SADDAM HUSSEIN GETS DEATH PENALTY

[yafash]

:salam2:
JUST HEARD SADDAM HUSSEIN HAS BEEN GIVEN THE DEATH SENTENCE FOR HIS "CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY". HOW DEPRESSING THAT THE WEST WILL PUNISH HIM FOR WHAT THEY ASSISTED HIM TO DO.
MAY ALLAH HAVE MERCY ON HIM AND THE MUSLIMS.
:salam2:

[Abdul-Raheem]

I am not saying that Saddam was right in killing so many people, but I find it so hypocritical that America want him to die for crimes against humanity when they have been the instigators of even worse atrocities in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Karima]

Asalamualikum,

As an American, I agree with you.

Who has the right to take a soul of any living being?

[christina]

"(...) but I find it so hypocritical that America want him to die (...)"

Actually it's not America judging the mass murderer Saddam Hussein but it's an iraqi court in Iraq that sentenced him to death today, so it's not the Americans who did that. The Americans, who captured Hussein, delivered him to the Iraqi justice on June 30, 2004.

Nevertheless I, too, think that it's inhuman to execute someone, even if he or she is guilty of killing. We should not answer to inhumanity with inhumanity.

[Abdul-Raheem]

When I say America want hime to be xecuted, it is because the have constantly interfered with the trial putting strong pressure on the so called independant Iraqi court. This claim has also been put foward by a US human rights watch group.

[Submitter]

:salam2:

Nevertheless I, too, think that it's inhuman to execute someone, even if he or she is guilty of killing. We should not answer to inhumanity with inhumanity.

In my opinion, a murderer deserves nothing less than death. Someone who murders obviously doesn't value life and doesn't deserve to continue living themselves.

Saddam Hussein may have been sentenced to death by hanging by a judge, but no one can judge him as fairly and justly as Allah will on that Day.

:wasalam:

[AishaR]

:salam2:

He may be a monster as labelled by the media but he was the only one who could control the country. There wasnt all the problems there are now when he was in power.

Dont get be wrong, what he did was wrong but at least he had control.

:wasalam:

[Mabsoot]

assalamu alaykum,

Some important points:

- More Iraqis are dying now then they were when he was in power.

- Saddam Was most powerful and was killing and gassing people when the US and UK were his allies. They were the ones supplying him with chemicals.

- He is not a Muslim, The late Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Shaykh Abdul Azeez Ibn Baz (Rahimahullah), had fatwa against Saddam since the 1970s stating he was not a Muslim. His beliefs as a Baathist, make him a non-Muslim.

- There are are conflicting evidence with regards to his role in Halabja. Iran was using chemical weapons at same time in that area.

-Irony: The US is the only country to abstain from being part of the International Criminal Court. - Their soldiers can not be tried for any war crimes.

--- Although Saddam Hussein was a criminal and he deserves whatever he gets, I hope one day the larger War Criminals such as Bush, Blair and all their cronies also get tried for their War Crimes.

The Death sentence against Saddam Hussein serves in the best interests of his former Allies (the USUK coalition, pronounced you suck!). It will be a large embarassment if Saddam Hussein keeps telling the world about the various interests that people such as Bush Sr, and Rumsfeld had with Iraq.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38957000/jpg/_38957921_030314saddam_rumsfeld.jpg

[AishaR]

:salam2:

Thanx for that interesting information brother.

I didnt know about the US. Very interesting....... So we are letting them rule the world & get away with whatever, whenever & accountable to no one...... Great!

:wasalam:

[Mabsoot]

Wa alaykum Salam,

I dont see the reason to have "Crimes against humanity" in brackets. He did do that.

Just there is of course an air of hypocrisy as there are a lot of war Criminals who are walking around on this world. Some who have done much worse than Saddam Hussein.

Secondly, for the benefit of any person who is reading this, i would like to reiterate that Saddam Hussein and those who believe in the baathist party are not Muslims. (there is difference between those who worked for them and were forced to, and those who actually spearheaded the secular/communist type movement.)

Also, would like to add the fact that the USUK coalition worked closely with Saddam Hussein, even supplying him with chemical weapons when he was doing the worst of his atrocities.


Wasalam.

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[yafash]

:salam2:
subhanallahi, i didn't know he was a baathist. guess i should read more. well that make his case different. though as was said b4 the trial was very hypocritical. well Allah will judge fairly in the next life.
may Allah guide us aright.
islamically a muslims blood is halaal is he is guilty of murder depending on the wali.
:wasalam:

[Mabsoot]

:salam2:
subhanallahi, i didn't know he was a baathist. guess i should read more. well that make his case different. though as was said b4 the trial was very hypocritical. well Allah will judge fairly in the next life.
may Allah guide us aright.
islamically a muslims blood is halaal is he is guilty of murder depending on the wali.
:wasalam:

The scholars stated he is not a Muslim. The Baathists have 0 Religion. They are more of a communist type of party. S Hussein modelled himself on Stalin.

He only uses Islam now, in order to get support as a political tool. He killed many people. The Media lie about his actions and who he is. They say he is Sunni and he is leader of the Sunnis. This is untrue, he was disliked by all. I have met Iraqi Sunnis here in UK who were tortured by Saddam.

He killed more Sunni Muslims than anyone else. He was repressive against Sunnis. For the Kurds as well as the Arabs were Sunni. He killed many Shia too. Simply, he killed anyone who was opposed to him, no matter who. (he killed his own son-in-laws.... definitely not a father-in-law to be crossed lol)

[young muslimaah]

:salam2: i personally think that the death penalty is wrong even though he has done horrible things in his life because no one has a right to take a soul exept allah.
brother mabsoot allahu 3lam we don't know that, its between him and allah
the only thing i know is that he was the 1 person who could keep peace between sunnis and shias muslim and also keep the country in control.:muslim_child:

[stranger786]

Saddam Hussein-- sentenced to death today.I fail to express my feelings about this news.He was created and then used and now they are going to dump it with whole of his family.

When I heard this news I did not move .I read that some people celebrated and some people protested .I just stand with panic face to see suitation of muslim Umma.Guess who will be happy to see this differences?


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He changed the geo-politics of Gulf.Ist they used him against Iran and then again he was used to attack Kuwait.Its he who gave a chance to occupiers to come near our holy land and after that I saw killing and killing of Muslim brothers and sister every where. When some body is sitting in urs home with guns, what you can do.In this case He gave a planned chance to occupier to sit in our Centre from where light of islam spread all our the globe.When centre become weak then all of branchess of tree became weak.Then 9-11 happen or made to be happened ( donot know !!)...After that life become a hell for my Umma.From veil to belief of my dear religion ..every thing is insulted.Just put every thing into frame.Every thing made to be happened at rite place and at rite time.

You know each of us is responsible for innocent blood because we lost the grip of Quran and Sunnah. RasollAllah warn us that our ruler will be like us and that what happened in case of Saddam Hussien as well.

May Allah mercy on us and put us back to track so that we can have ruler like Harron Rashid.Oh Allah it going so worst...I see nothing but blood of my muslim umma..and oh Allah I saw the pics when their thrust is not finished with our blood..they went one step further i.e. they humliated the skeleten by putting it infront of their naked p----. AstagfirULLAH.!!

Mercy on us my lord.!!
Forgive our sins.!!

[dna1987]

Brother Mabsoot had some good info to share.

I think however he became more religious, atleast a little, during his time as a prisoner in the last year. If you watched the verdict on BBC, you would see it.

I personally feel quite sad. This entire war was set up on an illegal scam, on false information and blatant lies, and now if they manage to hang Saddam, it'll encourage hypocrites worldwide that they can get away with their crimes if they are persistent with their lies.

Some other interesting points are:

1. It's funny how the verdict came out two days before the US Mid-Term elections

2. The war crimes that will be examined are only during the 1980s era, meaning all the crimes being committed today will not be looked at.

Damn hypocrites. Not to mention the entire court is set up and operated by the US of A.

[Mabsoot]

Nuremberg Trials were setup to try Hitler's henchmen from the Nazi party. They were hanged for ... invading sovereign nations.

[NewMuslim]

:salam2:
Just like to point out that it's the Iraqis who had complete control on the trial and punishment. The coalition forces only defended the courtroom (I'm assuming). Saddam was sentenced to death by hanging. The west abolished hanging since WWII (I think).

But, I'm really not sure if Saddam should die. Who's to know that Allah wills it or not?

I'm going to hear Saddam's words in the courtroom today ringing in my ears. He said: "Damn you and your court. Allahu Akbar" over and over. It's still going on in my head.

[Oem Soufiane]

The moenafiqun will all say Allahu akbar when death comes nearby, he should have thought of that before starting killing people and putting pictures all around Iraq like he is a god.

[Saifadin_Qutuz]

I think before they hang him(if they ever will), he should come to Kuwait as a prisoner for all the people here to see him LoL

[christina]

1983: Hussein slaughtered about 8000 Kurds from the Barsani-Tribe
1987-1988: „Anfal operation“: Hussein killed 50.000-100.000 Kurds (also using chemical weapons)
1980-1988: Irak fights against Iran, about 1.000.000 men died
1990: Irak invades Kuwait
1991: Tens of Thousends of Irakis were killed in a massacre by Hussein
300.000 to 400.000 political opponents ‚disappeared‘
2003: liberation of Iraq by USA & Allies

You say: „he was the only one who could control the country“
What was the price for that ‚control‘? (see above!!!)

You say: "I hope one day the larger War Criminals such as Bush, Blair and all their cronies also get tried for their War Crimes"....

...when thousands of US soldiers gave their young life for a free Iraq where people hopefully will live in dignity and freedom one day (the Kurds do already start today: see video: http://links.streamingwizard.com/1st...ustvspot1m.asx)

...when another thousands of US soldiers got blessed or got damaged in their mind health because they tried to stabalize and bring security to Iraq

even if the didn’t succeed yet

And they still do desperately and will not leave until there is a chance to come to some kind of stability for the Iraqis and help the Iraqis to build up their own safety guards and institutions and they still risk their lifes for that.

[br_rizwan]

:salam2:

I heard last Night in new that Saddam Getting Death Pently.

As per My View as a muslim Saddam did things that not according to sariya and according to Quran ..but things is that America is back on all this issue that why muslim genrally get sympathy for saddam.

if one can forget america on this issue ..is saddam is innocent..??i would like to hear my brothers and sisters comment on it..

[young muslimaah]

salam
christina you are saying that american troops are helping the iraqis, girl what planet are you on can't you see the iraqi civilians getting killed what safety do they get?? since the americans invaded the country they have been living in hell. Each they thousands of iraqis getting killed by the invaders,what do you call this huh? the only thing they want is to take over the country, when will the americans understand that they are not wanted in iraq!!!!!!

[christina]

Hallo Young Muslimaah,

thanks for responding to my comment!
Aren't Iraqi terrorist groups the ones, who kill both: Iraqi civilians and American soldiers? The American soldiers try desperately to prevail against terror, but they don’t succeed. It’s a drama and a tragedy for all people involved there. Of course I know about the terrible situation in Iraq. I read the news every day and there are so many horrible attacks against civilians. But again: it’s not the American soldiers that do these terror attacks. On the contrary they try to prevent terror attacks and in trying this also a lot of them were killed.
I seriously think, that if they would leave Iraq now, it would be chaos in iraq and an even much higher number of killing of innocent muslim people because of the fightings between the terrorist groups against each other. Now, the US soldiers at least try to control (though they don't succeed but they try!) The US does not want to "take over" Iraq and they will not – you will see. I think they will slowly leave in the next maybe 2-5 years, when the Iraqi police and army is ready to control the terror on its own. I very much hope they soon will be able to. I very much hope, the US can leave soon and I very much hope that the terror stops and Iraq can live in peace. I pray for that.

Sincere regards, Christina

[Paki Idol]

First of all, it ain't the Iraqi terrorist groups killing innocent ppl.It is the American soldiers killing innocent ppl and going everywhere raping Muslim women.So much so, Mossad agents are killing all Doctors related to every field so that they can't work for the betterment of Muslim Ummah.You may have heard a case of German soldiers mutilating the corpses.Iraq is burning hell.Muslims are being massacred and persecuted.This is hidden from the west by the western media.It is actually Iraqi Islamic resistance groups fighting cruel American soldiers(no offence to any American here~But still the truth is to be told).The amercan troops are commiting such crimes that if you would witness or even hear about that, I'm sure you'll cry.I'm sorry, Christina, you are wrong in your idea about American troops leaving Iraq.Remember, the war on Iraq was not for capturing Saddam but for Oil and expansion of Israeli territory.I ask you why was it pressed hard by USA Govt. that Iraq has WMD's!Not even a single weapon was found although Rumsfeld claimed that they knew very well where the weapons were hidden.Poor story.Same with 9/11.It is war against Islam not war against Terrorism.Can you believe such tales that a man sitting in his cave would plan such a thing.It seems stupid.Infact,impossible to believe as no evidence has been provide to the public-yet!It was clearly an Inside job.It is the US forces in Iraq commiting war crimes hidden from your eyes.America is to go beyond Iraq at all costs.They will attack Iran and then destroy Pakistan.And then head for Syria.This is an undeniable truth.Muslims are branded as terrorists.Well, I don't know much about Taliban's so called 'oppressive regime' but what I have heard and read is that they are good ppl.Such is the story of Yvonne Ridley, a convert to Islam.Recently, an American soldier confessed about killing more than 200 Iraqis i.e. more Iraqis were killed by that American soldier in comparison with Saddam's case of killing the Iraqi kurds.I simply ask you, is the world more safer than it was b4 9/11?Have the Iraqis really got freedom?I say NO!!The resistance groups are fighting for their home from evil infiltrators.Is that such a bad thing that they are branded terrorists for protecting their families from evil ppl?You don't have a speck of idea what is going on?I say visit Iraq!US wants to take over Iraq and every Muslim country.Seems like end of US is near.I do not hate Americans.I am not Anti Semitic or Anti Jew/christian but for God's sake stop telling lies!American Govt. is a Zionist puppy.US wants Muslims to kill eachother.Saddam's death penalty?If he was given death penalty for killing some Iraqi kurds then Bush should be given the same treatment.Bush ordered his soldiers to kill, go on rampage, stab the old, terrorise the children, rape the woman and what is more!American soldiers after killing innocents drink beer etc. and go on in their vehicles listening to Rock music.I don't heaer or see the Taliban or Hezbollah indulging in such immoral act.Is that the Iraqi freedom you talk about.Hundreds and thousands of innocent Iraqis killed for lies to protect Israel.Sorry, but the end is near. He is the real terrorist.The real oppressor and the only Liar! Not Muslims.Saddam Hussein was aided to attack Iran and Kuwait but jave you wondered that why that case wasn't given priority during his trial.Because it was America behind all this.They first were his friends now his deadly enemies.Same is going to happen with Pakistani President Musharraf.History repeats itself.My words may seem awkward.But I am compelled to say such things.I cannot see my Muslim brothers and Sisters being opressed and killed.I'll be answerable to God about what I did and said in their case to prove their innocence and to reveal the truth. Once again,Christina, you are kinda real mistaken about this.The propoganda is a total lie.It is told that Muslims are opressors of woman, but that again is a lie! Muslim men are supposed to be protectors of women and behave with woman in the best possible way.I have many things to say but would speak about them later, InshAllah!

[christina]

Hallo Paki Idol,

thank you for your long answer! (I don’t know if you will allow me to ask you the following question - so if not: just don’t answer and ignore my question!)
Here is my question: where are you living, which media/news do you watch/read? Are you living in Pakistan, as your nick-name suggests, or are you an American?

I’m living in Germany and I assure you that our press is not manipulated by any conspiracy plot. Of course the media reflects different kind of views and sometimes I’m annoyed because here some of the big magazines are too much anti(!)-American in my eyes but all in all I think they give me proper information.

Friendly regards from Christina

[stranger786]

here some of the big magazines are too much anti(!)-American in my eyes but all in all I think they give me proper information.

Friendly regards from Christina

well sista so called Proper Information totally depend on the fact that on which site of the table you are sitting. If this media insult islam so it is proper for you but i m sorry to say its not 'proper' for me.

Thanks to media which is giving huge support for clashs of civilizations and I really amazed by urs view that Amercians are in Iraq to liberate Iraqi people.You are rite in one sense that they r there to liberate Iraqi from oxygen(life).so cool for white house i guess and to amercians soldiers who say its fun to kill iraqi.

When some from the oppressor try to resist foreign occupation urs media call it terrist.

May God give u wisdom to understand the truth.

[Ali_Ibrahim]

salam,
In regards to any religion, waging war, death, harm, and punishment is haram ( unlawful). The only time it is ok to wage such punishment on any type of person is when it's time to put people to justice. ex. I committed the crime of killing someone, i should be killed. I truely feel this type of punishment is ok because the person should know that killing is not ok and any less punishment he or she shall recieve for comitting such crime will know relay the message. hense the quote ' Actions speak louder than words'. In regards to Saddam, It's not ok for me to say he should be killed but if he committed a crime, than he should pay for it with the same extent of the crime he committed. This comes into effect when trying to decipher iraq's law during the time saddam was reign supreme. If saddam waged punishment on convicted criminals, then he should not be held accountable for that. He's just trying to put justice in iraqi's system. However, I have not made an attempt to research the type of government saddam had when he was president but if i were to guess, I would say his gov. is built around communism. In regards to religion, if you commit a crime, the same person or the next closest person deserves to give you the same crime you've committed and this is only to promote justice. If any less punishment is given, the criminal will take advantage and keep attacking while knowing the punishment isn't as harmful as the one he committed. In islam, we are told to promote justice, and i truely believe this way is the right way because it's not fair to take a life, for any such reason, but if ye shall, than ye shall be punishment with such equivalent crime.
That is the active role in a muslim, the passive role in islam, could be to let saddam continue doing what he was doing while he reigned supreme in iraq, and let his punishment build up on the day of judgement. Because surely, EVERYONE will be questioned about their duties on earth when you are infront of Allah swh himself.

[stranger786]

peace sista
By the way what u say about WMD in Iraq.Watch this sista.


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Good and bad poeple are in every place.If some bad muslim do some thing bad then urs media put it on front page in such a way that ISlam is the reason about it.From veil to our dearest Prophet every thing is insultéd on urs media...so its all proper for u..!!

Watch it sista..donot u have heart to feel about innocent killing of Muslims every where from Palestein , Iraq , chechniya , Afghanistan....etc etc ..a long list.Do this media talk about Holocaust of Muslim?

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so sad on u that u still think Amercian are liberators.

[Paki Idol]

Hallo Christina!
I won't mind answering that question.Although I do know what you mean.heh! I am a person interested in these Curent affairs.I wasn't interested in it since childhood.Infact, I never used to listen to any news or read newspaper.All this started from previous two years after coming to know about American war crimes in Afghanistan and Iraq.Most of my information related to this comes from media under American or Europeans.I also read the newspapers of that very country about which Mossad, RAW and FBI are really concerned about.This is because no other intelligence from any country understands and knows their very aims and activities as much as ISI( Inter Services Intelligence of Pakistan)does.There's no big deal for you about it.But for us, there is.The media here is like as if it is a spy network telling us everything about what really happens and why it happens with evidences approved by Europeans and some others, too.The people here know that after Iran, it is them.They don't want war or anarchy.They want and support peace, love and brotherhood and are working for that.Go ask the Lebanese and you'll get the answer about Pakistanis.
I don't know much about German media.All I know is that America will come after Germany once again and has her eye over Germany with help of Zionists.I am not saying it without reason.I know my words may and will seem stupid to you but let me tell you that this is not the world we think of.The real terrorists are not Muslims but Zionists.The very Zionists who destroyed Germany with help of America.These things are hidden by the Anti Islamic media.The west is at propoganda against Islam. I am not certainly trying to turn you against America or any other ppl but showing you the truth.Tht is what really bothers and matters to me.Not hatred or extremism but love, brotherhood and friendship.

Friendly regards from my side too...God bless us all with His mercy and better understanding ~ If you don't believe.I won't force any of my opinions on you.I believe truth stands for itself and that is what Koran says.I mean that the truth will one day manifest itself clearly, InshAllah.And that day is not far.

[christina]

Hallo Paki Idol!
Hallo Stranger786!

About the second video: I think it's not right to take the very worst Americans that committed crimes and then say: all the Americans are like that. This video is a video that uses the suffer of innocent people that had to suffer because of the war – because of Hussein and because of terrorists attacking the US first – to incite hate against the USA. It’s a video that misuses human feelings of sorrow and grief and horror to turn your worldview up-side-down, to teach you to hate America.

In World War II (1939-1995) the American and British Army were bombing and fighting many cities in Germany, millions of german civilians died: men, women, children, innocent people died in these attacks.

The evil – Hitler and the Nazis - had took over Germany and with their lethal ideology the Germans killed millions of Jews, Gipsys, Homosexuals and political opponents. They strongly believed in ‚the Jews are the source of all problems‘, they believed in the shameless fake „protocols of the elders of zion“ which is a fake - they truely believed in that faked hate inciting *!*!*!*!, and lots of Germans – the majority - believed to Hitler and his ideology. I am German and when I was in school I visited one of the concentration camps with my school class, I saw gas-chambers. It’s horrible. Ahmadinejad is such a loon. How can he deny this. It is as if he would go outside, look at the sun and say: there is no sun, no, this is just a fake.

In the end, the US and GB and Russia defeated Germany. Millions of Germans were dead. 6 Millions of Jews and 3 Millions of other minority groups had died in the german concentration camps. Germany’s cities were very much destroyed. Nothing was working. No food, no water, no homes for millions of people that survived the war and thousands came from the former eastern territories that were now annexed by Polen and Russia. But the US didn’t exploit us nor did they treat the germans bad (the majority of the Americans who then occupied Germany – of course some did). Though the germans were the defeated people that had caused the death of thousands of thousands (I think 400.000!) of American soldiers. They helped (West-)Germany to build up our own new democratic constitution and parties and justice system. They supported us building up a strong and healtyh economy. Germany recovered and became a very strong and successful economy. We are living in wealth and peace since over 60 years now. We have a great social system: there is almost no poverty (poor people without work here have a home, food, clothes, school for their children, TV, - all payed by the social system), our social system is even much better than the American social system which is I think not very good! We have all kind of religions here: Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus and more (the huge majority is Christians). Everybody can live their life in freedom. If I’d decided to become Muslim, there is no law that forbids me to become. If a Muslim decides do become Christian, it’ll be very easy for him. Everyone has the same rights and duties.

The US in 2003 fought against an Iraqi goverment which they considered to support and nourish terrorists that wanted to attack the US from inside with terror attacks like 9/11 (and which furthermore opressed the Iraqi people). The US were also very much afraid, that Hussein might start with WMD like nuclear weapons. Why Hussein didn’t cooperate so the UN-sanctions could be taken off years earlier and the people wouldn’t starve and suffer any more? Saddam Hussein saw children dying from hunger and illness. About 500.000 to 1.5 million children were dying during the UNO sanctions against Iraq. Hussein had already used chemical WMD against his own Kurd people in 1988. That’s what Rumsfeld was talking about in the video above, though he is clearly losing his thread and seems to have something like a ‚blackout‘.

Imagine a terrorist attack in say New York, Paris or Berlin with a nuclear bomb. The US might have lied about Hussein allegedly beeing already in possession of such weapons, but the fear was reasonable because even if Hussein was not already in possession of such weapons, he was already preparing to and might be soon in the future. There were more points of reason for the US to invade Iraq I think. All had to do with the threat of islamic terroristic extremistic organisations. Oil is one of these points. An example. Imagine you live in a village and get the water from another village, where the water source is. You pay with money for the water and everybody’s fine with that. I mean, it's only water. But: your life and the life of the village people depend on the water. The other village has a lot of power because it can control you in saying: if you don’t do what we want, we’ll stop the water running for you. That’s perfectly OK for you as long as the other village is your friend. But now imagine a fool with tyrannic ideology who hates your way of life becomes the leader of the other village. He might send killers to you but he might also destroy your system by destroying your economy by stopping the water, even if you are willing to pay money as you always did. It’s also a threat – one among others - that you will have to consider when you want to protect the people of your village. You would not let them die of thirst. I know that Iraq already had stopped delivering oil and the true story is much much more complex but this was only an example.

The west is not the propaganda against Islam! Don’t misunderstand the west. E.g. in my country you can find all kind of opinions, and yes, there are some „islamophobics“ around here in Germany but it’s a few, very few! And even these few are not terroristic, they say, they don’t like Islam because they think: Islam is the source of terrorism. They say that and that’s it. We have perfect free speech here. The vast, very vast majority does not think that Islam is the source of terror but does believe that Islam is a respectable and peaceful religion and that terrorists misuse the religion for some fanatic aims. Just this afternoon I downloaded from an islamic german website a document: a letter from 38 Muslim authorities to the Pope (because of the Pope-speech in Regensburg) and they explain why the Pope was wrong in their eyes – I’m interested in it and downloaded it, everybody can, this is very pro Islam, isn’t it? It obviously doesn’t fit your picture of the west. People here don’t want any bad toward Islam. But people here don’t want extremists, they don’t want islamic terrorism. I mean, that’s natural, isn’t it. And by the way, in 2003 most people here were against the Iraq invasion of the US, even me was against, I was even participating in demonstrations against the war. But today I see things a little different and I can understand the reasons for taking Saddam Hussein off. In 2003 I didn’t know so much about him. As you, I was not so much interested in politics in these days.

The problem is, that I think, what you call ...
(...) as if it is a spy network telling us everything about what really happens and why it happens with evidences approved by Europeans and some others, too.
... is not telling you the truth or at least only a part of the truth. They’re telling you obviously a conspiracy theory that incites hate against Israel, "the Zionists", the US and the west. And: of course you will find Europeans who completely agree to that conspiracy theory! Don’t get confused by that! You can find any opinion here in Europe! Because it’s all democratic states with free speech here and everybody has the right to express himself. In Germany we do even still have some stupid Nazis, shame on them! Now imagine this! But please don’t believe to such people! They are paranoic people. Don’t give in the attraction of conspiracy theories, don’t think it’s cool to know „the truth behind it all“. Because it’s not the truth. It’s hate. It's not "the Zionists" behind it all. That's not the truth, it's hate! Please get rid of that nightmare! Please listen to my words!

I wish you all the best, Christina

P.S. the internet discussion forum is taking too much of my time, I need more sleep ... please don't be angry or dipappointed if you write an answer and I won't answer any more ... I will read it carefully and with full attention but I think I won't find enough time to answer. There's still a posting in the Pope discussion I need to answer ... after that one I'm going to stop.

[stranger786]

Hi,
respected christ

Nice to have a long reply.I m leaving from the site because of acadamics reason otherwise I would have answer to each of urs word.

Hallo

the suffer of innocent people that had to suffer because of the war – because of Hussein and because of terrorists attacking the US first – to incite hate against the USA. It’s a video that misuses human feelings of sorrow and grief and horror to turn your worldview up-side-down, to teach you to hate America..

1. Its is pretty cool to mention saddam Husain for these killings but not any mentioning of TRAGET BOMBING by USA forces.(Wat a claim by Amercian that there carpet bombing only kill insurgance (freedom fighter in our eyes!) and donot harm to innocents.

I donot hate Amercian people. I hate their policies and their desire to invade our lands and belife.I would say that to have a power is rite but do not make this power a curse for oppressed nations.


The US in 2003 fought against an Iraqi goverment which they considered to support and nourish terrorists that wanted to attack the US from inside with terror attacks like 9/11 (and which furthermore opressed the Iraqi people). ..


2. Its a joke to relate Saddam with 11 Sept though urs media tried to relate it but this baseless drama was flopped badly a long ago.

