 'alaa manit-taba'al-hudaa. (And peace upon those who follow the Guidance).

Nichole
10-16-2008, 06:37 PM
Just because a religion is old doesn't make it right. Islam is the oldest though because it was the religion of the FIRST HUMAN, Adam (AS).

To you is your religion and to to me is my religion. God will decide between us on the Day of Resurrection. If you feel happy with your religion then do what you feel is right, the message has been given to you and that's our only responsibility.

Nichole

Ibnu Ismail
10-17-2008, 02:35 AM
ASSALAMUALAIKUM,

Did You Forget What Allah Says in the Quran?

Surah Al-Kafirun(109)
109:6. Your religion is for you and my religion is for me"

in this case, we can't force her the convert to ISLAM. Let her think..

WALLAHUALAM...

IbnAdam77
10-17-2008, 09:10 AM
First let me apologise to the topic starter. I did not intend to "hijack" this topic for my own purpose. I would however like to send a HUGE thankyou to all the brothers and sisters who responded to my post. You have all turned my doubts into firm strength in the belief that I need to keep going forward with my studies of Islam and leave the rest of it in Allah's hands.

I would also like to respond to the question in this post which was directed to myself. In answer to your question brother IbnAdam I have not found one mistake in the Holy Quran and as I mentioned in my original post I have understood everything Ive read so far and I have believed everything Ive read.

All of you have been so kind in your responses to me and I have to say it has warmed my heart SO MUCH!!!!!! THANK YOU for helping me not to feel so alone in my faith at least.

:salam2: sister...

MashaALLAH I am so happy for you. Keep on the way you are and be firm. Just remember we are with you and our duas will be with you. Thank you for answering my question.

wassalam

-brother IbnAdam-

saif
10-17-2008, 09:27 AM
Dear brothers and sisters,
:salam2:

Turning somebody's heart towards Islam is not in our hands. All we can do is to perform da'wah with the best of manners. With this mail, I want to express my gratitude to all those who have taken part in the discussion. I would have thought that Hinduism is a difficult terrain for muslims because mostly we are busy talking with christians or atheists. However, I am very positively surprised by the level of discussion in this thread. May Allah reward brother Zakir Naik for his efforts, who, I think takes the credit of this increased level of awareness about hinduism.

:salam2:

autumn
10-20-2008, 09:30 AM
Oh Really....can u give me proof tht Quran is written by ur Allah!!!....
It might be written by an old arab man in desert.....???

the Quraan is a revelation from Allah to his messenger Muhammad PBUH.. now u say how do we know its not written by a human?? first, the Quraan exists for more than a thousand years.. Muhammad PBUH used to be an illetrate when Quraan was being reveiled to him... so how could he have made such beautiful words...in that sense how could any human have made such a book..the Quraan talks in general about everything, from how to live to the hereafter, it shows the sign of God.. it talks of the unseen world, of the stories of other prophets... even me, i didnt really look into the meaning of the Quraan, but recently i have been looking at the meaning, not just reading it.. everything makes sense..
there are a lot of people who want to fabricate, say false things about islam which are never true..
also you are very welcomed here :)

isaraswaty
10-21-2008, 07:48 PM
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh to dear Chimu, brothers and sisters...

Wow... you've got many reaction for your thread haven't you?! :)
It makes me smile thou.... debating, debating and debating. I think we all have to calm down a bit now. I think you've got so many reaction due to the title of your thread "How will I convert". All the people here at TTI just want to help you and guide you to find the rightest way, like they are helping me. But it's all up to us whether we would embrace it or not. Of course for moslems, Islam is the true religion, for Christians, Christianity is the true religion. ... as for you Hindu is the true religion, the way of live life as you said. But I kinda wondering, you seemed very sure about Hinduism, your religion, then why asked "how will I convert?".... am a lil bit confused here :)

A buddy of mine from this site wrote me this:
"If Allah wants to favor someone, He grants him comprehension (understanding) of this religion."
[Sahih Bukhari vol.1 # 71, Tirmidhi and Musnad Ahmad]

So, I think if you feel like to learn Islam then learn about Islam with an open heart, no judgements,.... and after you learned it you have a faith to embrace Islam, then embrace it with your heart, because you love Allah and not for something elses than that. But if after learned it you thought... well.... I don't think Islam is for me, than at least you've learned something :)

How about that dear Chimu? .....

