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Ferrari1981
07-21-2006, 08:41 PM
I noticed some of you people have the number 786 on you name tags, which tells me you have not understood the meaning of the number.

We are meant to understand that '786' stands for 'Bismillahi Rahmaan Raheem'. How did it come about, and who started it?

Assalamu alykum, Bismillahi Rahmaani Raheem.

"786" - Does it stand for 'Bismillahi Rahmaani Raheem'?
We are meant to understand that '786' stands for 'Bismillahi Rahmaani Raheem'. How did it come about, and who started it? The numeral 786 in no way represent ‘Bismillahi Rahmaani Raheem’ and is not the Sunnat way. If one fears abuse of the letter, etc. 'Bismillahi Rahmaani Raheem' should be recited verbally at the beginning of the letter which will suffice for the written script. Refer below.


CAN NUMBER 786 REPLACE THE HOLY NAME OF GOD?
The innovation of writing '786' replacing 'Bismillahi Rahmaani Raheem' has been adopted for a long time and the majority of the Ummah is still indulged in it advertently. Apart from the common folk, the scholars also heed no attention towards it and to avoid disrespect to the Holy Words they use it in their letters and documents. They adopt it as 'correct' and 'better' way to invite Allah's blessings and have also started replacing the Holy Words by this number on their houses, offices, buildings, etc.

Unfortunately, this tendency is gradually gaining momentum. But, do we see this number instead of the Holy Words in the Holy Quran? Or, can we write it there as well? Can we remove 'Bismillahi Rahmaani Raheem' from the top of Surah al-Faatiha and replace it with the number 786? Obviously not. If we study the Quran, we see it carries the holy words in a letter from Prophet Solomon (pbuh) to the Queen of Sheeba - Bilqis - who was an infidel at that time. Even Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in his letters to different heads of states and governments, used the holy words at the top.
Therefore, whosoever uses ‘786’ with the intention to obtain Allah's blessings, is a misguided person and any attempt to justify it, is ignorance. More astonishing is that fact that '786' is an aggregation of the numbers of Hindu 'Lord Hari Krishna'. H(a)iri Kr(i)shna h-5, r-200, r-10, k-20, r-200, sh-300, n-50, a-1 = Aggregate of 786.

Thus, the aggregate number of these letters (Hari Krishna) equals 786. This is also the case of 'Bismillahi Rahmaani Raheem'. Therefore, it is necessary to avoid using this number to avoid the danger of being indulging in infidelity.
Islam's foundation is laid on the belief in Tawheed (oneness of God). If we associate anyone with Allah's exalted names orally or practically, we would be committing infidelity that is an unpardonable sin.
The Quran warns us, one who finds a rival against Allah, Allah will never allow him to enter paradise, and his abode is the hell. The letters by the Prophet (pbuh) to non-Muslim Kings and chiefs bear the holy words 'Bismillahi Rahmaani Raheem'. This was also the case of his noble companions. Did the Prophet (pbuh) and his companions respect the Holy Words less than we do? Was the verse, 'Today I completed your religion for you', revealed to the Prophet (pbuh) or to the so-called scholars of our age who are all bent to amend the Divine principles.

Now, when it became known that '786' is written in place of Hindu, 'Lord Krishna', and has no significance in the Holy Quran and Sunnah, it is obviously an innovation and goes against the Divine doctrine of 'Obey Allah and His Prophet'. Similarly, some Muslims replace Allah's name by the number '66' and the Prophet's name by '92'. But if one ask, the number '420' is used against somebody's name and he is called '420'. Can he bear such an insult? Calling someone by a nick name is a sin. Allah Ta'ala says, 'Don't call one another by nick names'. If Allah prohibits the use of nicknames for fellow human beings, how can He allow the use of such insulting replacement number for Himself and His Prophet (pbuh). 'Bismillahi Rahmaani Raheem' great significance in the Quran and Muslims are ordered to begin any work but in the names Allah, not in the number of '786' or any other substitution.

Fozail Aqdas Ghazali
The Message
Saudi Gazette, Friday - September 29 1995

Umm Aysha
07-21-2006, 08:57 PM
Asalaam

I neva actually read up on dat, its quite interesting. It was in the heat of moment wen i had to pic a name and dat no jus popped in2 my head.
im sowee i wil see if i can change it

W/salaam

Mabsoot
07-21-2006, 09:28 PM
:salam2:

Thank you for that....... jazakallahu khayr

Akilah
12-15-2006, 10:43 AM
this is interesting, so where did the idea of 786 come from? i also heard about 786/92?