3. I donot belive on the number of Jews killed in Holocast.Why its is crime to research on this topic in Germany and some other countries.lol.Ofcourse you have so called free press (at least free in term of insulting my faith..I have to admit this freedom of urs press)

4. I admire Amercian build Germany and they build Japan too.I respect it but for any muslim country in the world they just try to interfer in their matter and bring destruction if they fail to obey them.Ofcourse urs media donot highlight it.Ya I admit another thing USA support is Isreal..a country which is blue bolt on world map.Quite interesting to see all supported countries are non-muslims.



The US were also very much afraid, that Hussein might start with WMD like nuclear weapons. ..

Wat u think about WMD which Isreal have..Which country in the world used Nuclear Bomb so far?


Why Hussein didn’t cooperate so the UN-sanctions could be taken off years earlier and the people wouldn’t starve and suffer any more? Saddam Hussein saw children dying from hunger and illness. About 500.000 to 1.5 million children were dying during the UNO sanctions against Iraq. ..

So sad to listen from a women about a kind of justifying upto 1.5 million kids as result of UNO sanctions.You would have said that these sanction could be imposed in such a way that these death could have beed avoided.If Saddam was bad or responsible but urs civilazed world punished milk feeding kids for their crime to born in Iraq.As a muslim I will have same pain if kids of any faith become victim.



Hussein had already used chemical WMD against his own Kurd people in 1988. That’s what Rumsfeld was talking about in the video above, ..


Fine.I agree Saddam used WMD in 1988 against Kurd why not he was brought to justice at dat time.I can tell you the reason respected sister..because West was supporting him in every term against Iran.Saddam was help..used and now they are dumbing him.


Imagine a terrorist attack in say New York, Paris or Berlin with a nuclear bomb. The US might have lied about Hussein allegedly beeing already in possession of such weapons, but the fear was reasonable because even if Hussein was not already in possession of such weapons, he was already preparing to and might be soon in the future. ..

If you invade in a country and then when u get some resistance then you called it terrorism?Based on urs assumption to attack Iraq becoz of so called fear of nuclear bomb in Berlin or New York..Woud you justify to attack Isreal from countries around it? Ofcourse if you are firm in urs point in attacking iraq with a 'fear ' of having WMD then plz forgive me to say Iran or other countires have rite to attack Isreal based on urs theory.Will urs such thinking bring peace and harmoney in the world..?Why you r defending illegtimate
act of urs states which only bring killing of innocent in third world esp muslim countries.Plz think it with open mind and by sitting on the other of side of people(if u r true well wisher of peace).Muslim donot want to attack any country but at same time its is their ligtimate rite according to ÚN convention to defend their belife and their land.

urs Villages Viz water story!!

The example is perfect I admire urs wisdom but story is true in reverse way.I remeber one of professor started his ist lecture with this senetence.

'Oil - if you donot have it , you r in trouble but if u have it , you are in biggest ever trouble.'

So having oil doesnot give any kind of justification to attack and invade a country..I know German import gas from Russia so do urs country have rite to invade Russian ..? Well even in urs eyes answer is yes based on urs law ..German can not invade Russia as there is kind of balance of power (Russia also have WMD and its is fine to have it as long as their r used for defence purpose).You see here the negotiation is working fine and matter is resolved in peaceful way.Why not it was the case with the muslim countires.?

Regarding Islamphbia its is an organised adverture by the west against our faith and I admit that its is clashes of civilzation.On the back its is basically a religious war.I have no doubt in it.Zionist ist used Amercain to destroy IRaq and now they r suceeded in creating differences between its population,Next is Iran..Syeria...Pakistan. Though I feel that they are v carful in case of Iran because of experince in Iraq and also because Iran is giving pretty well resistance to Zionists dreams.Let see what will be the case with Syeria and Pakistani.How they resist it I heard Pakistani have also lot of WMDs.May God save them from punishment of having this.

Watch it Christn about pop stuff:

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You are always welcome on this site.do visit some time.Its nice to listen ideas of other side or may be we all can make a difference i.e. to spread message of PEACE.

PEace
JAV

[stranger786]

YA one thing do not take me a kinda so called extremist .I m an open minded person who have respect of all good person irrespective of belief.But at same time i have heart to feel the pain of my muslim bro and sisters who are killed every day like animals.

I ask for urs forgivness if any of my above words are hurting you or urs beliefs.

Hoping that u do visit the site atleast some time.

With respect and best wish
JAv

[budalal]

Salam brothers and sisters.

I am from Kuwait and so a direct neighbor of Iraq. I do not agree with what has and is happening there now. However, I know what Saddam, his regime and buddies were. They were common street thugs who rose to power. What they did to the Iraqi people was unforgivable, regardless if the Americans had supported him or not at the time. We all know that America goes where it's "interests" lie. You think they would have "liberated" us if we didnt have the oil they crave? Besides that, let me just make a few points.

1) Saddam and Co. are Baathists. They are secular and for most part athiests even if they say other wise. Baathism=Socialism/Marxism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ba'ath_party

2) They invaded 2 Muslim countries: Iran and Kuwait.
3) They use Islam and Arab nationalism as excuses and to rally support from the masses.
4) They sold liquor in Kuwait during the occupation "NEXT TO MOSQUES!!"

I can go on and on. So all I can say is Allah protect Iraq and it's people and get them out of this mess. And Saddam deserves whats coming to him, be it the court is legitimate or not. Everyone deserves mercy but I find it difficult asking or wanting it for someone like him. Please people don't let your emotions cloud your judgment.

I have personally lost friends and family friends to the invasion, so I apologize for being passionate and if I offended anybody.

W'asalamuk Alaikom Wa Rahmat'ullah

[zarah]

Asalamualikum,

As an American, I agree with you.

Who has the right to take a soul of any living being?

:salam2:

Exactly I have to agree with you sis,no human should be given the right to take someone`s life.

Only Allah(Swt) can give and take.

:wasalam:

[Paki Idol]

I never said that Americans are like that.Infact, the media here talks about the Good things about Americans but only thig it does is that the media criticizes the American foreign policy which is shaped by Zionists.The deaths of so many people in World War 2 is really depressing and it does show how evil some dictators or rulers were.Majority believes that Nazis murdered six million Jews.But does someone talks about Jews killing Jews so that they may be forced to migrate to the to-be-established Israel in the 1940's.These are hidden facts.And the numbers killed by Jews themselves was very great. I do not deny that Nazis did kill Jews.Let's hope for a better world.

[young muslimaah]

:salam2: to behonest America and Isreal are number1 enemies of the muslim world im sure everybody knows that by now. The world is turning a blind eye over the muslims this situation is very bad. How will it be peaceful amongst the people and how can the killings in Iraq and Palastine be prevented??

[NewMuslim]

:salam2:

:salam2: to behonest America and Isreal are number1 enemies of the muslim world

Is that why I see so many Muslims living peacefully in the U.S? Is that why the Middle East hasn't experienced "technical failures" everyday from the U.S?

im sure everybody knows that by now. The world is turning a blind eye over the muslims this situation is very bad.

The situation is bad, but the world isn't turning a blind eye on it. Some things can't be solved through visible means I.E war.

How will it be peaceful amongst the people and how can the killings in Iraq and Palastine be prevented??

In Iraq, it's the Insurgents fault. I don't see all the American Soldiers killing civilians in Iraq; only around 50. In Palestine, you have "technical failures".

I'd just like all to know that if the U.S was anti-Muslim, 2 things would be true:

1) All Muslims in the U.S. would be put into Concentration Camps, just like the Japanese during WWII.

2) The U.S. wouldn't like the Saudi Arabian Royal Family so much.

[talibulislam]

when iranian over through american govt,shah iran took billion of dollor & civilizednation gave him protection & open accounts for his money,right after that american govt stablished relation with saddam,when saddam start a war with iran,america give him full equipment an support & consider him friend of civiliza nations,plus they make sure that war never stop,during that time saddam was useing bilogical weapon against curds but no one say anything cuz he was fullfilling the purpose of civilize nations,in 1991 civlized nation need him again he replied yes an took over kuwait,civilized nation bombard cities of iraq day & night 4 forty days,260 thousands civilieans died in that operation including 480 thousands iraqi army in border & in kuweit,since 1992 with sanction so far more then million iraqies have died already,in invasion which seem more like conquest of personal greed & lust of civilized nation & there heads thousands of iraqies r dieing every day,first it was for biliogical weapons search,then saddam search,now operation iraqi freedom,freedom lol
who is worse saddam or civilized,u know who is if u r not dumb blind,arrogant & ignorent take care

[NewMuslim]

:salam2:
I'm not saying that America is completely faultless. I'm aware of all of their "Saddam Sympathizing". I just think it's going way to far when people say that America is "Shaytan" or "anti-Muslim".

[Hannah123]

I have never seen a video like the second one. I cried and felt like throwing up. Unfortunately i have a brother who was in Iraq and i don't know what he did when he was over there...i can't even imagine. But i have never agreed with the war on Iraq, they are innocent people being murdered and for what??? Really can anyone tell me again why American soldiers are over there...what to free Iraq, they should just leave them alone. But Insha'Allah, every thing we do in this life is seen by Allah, Allah knows all, sees all, hears all, noone can hide or run from the truth no matter how deep inside you think you've hidden your worst thoughts or sins. I pray for this country and all the people who haven't been shown the Straight Path
:shymuslima1:

[anna]

:salam2: ,
There is one thing i dont understand ,why are there so many sectarian killings in Iraq now that the americans have took over. Why are they suddenly so riled up against each other. Is this some part of american intrigue or what?
I cannot conceive the idea of muslims killing each other just coz of religious differences. They must not realise that in islam if you kill another muslim its like you have killed the whole mankind. Who has twisted islam so and done all this brainwashing as to justify to kill another muslim if he is from a different sect.
Is it so very necessary to identify ourselves as sunnis or shias and not just as muslims.Cant we do without all of this? or is it impossible in this day and age.
There is another also I truly dont understand; most of the ppl who die as a result of insurgent's bombings are innocent Iraqi civilians(and once in a blue moon american soldiers) , now whats the point in killing their own ppl and why would they do that? whats that going to achieve?
Well you must have realised clearly by now that politics is not my forte, but I'll be obliged if anyone is willing to shed light on this.
:salam2:

[mbw2h]

Just a note, Rumsfield is likely to be tried in Germany (their court is considering case) for similar crimes. The prosecutors are American. I don't think anyone likes that guy, or Bush/Blair for that matter.

I think it should also be worth noting that the convicting court is an Iraqi court made up of Iraquis. I don't think it's completely fair to say the U.S. convicted him. His people convicted him.

As far as the chemical weapons that the US/UK supplied, let's see some documentation for that claim, ehh? It's easy to claim things like that, but you need to back it up.

[Delyan]

"(...) but I find it so hypocritical that America want him to die (...)"

Actually it's not America judging the mass murderer Saddam Hussein but it's an iraqi court in Iraq that sentenced him to death today, so it's not the Americans who did that. The Americans, who captured Hussein, delivered him to the Iraqi justice on June 30, 2004.

Nevertheless I, too, think that it's inhuman to execute someone, even if he or she is guilty of killing. We should not answer to inhumanity with inhumanity.

America caught him bu America still control everything even the tailor mesure tribunal and justice that has condemned S Hussein. ( some of his lawyers mysteriously murdered etc ..)
Sadam Hussein is sentenced for crimes against Humanity then what about Sharon for instance..
Sadam Hussein isn't a faithful exemple ha has killed many ppl indeed.
No one has the right to judge because Allah Knows better what s wrong and not
wa salam

[christina]

Hallo all,
some days ago I found a video on YouTube about Iraq from 1993 (!) from british journalist and historian Michael Wood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Wood), it's about Saddam Hussein's regime and what he did to the people. It's very very sad (I didn't watch it to the end)

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGkDFVRq_08
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNSkpc1FjXw
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGN6GfNdhE4
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHVdBaN4kD0
Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn1amkuw9U0
Part 6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODCjfqgLlsA

[talibulislam]

since the invasion of kuwait by saddam,iraq is underconstant sanction by united states & there helpers who does not care how many human die with lack of suppy,since those sanction more then 125000 ifants have died already without medicine,firstaid,nutrition,during gulf war in 1991 iraq was constantly bombard by allied evil forces for more then 40days,resulted 260000 civilian deaths,since then iraq is strictly under no fly zone,nothing can go in & out without the will of usa,civilized nation decide to invade iraq after 10years of sanction & distruction cuz they new it,its easy to go in since its weak now,during invasion first on the name of bilogical wapons,then saddam hussian,then iraqi freedom now against terrorism or insurgents,in reality every one knows it was for oil & to stablished base in middle east 4 the security of isreal & future resources,now the estimate death toll including recent rise in killing is more then one million,tell me its not another holocast by civilized nation under the protection of dummy institution call UN.with all that influnce & establisment in iraq by us,uk & other civilized partner u still think iraq has its own justice system to put saddam behind bars or on death row?u really need study or some thing beyond fox news & cnn my friend.

[mbw2h]

:salam2:

He may be a monster as labelled by the media but he was the only one who could control the country. There wasnt all the problems there are now when he was in power.

Dont get be wrong, what he did was wrong but at least he had control.

:wasalam:

control doesn't justify murder.

[mbw2h]

Hallo Paki Idol!
Hallo Stranger786!

About the second video: I think it's not right to take the very worst Americans that committed crimes and then say: all the Americans are like that. This video is a video that uses the suffer of innocent people that had to suffer because of the war – because of Hussein and because of terrorists attacking the US first – to incite hate against the USA. It’s a video that misuses human feelings of sorrow and grief and horror to turn your worldview up-side-down, to teach you to hate America.

In World War II (1939-1995) the American and British Army were bombing and fighting many cities in Germany, millions of german civilians died: men, women, children, innocent people died in these attacks.

The evil – Hitler and the Nazis - had took over Germany and with their lethal ideology the Germans killed millions of Jews, Gipsys, Homosexuals and political opponents. They strongly believed in ‚the Jews are the source of all problems‘, they believed in the shameless fake „protocols of the elders of zion“ which is a fake - they truely believed in that faked hate inciting *!*!*!*!, and lots of Germans – the majority - believed to Hitler and his ideology. I am German and when I was in school I visited one of the concentration camps with my school class, I saw gas-chambers. It’s horrible. Ahmadinejad is such a loon. How can he deny this. It is as if he would go outside, look at the sun and say: there is no sun, no, this is just a fake.