Best regards :)

Sophie1
10-22-2008, 12:34 AM
1 thing i will say i will never convert in ISLAM...i m really very happy with my religion.......I M A HINDU!!!! and i will not let another to convert...if they be close to god in their own religion....i will try my level best....i m just 23....but till i become 50 i can promise u tht i will be master in bhagvatgeet and all the vedas...

U say, dont be bais while reading quran....wht is the gurantee tht when ur Dr. Naik read it...he was not bais.....mark my word and u will remember me....

Hi Chimu and welcome to TTI, i'm new here myself. i just want to say that as many brothers and sisters have stated above, you should revert to islam only if you understand it and want to with your own will and conciousness. i can understand that you really want to be with your friend, however it is too early for you to revert to islam if you havent understood it well.

in the above quote you have expressed that you do not wish to become a muslim yet your thraed title says 'how will i convert?'. you musn't base your decision on the religion islam just because you have been affected by what some people may have said to you, i mean you havent even studied the religion.

goodluck with being a master in 'bhagvatgeet', that is if you also study the quran, you may seem to see then what is logic and what makes sense.

i just want to say do not make hasty decisions if you havent understood its concept and embraced it for its purity. Becoming something for the sake of others is not your belief!

wish you the best!

eesa
10-22-2008, 01:30 AM
Sister the Bhagvatgita is not the main books of the Hindus, the main scriptures are Vedas and Puranas. The old Hindu scriptures say that God is One. That you shouldn't make any image of him or make any status of him, MahaBharata or Gita were new additions in the Hindu scriptures and in my opinion are mostly stories and are not dependable.

As-salamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu

Sorry to go off topic, but is this true that these Hindu books preached monotheism??!?

I did not know this, so there are Hindus who are not polytheists??

i'M very confused about this.

abuayesha
10-22-2008, 06:33 AM
Islaam is based on the oneness of God, in Arabic - Allaah.
Muslim is the one who surrenders him/her completely to Allaah alone.
There is no way that a Muslim can misinterpret the rulings given by Allaah and His prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him).

Therefore, sister, reverting the truth should be within your heart, not to show your loved one.

Please read Qur'an, without doubt it will guide you to the right path. Insha Allaah.

Almeftah
10-22-2008, 06:38 AM
you say you cant live without both of them, how about living with God.. Convert to Islam with all of your heart and you'll see how nothing else matters..!!!

Searching_soul
10-22-2008, 09:32 AM
:salam2:

hmmmm.... i read all the posts in this thread, and we might all think that it was futile wasting our time to respond to chimusocute's comments while she's adamant with her belief but guess what, it just made tree2008 sister's belief in islam much stronger :) Alhamdulillah . Allah does work in miraculous ways :) SubhanaAllah.

Chimusocute i hope u research all the religions thoroughly with an open mind and make ur decision and not follow blindly a religion because your born into that. There's no compulsion in islam. Since you asked how to convert, the muslim bros and sisters here just adviced u, that if you wanna convert, don't convert because of your boyfriend, but convert because you understand the truth abt islam. If you think hinduism is the truth, tell me why are all hindus only from India? Maybe God did send a messenger to the people of indus valley, and guided the people to the truth thru the messenger, but that was only for that period and for that specific group of people. After Prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) proclaimed his message of islam which God commanded him to do, it was for the whole world. Not just for the arabs. So Hinduism or any religion for that matter won't be accepted by God except islam. Wish you all the Best in this Life.

P.s. Don't insult Allah because Allah means God in arabic, so if you do, ur just insulting your belief of one GOD as well.



:wasalam:

Almeftah
10-22-2008, 10:33 AM
btw whats a "chimu socute" ?

IbnAdam77
10-22-2008, 10:55 AM
btw whats a "chimu socute" ?

:salam2: my brother...

:SMILY128: that is the name of the thread starter. If you are asking for the meaning, I don't know. LOL

wassalam

-brother IbnAdam-

Almaas
10-22-2008, 02:18 PM
btw whats a "chimu socute" ?