BintMuhammad
12-15-2006, 11:01 AM
Jazakallaahu Khayr for posting that..There's even a male group of nasheed performers called 786 :astag: but I must admit they are good with what they're doing :ma:

ShaheedU
12-16-2006, 07:20 PM
Jazakallaahu Khayr for posting that..There's even a male group of nasheed performers called 786 :astag: but I must admit they are good with what they're doing :ma:

what they are doing cant be good as it is music. they use instruments, loads of them. and we know music is haraam.

i dont mean to rude when writing the above but it needs to be said.

BintMuhammad
12-17-2006, 02:14 AM
Thanks for emphasizing on that brother. What I meant was they can perform well although what they're doing is haraam.

nasir89ah
12-17-2006, 05:00 PM
my first time seeing or hearing that ...........wow 786..............so does 666 really stand for shaytan

Durriyyah
12-17-2006, 07:54 PM
my first time seeing or hearing that ...........wow 786..............so does 666 really stand for shaytan

:salam2:

I heard that 666 came from the idea that shaytan was the sixth brother of the sixth brother of the sixth brother or something... it really doesn't mean anything. Just like people in the US think that 420 stands for the police code for marijuana and some other number is homicide or whatever. They are all things that someone made up at some time and people just went with it.

The only number > word meaning I know that has any reality is 731 - seven letters, three words, one meaning: I love you :hijabi: But that is just because I think it is cute. :hijabi:

:wasalam:

Abdul Hasib
12-17-2006, 08:00 PM
6/6/06. Yeah, people and priests got scared and beleived that.

ifrah26
12-17-2006, 08:27 PM
:salam2: i always thought that as the nasheed group who :astag: shoulden't even use music only daff is aloud jaza khala khair for the infor:wasalam:

nasir89ah
12-17-2006, 09:20 PM
:salam2:

I heard that 666 came from the idea that shaytan was the sixth brother of the sixth brother of the sixth brother or something... it really doesn't mean anything. Just like people in the US think that 420 stands for the police code for marijuana and some other number is homicide or whatever. They are all things that someone made up at some time and people just went with it.

The only number > word meaning I know that has any reality is 731 - seven letters, three words, one meaning: I love you :hijabi: But that is just because I think it is cute. :hijabi:

:wasalam:

731 awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww:SMILY252: :SMILY252: :SMILY252: :SMILY252: :SMILY252: :SMILY252: :SMILY252: :wavyarms: :wavyarms: :wavyarms: :wavyarms: :wavyarms: :wavyarms: :wavyarms: :wavyarms: :wavyarms: :wavyarms: awwwwwwwwwww thaat is so cute seven letters 3 words....1 meaning ...i luv u tooo

ShaheedU
12-18-2006, 06:12 PM
hate to be the bearer of bad news but "i love you" has 8 letters in it. so it would be 831.

sorry for bursting ur bubble.
salam

ShaheedU
12-18-2006, 06:15 PM
Thanks for emphasizing on that brother. What I meant was they can perform well although what they're doing is haraam.

sorry my fault , i misunderstood.

Globalpeace
12-27-2006, 01:18 PM
Asslamo Allaikum,

As someone who grew up in Pakistan I read up the ABJD (Alif Ba Jeem Daal) system as this was the predominant counting system during the Islamic empire, Indian Civil Service (ICS) under the British-rule and earlier on in Pakistan government. This system is based on Persian which was the language of upper-class.

As a matter of fact the Pakistani National Identity Card Form for children (to be filled out when you have a baby) is still called “Baa Form” in Urdu as is various sections of Pakistani penal system and Marriage certificate (Nikah-Nama). It is an effective counting system for administrative work and was widely used; although it is now almost extinct as Pakistan now uses Urdu and not many people use Persian as a medium.

Children in India/Pakistan are still told that letters should always be started with “786” instead of “Bismillah…”…Books in India/Pakistan still start with “786” so if the letter is thrown away or the page is discarded etc. the name of Allah (SWT) is not disrespected…

A fine logical reason till you consider the following:

1) I have copies of the letters of Rasul-ullah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) written to Non-Muslims inviting them to Islam beginning with “Bismillah…” as dictated by Rasul-ullah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) himself…If I get around to it I will gladly scan & upload it for all to see…

After examining the evidence from Rasul-ullah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) I stopped using this system as there is nothing that remains to be examined or proven or done…

When I teach Asian children there are many who use “786” so I tell them to start reading the Qur’aan when they start with “Bismillah…” I say STOP! Why didn’t you start with “786”? They say that they have to start the Qur’aan with “Bismillah…” so I argue that I thought you said that “786” is “Bismillah…” then they say not really (& so on) so I tell them to stop using it & the penny drops!

talibulislam
12-27-2006, 03:13 PM
we dont belive in horoscops or mathamatic figurs,its superstition,don't see any alim saying some thing or never heard any reference by any alim about 786,would love to know if any but to me bismillah cnnot b replace by numbers,other wise future quran might change into book of math.
allah knows the best
jazakallah khair

Globalpeace
12-27-2006, 03:33 PM
Asslamo Allaikum,

Precisely

Marwa17
12-27-2006, 04:30 PM
Jazakallahu khairan brother...i'm probably the one that was least aware...lol...i thought it was a music group...lol

Basicofislam
12-27-2006, 05:40 PM
:salam2: That was a great article. Shukran.

