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sister harb

11-08-2006, 10:55 AM

Judeo-Nazi army commits huge massacre in Gaza
By Khalid Amayreh
Nov 8, 2006, 09:17

Beit Hanun - The Israeli occupation army on Wednesday killed at least 25 Palestinian, mostly women and children in northern Gaza and the West Bank, apparently taking advantage of international media preoccupation with the mid-term American elections.

Medical sources in Gaza said Israeli tanks fired artillery shells on densely populated residential neighborhoods in northern Gaza, killing and maiming “dozens” of innocent men, women and children.

Medics and rescue crews said they were still counting the number of the victims some of whose bodies were badly mutilated.

Many of the badly injured were in critical conditions and the death toll was likely to rise, witnesses said.

An eyewitness who identified himself as Abu Yousuf said he saw a decapitated child’s head.

“It was a real massacre. We are talking about heavy artillery shells weighing hundreds of pounds hitting homes packed with women and children. Even the Nazis didn’t do that.

“It was like a slaughterhouse, only here we have humans instead of animals.”

Another witness, Ra’ed Hasanin, accused the Israeli army of “indiscriminately, knowingly and deliberately slaughtering our children very much like the Nazis killed Jewish children at concentration camps.

“The Nazis may have used gas chambers to kill their enemies. But the Nazis of our time, the Jews, are exterminating Palestinian children, using artillery and warplanes. The result is the same, the mentality is the same.

“This is a cowardly army, when they face well-armed fighters, they cry like cowards. Here, they are targeting and killing unarmed and totally unprotected children and women and they are calling this armed clashes and war.”

Most of the deaths occurred when Israeli artillery shells fired by Israeli tanks outside the Beit Hanun neighborhood hit homes where families were asleep.

Following the massacre, the Palestinian cabinet went into session to discuss the latest killings in Beit Hanun.

No statement was issued, but one official speaking off the record intimated that the situation in Gaza was “catastrophic.”

The cabinet was expected though to ask for an urgent meeting of the UN Security Council to stop the ongoing killings in northern Gaza.

The United States, far from denouncing the killings or criticizing Israel, this week blamed the Palestinians for “the latest escalation.”

It is widely believed that Jewish lobbies such as AIPAC controls, nearly completely, American politics and policies with regard to the Middle East, which explains America’s reluctance to criticize Israeli policies and practices, which are often starkly incompatible with international law.

A Palestinian spokesperson described the latest killings as “a real genocide.”

“They are killing and maiming dozens of civilians per day, today they killed 25, yesterday they killed 11, and tomorrow they will murder 15 or 20. You see, our children have become mere numbers, not human beings. This is a real genocide and Israel is likely to go on and on and on with the slaughter taking advantage of the Arab world’s total impotence, America’s acquiescence to the killing and Europe’s indifference,” said Nizar Agha, a government spokesman.

He said the blood of innocent Palestinian children shed by the “Israeli Nazis” will be on President Bush’s hands and (British Prime Minister’s Tony) Blair’s hands as well as on the hands of Arab and Muslim leaders who watch the killings from their palaces and do nothing.

The Israeli army, unconcerned about criticisms of the wanton killings in Gaza, said it was checking reports in this regard.

An Israeli army spokesman said rather laconically: “We don’t’ target innocent civilians,” but added, “in war mistakes happen.”

On Tuesday, the Israeli army killed 12 Palestinians, most of them innocent civilians in Beit Hanun in northern Gaza. At least four people were killed when Israeli tanks fired a shell at the home of a Palestinian lawmaker, Jamila Al-Shanti, who had organized a non-violent protest outside a Gaza mosque on Friday, 3 November.

All in all, the Zio-Nazi army killed over 95 Palestinians, most of them women and children, since the latest “pacification foray” into northern Gaza started on 1st November.

The Israeli army, in which fanatical Talmudic racists who view non-Jews as animals or lesser human beings have a dominant presence, said the wholesale killing of Palestinians was aimed at stopping the firing onto Israeli settlements of the innocuous homemade projectiles known as Qassam missiles.

However, human rights organizations assert that the real Israeli aim is to kill as many Palestinians (civilians and activists) as possible in order to subjugate the Palestinian people.

Israel nominally withdrew from the Gaza Strip in August last year, ending 39 years of direct military occupation.

However, since then the Israeli army killed in nearly daily artillery and aerial bombardment of Palestinian population centers over 800 Palestinians, mostly innocent civilians.

According to medical sources and Palestinian Health Ministry in Gaza, 200 hundred children and minors were among the victims.

Israel has also been clamping a hermetic siege on Gaza’s 1.4 million Palestinians, barring them from accessing food and work.