:salam2:

Think about it,

''chimu so cute''; in other words ''chimu is very cute''

:wasalam:

yameenahmed
10-22-2008, 02:51 PM
Hi SISTER even i am from india and i know how people talk about religion in india hindus respect their temples nd their faith very much i do agree but i ask u 1 simple question why dont u read the complete BHAGVADGITA and MAHABHARATAM and then see how one verse contradict the other just dont quote a single verse from any book read it completely see what krishna was how many marriages did he done in his life time .I do agree that its very difficult to accept it but ds is reality we do love our parents very much but think that day where u no one will be ready to help the other nor parents nor boyfriend Please sister u please u see drzakir naik cds for further information i hope allah has given u time to think about it
{Produce your eveidence if your truthfull}-AL QURQN 2:111

Skywalker
10-22-2008, 03:08 PM
Hey! I think you should not convert unless you love Islam.

justcelebre
10-22-2008, 03:34 PM
I think you should convert for the right reasons and not for someone else.

abuayesha
10-22-2008, 07:20 PM
Sister Chimusocute!

Well! Brothers and Sisters are talking to you these days.

Where are you? What are your comments?
Do you really thinking of reading Qur'an and trying to understand what Islam is?

Please feel free to ask any type of question. No one here will misunderstand you or mistreat you and no one will get angry too.

Your feedback is very important.

Bye for now

Aichabella
10-26-2008, 08:43 PM
dear sister: i have somme question for u. but please dont feel like am juging u or anything like that cause that's not my intentions.first of all do u really want to convert?,why do u want to convert?, is ur boyfriend telling u to convert or he will leave u. if he is then i agree with every body here in saying that u shuodn't convert because of him. he should not push u in to converting because he's muslim. u see, in islam we do whatever we do for the sake of ALLAH(swt) not for anything or anyone in this world. converting to islam is a big deal a big change in ur life so what i think is u should read the quran and understand the religion and make the decition on ur own will. as for ur parents been muslim will not change the fact that they're ur parent u will still love and recpect them the same .hopfuly they will do the same for u.please think about it one more thing if i've sayed anything that hurt u or anybody else i ask u all to forgive me. may ALLAH guide u to the right path,and may ALLAH be with us all wasala mu alaykum

Isra
10-27-2008, 07:39 PM
:salam2:

hmmmm.... i read all the posts in this thread, and we might all think that it was futile wasting our time to respond to chimusocute's comments while she's adamant with her belief but guess what, it just made tree2008 sister's belief in islam much stronger :) Alhamdulillah . Allah does work in miraculous ways :) SubhanaAllah.

And THATS the truth!!!! Im STILL here and Im STILL studying and learning more and more every day!!!! Alhamdulillah!!! Thank you all so much............AGAIN!!!! :tti_sister:

cmelbouzaidi
10-27-2008, 08:05 PM
:salam2: :ma: dear sister Tree2008, you are such a joy :) Keep studying and tune in to TTI every day, Insha Allah, and don't be shy to ask anything that comes to mind :)

:wasalam:

chimusocute
10-28-2008, 10:23 AM
i m blessed by god...and i feel happy tht god is with me...just not bcoz i follow hinduism....but good as a person also......this wht every1 shd feel.....help the needy...take blessings from elders...love each n every human being.....
All these thing r really imp to leave a human beings....all these answers i read...i didnt get tht punch & tht pt tht y shd i convert.....tht means as per u ur god want all people to follow 1 religion....but my question is....y isnt ur god happy if they r in differnt religion if he know the ultimate god is 1.

Actually u know, wht must have happen.....v all r from different part of world...v have our own ideas which differs from others but thank to god tht v belive in him....so in the same way our ultimate god is only 1 but only different is our communication mode...

For u to reach god is by praying 5 times a day, covering the body and so on...
But for me...if i fast, visit temple, going for pilgrimage, donation.....
i m sure all of us do almost the same......if the gods message is 1....and v follow tht and only few lines varies ....so y v have to specify on the lines which differ and not on the quotes which are similar.....so be happy with each other, atleast v r comman in something.....

I m really happy being hindu.....evn though i havent read bhagvatgeet till now....but i have understood the just by praying to god everyday....

Want to share a secret to u...i actually have a conversion with god....no,....just kidding....but he is my friend....i love him....
C i m sure ...even for u god must be ur best frnd...m i right or not???
So dont take tenion and dont give tension.....
For me its really not neccesary to read quran or bhagvatgeeta...or to hindu or muslim...to prove my god.....but meantime i m hindu and i have already started going for bhagvatgeet classes to increase my knowlege.....
But just be a good human being.....yes tht the comman message.......and i will follow tht phrase!!!!