3assal
12-28-2006, 12:11 AM
thank you for that post. My friend asked me about 786, i will forward this link to her. Jazak Allah khair.

Albint_Almuslima
12-28-2006, 02:25 AM
:salam2:
Wow, this site can really make one benifit. I never even knew that numbers can symbolize or mean something.

Thank you for letting me know, its nice to learn something new.

Walsalam

Mabsoot
01-19-2007, 01:32 PM
Assalamu alaykum

Obviously, this has NOTHING to do with Islam.. Just incase anybody is that ... anyway... if person was thinking that, read the Articles to do with shirk, Bidah, Tawheed.. Aqeedah.. Learn Islam!!

Fundamental Beliefs in Islam Tawheed and Aqeedah (http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=15)


wasalam.

hussain.mahammed
01-19-2007, 05:42 PM
The wrong belief of 786 (http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6525)

jazakumullah khair

shari
07-06-2008, 10:04 AM
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركات

nice post

zakiyah
07-06-2008, 10:21 AM
:salam2:
jazakallah kheir for sharing.i always thought 786 is short of BISMILLAH HIRAHMA NIRAHEEM.:shymuslima1:
MAY ALLAH SWT FORGIVE US AMEEN:tti_sister:

thanx once again:SMILY126::SMILY105::SMILY126::SMILY105::SMIL Y126::SMILY105:

sadia_21
07-07-2008, 04:41 PM
salam alaikum

Jazakallah khair...
This was really needed for all of us to read.
Mostly in indian-and pakistani belief this is seen...Don't know how things are just innovated like that only.Weird.

Hope we follow the right path. Ameen.

Take care.
Allah hafiz*

amirah80
07-07-2008, 05:08 PM
:salam2:

Fatwa 259 IQA

The number 786 means 786 and nothing more
Salam
What does the number 786 mean. Please be detialed. I heard it does not mean Bimillah and I would like to know why not..
Salam


The number 786 means 786 and nothing more!

When Allah or His messenger want to teach us something, they do so in the clearest way, far from puzzles and mystery numbers. All the efforts made by some Muslims to count letters and relate them to numbers are nothing but a waste of time. Sometimes they do so with good intention to show that our deen is great. Indeed our deen is great, and not in need of such erroneous approaches.



Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

m.r.sidiqui
07-07-2008, 05:12 PM
Dear bro & Sis,
It is really a informative article may Allah SWT make his or her knowledge more. I wantedd to add on this article which i want to give to all the people who prefer i writing 786 or 92 etc, that can we all people make our name into numerical like arshad = 123, or Abd al Rahman = 99. Yes and what will happen if this thing get familiar to your friends and they start calling you by that number like hey 99 or hii 123. WOULD YOU LIKE IT?? Most probably you would say NO, so if that number which is not liked by you, how could you adopt that number for the most precious thing which creater had created. Would you think that doing all this our creater would be happy with please think twice before using these number. These are the steps shaitan to make muslim away from Quran. And he (shaitan)(devil) is succeeding in his act so please do what the Nabi PBUH has done and ordered us to do.Thanks
Jazzakallah Khair

amirah80
07-07-2008, 05:20 PM
Dear bro & Sis,
It is really a informative article may Allah SWT make his or her knowledge more. I wantedd to add on this article which i want to give to all the people who prefer i writing 786 or 92 etc, that can we all people make our name into numerical like arshad = 123, or Abd al Rahman = 99. Yes and what will happen if this thing get familiar to your friends and they start calling you by that number like hey 99 or hii 123. WOULD YOU LIKE IT?? Most probably you would say NO, so if that number which is not liked by you, how could you adopt that number for the most precious thing which creater had created. Would you think that doing all this our creater would be happy with please think twice before using these number. These are the steps shaitan to make muslim away from Quran. And he (shaitan)(devil) is succeeding in his act so please do what the Nabi PBUH has done and ordered us to do.Thanks
Jazzakallah Khair

Salam

Jazak Allah Khair. Good Point and it is also a form of bid'ah. If we were to use this numbers it would have clearly been written. Islam is not a religion of confusion and trying to calculate based of numbers and try to formulate ideas based off of that is confusing. Islam is simple no need to complicate things. But in that sames regards Jazak Allah Khair for this thread because I never knew about using 786 for it was informative I just hate that some muslims actually entertain this by accepting this into their lifestyle.:astag: