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Mabsoot
06-17-2006, 10:04 PM
http://www.turntoislam.com/images/tti/moors_europe.jpgWhen the Muslims (Moors) Ruled in Europe. This is a must watch for anyone interested in El Andalus and the contributions made by the Muslims. It’s interesting to note that modern day Spaniards are only now beginning to appreciate their Moorish history which is incredible when you consider the contributions made by the Moors, but at least the process has begun. The Spaniards were intent on hiding the Muslim History and achievements made by Muslims and Islam.
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Assalamualaikum brothers and sisters,
It's very sad that this part of history of Islam had been hidden in my history lessons in school many years back. I wonder when this is going to b included as part of real history. Here in Singapore non muslims view Muslims as backward and poor people in the world. I had a tough time convincing them cause i could'nt get my hands on the facts. They only know of Roman, Greek, Chinese etc history no matter how much we have improve in the last 20 years.
The good news is i have tis video to spread around as part of dawah. Alhamdullillah with more videos like these it would ease my point when i have conversations with my non muslims friends insyallah..
Islam is meant for everyone and not to be kept hidden from the eyes of the world.
Remember if Muslims don't spread the message, MUSLIM HATERS will spread more fitnah bout Islam.
Ayep
Mrmuslim
08-01-2006, 05:08 PM
:salam2:'wa
Mrmuslim
08-01-2006, 06:16 PM
One of the reason the Islamic History is not included in the other part of the world because a lot of people don’t want to admit that Islamic science and history effected every part of the world when the Europe use to be in Dark Ages Islam brought education and a lot of science to Europe the Muslims, Christians and Jews scientists were living side by side in peace, and were advancing the sience. But when Queen took over Spain after 700 years under the rule of Muslims they persecuted every Muslim in Spain ... and of course this will not be mentioned in the books
:salam2:
Andalusian
08-01-2006, 09:47 PM
:salam2:
Thank you brother Ameer for sharing this great Video, it shows some sides of the reality wich was hidden from a lot of people like Ayep who did not learned it in school.:) :frown:
Who still saying that muslims used violence in Andalus to fulfil what they have done, is either stupid or he hides reality. It's common sense that to achieve like this exploits in history, two things must be present : security(peace) and water.
So peoples who still saying lies about this period they are cheating and spreading trickery among mankind. Unfortunatly they are alot of like those people who claim being teachers etc. who mislead informations.
Yes Fatima al-Fihriya built Al-Qarawiyyine university in Fes in Morocco, it's the first University in the world, it's not Al-Azhar as people thought. Al-Qarawiyyine was built in 789 however Al-azhar was built in 970 or 972.
Other thing, Tarik ibn Ziyad a "berber" was who leads the arab to spain so anyway "Berber" and Arab people were unified even some bad historians search some stupid arguments and count some events (which are true) so as saying lies about muslims. But the problem people don't want to understand that there are bad muslims and good muslims like in all cultures and islam has nothing to do with bad muslims.
Muslims shouldn't mourn this past, it's only history. They must learn from it but unfortunatly they are doing the same faults : muslims lose their glory in Andalus because they turned to "Red nights" and spending time in music!!!
So perhaps the history is reapting today with all problems in which they are swiming. :astag:
So as not being one of this muslims who missed the straight path, be one of the members of turntoislam:)
Hihihi
08-16-2006, 09:00 PM
asc hi this is alll true that he/she wrote
Nudge
09-25-2006, 06:46 PM
This video has some errors. Muhammad did not "found" medina, he effectively reverted a large amount of the population and brought them together as one people. Islam was also not a cult, and religions weren't being experimented with. Rather, Pagan idols represented each tribe, and all tribes accepted this idolatry. Just because they all had different dieties did not mean they were any different: there was no dawah, there was familial ties. This video takes the foreigner's side of the entire event, still shrouding Islam itself in a blanket of fear although accepting the empire as a truly righteous one.
American Muslim
10-24-2006, 04:11 PM
I enjoyed this short film, and I learned very much from it. I would like to truly thank and bless all of the brothers and sisters who pointed out inconsistencies with the documentary. Before we pick it apart, we should remember a few things. This is a highly polished film, and appears to have been made for a mainline television channel. As such, we Muslims are not really the target audience for this film. It appears to have been made by kaffirs for the benefit of other kaffirs. Anything which paints Islam in a positive light should be applauded.