Imad
10-28-2008, 10:43 AM
Thanks for responding,

El hamdullilah. We muslims have been ordered to be good to the innocent, to the needy, to the poor, to the neighbour , to all the humanbeings (also hindus) and to all the creatures of Allah.
Really there is no compulsion in islam. We wanted only to show you the truth. If you want to keep your faith, it's your choice. You will be always welcome, but please don't hurt our feelings towards Allah all praise is due to Him.

Take care,

Imad

Imad
10-28-2008, 11:11 AM
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shichemlydia
10-28-2008, 03:28 PM
salam alikoum sister,
may allah make your journey to islam easy, ameen,
but be carefull sister, you are getting intoislam from the wrong door, when someone convert to islam, he/she should submit himself to allaha nd seek his mercy and forgiveness.
if you are coming to islam just to win this boyfriend, i guess is wrong...
islam means you are favouring allah compared to the rest of this world.
in addition, i never heard about the another holy book after the bible and the quran, who wrote this book.
may alah help you, ameen,

cmelbouzaidi
10-28-2008, 04:36 PM
i m blessed by god...and i feel happy tht god is with me...just not bcoz i follow hinduism....but good as a person also......this wht every1 shd feel.....help the needy...take blessings from elders...love each n every human being.....
All these thing r really imp to leave a human beings....all these answers i read...i didnt get tht punch & tht pt tht y shd i convert.....tht means as per u ur god want all people to follow 1 religion....but my question is....y isnt ur god happy if they r in differnt religion if he know the ultimate god is 1.

Actually u know, wht must have happen.....v all r from different part of world...v have our own ideas which differs from others but thank to god tht v belive in him....so in the same way our ultimate god is only 1 but only different is our communication mode...

For u to reach god is by praying 5 times a day, covering the body and so on...
But for me...if i fast, visit temple, going for pilgrimage, donation.....
i m sure all of us do almost the same......if the gods message is 1....and v follow tht and only few lines varies ....so y v have to specify on the lines which differ and not on the quotes which are similar.....so be happy with each other, atleast v r comman in something.....

I m really happy being hindu.....evn though i havent read bhagvatgeet till now....but i have understood the just by praying to god everyday....

Want to share a secret to u...i actually have a conversion with god....no,....just kidding....but he is my friend....i love him....
C i m sure ...even for u god must be ur best frnd...m i right or not???
So dont take tenion and dont give tension.....
For me its really not neccesary to read quran or bhagvatgeeta...or to hindu or muslim...to prove my god.....but meantime i m hindu and i have already started going for bhagvatgeet classes to increase my knowlege.....
But just be a good human being.....yes tht the comman message.......and i will follow tht phrase!!!!

dear sister chimusocute, i wish you all the very best, sincerely :) may you find what you are looking for. you are right, if you are convinced that hindu faith is right for you, it is a good idea to attend classes to increase your knowledge. that is what many of us muslims are doing here on turntoislam.com, trying to learn more about our own faith. Allah tells us to seek knowledge :) we do certainly have common ground as charity and looking after our elders are two very important things in Islam but our main difference as you know is that we believe in worshipping One God, ALLAH, subhanahu wa ta'ala, the Creator, and we worship nothing and no-one else.

anyway, this has been another very positive thread and i believe that you would have to agree that you were treated with a great deal of respect and we are not such a bad bunch, are we?!! i hope you will stay tuned to this website and remember us and think of your muslim neighbours in india. we are all ALLAH's (God's) creation after all :)

all the best,

catherine iman

adilazzalif
10-28-2008, 06:25 PM
I got this from vcd, thou could buy it at IRF (International Research Foundation) in India,if you want. Mr.Abdul Karim Naik is the president.

Similarities Between Hinduism and Islam And Who Is The Son of Vishnuyash?