© Copyright palestine-info.co.uk

sister harb

11-09-2006, 07:36 AM

Nasrallah calls for arms and medicines to be sent to the Palestinians
Date: 09 / 11 / 2006 Time: 09:32

Bethlehem -Ma'an - The secretary-general of the Lebanese political party and armed group Hezbollah, Hassan Nasrallah, has stressed the need to deliver money and arms to the Palestinians. This appeal came following the Israeli bloody attack on Beit Hanoun in the northern Gaza Strip on Wednesday, in which 20 Palestinian citizens were killed, including large numbers of women and children.

Nasrallah said in a statement, "We must deliver money, arms and medicine to the Palestinian people."

Nasrallah asked, "Where are the Arabs? Where are the Arab rulers? Where are their proud people? Where is the resounding angry cry in the face of the butchers? "
Nasrallah added, "Children are children from Qana to Beit Hanoun and women are women. The blood is one, the destiny is one and the battle is one".

Nasrallah demanded that the Arab League hold an emergency meeting of foreign ministers in order to discuss the repercussions of this massacre and ways to respond.

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And for those whose say that shias are not muslims at all... :angryblue: sometimes seems they are more muslims than sunnis! And I am not shia.

OmarTheFrench

11-09-2006, 07:59 AM

Allah is Great trust in him and be patient.

All traitor of Muslims governement will paid here of hereafter. (Allah knows best)

sister harb

11-09-2006, 08:16 AM

Allah is Great trust in him and be patient.

And Allah helps those whose are ready to help themselves... ;)

OmarTheFrench

11-09-2006, 08:22 AM

Its for that I say be patient sister :D

Mabsoot

11-09-2006, 09:15 AM

And for those whose say that shias are not muslims at all... :angryblue: sometimes seems they are more muslims than sunnis! And I am not shia.

Assalamu Alaykum,

Please do not comment on these things when there is a lot more to these issues then what AlJazeera or any other news organisation has to say.

I myself was in Lebanon just over 1 year ago and understand the situation of the Muslims there and its history. I also visited Palestinian refugee camps.

It is easy to get angry and we are in desperate need of help from our Muslim brothers and sisters. But, we need to think things through and make wise decisions and comments. InshaAllah. :) So, let me explain some things with regards to these people:

First of All, Hassan NAsrallah Openly spoke against Sahaba, i have video of this on my computer, if you really want i can share it here. But, it is rather disgusting. He speaks ill of Sahaba like Abu Sufyan and hense bad words about the Ahlus-Sunnah.

How can an evil man like that, who calls the mother of the believers a prostitute, who ridicules and curses our Beloved Sahaba like Abu Bakr and Umar be a hero ? He is not a hero, rather he and his men are like the Zionist Jews of Israel. They are a threat to Muslims, and this has been seen in their history.

If you live in Beirut long enough, you will hear of their conspiracies and their killing and torture. Look at Iraq now, with Moqtada Sadr and his torture and death squads which go around kidnapping men, women and children and torturing them to death. Is this what you want in Palestine and in Lebanon?

Secondly, these people are not to be trusted. Nasrallah killed many Sunni in Lebanon and Hizbullah were responsible for many atrocities during the Lebanon wars.

Thirdly, ALL my Beiruti Friends mention an incident where the Hizbullah threw away the food meant for the Sunni Muslims. AND they threw away food that was given to the poor by the Sunnis. They said they would never accept food from the Sunni people. They even rejected shelter in a School because it had the name of Sahabi Abu Bakr on it. The School's name contained the names of the Sahaba, so they did not stay there. Astaghfirullah.

How can Muslims be so gullible to think the Shia really mean to help Muslims or be allies with the Sunni?

I am beginning to think that they assassinated our lovely and kind leader Rafiq Hariri, Rahimahullah. He was a Sunni, he was so kind to all the Muslims and would give support to students at Islamic universities all over the world.

Now, that he is gone, the Hizbullah are making advantage of the low security. They have kidnapped people, assassinated people.

They threaten to take over the whole of Lebanon. We will see in the coming months what they plan to do. They might try and organise all their sheep to do a massive protest. Perhaps 200,000 people in order to take over and get rid of the Lebanese Government. This will be a big problem.

The Hizbullah do not care about civillian deaths, all they want is power and to extend the non-Muslim kufr and extremist rules of their Iranian Ayatollahs on all the Muslims.

May Allah help our Muslim brothers and sisters around the world and make them victorious against their oppressors Ameen!

sister harb

11-09-2006, 09:30 AM

Salaam alaykum

sorry I didn´t meant to insult anybody, just said my own opinion. Again sorry but I am thinking as most of Palestinians in this case.

Who really murdered Rafiq Hariri might be other thing what doesn´t belong to this topic. Hezballah, Syrians, Zionists...

But let me ask this one

Thirdly, ALL my Beiruti Friends mention an incident where the Hizbullah threw away the food meant for the Sunni Muslims.

Your friends aren´t shias, aren´t they? If not, you have heard only half of the whole story.

your little :shymuslima1:

yasmin623

11-09-2006, 10:21 AM

Assalamualaikum...

Brother Mabsoot,

Hassan Nasrallah and Hizbullah seemed to become the hope of Lebanon after their recent victory. If so, it is truly sad...:girl3: Do you really have solid prove of what you said about them? Your video came from a reliable source?

Whatever it is, the fact is that they, at least, did something for our muslim bros & sis. in Lebanon compared with the nearby but silent arabic countries.

AhmedARH

11-09-2006, 10:59 AM

the palestinians may be massacred and only a few words of condolences are offered by the international community, including the UN or should i say US. no sanctions on the israelies, but simple words to say how shocked they are..

OmarTheFrench

11-09-2006, 11:13 AM

The governments of Muslims country aren't better...

The only is Chavez who isn't Muslim...

ibnAbdullah87

11-09-2006, 01:38 PM

At the end of the day it is not the amount of non-muslims one kills or what state one fights for that makes them muslim but it is wheather or not they have the correct beliefs and the shia don't they cures angle Jabril the one whom Allah trusted with bring the message to the Prophet:saw2: they were the ones who started grave worshipping in this ummah before the sufis. They make takfeer of some of the shahab that the Messenger of Allah :saw2: gave glade tiding to and informed them that they will be in Jannah. They say they call the mother of the believers a prostitute after Allah has cleared her of that. It is their believes that cause us to hate them and how can we work with them when they are more of a threat to us then the jews they are fighting. If they when and gain power they will come to take over the two holy lands and start doing shirk is that what we want and one of their ayatollahs said once they get into Medina they will dig up the body of Aisha (radiyllahu anha) the most beloved to our Prophet :saw2: and put the punishment for zinaa on here so well we be the ones to help them do that. They are a sick. So after this I hope you change your opinion because this is how the shia are and you need to know who you are dealing with. O yeah they also say the Quran is not complete.

sister harb

11-09-2006, 02:37 PM

Even some other leader is interesting to help Palestine, than only Nasrallah:

Akef calls for expelling Israeli ambassadors from Arab, Islamic capitals
By
Nov 9, 2006, 09:40

Gaza - Dr. Mohammed Mahdi Akef, the leader of the Muslim Brotherhood group, has urged the Arab and Islamic governments to expel all Israeli ambassadors from their countries and to end all dealings with the "Zionist gangs".

Akef, speaking to the Gaza-based "Sout Al-Aqsa" radio station, said that he was ready to donate his blood and to sacrifice his sons and whatever he owns in defense of the Palestinian people and of their right to live in dignity.

The leader of the influential group, which has more than 80 deputies in the Egyptian parliament, also stressed that the Israeli-inspired and American-led "oppressive siege" against the Palestinian people should be lifted, hailing the PA government for its steadfastness in face of pressures.

Akef was commenting on the IOF troops' massacre in Beit Hanun on Wednesday that claimed the lives of 20 Palestinian civilians mostly women and children and wounded more than 40 others.

© Copyright palestine-info.co.uk

Mabsoot

11-09-2006, 03:12 PM

Assalamu alaykum,

You guys do know that Khaled Mishal and Hamas went to Russia and met with mass murderering Putin?

When he was asked about the Chechen Muslim people, he basically said he didnt care.

So, how are we going to succeed:

Importance of Tawheed in Reviving the Ummah (http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=518)

The Current State of the Muslim World (http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=99)

Why Muslims are Weak Today (http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=519)

wasalam.

sister harb

11-09-2006, 03:31 PM

Assalamu alaykum,

You guys do know that Khaled Mishal and Hamas went to Russia and met with mass murderering Putin?

When he was asked about the Chechen Muslim people, he basically said he didnt care.

So... situation is quite difficult when "non-muslims" and mass murderers help in issue of Palestine but fellow muslim leaders don´t. In Ma'an News page was good new few days ago about Palestinian cartoon:

Palestinian cartoon touches a political nerve

Date: 06 / 11 / 2006 Time: 16:15

http://www.mahjoob.com/aecartoons/b7f3aa7dfcff8ed.jpg

Bethlehem - Ma'an - A caricature in the Monday issue of the Al Quds Palestinian newspaper has touched a nerve. It compares a historical story with contemporary events and attitudes. In the historic story, a Muslim woman calls upon the Muslim caliph for help, saying "Wa, wa, motasima", meaning "Motasim, help me!" The message eventually reaches the caliph through his agents, and so the caliph sends armies to help the woman.

The cartoonist compares this with the contemporary televised appeals of Palestinian women; crying and calling for Arab and Muslim leaders for help, with no one listening, even though they listen to these cries directly through the television and other mass media.

The caricature itself shows a man listening to the news and seeing a woman from Beit Hanoun crying, calling for Arab and Muslim leaders to help Palestinians. The minute he sees the news, however, he changes the channel, in order to watch a famous Lebanese singer (Haifa-a Wahbi) and her song, "Bous El Wawa" ["kiss the pain"].

ibnAbdullah87

11-09-2006, 04:06 PM

Sister you should take this into account I took this from Importance of Tawheed in Reviving the Ummah posted by Brother Mabsoot

Allaah has made it clear that victory will not be given to the Muslims unless they focus on what He mentioned - establishing the prayer, paying zakaah, commanding what is good, and forbidding what is evil.

Where are these affairs with the Muslims and their current situations today? Where is the establishment of the prayer by most of the Muslims? Or even more importantly, where is the correct 'aqeedah for most of those who claim Islaam as their religion?!

Allaah says: “Allaah has promised those of you who believe and do righteous deeds that He will cause them to rule the earth just as He caused those who came before them to rule it, and He will grant them the ability to practice their religion, the one He chose for them, and He will change their fears into safety.” [Surah: An-Noor: 55]

But where is the very first condition for this promise? “…(providing) that they worship Me without ascribing a single partner to Me.” [Surah An-Noor: 55]

So He clarified that this gaining of authority and fortification will only come to pass when this condition is fulfilled - that they worship Him alone without any partners, and this is the essence of tawheed. These generously promised things will not be granted except to those who understand and apply tawheed, worshipping Allaah alone with no partners, with acts of worship including prayer, zakaah, Hajj, and all other acts of obedience.

Note that Allaah, Glorified and Exalted, did not say: "they worship Me" only, rather He followed that up with His Statement: “...without ascribing a single partner to Me.”
That is because worship is of no benefit with the presence of shirk. All forms of shirk must be avoided, no matter what shape, form, or name. Shirk simply means to perform an act of worship for other than Allaah, the Mighty and Majestic.

This is what brings about true salvation, safety, victory, and strength in the land - correcting the 'aqeedah and then correcting the deeds. Without this, disasters and punishments will continue to befall whoever does not completely fulfill the condition (for Allaah's Aid). Being conquered by the enemies is only the result of the Muslims not fulfilling this necessary condition, their lack of proper concern for their 'aqeedah and religion, and their contentment with carrying Muslim names and nothing more.

sister harb

11-09-2006, 08:47 PM

Sister you should take this into account I took this from Importance of Tawheed in Reviving the Ummah posted by Brother Mabsoot

Salaam alaykum

and thanks for your kindly comment. I will read it carefully and by thinking. But still I can´t stop my respect to Hizballah and the idea that Nasrallah was the first muslim leader who strongly condemned that massacre of Beit Hanuun. I respect Hizballah by its acts not by religionally meanings.

your sister in Islam
:shymuslima1:

ibn azem

11-09-2006, 09:08 PM

:salam2:

Sister my I kindly ask you whether you know what "harb" means?

Wassalaam.

sister harb

11-09-2006, 09:30 PM

"Harb" is my own family name so yes I know the meaning is "war".

ibn azem

11-09-2006, 09:43 PM

:salam2:

No probs with that sister, just thought you used it as a nick!

Umrahma

11-10-2006, 03:41 AM

Assalaumu aalaikum sister

I totally agree with you on hizbullah, We call ourselfs muslims yet we accept help from non muslims. the non muslims disrespect our prophet and Allah swt. We must unite and not fight amongst us this what the west wants divide and conquer.

flim

11-10-2006, 05:08 AM

Assalamu Alaykum,

First of All, Hassan NAsrallah Openly spoke against Sahaba, i have video of this on my computer, if you really want i can share it here. But, it is rather disgusting. He speaks ill of Sahaba like Abu Sufyan...

...How can an evil man like that, who calls the mother of the believers a prostitute, who ridicules and curses our Beloved Sahaba like Abu Bakr and Umar be a hero ? ...

...The Hizbullah do not care about civillian deaths, all they want is power and to extend the non-Muslim kufr and extremist rules of their Iranian Ayatollahs on all the Muslims.

May Allah help our Muslim brothers and sisters around the world and make them victorious against their oppressors Ameen!

Bismillahir Rahman aRaheem
Salaamu Alaikum,

I visit the site for quran & video downloads and never comment or anything like that, but this time I need to.

Mabsoot:
When someone says "la ilaha ilallah wa muhammad rasulallah" (as the so-called shiites do) and yet you take it upon yourSELF to proclaim these people non-Muslim kufr, either this ENTIRE group is non-Muslim kufr, or YOU yourself become a non-Muslim kufr. In the eyes of Allah, making takfir is a serious thing not to be played with. Are you willing to gamble your soul on the assumption that EVERY single one of these "shiites" are non-Muslim kufr?

Mabsoot:
Since you offered it, please provide forum members with the video of Hassan Nasrallah calling "the mother of the believers a prostitute" and "cursing" beloved sahaba like Abu Bakr and Umar.

As for Abu Sufyan, what qualms does any Muslim have about pointing out/remembering the fact that he was one of Rasulallah's staunchest enemies among all the mushrikoon? That he tortured, starved and oppressed the Muslims? That he tried to kill Rasulallah? That he was a drunkard adulterer married to the woman, Hind, that had Hamza killed and mutilated him? That this sahabah's, and I use the term very loosely, shahada came at the very last possible second, right before Rasulallah entered Mecca triumphantly. Are we not allowed to remember his various adventures against Rasuallah? Are we not allowed to reflect and think?

Now I'm digressing and I don't mean to make this long. My point is you attack in the most vicious way possble, rejecting entire people's Islam. You throw down a serious gauntlet. You say Hizbullah is like Zionist Israelis?! I believe the reason "Muslims are weak today" because we don't follow the example of Rasulallah and the Quran. 8:46, 49:10, 5:54, 26:215.

Allah knows best. May Allah guide us to the straight path. May He grant us unity rather than firqahs and disunity.

Masalaam

yasmin623

11-10-2006, 05:09 AM

Assalamualaikum,

Bro ibnabdullah87...

This time I agree with you totally. As a muslim, I think we all feel very sad about what happened in Gaza or Palestine and Lebanon. But the only thing we can do is correct our own aqeedah and pray to Allah. Nobody can actually help except Almighty Allah. We pray to Allah to open the mind and soften the heart of the muslim worldwide especially muslim leaders to unite and help our unfortunate bros and sis there...:SMILY176:

About Hizbullah and Hassan Nasrallah, I would be appreciate if you could give more information on them. The mass media in my country are really giving them good evaluation after their victory in Lebanon. If they are what you and Bro. Mabsoot described, it is extremely dangerous also for them to gain the power. Anyway, their contribution lately could not be denied.

flim

11-10-2006, 05:17 AM

Salaam Alaikum,

If you want info on who/what Hizbullah is, why not get it direct. I believe this is their site.
http://www.moqawama.org/

yasmin623

11-10-2006, 05:41 AM

Thank you...Interesting sites indeed...

But of course if they are prepared to climb up to be on the top of the power with the support of the muslim world, they won`t show anything bad in their sites...

However, I think we should really appreciate of what they have done so far...We pray to Allah for their true and sincere intention...:redface:

dna1987

11-10-2006, 05:57 AM

Wow, this discussion has certainly gone off at a tanget.

I don't how Hezbollahs "muslim-ness" came into it, but I do know they paid cash sums to everybody whose homes were damaged and destroyed. I think Hezbollah is doing a lot better to resist the Zionist criminals than many other muslim groups/leaders/countries.

On a side note, while we are talking about this, I'd like to say that Hezbollah's "power" is a MYTH! They have nothing but crappy AK-47s and a few rockets. Israel deliberately exaggerated the "threat" they face, so they could justify bombing and destroying an entire nation. Well they tried to justify it anyway. Israel has one of the most, if not the most, powerful armies in the world. Other than not choosing to return the illegal imprisonment of women and children (!!), they fought back with banned chemical weapons. An analogy of a little bird being destroyed by a rocket launcher applies well here. Go figure.

yasmin623

11-10-2006, 06:14 AM

Hizbullah`s power is Not really a myth as the similar situation happened to the Companions of Prophet (pbuh). I believe that whoever fight for the sake of Allah, Allah will give them strength.

That`s why those who claimed about the evil and bad intension of Hizbullah is better to give a solid prove to make things clear. :SMILY209: Anyway, Allah knows the best and we seek guidance from Allah...

dna1987

11-10-2006, 06:24 AM

Hizbullah`s power is Not really a myth as the similar situation happened to the Companions of Prophet (pbuh). I believe that whoever fight for the sake of Allah, Allah will give them strength.

I don't think you can make a fair comparison with the Prophet's companions and Hezbollah. They are in different leagues altogether!

That`s why those who claimed about the evil and bad intension of Hizbullah is better to give a solid prove to make things clear. :SMILY209: Anyway, Allah knows the best and we seek guidance from Allah...

My point on Hezbollah above does not discuss Hezbollah and the way the practice the religion. I do know that they paid cash to everyone who had their homes damaged or destroyed, and that's a good thing. I also know they provide free health care for the people who can't afford it in certain areas.

And lastly, yes Hezbollah's power is myth. Israel had no threat whatsoever. They just used a crappy excuse to destory half of an entire nation. :wasalam:

yasmin623

11-10-2006, 08:34 AM

I don't think you can make a fair comparison with the Prophet's companions and Hezbollah. They are in different leagues altogether!

My point on Hezbollah above does not discuss Hezbollah and the way the practice the religion. I do know that they paid cash to everyone who had their homes damaged or destroyed, and that's a good thing. I also know they provide free health care for the people who can't afford it in certain areas.

And lastly, yes Hezbollah's power is myth. Israel had no threat whatsoever. They just used a crappy excuse to destory half of an entire nation. :wasalam:

Haha...brother, I do not compare Hizbullah with the companions...:SMILY286: the companions are uncomparable in my opinion. My point is that whoever fight for the sake of Allah, Allah give them strength...The companions simply gave a good examples in holy wars...

My point on Hizbullah just focus on how they practise their religion and how pure and holy their intension is. They are doing good now but if they have a bad intension at the back, they can do harms greater that the isreal army in future once they gain power...Nobody knows except Allah!

And lastly, their power is NOT a myth provided they have a holy intension and do everything sincerely for Allah. Victory is from Allah...And isreal could have destroy the whole nation without them...Allah knows the best and I really hope that they are indeed doing everything for Allah...I pray to Allah for the best future for our bros and sis in Lebanon...:SMILY23:

wassalam,
Yasmin

OmarTheFrench

11-10-2006, 08:39 AM

In Darfur too,In Chechenya too...

sister harb

11-10-2006, 08:41 AM

And in Palestine too... :shymuslima1:

stranger786

11-11-2006, 09:37 PM

:salam2:

I agree with most of people that Hezbollah has done a good job in resisting Isreal without so much advance war machinary like Isreal.They really proved that if some resistant is fought based on an idealogy you can win it even with urs limites resources and even nill limited diplomatic acceptance.

I am not here to offend any body.People say Iran and Seyria supported them as they were shai (esp support of Iran ).

Ist thing is that when Isreal or others bomb they donot see who is down there they just see only who bow in fornt of Allah :salah: and who say La Illa ha Illal la ho.So why should we as oppressed make difference between us which will only help non-belivers.

2nd thing is that Hamas or even so called Al-fatha (again no offence to any of its fellows) there are sunni.When Iran supported their shia in the region where are the ''sunni'' kings.'''why not they took stand for legtimate gov in occupied land which are sunnis?:confused: Most of them are annoyed by influence on mind and heart of muslim because of Hezbollah victory. I know its a kinda blue bolt on them that just a handful of non-regular army can break the Isreal supermicy and the donot dare to come out of their palace.So sad to these leaders.:astag:

Infact Hezbollah set an example in the region with their brave fight.Remember I am not looking in term of their beliefs.

Moral of story : If Hezbollah can give well resistance to Isreal then why not the regular armies of arabs countires? Just thinking wat missing ? Emaan/faith

sister harb

11-12-2006, 10:21 AM

Most of work for they people that both Hezbollah and Hamas have made is by charity organizations as social welfare. Unfortunately western medias make news only about they military wings. Making good is not new in this world.

your sister... :shymuslima1:

NewMuslim

11-12-2006, 10:50 AM

I hear that the U.N tried to condemn the actions of Isreal, but the U.S voted no on doing that, so the thing they were trying to pass condemning Isreal didn't pass.

sister harb

11-12-2006, 11:34 AM

You are right and it is not the first time when USA vote as veto when Isreal has committed a massacre. This is the new about this case:

Barhum: USA veto grants Israel international cover for more massacres
By
Nov 12, 2006, 08:45

Gaza - The Hamas Movement has affirmed that the US veto against a UN Security Council draft resolution condemning the Israeli massacre in Beit Hanun, north of the Gaza Strip, was expected, charging that Washington had thus provided the Israeli occupation with an international cover to commit more massacres.

Fawzi Barhum, Hamas spokesman in the Strip, said that the unlimited American support to "Zionist crimes against the Palestinian people" the latest of which was the UNSC veto constituted a "barefaced green light to commit more such crimes".

He warned of American hegemony on international platforms, pointing out that the USA was hitting Afghanistan and Iraq and threatening the Sudan and Iran, yet was backing a "terrorist state that kills women, children and old people day and night".

The spokesman called on the Arab group at the 15-member UNSC to adopt a strong position regarding the Palestinian suffering, and urged the human rights organizations to stand up against this American stand that justified killing and destroying the Palestinian man and land. He also asked the Arab and Islamic masses to declare a clear position against American hegemony on international platforms.

Barhum described the Arab stands as "shy and weak" that did not live up to the challenge of American support to the "Zionist government".

The Arab countries should adopt decisive stands on the official and popular levels against the escalating "Zionist criminality against our people" and they should demand protection for Palestinian civilians, Barhum concluded.

The USA last night vetoed a UNSC draft resolution tabled by Qatar on behalf of the Arab countries condemning Israel for the bloody massacre in Beit Hanun. Ten member countries voted for the draft while four others abstained.

American representative at the UNSC council John Bolton claimed that his country's veto was used because the draft resolution did not include a clear condemnation of Palestinian resistance attacks on Israeli targets!

The Qatari representative expressed disappointment over the American veto, warning that such weak positions on the part of the UNSC would increase the cycle of violence and would spread doubts on the UNSC's credibility in implementing the international laws.

The Palestinian representative said that the veto was a green light for the Hebrew state to go ahead in its aggressions against the Palestinian people. He charged that the UNSC was not "fair" in dealing with the Palestine cause.

Representative of the democratic Congo, which voted for the draft resolution, said that turning down the draft constituted an insult to families of the Palestinian victims.

sister harb

11-12-2006, 01:43 PM

If somebody is still so gredulous that thinks this was the first time of "technical failure", so then...

http://www.arabnews.com/cartoon/2006/11/11.jpg

Not the first time at all.

ibnAbdullah87

11-12-2006, 04:59 PM

Listen sister those that hold your veiw before praising these group of raafidah shi'ah you should first know who they are. How can you praise those that oppose Allah and His Messenger :saw2:. Before you speak so well of them and bring forth your opinion know that many people who have no knowledge read what some of these forums and this is one of them so be careful what you say, do not misguide other with your opinions. These so called "Hezbollah" when they fought Israel they killed more soldiers but how men by stands were killed because of the in Lebanon. Read about the raafidah shi'ah and know whom you are dealing with click on the link below

http://www.salafipublications.com/sps/sp.cfm?secID=GSC&subsecID=GSC03&loadpage=displaysubsection.cfm

OmarTheFrench

11-12-2006, 05:10 PM

She Hasn't talk in term of Beliefs,brother.:arabi1:

ibnAbdullah87

11-12-2006, 05:23 PM

I know but how can someone be a good guy or a group be a good group when they have corrupted beliefs. Some people might get confused and think them to be good and develop love for them but with their corrupted believes it would not be surpirising if they do have a hidden agenda. It they make it clear that once they are done with Israel and the U.S.A they are gonna go for Saudia Arabia, so what we support them know and the later when they take over Makkah and Medina then we will start complaining when they start digging up the grave of Aisha and start worshiping the graves and making tawaf around the graves of The Prophet :saw2:, also by praising them and speak well of their actions you are not showing any dislike towards there corrputed beliefs and their lies. Do not support them they are your enemy. And I do not mean the general ignorant once who do not even know I am taking about the raafidah shi'ah.

OmarTheFrench

11-12-2006, 05:47 PM

They have maybe an hidden agenda but the problem is that ,they are only to be truly preoccupied by the Palestinians brothers problem(I'm talking in term of governement,organisation).
Two minutes ago,I have see that the Arabs countries have stopped the blockade which they have imposed to Palestinian Government,its good,but WHY THEY HAVE IMPOSED a blockade to theirs Palestinians brothers ?:astag:

If the Sunni countries don't stop be a US puppy, country like Iran or group like Hezbollah will ever have more success.

sister harb

11-12-2006, 05:49 PM

If I respect Hezbollah as fighters... then so what? In my main forum is just similar members whose become mad by the word "shia"!

:angryred:

OmarTheFrench

11-12-2006, 05:56 PM

Don't irritate you sister:frown:

sister harb

11-13-2006, 01:16 PM

Palestinian civil organizations say world's silence gives Israel green light for more massacres
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Nov 13, 2006, 09:11

Gaza - The Network of Palestinian civil organizations have called on all diplomatic envoys and international human rights and legal organizations working in the PA to exercise more pressures on the Hebrew state to stop its brutal aggressions on the unarmed Palestinian people.

In a statement it issued Sunday, the network sent an urgent call to those agencies, stressing that an international investigation committee must be formed and sent to the beleaguered city of Beit Hanun to unmask cruelty of the IOF troops.

Furthermore, the civil organizations asserted that the international community is duty-bound to protect lives and legal and human rights of the unarmed Palestinian people that have been relentlessly violated at the hands of the IOF troops.

"If the international community remains passive and silent towards the IOF troops' massacres against the Palestinians, it will send a wrong message to those troops to commit more killings against Palestinian civilians", the statement underlined.

On Sunday, Palestinian citizen Mahmoud Abu Hamadeh, 18, died of wounds he sustained in Beit Hanun massacre, raising the number of killed Palestinians in that carnage to 87, medical sources revealed.

Hebrew media sources had earlier unveiled that the IOF troops' military operations in the city were directed by American military experts and advisors in a bid to avoid repetition of the defeat the IOF troops suffered in Lebanon last July. The USA used the veto power Saturday to block a UNSC resolution condemning the Hebrew state over the carnage.

anna

11-19-2006, 02:40 PM

Assalamualaikum...

Brother Mabsoot,

Hassan Nasrallah and Hizbullah seemed to become the hope of Lebanon after their recent victory.

I am afraid I really cannot see it as a victory with half the nation destroyed, thousands killed and million others severely wounded. In fact I've read that US government and Israel had long been thinking of a way to destroy all the weapons that hezbollah had. They had hoarded a lot weapons supplied by Syria and Iran, which could take Israel by unawares. So they triggered this war between israel and hezbollah in which hezbollah have apparently used all their rockets and weaponry to show their might or whatever , which killed hardly any Israelis since those areas were evacuated at that time. And whats more US and Israel have shown the world how the threat was so genuine and the point that was so emphasised on their media (CNN, FOX , BBC), that the katusha (spelled right?) rockets and all were manufactured in Iran , so perhaps a pretext of waging war against Iran.