I will make du'a for everyone connected with this film from writing to lighting and everyone inbetween.
Thank you for bringing this film to my attention.
Shahzad
01-28-2007, 01:41 PM
asalam o alaikum.
is there any one living in Spain?
Specially in Gernada ,toledo or cordobah?
Please reply
wsalam
Shahzad
madskillsforlife
04-05-2007, 02:47 AM
http://www.turntoislam.com/images/tti/moors_europe.jpgWhen the Muslims (Moors) Ruled in Europe. This is a must watch for anyone interested in El Andalus and the contributions made by the Muslims. It’s interesting to note that modern day Spaniards are only now beginning to appreciate their Moorish history which is incredible when you consider the contributions made by the Moors, but at least the process has begun. The Spaniards were intent on hiding the Muslim History and achievements made by Muslims and Islam.
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this is very interesting
:salah:
ke_paris
04-11-2007, 12:22 AM
Salam Walekoum Shahzad,
I have been in Granada for some months and i still have contacts there... and Alhambra is 95 % of local economy.
Toledo (Tolaytela in arabic - arround 60 km south of Madrid) same : historical relegion monuments (of the 3 relegions) representing the most part of center local economy.
Sevilla, etc and All Andalous region ... really good destinations for those can use my recommandation.
now i live in paris.
Wassalam
alkathiri
06-04-2007, 01:28 PM
:salam2:
Very , very interesting
Must watch if u have a lot of free time
Wiseguy74
06-04-2007, 02:01 PM
very nice masha allah.
justoneofmillion
06-05-2007, 05:55 PM
assalam,thank for sharing beautiful and very inspiring i have been to Andalusia and you know what it feels just like home..........lol the streets,houses smells mentality everything that is so cool ..........OLLEH:)
wassalam
rasim
06-14-2007, 09:00 PM
I have sought for a subtitle regarding to the video.However i couldn't find it.Is there anyone a volunteer to write English subtitle.Afterwards i will translate it to Turkish.
frasera
07-29-2007, 11:07 PM
this is such nonsense. in this show it states that The Spaniards (under Visigoth rule) "enthusiastically gave up their land for protection". really? thats pretty rare in history, especially when people have to submit to second class status and give up their land. are you going to believe the palestinians welcomed their new overlords as well? give me a break. this show was a bit of propaganda put out to appease certain communities during a time of conflict. the humiliation of the dhimmis is something you can dismiss because bigotry is just accepted.
oumyaquine
07-29-2007, 11:23 PM
:salam2: MACHA'ALLAH, may allah reward you brother (a thousand times inch'Allah) My family in law is from Spain and they totally refuse this part of the history(Astaghfirullah):tti_sister: :wasalam:
falomar
07-30-2007, 02:03 AM
The Inquisition....(I don't know how much you know about history) when the King Ferdinand of Aragon and Queen Isabella of Castile King of Spain told all Muslims (you know Spain was dominated by Moors for around 700 years if I'm not mistaken), Jews and Gitanos (also called Romany or Gypsies)that if they would not convert to catholicism they had to leave the country .....and that was before, but close to the time of Christopher Columbus first voyage to America.....Following the fall of the arab stronghold of Granada on January 2, 1492, there was a renewed impetus to remove Jews from Spain. On March 31, 1492, the Edit of Expulsion was signed. The deadline for Jews (and muslims) to leave Spain was August 3, 1492. Columbus and his crew boarded their vessels before midnight, and on the August 3rd sailed before sunrise.....So....according to some people who trace back the roots of their lastnames, (spanish, latinos living in the caribbean and South America), they found out that their lastnames come from those Moors and Jews that did came to America.....Yes, they don't teach that at school.....but those are the rumors somepeople know.
And well,..this might sound funny to some of you and I don't know if its true but I want to share it with you:
Some people even say Columbus was a jew himself and that he knew the earth was round because he read that passage of the bible that says :"It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in". ....Isaias 40:22.....hehe..
oumyaquine
07-30-2007, 07:54 AM
Some people even say Columbus was a jew himself and that he knew the earth was round because he read that passage of the bible that says :"It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in". ....Isaias 40:22.....hehe..
Well, I've personally also heard about that,but don't know if it true. It was in Argentina where i lived for seven years. Salam
falomar
07-30-2007, 01:33 PM
Some people even say Columbus was a jew himself and that he knew the earth was round because he read that passage of the bible that says :"It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in". ....Isaias 40:22.....hehe..
Well, I've personally also heard about that,but don't know if it true. It was in Argentina where i lived for seven years. Salam
Somehow I tend to believe that it's true.....after all, the bible is divided in two: Old testament and New Testament, being Old testament the history of the people of Israel also (Adam, Abraham, Isaac, Ismael, etc) and the new testament referring to the new Christians....so...maybe we can't give much credit to the "christian's book"...but yes , some credit to the "Old Testament"...and Isaias 40:22 belongs to the Old testament.
abdul ghaleeb
09-08-2007, 08:46 PM
my ancestors got kicked out of that place
its sad all lost
Al-Gharib
09-27-2007, 01:56 AM
jazakallah khair for posting this up... it's always interesting to look back at islamic history...
Allahu_Hassbi
09-27-2007, 08:26 AM
:salam2:
Simply suberb video.
Jazak Allahu Alf Alf Khairan for sharing this magnificent video.
assalam,thank for sharing beautiful and very inspiring i have been to Andalusia and you know what it feels just like home..........lol the streets,houses smells mentality everything that is so cool ..........OLLEH:)
wassalam
Justoneofmillion!!
U have been to Andalucia? Wow You r so lucky to have witnessed such splendid places.
Islamic places like in Andalucia &Turkey always facinates me.
Hope i go there too one day.(Inshallah)
:wasalam:
OnlyOne
04-23-2008, 08:00 PM
Very interesting video! Watching this video actually provoked me to read other books and watch other documentaries on it. Now I plan to study there in the future InshaAllah. :D Jazaak Allahu khayran for posting this and sharing this beautiful Muslim history with us!
Zaynab123
12-28-2008, 04:09 PM
Asalamu alaykum
Allahu Akbar! truth will reveal it self insha Allah. i never knew muslims lived or ruled in spain. Allahu Akbar! we are so close. jazak ALlahu khayra for sharing this nice video.
wasalam
Zafran
12-28-2008, 07:25 PM
salaam
intresting documnetray.
Zafran
12-28-2008, 07:30 PM
this is such nonsense. in this show it states that The Spaniards (under Visigoth rule) "enthusiastically gave up their land for protection". really? thats pretty rare in history, especially when people have to submit to second class status and give up their land. are you going to believe the palestinians welcomed their new overlords as well? give me a break. this show was a bit of propaganda put out to appease certain communities during a time of conflict. the humiliation of the dhimmis is something you can dismiss because bigotry is just accepted.
The Jizya was and can still be sophistcated system - the spanish at the time had a bad social and economic infrastructure - thats similar to the Jerusalem under the Byzantines - the muslim came and liberated some of the places - they let the non muslims keep there land, religion and follow there own laws, they even gave them high positions, Dhimmis are not second class citizens but pay the Jizya becaus its a tax - they dont have to pay Zakat, sadqa, be in the army and there land, rights, honor and property is protected under the muslims rule as long as they pay tax just like any country.
this "idea" that dhimmis have no rights is a joke.
shawny
02-07-2009, 11:49 PM
wow, i am from the uk and i haven't heard much about this history before. it's strange to think what the world could have been like if christians hadn't expelled muslims from spain. It's kind of sad in a way. Islam in most cases is shown to be full of fanatics and people who are from the east with very little worthy knowledge...this video with it's short piece of history shows that without Islam, western europe could've been so very different.
Thank you so much for this post, it shows me how ignorant i have been about the history of christianity and Islam.
Shawny
PARVEZ SHAHIDI
02-08-2009, 03:22 AM
:salam2:
Thanks for posting.
Sacred_Thought
02-10-2009, 02:47 AM
The Jizya was and can still be sophistcated system - the spanish at the time had a bad social and economic infrastructure - thats similar to the Jerusalem under the Byzantines - the muslim came and liberated some of the places - they let the non muslims keep there land, religion and follow there own laws, they even gave them high positions, Dhimmis are not second class citizens but pay the Jizya becaus its a tax - they dont have to pay Zakat, sadqa, be in the army and there land, rights, honor and property is protected under the muslims rule as long as they pay tax just like any country.
this "idea" that dhimmis have no rights is a joke.