CHANDOGYA UPANISHAD

6 section 2 verse 1 "Itkam ivitittiam"


YAJUR VEDA

32 verse 3 "Natasia patima asti"


SHVETASHVATARA UPHANISHAD

Chapter 4 verse 19 "Natasia patima asti"

chapter 4 verse 20 "His form can not be seen, no one could see Him by eyes"

Chapter 6 verse 9 "Nacasia kasic, janita nacandipa"


BHAGAVAD GITA

Chapter 7 verse 20 "All those that their intellegence have been stolen by material desires and they worship the demigods"

Chapter 10 verse 3 "He who knows Me as the unbound, the supreme lord of all the worlds"


YAJUR VEDA

ch.40 verse 8 "imageless & pure"

ch.40 verse 9 "Andhatma pravishanti assambhuti mupaste"


RIG VEDA


Book I hymn 164 verse 46 "Itkamsat veprabahuda abhudante"

Book 8 hymn 1 vese 1 "mactaniti san sat"

Book 2 hymn I verse 3

Book 6 hymn 4 verse 16 "yat itke mustihi"

God being called Allah or ilah in book 2 hymn 1 verse 21, book 3 hymn 30 verse 10, book 9 hymn 67 verse 30

The world "Allah" derived from Al ilah means the only God and is one person one God, without lesser God right ?. Different with God, Gods, Goddess.


BRAHMA SUTRA

"itkam brahma dati anaste nehna naste kincen" means bhagwan ehihe dusra nehihe, nehihe nehihe sarabi nehihe"



ATHARVA VEDA

Book 20 hymn 58 verse 3 "Demaha ashi"

Rig Veda : song of praises
Yajur Veda: sacrificial formula
Sama Veda: melody
Atharva Veda: magical formula

18 Principles of Upanishad
Smriti (memory) or Dharma Sastra this is less authentic
Itihas (Epics) : Ramayana & Mahabarata
Bhishma Purwa 25-42 (the main idea)

Purana: About Deities that come on this world and the creation of the universe
I say "Allah did not ask Satan to witness the creation of the universe and He just ask his angels to carry some mission from Him"
"Jin were a name for creatures that God created from fire. While angels were all made from light, and they are free beings but created without 'nafsu' and they never transgress God's order and message."

While Devils usually come from Jin, although a lot of human being became Satan, Satan means "adversary of God".

And some people believed that angels are daughters of Allah. Angels are not "gendered creatures"

Jin do procreation. Angels created by Allah, without parents.



ATHARVA VEDA

Book 20 hymn 127 shloka 1-14. in these he was revered as Kuntupsuktas, Narashangsa, Kaurama
Muhammad means man of praise worthy, in English.
In this mantras he was called "a camel riding Mama Rishi" and waswesh Rebb.
No Brahma is allow to ride a camel, in Manusmriti ch.11 verse 102

Book 20 hymn 21 verse 6 : Abhandu. prophet Muhammad was an orphan.


BHAGAVAD PURANA

Parva 3 Khand 3 adhyay 3 Shloka 10-27: about musalaman, he will guide the people, they will eat lawful meat and will not eat pigs, they will circumcised (men and women), they will do ablution, they are not clean by herbs and shrubs but through warfare, they won't grow tail on their hair, they will grow beards.

Khand 1 Adhyay 3 Shloka 25; "A saviour will be born in Vishnuyash house". Vishnuyash has the same meaning with Abdullah (servant of Allah), right ?


KALKI PURANA

Ch.2 verse 4 "In the house of Vishnuyash, will be born Kalki Autar

Ch.2 verse 5 "He will along with his 4 companions". Abu Bakar, Umar, Utsman and Ali.

Ch.2 verse 7 "Will be help by angel in the battle field". Look at QS. (Qur'an Surat) 8:9 (ch.8 verse 9), 3:125

Ch.2 verse "In the house of Vishnuyash, in the womb of Summati Kalki Autar will be born "(Summati has the same meaning with Aminah) Aminah means the faithful one or the peaceful one
Ch.2 verse 15 "Will be born at the first half on month of Madhop". The last prophet was born at 12 Rabiul 'Awwal, right ?



I don't know in what scripture, but In Uttarachika mantra 1500, the words are "A medi wil be given eternal law". The people wrote this cannot understand Ahmad,because there is no word like that in Sanskrit. A medi means "I alone"



Islam : Peace obtained through submitting to the will of Allah (God who we worship).


RIG VEDA

Book 3 hymn 29 verse 4: about "ilaispad," Makkah is called "Darul Aman" means a safe place." Prathvi", and Makkah does lie in the center of the earth, in Middle East.