Now Israel has no threat in the region atleast from Hezbollah.

However I also feel that their spirit of iron resistance in the face of one of the world's strongest armies must be applauded in all fairness to them.
As to their beliefs I must say I was seldom so disappointed and shocked as I was after reading bro. Mabsoot's post and subsequent posts supporting the fact, such a huge fan as I was of hezbollah.
But I also totally agree with bro. flim that when a person has recited kalima we simply cannot call them as non muslims or ones spreading non muslim kufr considering the gravity of the matter. Maybe we can specifically criticise whatever they are doing without branding them as non-muslims.
Allah indeed knows best.:blackhijab:
:salam2:

mbw2h

11-19-2006, 07:01 PM

Assalamu Alaykum,

Please do not comment on these things when there is a lot more to these issues then what AlJazeera or any other news organisation has to say.

I myself was in Lebanon just over 1 year ago and understand the situation of the Muslims there and its history. I also visited Palestinian refugee camps.

It is easy to get angry and we are in desperate need of help from our Muslim brothers and sisters. But, we need to think things through and make wise decisions and comments. InshaAllah. :) So, let me explain some things with regards to these people:

First of All, Hassan NAsrallah Openly spoke against Sahaba, i have video of this on my computer, if you really want i can share it here. But, it is rather disgusting. He speaks ill of Sahaba like Abu Sufyan and hense bad words about the Ahlus-Sunnah.

How can an evil man like that, who calls the mother of the believers a prostitute, who ridicules and curses our Beloved Sahaba like Abu Bakr and Umar be a hero ? He is not a hero, rather he and his men are like the Zionist Jews of Israel. They are a threat to Muslims, and this has been seen in their history.

If you live in Beirut long enough, you will hear of their conspiracies and their killing and torture. Look at Iraq now, with Moqtada Sadr and his torture and death squads which go around kidnapping men, women and children and torturing them to death. Is this what you want in Palestine and in Lebanon?

Secondly, these people are not to be trusted. Nasrallah killed many Sunni in Lebanon and Hizbullah were responsible for many atrocities during the Lebanon wars.

Thirdly, ALL my Beiruti Friends mention an incident where the Hizbullah threw away the food meant for the Sunni Muslims. AND they threw away food that was given to the poor by the Sunnis. They said they would never accept food from the Sunni people. They even rejected shelter in a School because it had the name of Sahabi Abu Bakr on it. The School's name contained the names of the Sahaba, so they did not stay there. Astaghfirullah.

How can Muslims be so gullible to think the Shia really mean to help Muslims or be allies with the Sunni?

I am beginning to think that they assassinated our lovely and kind leader Rafiq Hariri, Rahimahullah. He was a Sunni, he was so kind to all the Muslims and would give support to students at Islamic universities all over the world.

Now, that he is gone, the Hizbullah are making advantage of the low security. They have kidnapped people, assassinated people.

They threaten to take over the whole of Lebanon. We will see in the coming months what they plan to do. They might try and organise all their sheep to do a massive protest. Perhaps 200,000 people in order to take over and get rid of the Lebanese Government. This will be a big problem.

The Hizbullah do not care about civillian deaths, all they want is power and to extend the non-Muslim kufr and extremist rules of their Iranian Ayatollahs on all the Muslims.

May Allah help our Muslim brothers and sisters around the world and make them victorious against their oppressors Ameen!

so it is true. i need no other proof.

mbw2h

11-19-2006, 07:06 PM

doesn't anyone see waging of wars as a bad thing. peace to everyone, including jews, including hizbollah, including the U.S. and including palestine. The violence doesn't work. It doesn't win anything. Stop the fighting, stop the propaganda (both sides) and stop believing that any human is unequal because of what they believe. It's just ridiculous.

mbw2h

11-19-2006, 07:23 PM

I don't think you can make a fair comparison with the Prophet's companions and Hezbollah. They are in different leagues altogether!

And lastly, yes Hezbollah's power is myth. Israel had no threat whatsoever. They just used a crappy excuse to destory half of an entire nation. :wasalam:

They had rockets (and still have) lauched at their homes. That is a threat. If someone shoots a rocket at my home I'd be pissed off. Before you say it, yes Isreal was wrong in bomb the way they did, but they were trying to create a buffer, so that their citizens can live normal lives. That is right, that is just.

AmatAllah

11-19-2006, 07:51 PM

Assalam Alaikum,
Patience in the face of calamity is the quality of a true Faithful (Mo'min)
It is heartbreaking to see the trials that our brothers and sisters are going through but we have to keep in mind that it is only and only Allah SWT who can alleviate their sufferings.
We must not drop down to the level of oppressors either with our words, deeds or thoughts.
Let's pray for the Ummah and do our best to live the reality of Islam and do dawah among Muslims and non-Muslims.
Getting mad is not the answer!!
wsalam

mbw2h

11-20-2006, 04:33 PM