The only purpose of Jizya is to encourage non-Muslims to join Islam. The taxes can be so high that those who choose not to convert are subject to elevated levels of poverty, discrimination, and so forth. No? Look at Iran. Why doesn't the West invoke a form of Jizya on its Muslim subjects? Oh, because... that would be racist :)
slaveofAllah88
02-10-2009, 03:25 AM
The only purpose of Jizya is to encourage non-Muslims to join Islam. The taxes can be so high that those who choose not to convert are subject to elevated levels of poverty, discrimination, and so forth. No? Look at Iran. Why doesn't the West invoke a form of Jizya on its Muslim subjects? Oh, because... that would be racist :)
:salam2: ( peace be upon you)
im guessing you didn't read Islamic history i took a class in my univ in North America by a American teacher not a muslim and she clarified that Jizya was really small amount of taxes it wasn't too much, its like any goverment that puts small amount plus most of the non-muslim settlers were pretty rich,
also even now in canada the Natives dont have to pay any tax but everyone does that does mean everyone is going to convert to native religions so we could be considered like that
Please ur being illogical no one gives us their beliefs just for some money.
Sacred_Thought
02-10-2009, 03:37 AM
For some money, no. To get out of economic hardship, perhaps.
The origin of the Bosniaks arises partially from this. The Ottomans taxed them harshly.
slaveofAllah88
02-10-2009, 04:09 AM
For some money, no. To get out of economic hardship, perhaps.
The origin of the Bosniaks arises partially from this. The Ottomans taxed them harshly.
:salam2:
actually ottomans taxed everyone according to history cuz they needed all the money they can for their empire,
and then again if someone changes their religion just for money then they r the worse person out there ... people actually understood islam and then converted otherwise conversion is a big thing
Sacred_Thought
02-10-2009, 05:07 AM
Well, that is a reason why the Serbs have such an issue with Bosnian Muslims (Bosniaks) in the former Yugoslavia. They (the Serbs) felt that the Bosniaks abandoned Christianity to get an easy ticket out of the Jizya. The Serbs had it easier: They lived in the mountains, where the Ottomans either didn't bother with or didn't care to bother dealing with the Serbs, thus allowing them to retain their Christianity. When Yugoslavia fell apart, the Serbs let the Bosniaks know just how they felt. It isn't condoning what happened there by any stretch, mind. Merely taking what your point ("then they r the worse person out there") and applying it from a Serbian standpoint.
Rashadi
02-10-2009, 09:18 AM
Well, that is a reason why the Serbs have such an issue with Bosnian Muslims (Bosniaks) in the former Yugoslavia. They (the Serbs) felt that the Bosniaks abandoned Christianity to get an easy ticket out of the Jizya. The Serbs had it easier: They lived in the mountains, where the Ottomans either didn't bother with or didn't care to bother dealing with the Serbs, thus allowing them to retain their Christianity. When Yugoslavia fell apart, the Serbs let the Bosniaks know just how they felt. It isn't condoning what happened there by any stretch, mind. Merely taking what your point ("then they r the worse person out there") and applying it from a Serbian standpoint.
Sorry but that is not true because Muslims must pay Zakat and it wouldn't make sense to convert to avoid jizya and now have to pay zakat, and jizya is not for everyone but only males of certain ages and only those who could afford. Jizya is means of protection, it guarantees safety and the services offered to all citizens. Actually, Christians, Jews and many others loved living under living under Muslims rather than under their own leaders because they had rights which were denied by their owm. this is not my opinion but a fact which is admitted and proven by christian/western scholars themselves. If it were not for Muslims, the church of my parents (Nestorians) of Iraq would not have survived because they were declared heretics by other Christians and were persecuted and killed for centuries.
Muslims never forced people to convert nor did they kill those who refused because Islam is complete and clear to the honest, sincere and truth seekers. If one is not willing to revert to Islam, they paid jizya which exempted them from military and this was a small fee for all the services provided. I can bring you books and quotes from bishops, priests, and historians praising the Muslims and how they were welcomed by the many native people of the various lands. I suggest you get your information from reliable sources unless you are too prejudice to do so. Also, with all due respect, but I have noticed by reading your posts on here that you are verey misinformed about Islam but you have made sure to observe the actions of ignorant Muslims or of those who do not practice it. When I was a Christian, I was full have hatred and bigotry toward Islam and all my information was twisted and false. Had I not investigated on my own with honesty, I would probably be in jail right now for killing innocent Muslims but here I am today and i am thankful to God.
If you are here to learn about Islam, you have found the right place but if you have other agendas such as making false statements or debating about your opinions, i would say save your breath because you would only be wasting time on useless stuff. If you have questions or need something clarified, please ask and we'll answer your questions InshaAllah.
Rashadi
02-10-2009, 09:48 AM
For some money, no. To get out of economic hardship, perhaps.
The origin of the Bosniaks arises partially from this. The Ottomans taxed them harshly.
Not true and no real historian has ever suggested such evidence ever. In fact, there is evidence to prove the contrary. Muslims ruled eastern Europe for centuries and if that were the case they would have done so to the greeks, Romanians, etc but they didn't. If that were indeed true for the sake of argument, Jews and Christians would not have been fleeing by night to come live under the Ottomans and other Muslims. The only religion to spread by force, deception, fraught and by all sorts of dirty tactics was Christianity and that too is admitted by Christian scholars. Ever heard of Will Durant? I doubt you would read that because it doesn't comply with your prejudices.
The jizya was only to protect and guarantee the rights of non-Muslims and it is unfortunate that Christians were not tolerant toward even their own. No one has killed more Christians than Christians have and no one has murdered more people than Christians have. It was Christianity which practiced forced conversions, killing people for refusing to convert and practiced total intolerance. These are not my opinions but the statements and proven facts of historians and scholars. When I say scholars and historians, I mean real ones not them clowns that the Islam haters love to quote as "experts" when they are laughed at. Your prejudices are evident but you know what? As a Muslim, I am obligated to be honest and just whether against my foe or friend and no matter how much I may dislike someone or something, i must be honest and fair. i will not slander my enemy nor bring him to his knees like a coward. I don't have lie or slander Christianity because the truth about its history and spread is available and admitted by honest Christian historians.
Unlike Islam haters, I don't have to slander anyone and I wouldn't be able to even if I wanted to do so. However, when it comes to Islam, those wishing to attack it can't come up with anything real so they turn to bigots whose works are rejected and laughed at even by Christian historians. Those who attack Islam and make slanders against it are in reality guilty of the things they accuse Islam of. Out of embarrassment they have to accuse Islam of what they are guilty of. You may assume I hate Christianity but it is the contrary. all my family except my two brothers are Christians, I have friends who are Christian and I too used to be one. Now you will not catch me elsewhere or on Christian sites attacking, insulting and slandering them and you sure as heck will not find me on here bashing or lying about them.
I don't have to lie about it nor am i slandering when I say that Christians have killed more people than anyone else, and in the last 200 years alone they have killed more than Muslims have in 1,400 years. I am also not slandering when I say it was Christians who forced people to convert at the pain of death and killed people just for religion. What you say about Islam is slander, it is false and has no basis in history. If Muslims would have borrowed christian tactics, it would not only be the fastest growing religion, as it is right now and second largest over all, but it would have been bigger than many religions combined, however, Muslims never adopted that and they weren't allowed even if they wanted to because the Quran and Sunnah prohibit forced conversions or using deception. My duty is not to "save" you because only God saves people but my duty is only to let others know about Islam with honesty and the rest is up to the individual and God.
The nations with some of the largest Muslim populations are those which never saw a Muslim army or conquest and even those lands which were for centuries under Islamic rule still have non-Muslims and their places of worship are still standing. The funniest of all the lie that Bosniaks were over taxed and that is why they embraced Islam when that is not true. The jizya was never more than a person could handle and it was even better than zakat because in Islam both men and women are obliged to pay Zakat while jhizya is only for the men of certain ages. I shouldn't even have to write thins long but I thought I point out the falsehood in your statement and there are books after books which are written by Christian historians and some where even anti-Muslim yet they too admit the Muslim tolerance. I know your types and I deal with them all the time elsewhere and I know where they get their sources from. If I remember correctly, you stated that you know one Quranic verse by heart and that's the one about hitting women, hmmm I wonder why only that one, but then again, I am not shocked at all.
The truth of Islam is available to all who are interested and those who are arrogant, prejudice and reject the truth after it is clear, it is up to God to deal with them just as He will deal with all of us accurately, wisely and Justly. May Allah guide you and all of us to the straight path, Amin.
Sacred_Thought
02-10-2009, 07:49 PM
The emergence of a Muslim Slavic element in Bosnia was the result of the Ottoman conquest of the Balkans. Throughout the whole of Balkans people converted in small amounts to Islam in order to escape the burden of taxation and resulting social discrimination.
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosniaks
The nations with some of the largest Muslim populations are those which never saw a Muslim army or conquest and even those lands which were for centuries under Islamic rule still have non-Muslims and their places of worship are still standing. The funniest of all the lie that Bosniaks were over taxed and that is why they embraced Islam when that is not true. The jizya was never more than a person could handle and it was even better than zakat because in Islam both men and women are obliged to pay Zakat while jhizya is only for the men of certain ages. I shouldn't even have to write thins long but I thought I point out the falsehood in your statement and there are books after books which are written by Christian historians and some where even anti-Muslim yet they too admit the Muslim tolerance. I know your types and I deal with them all the time elsewhere and I know where they get their sources from. If I remember correctly, you stated that you know one Quranic verse by heart and that's the one about hitting women, hmmm I wonder why only that one, but then again, I am not shocked at all.
Much of northern India was converted by force. Don't take it from me, seek it out on your own. My word is no good.
daywalker
02-10-2009, 08:29 PM
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosniaks
Top class references. Good luck for searching the truth *thumbs up*
dont get schock if u read tomorrow in wiki that i am the next US president.
Zafran
02-10-2009, 09:17 PM
The only purpose of Jizya is to encourage non-Muslims to join Islam. The taxes can be so high that those who choose not to convert are subject to elevated levels of poverty, discrimination, and so forth. No? Look at Iran. Why doesn't the West invoke a form of Jizya on its Muslim subjects? Oh, because... that would be racist :)
Salaam
the west charges tax - some people can run away from it such as rich people - Lakshmi Mittel and Philip Green who pay less tax just beacsue they are rich enough to move to monoco (safe hevens) whilst the rest of the people cant run away form it beacsue they are not rich enough to go to safe havens - there is always discrimniation in tax -
no your wrong the only purpose of Jizya is not to make them muslim - it is there to pay for there policing - Jizya is only 5% - somebody has to pay for it - they dont have to pay Zakat, sadaqa or state tax - they are also allowed to live by there own laws - look at how Omar ibn Kattab (ra)treated them.
Iran is not an Islamic state there is no caliph there.
and yes Wikipedia is not realy the best source to back your claims.......
By the way Islam is not a race so it wouldnt be racism. :)
Rashadi
02-10-2009, 09:23 PM
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosniaks
Much of northern India was converted by force. Don't take it from me, seek it out on your own. My word is no good.
What a joke and what a freaking clown. How in the world did I know the sources where you get your crap from? Wkipedia is a real source? are joking with me? Please don't waste my time and don't embarrass yourself. I just got done humiliating a so called "expert" in this field and all his claims were opinions and he has not been able to bring one piece of evidence from real sources where, A, Muslims killed people just for religion and, B, Muslims forced people to convert by torture. Of course your word is no good neither is mine if it is only my own opinion and on top of that it is false. Northern India was not forced into Islam and let me guess you got that from Wikipedia too huh? My goodness people of your types are so desperate yet have nothing in reality but opinion and bigotry. However, let us see what historians have to say about India, and this too by a Christian missionary and historian who spent a long time in India and write many books on Islam. You see, people that make such slanders do not know what it takes to be a real historian and that is why the Islam haters have to turn to lies, opinions and wikipedia because there is no real evidence to prove their claims but there is a whole lot to prove the contrary. Again these are not my opinions nor did I get this from my grandma but from real historians, and they are not Muslims on top of that.