BHAGAVAD GITA

ch.4 verse 22, about Punarjanam "next life". Scholar of the Vedas said that there are no reincarnation mentioned anywhere at Vedas. So, that the next life means after doomsday
nice explaination!

Munawar
10-29-2008, 03:45 AM
i m blessed by god...and i feel happy tht god is with me...just not bcoz i follow hinduism....but good as a person also......this wht every1 shd feel.....help the needy...take blessings from elders...love each n every human being.....
All these thing r really imp to leave a human beings....all these answers i read...i didnt get tht punch & tht pt tht y shd i convert.....tht means as per u ur god want all people to follow 1 religion....but my question is....y isnt ur god happy if they r in differnt religion if he know the ultimate god is 1.

Actually u know, wht must have happen.....v all r from different part of world...v have our own ideas which differs from others but thank to god tht v belive in him....so in the same way our ultimate god is only 1 but only different is our communication mode...

For u to reach god is by praying 5 times a day, covering the body and so on...
But for me...if i fast, visit temple, going for pilgrimage, donation.....
i m sure all of us do almost the same......if the gods message is 1....and v follow tht and only few lines varies ....so y v have to specify on the lines which differ and not on the quotes which are similar.....so be happy with each other, atleast v r comman in something.....

I m really happy being hindu.....evn though i havent read bhagvatgeet till now....but i have understood the just by praying to god everyday....

Want to share a secret to u...i actually have a conversion with god....no,....just kidding....but he is my friend....i love him....
C i m sure ...even for u god must be ur best frnd...m i right or not???
So dont take tenion and dont give tension.....
For me its really not neccesary to read quran or bhagvatgeeta...or to hindu or muslim...to prove my god.....but meantime i m hindu and i have already started going for bhagvatgeet classes to increase my knowlege.....
But just be a good human being.....yes tht the comman message.......and i will follow tht phrase!!!!

:salam2:
Hey chimusocute, You are so cute, I think you are onto something.

And you know you are very smart... you have presented a wonderful way to find out about God, about who he is and what he wants.

That is why I say you are not just so cute but so smart too... because your idea is so cool... Just let your mind free and come up with the design and make and shape of God and wallaa!!! You have a ready-made god of your own choosing in whatever colour or shape you want. What could be better than that! Better than your own personal god who you could even say godusocute. :astag:

If you think that whatever I have written above is not funny but is insulting and it angers you, then just think how much God Almighty will get angry when you call him monkey, cow, snake etc. If I call you monkey then you will get upset, but you don't think God will get upset when you call him monkey.

So HOW do you know what God is? You can't... you can only concoct stories about him and make him into whatever image comes to your mind, but God does not become that thing just because you made pictures. Just like you would not become a monkey or a cow or a snake if I make a picture of these animals and say this is Chimu. God is God. And since no one has seen God Almighty, so no one can define him.

So how would people know the truth about the true nature ofGod?
The answer is that, this is the reason God has sent down messangers in nearly all civilizations to tell people about the true nature of God. The messangers got revelations through God's angel, and then the messangers passed that information to the public. That is why all messangers came with some kind of miracle so that people would know that this person is not just making up things but whatever he is saying is true and is from God himself.

The last such messanger was Prophet Mohammad (Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him). He came with many miracles, but the main miracle given to him was Quran. A book which remained unaltered through out its history. There is no other book in the whole world which can claim that. Plus the true miracle comes whan someone reads it with sincerity of heart. And I can tell you that nearly all such person testifies that this book is nothing less than a miracle. No book on earth can claim that. And it is because this book was sent down from the creator of the heavens and the earth, from Almighty God Allah (SWT) who created you and me and everything else in this universe.

We cannot know the truth and details about God by just imagining. We can only find it through his final revelation called the Holy Quran.

:wasalam:

etoile_de_mer
10-29-2008, 04:06 AM
Hi Chimusocute..
i think u r very naive,..sorry for that..but by not reading the Qur'an u r escaping the reality..are u scared to know the truth!
life is not just about being good ..but u have to follow the way of life prescribed to all mankind.
Read about Islam..and compare it with hinduism. u will see the difference.
u seem to be an intelligent young person..
ask urself whether idols are worthy of worship?? they are just there idle..lifeless!
Ask Urselfwhether it is logic to pray created things n creatures besides the CREATOR!

take care
May Allah help u.