In the end, the US and GB and Russia defeated Germany. Millions of Germans were dead. 6 Millions of Jews and 3 Millions of other minority groups had died in the german concentration camps. Germany’s cities were very much destroyed. Nothing was working. No food, no water, no homes for millions of people that survived the war and thousands came from the former eastern territories that were now annexed by Polen and Russia. But the US didn’t exploit us nor did they treat the germans bad (the majority of the Americans who then occupied Germany – of course some did). Though the germans were the defeated people that had caused the death of thousands of thousands (I think 400.000!) of American soldiers. They helped (West-)Germany to build up our own new democratic constitution and parties and justice system. They supported us building up a strong and healtyh economy. Germany recovered and became a very strong and successful economy. We are living in wealth and peace since over 60 years now. We have a great social system: there is almost no poverty (poor people without work here have a home, food, clothes, school for their children, TV, - all payed by the social system), our social system is even much better than the American social system which is I think not very good! We have all kind of religions here: Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus and more (the huge majority is Christians). Everybody can live their life in freedom. If I’d decided to become Muslim, there is no law that forbids me to become. If a Muslim decides do become Christian, it’ll be very easy for him. Everyone has the same rights and duties.

The US in 2003 fought against an Iraqi goverment which they considered to support and nourish terrorists that wanted to attack the US from inside with terror attacks like 9/11 (and which furthermore opressed the Iraqi people). The US were also very much afraid, that Hussein might start with WMD like nuclear weapons. Why Hussein didn’t cooperate so the UN-sanctions could be taken off years earlier and the people wouldn’t starve and suffer any more? Saddam Hussein saw children dying from hunger and illness. About 500.000 to 1.5 million children were dying during the UNO sanctions against Iraq. Hussein had already used chemical WMD against his own Kurd people in 1988. That’s what Rumsfeld was talking about in the video above, though he is clearly losing his thread and seems to have something like a ‚blackout‘.

Imagine a terrorist attack in say New York, Paris or Berlin with a nuclear bomb. The US might have lied about Hussein allegedly beeing already in possession of such weapons, but the fear was reasonable because even if Hussein was not already in possession of such weapons, he was already preparing to and might be soon in the future. There were more points of reason for the US to invade Iraq I think. All had to do with the threat of islamic terroristic extremistic organisations. Oil is one of these points. An example. Imagine you live in a village and get the water from another village, where the water source is. You pay with money for the water and everybody’s fine with that. I mean, it's only water. But: your life and the life of the village people depend on the water. The other village has a lot of power because it can control you in saying: if you don’t do what we want, we’ll stop the water running for you. That’s perfectly OK for you as long as the other village is your friend. But now imagine a fool with tyrannic ideology who hates your way of life becomes the leader of the other village. He might send killers to you but he might also destroy your system by destroying your economy by stopping the water, even if you are willing to pay money as you always did. It’s also a threat – one among others - that you will have to consider when you want to protect the people of your village. You would not let them die of thirst. I know that Iraq already had stopped delivering oil and the true story is much much more complex but this was only an example.

The west is not the propaganda against Islam! Don’t misunderstand the west. E.g. in my country you can find all kind of opinions, and yes, there are some „islamophobics“ around here in Germany but it’s a few, very few! And even these few are not terroristic, they say, they don’t like Islam because they think: Islam is the source of terrorism. They say that and that’s it. We have perfect free speech here. The vast, very vast majority does not think that Islam is the source of terror but does believe that Islam is a respectable and peaceful religion and that terrorists misuse the religion for some fanatic aims. Just this afternoon I downloaded from an islamic german website a document: a letter from 38 Muslim authorities to the Pope (because of the Pope-speech in Regensburg) and they explain why the Pope was wrong in their eyes – I’m interested in it and downloaded it, everybody can, this is very pro Islam, isn’t it? It obviously doesn’t fit your picture of the west. People here don’t want any bad toward Islam. But people here don’t want extremists, they don’t want islamic terrorism. I mean, that’s natural, isn’t it. And by the way, in 2003 most people here were against the Iraq invasion of the US, even me was against, I was even participating in demonstrations against the war. But today I see things a little different and I can understand the reasons for taking Saddam Hussein off. In 2003 I didn’t know so much about him. As you, I was not so much interested in politics in these days.

The problem is, that I think, what you call ...

... is not telling you the truth or at least only a part of the truth. They’re telling you obviously a conspiracy theory that incites hate against Israel, "the Zionists", the US and the west. And: of course you will find Europeans who completely agree to that conspiracy theory! Don’t get confused by that! You can find any opinion here in Europe! Because it’s all democratic states with free speech here and everybody has the right to express himself. In Germany we do even still have some stupid Nazis, shame on them! Now imagine this! But please don’t believe to such people! They are paranoic people. Don’t give in the attraction of conspiracy theories, don’t think it’s cool to know „the truth behind it all“. Because it’s not the truth. It’s hate. It's not "the Zionists" behind it all. That's not the truth, it's hate! Please get rid of that nightmare! Please listen to my words!

I wish you all the best, Christina

P.S. the internet discussion forum is taking too much of my time, I need more sleep ... please don't be angry or dipappointed if you write an answer and I won't answer any more ... I will read it carefully and with full attention but I think I won't find enough time to answer. There's still a posting in the Pope discussion I need to answer ... after that one I'm going to stop.

Wow, that's well said. Thank you my german friend. I should point out that in the U.S., the vast majority of us are against the war (America as a whole voted for candidates in the last election who would help end the war!) We don't like seeing our friends and family die. We don't like seeing violence daily on the news.



I think

[mbw2h]

America caught him bu America still control everything even the tailor mesure tribunal and justice that has condemned S Hussein. ( some of his lawyers mysteriously murdered etc ..)
Sadam Hussein is sentenced for crimes against Humanity then what about Sharon for instance..
Sadam Hussein isn't a faithful exemple ha has killed many ppl indeed.
No one has the right to judge because Allah Knows better what s wrong and not
wa salam

That's ridiculous. Whoever told you that is lying.

Let's see some evidence.

[mbw2h]

since the invasion of kuwait by saddam,iraq is underconstant sanction by united states & there helpers who does not care how many human die with lack of suppy,since those sanction more then 125000 ifants have died already without medicine,firstaid,nutrition,during gulf war in 1991 iraq was constantly bombard by allied evil forces for more then 40days,resulted 260000 civilian deaths,since then iraq is strictly under no fly zone,nothing can go in & out without the will of usa,civilized nation decide to invade iraq after 10years of sanction & distruction cuz they new it,its easy to go in since its weak now,during invasion first on the name of bilogical wapons,then saddam hussian,then iraqi freedom now against terrorism or insurgents,in reality every one knows it was for oil & to stablished base in middle east 4 the security of isreal & future resources,now the estimate death toll including recent rise in killing is more then one million,tell me its not another holocast by civilized nation under the protection of dummy institution call UN.with all that influnce & establisment in iraq by us,uk & other civilized partner u still think iraq has its own justice system to put saddam behind bars or on death row?u really need study or some thing beyond fox news & cnn my friend.

You are throwing around a lot of numbers. Back it up with evidence please.

[mahdi]

asalamu alykum.i don't think we can say saddam is not a muslim. because whatever he does is between him and his god . so someone who prays and says the shahaada is a muslim but there is a bad muslim and a good muslim. and everyone wrongs . sadam did all hee did because the west were telling him to do. and then they changed to him because of his oil. and now he has to pay for what he did . but don' t say he was not a muslim. i have a question for you all. did you see him not praying, did you hear him say i am not a muslim,i think that is no , don't say io heard someone say.

[Delyan]

That's ridiculous. Whoever told you that is lying.

Let's see some evidence.

U seem to be very implicated but a little bit agressive to me..control yourself plz we re just talking and give our opinions.
I let u the "priviliege" to bring us ur "evidences"

Sister Delyan
wa salam

[Ahmedkaafi]

[QUOTE=Mabsoot;15811]assalamu alaykum,

Some important points:

- More Iraqis are dying now then they were when he was in power.

- Saddam Was most powerful and was killing and gassing people when the US and UK were his allies. They were the ones supplying him with chemicals.

- He is not a Muslim, The late Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Shaykh Abdul Azeez Ibn Baz (Rahimahullah), had fatwa against Saddam since the 1970s stating he was not a Muslim. His beliefs as a Baathist, make him a non-Muslim.

Asalamu Alakum Bro Mabsoot

Allah told us in the quran if we did a wrong we have chance to turn to allah.
Sadam Hussein did a wrong but remember he turn to Allah as we see and his last speach was SHADAH.

Sadam is a some one who died after he turned to Allah,and we have to take care to say someone bad he/she stand up infront of Allah,it will be came the day that Allah says:- This day shall every person be recompensed for wht he earned. this day not injustice(shall be done to any body) truly Alllah is swift in
reckoning. SURAH Gafir Ayah 17

[Islamthetruth]

:salam2:



In my opinion, a murderer deserves nothing less than death. Someone who murders obviously doesn't value life and doesn't deserve to continue living themselves.

Saddam Hussein may have been sentenced to death by hanging by a judge, but no one can judge him as fairly and justly as Allah will on that Day.

:wasalam:

:salam2:

Allah is Merciful and just maybe he is forgiven for the crimes he comitted becuase since his capture and before that he was a good practising muslim. Allah knows best
we should always talk good of a dead even if they are not good.

[Marwa17]

i'm with you on that one islamisthetruth...

[Abdul Hasib]

You say: "I hope one day the larger War Criminals such as Bush, Blair and all their cronies also get tried for their War Crimes"....

...when thousands of US soldiers gave their young life for a free Iraq where people hopefully will live in dignity and freedom one day (the Kurds do already start today: see video: http://links.streamingwizard.com/1st...ustvspot1m.asx)

...when another thousands of US soldiers got blessed or got damaged in their mind health because they tried to stabalize and bring security to Iraq

even if the didn’t succeed yet

And they still do desperately and will not leave until there is a chance to come to some kind of stability for the Iraqis and help the Iraqis to build up their own safety guards and institutions and they still risk their lifes for that.
Read:
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5804

[shama]

:salam2: there is a vdeo on google vidseos the full execution of saddam it's soooooo shocking type in ''saddam hussein execution''

[maisha_d]

assalamu alaykum,

- He is not a Muslim, The late Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Shaykh Abdul Azeez Ibn Baz (Rahimahullah), had fatwa against Saddam since the 1970s stating he was not a Muslim. His beliefs as a Baathist, make him a non-Muslim.





Narrated Abu Dhar:
[073:071 Sahih Bukhari ]


That he heard the Prophet saying, "If somebody accuses another of Fusuq (by calling him 'Fasiq' i.e. a wicked person) or accuses him of Kufr, such an accusation will revert to him (i.e. the accuser) if his companion (the accused) is innocent."
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Allah '3lam how he died and what he believed till the day of his death

To call him a non-believer and a man-killer and to speak bad talk about the dead is forbidden in islam whether he be muslim or non muslim, to talk about what his beliefs were and stating them as facts when is reality no one but Allah knows who is a believer and a non-believer is wrong. There are many people we see at the masjid who look like mashallah, muslims with strong iman but in reality they have hypocrisy in their hearts.


Volume 4, Book 52, Number 147: Sahih Bukhari
Narrated Sahl bin Sad As-Sa'idi:
Allah's Apostle and the pagans faced each other and started fighting. When Allah's Apostle returned to his camp and when the pagans returned to their camp, somebody talked about a man amongst the companions of Allah's Apostle who would follow and kill with his sword any pagan going alone. He said, "Nobody did his job (i.e. fighting) so properly today as that man." Allah's Apostle said, "Indeed, he is amongst the people of the (Hell) Fire." A man amongst the people said, "I shall accompany him (to watch what he does)" Thus he accompanied him, and wherever he stood, he would stand with him, and wherever he ran, he would run with him.
Then the (brave) man got wounded seriously and he decided to bring about his death quickly. He planted the blade of the sword in the ground directing its sharp end towards his chest between his two breasts. Then he leaned on the sword and killed himself. The other man came to Allah's Apostle and said, "I testify that you are Allah's Apostle." The Prophet asked, "What has happened?" He replied, "(It is about) the man whom you had described as one of the people of the (Hell) Fire. The people were greatly surprised at what you said, and I said, 'I will find out his reality for you.' So, I came out seeking him. He got severely wounded, and hastened to die by slanting the blade of his sword in the ground directing its sharp end towards his chest between his two breasts. Then he eased on his sword and killed himself." when Allah's Apostle said, "A man may seem to the people as if he were practising the deeds of the people of Paradise while in fact he is from the people of the Hell) Fire, another may seem to the people as if he were practicing the deeds of the people of Hell (Fire), while in fact he is from the people of Paradise."



Narrated 'Aisha :

The Prophet (p.b.u.h) said, "Don't abuse the dead, because they have reached the result of what they forwarded."
-[ Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 23, Number 476: ]

[Abdul Hasib]

FOR MY UMMAH! FOR MY BROTHERS! FOR MY SISTER! FOR ISLAM! FOR ALLAH! WA ALLAH ALI MUHAMMAD! WA ALLAH ALI MUHAMMAD! YA RASOOLULLAH! YA ALLAHU AKBAR!

"Ya Allah! Ya Allah! Save the beleivers from the fires Ya Allah! La illaha Illala! Muhammadur Rasooloolah! Wa Allah Ali Muhammad!"

WA ASH... HADU... AN NA... MUHAMA... DUR... RASOOL... LOOLAH. FOR ALLAH...

[Abdul Hasib]

MAY ALLAH GUIDE AND BE PLEASED WITH YOU, ALL MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS! ALLAHU AKBAR! SURELY EVERYONE TURNED ME DOWN EXCEPT ALL OF YOU! YOU ALL understand YOU ALL know the truth YOU ALL are my bros and sisters and WE ARE ONE UMMAH THAT SHALL NEVER FALL! ALLAHU AKBAR! ALLAHU AKBAR!