Huston Smith
"…Muslims point to the long centuries during which in India, Spain, and the Near East, Christians, Jews, and Hindus lived quietly and in freedom under Muslim rule. Even under the worst caliphs, Christians and Jews held positions of influence and in general retained their religious freedom. The Christians, not Muslims, we are reminded, expelled the Jews in the fifteenth century from Spain where they had lived in freedom while the Muslims were in power. To press this example: Spain and Anatolia changed hands at about the same time — Christians expelled the Moors from Spain while Muslims conquered what is now Turkey. Every Muslim was driven from Spain, or put to the sword, or forced to convert, whereas the seat of the Eastern Orthodox Church remains in Istanbul to this day. Indeed, if comparisons are the issue, Muslims consider Christianity’s record to be the darker of the two. Who was it, they ask, who preached the Crusades in the name of the Prince of Peace? Who instituted the inquisition, invented the rack and the stake as instruments of religion, and plunged Europe into its devastating wars of religion?[5] "
Thomas W. Arnold
"We have never heard about any attempt to compel non-Muslim parties to adopt Islam or about any organized persecution aiming at exterminating Christianity. If the Caliphs had chosen one of these plans, they would have wiped out Christianity as easily as what happened to Islam during the reign of Ferdinand and Isabella in Spain; by the same method which Louis XIV followed to make Protestantism a creed whose followers were to be sentenced to death; or with the same ease of keeping the Jews away from Britain for a period of three hundred fifty years.[4] "
Thomas W Arnold about Hindus:
"That the conversion were in the main voluntary, may be judged from the toleration that the Arabs, after the first violence of their onslaught, showed towards their idolatrous subjects. The people of Brahmanabad, for example, whose city had been taken by storm, were allowed to repair their temple, which was a means of livelihood to the Brahmans, and nobody was to be forbidden or prevented from following his own religion, and generally, where submission was made, quarter was readily given, and the people were permitted the exercise of their own creeds and laws. (p. 272)"
" The history of proselytising movements and the social influences that brought about their attention, and most of the commonly accessible histories of the Muhammadans in Indian, whether written by Europeans or by native authors, are mere chronicles of wars, campaigns and the achievements of princes, in which little mention of the religious life of the time finds a place, unless it has taken the form of fanaticism or intolerance. (p. 255) "
Again, there are many more to refute the lie and thanks for giving me your references because it only shows that I was right about my assumtion of where people of your types get their sources from.
daywalker
02-10-2009, 09:27 PM
What a joke and what a freaking clown.
:salam2: brother leave calling anyone with any titles. May Allah guide them to the truth.
Sacred_Thought
02-11-2009, 12:41 AM
It doesn't matter what I post because whatever I post to the contrary will be hit with "It's biased, it's biggoted, it's racist, it's not true." Even if it is the truth.
So whether my sources are from a person who actually lived there to one of the Prophets themself, if it doesn't agree with you, why should you believe it?
slaveofAllah88
02-11-2009, 01:37 AM
It doesn't matter what I post because whatever I post to the contrary will be hit with "It's biased, it's biggoted, it's racist, it's not true." Even if it is the truth.
So whether my sources are from a person who actually lived there to one of the Prophets themself, if it doesn't agree with you, why should you believe it?
:salam2:
well like you are reasoning so are other people but we feel like ur disapproving what the other people are showing and alot of things you said are basically from what the media say LIke can you seriously think about stuff and look at the ref given to you then say that .... And how can we not say they r not biased cuz they r
daywalker
02-11-2009, 08:30 AM
:salam2:
well like you are reasoning so are other people but we feel like ur disapproving what the other people are showing and alot of things you said are basically from what the media say LIke can you seriously think about stuff and look at the ref given to you then say that .... And how can we not say they r not biased cuz they r
:wasalam: yeah like the way people told us to believe dick cheney and rumsfeld pure sources, it was such a reliable sources that they repent later who told us to believe in it! How do we even know its the truth, if people become emotional and says i dont have any reliable references but believe it, sake of Truth!
asalaf salih
01-17-2011, 07:05 AM
:salam2:
Simply suberb video.
Jazak Allahu Alf Alf Khairan for sharing this magnificent video.
Justoneofmillion!!
U have been to Andalucia? Wow You r so lucky to have witnessed such splendid places.
Islamic places like in Andalucia &Turkey always facinates me.
Hope i go there too one day.(Inshallah)
:wasalam:
Try to avoid using pics especially if it' s not yours. It' srealy a big sin.
Jazzakah Lah
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