IbnAdam77
11-07-2008, 04:09 AM
hellow again

In the last post of you, you have mentioned your feelings in a correct way. In hinduism also, people who follow it are adviced to talk and mention their thinkings and openions in a friendly and in a good polite manner. So think once again about the behaviour that you had earlier and now. Will you be ever happy if we are like that towards hinduism?

Actually my dear you cant imagine how pleased we are, to hear from any human being in a polite manner eventhough our belief and thinking differs as Earth and Pluto. You cant guess the number of brothers and sisters who prays good for you, eventhough you behaved like that.

I appreciate you to go to the classes of Bhagwatgeet. As you are 23, now you are in a very good age to do a research about Islam and Hinduism. When you do it, you are more then welcome to ask questions and share your results here. Believe me, we muslims will never ask somebody to convert to Islam blindly but we appreciate them to do research about Islam and other Religions and the final choice is for them. So just start reading Bhagwatgeet and Quran. Do it in an open minded situation then inshaALLAH you will get a result.

Best of regards.

-IbnAdam-

majaan
11-07-2008, 10:16 AM
Chimu darling, hello :D

you see as a muslim we beleive everything is based on an intension and we will be reward according to our intensions. i am pleased to know your honest and you know why you want to convert to islam.in order to be with your boy friend. so thats your intension, basically. as young girl, i undrestand your feelings... but i want to address an important issue here and that is... i think you have been given a good oportunity to learn about truth, even though your initial intension was to be able to marry this guy, but i make dua allah guid you inshallah.

changing your religion, is an important change...it means ur changing your eternal, your identity...i can tell u one thing as a fact, its BIG change and it needs a STRONG reason to bring that change, doing it for the sake of a human being is nt sufficient to keep u going through this change...you will be left more confuse and you will realised that your faking...its nt a nice feeling trust me darling.

ok alhamdulellah you might beleive the brother is very nice etc thats why u want to spend the rest of your life with him, but ask your self what happens after that? lets assume u become muslim for the sake of this guys...everyone is happy THE END..wat next? what is there next n your life that can keep you going? thats nt a major goal is it? even to maitain your love after marriage you need a strong force to keep you going, to direct you....

ask your self, what is the purpose of life? is it only to have a good life, eat, sleep, drink, have kids and die? if your wise you would know that your here for a greater reason then this...and find out that reason...and i must tell u a truth and that is, go and search, you will not find a single religion that tells you what the PURPOSE of your life is...not a single religion that is logical, rational apart from Islam...

forget about the guys for time being, find out why you are here? where you will go and where you come from? what concept of God do YOU beleive in- nt something you have been following since childhood...but deeo down, who would you consider God? he must be Beyong creation? or part of creation? its common sense...i will advice you to look at islam with an open mind, and i hope you find your way... and remembre Allah is the one who guides... he choses who to guid and who not to guide.

in the meantime, plz do not hesitate to ask questions...we will be more happy to answer it to the best of out ability inshallah.ONE more thing, plz be careful of the sources you use. make sure its a trustworthy website, since there are alot of misconceptions there... this is a good website and also try QA islam...it always give evidence of Quran and Sunnah..

be as scientific as possible and be rational and i can tell you no other religion can fit with common sense more then Islam.

count on my words

xx

AZAM_SIDDIQUI
11-09-2008, 08:10 AM
THIS IS FOR BROTHER EESA 'ARE THERE MONOTHEISTIC HINDUS' -IS NOT TRUE ...BECAUSE HINDUISM IS A NAME FOR A RELIGION IN WHICH EVERYTHING GOES...AND YOU ARE A HINDU IF U CALL YOURSELF ONE.
ASK A HINDU TO DEFINE WHAT HINDUISM IS AND WATCH A SHIP SINK .

AZAM_SIDDIQUI
11-09-2008, 08:16 AM
BEING THE COMMON GOOD HUMAN BEING! - THATS THE EASIEST ESCAPE OUT THERE - LOVE IT.

AZAM_SIDDIQUI
11-09-2008, 08:22 AM
I SEEK REFUGE IN ALLAH FROM EVERY WHISPERING DEVIL..........{TALK ABOUT CONVERSATIONS WITH GOD .
EVEN BUSH TALKS TO gOD .
MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN ISLAM THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT COME TO MY HEART FOLLOWING THIS TOPIC
1LETS THANK ALLAH REALLY THANK ALLAH REALLY THANK ALLAH FOR MAKING ORREVERTING US TO ISLAM AND GIVING US THE STRENGTH TO FOLLOW ISLAM.
2JUST SEE FOR OUERSELVES THAT THE EXCUSES THESE PEOPLE GIVE ARE SAME AS THAT ALLAH SAYS THEY WILL SAY!
3 ASTRAY FROM THE PATH WITHOUT INNER STRENTGH AND SATAN FOR FRIEND.

IS A DREADFUL COMBINATION .....BUT WAS NOT THE PATH OF ISLAM OFFERED TO THEM?
ALLAH KNOWS BEST.AND WE ARE WITNESSES.

AZAM_SIDDIQUI
11-09-2008, 08:24 AM
AND BEFORE THE LAST BREATH EVERYONE HAS A CHANCE...

LAAA ILAHHA ILLALLLAH MUHAMMADUR RASOOLULLAH.

AZAM_SIDDIQUI
11-09-2008, 08:39 AM
AND I HAVE ALREADY SPOTTED THREE GODS IN THE STORY
1 PARENTS
2 BOY FRIEND
3 DEVIL
AND ACCORDING TO THREAD STARTER THERE ARE 33 CRORE OR SO LIKE SNAKE AND ELEPHANT 'GANESH' ETC .
SO THIS IS LIKE SPOT THE gOD,.sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ss

AZAM_SIDDIQUI
11-09-2008, 08:46 AM
May Allah protect from these pranks,desires and lust of the friends of devil.
muslim youth beware.
brotrhers and sisters please pray to Allah to save our innocent youth from these pranks of the devils where they try to win brownie points by converting others to islam thru marriage.it doesnt work that way.may Allah protect us.and all those who earnestly seek his protection

AZAM_SIDDIQUI
11-09-2008, 08:49 AM
sister tree i hope now that you have so many fellow brothers and sisters we can also have a share of your affection apart from the brother who first introduced you to islam. lol.

actually what happens is that when someone calls us to islam it is Allahs MERCY

a_stranger
11-09-2008, 08:59 AM
Dear Chim if someone you love send you a message Isn`t natural that you read the message with love and care ? how about the final message from our creator?

Heavendesired
11-09-2008, 11:00 AM
Asslam Walekum,

Hello frnds...i m a hindu from india...and have muslim boyfriend....but he want me to a muslim b4 i get married...for this my parents are against of it...but i want to get married to him....where ever i try to speak abt my conversion to islam in front of my mom....she explains to me everything written in Bhagvatgita(Hindu holy book)...and explains to me abt the great heros in Mahabharata(Hindu Epic)....at tht time i feel i shouldnt convert....but when i think abt my boyfriend ...i desperatly want to be with him

Please help....as i cant live without both of them(neither without my parents nor with my boyfriend)
Regards
Chimu

First of all, please do not convert for the sake of your friend. You should only convert after you have studied Islam, and have believed that there is only ONE Creator for this universe, ALLAH ( swt ), your friend should encourage you to do so, also you MUST maintain excellent relationship with your parents and do not disobey them. Pray to ALLAH swt to guide you to the truth, and please if you need any help, please do not hesitate to ask. Salam

Mixedup
11-09-2008, 11:16 AM
1 thing i will say i will never convert in ISLAM...i m really very happy with my religion.......I M A HINDU!!!! and i will not let another to convert...if they be close to god in their own religion....i will try my level best....i m just 23....but till i become 50 i can promise u tht i will be master in bhagvatgeet and all the vedas...

U say, dont be bais while reading quran....wht is the gurantee tht when ur Dr. Naik read it...he was not bais.....mark my word and u will remember me....

WOW

Sorry to disappoint but I will not remember you for anything other than coming to an Islamic site as a guest and preaching Hinduism in a non constructive manner. I would never do anything to insult anothers beliefs.
No brother or sister will be affected by your posts other than feeling that actually ALLAH (swt) guides all to seek information and guidance and the fact you are here shows me just that.