Muslims as portrayed by Bollywood

[muslim]

:salam2:

Islamophobia is detailed and personified in this short video regarding the apalling portrayal of Muslims and Islam in the world's largest film industry bollywood.

Take a moment to look and laugh at the trash, and then reflect on the words of the Qur’aan that start and end this video clip.
And if possible suggest your views on tackling this.
May ALLAH guide us all.

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[ashah]

:salam2:
Very nicely made.

[Karima]

Asalamualikum,

It is ashame for movies to be made of untruths....anything that takes away from Allah is a waste of time. This movie is one example of how much time people use to produce a false notion. Alhamdulillah for eyes to see and ears to hear the truth of Allah.

Sallam

[br_rizwan]

:wasalam:


grEAT wORK
MAY ALLAH SWT GUIDE US
:salam2:

[zarah]

:bismillah:

:salam2:

Jazzak-Allah Khair for sharing the video.

Some People get corrupted watching indian films.

:wasalam:

[sudanesemuslim]

salam my brothers and sisters

bollywood is nothing but a hollywood wanna bee oh yeah by the way i feel bad for the muslim actors in it they look bad by the way if my omment doesnt match the video it is cuz i cant watch it for some reason can u help me

ma salama

[sudanesemuslim]

salam

he video workes but i dont get it so when they watch bollyood movies the women who was praying became christian

[Ahmed ibn Ibrahim]

Okay, first of all: if this is what India calls entertainment ... wow, what garbage. I almost wonder if I'll ever be able to watch ANY movies again now that I'm a Muslim.

Secondly, where does the hate come from? Perhaps there WERE some misguided Muslims that did execute judgement in the past? Hate only begets hate, killing only begets more killing. "Peace be with you" is the first and last thing to come out of a Muslim's mouth when speaking, generally.

Coming from Christianity, I fully understand that there are good believers and then there are misguided believers - of every faith. I can accept that there may have been killing in the past. What I can't accept is that India's entertainment industry is wallowing in that hatred, and by doing so they inflict torment on themselves and onto others (Muslims, in this case).

May Allah open their eyes to LIFE, as well as the truth about the hereafter. Wow, just wow... This sort of "entertainment"/thoughts get noone anywhere; What positive growth can come of this? Ever heard of forgiveness? Ever heard of being brothers and sisters in humanity? Gah ...

I want to learn more about the history and the reasons for the hatred, but I don't think I'll be able to bring myself to watch much more of these Islamophobia videos just yet. They break my heart... Would someone please give me a brief, and fair history of the Pakistan/India conflict? I know Pakistan/Muslims are partly to blame as well as India/Hindus, but beyond that I know nothing.

[dna1987]

Okay, first of all: if this is what India calls entertainment ... wow, what garbage. I almost wonder if I'll ever be able to watch ANY movies again now that I'm a Muslim.

Well, most of the movies that come out from Bollywood are..well garbage as you put it. And we all know who controls Hollywood, spending money to watch their movies would be supporting them. I wonder on how many levels your decision not to watch movies will benefit the Muslim community on the whole.. ;)

[west]

Hollywood has always portrayed Islam in a negative light. Why should Bollywood not follow suit?

[Ahmed ibn Ibrahim]

And we all know who controls Hollywood, spending money to watch their movies would be supporting them. I wonder on how many levels your decision not to watch movies will benefit the Muslim community on the whole.. ;)

... uhm, forgive my ignorance brother, but who all controls Hollywood? I have access to a fairly comprehensive (or so I am reasonably sure) diagram of who controls Western "entertainment" - but I haven't studied it much, nor do I know who the REAL puppetmasters are. Care to enlighten me, please? ;D

Western "Entertainment" Structure linkage: http://freedomfiles.org/usmedia.pdf

I have to debate your impression that ALL Western movies are worthless: For instance, The Matrix opened many people's eyes to this idea of a "mental prison that you can neither see nor taste nor touch" and other incredible concepts; V for Vendetta basically outlines in graphic detail what the US government agencies are inflicting upon their own citizens; Lord of the Rings brought about in a fantasy setting a different perspective on how Evil/Satan controls others through fear, greed, and blackened hearts. Of course, none of these movies actually show you the explicit reality which we are doomed to endure here on Earth, but with Allah and the eternal in mind as you watch them - eyes are opening up to the real Truth. Like mine, for instance. ;D

[muslim]

salam

he video workes but i dont get it so when they watch bollyood movies the women who was praying became christian

Assalamualaikum Brother,

From what I understand from that scene is, she prays namaz first and then worships the cross and then worships the idols trying to convey the audience that all the religions should be followed (or you can even name it a secularism propaganda).which is 100% false, wrong and impossible.

The truth is,
"There is no deity worthy to worship except ALLAH and prophet MOHAMMAD:saw: is the messenger of ALLAH"

And also atleast half of the people who feed bollywood are muslims and for sure this will effect the muslims who lack islamic knowledge and obviously our enemy, shaytan suggests him with thousand more questions in his mind.

May ALLAH guide us all on the right path.

And ALLAH the exalted knows best.

[O. Syed]

O boy, I know I'll catch heat for this but here goes, THAT VIDEO IS AN EXAGGERATION.

As for the woman, being a Muslim and also using a Cross that's Bollywood for You, you find similar stupidity concerning portrayal of Hindus. There are no doubt some movies with this kind of thing but on the most part that video is basically Just showing a bad portrayal of Muslims by taking short clips of movies out, I'll give you an example. The woman in the Hijab about to shoot that other woman, it probably was for a good reason and if you noticed a man being portrayed as a Muslim stopped her saying "What are you doing?" in Hindi.

No doubt, Bollywood is some real stupidity and it's better off done with but I'm just telling you from an unbiased stand point, I myself used to watch these movies, that this is just such an exaggeration. I can tell u right now there are so many Movies where Muslims are shown as a devout, but at the same time peaceful people...

:salam2:

[cedric098]

Hollywood has always portrayed Islam in a negative light. Why should Bollywood not follow suit?



Yeah brother. Couldn't agree more... it's very popular to do so! Why would bollywood miss the opportunity!;)

[mr. ok]

:bismillah:

:salam2: my dear brothers and sisters (Muslims & non-Muslims).

It does not matter what people say as long as you know where you stand. Only the ignorant (& the illiterates) can be misleaded (go astray). Their saying does not change anything. Anyone can bark gibberish out. The bite is what really matters (evidence/proof). I hope you got strong teeth (knowledge). No one can effect Islam in anyway!

Islam will always be and will prosper on in the future. Islam is here to stay forever. Islam will always be in our hearts and no one can take that away from us. Paying attention to inconsequential thoughts (of ignorant people) and accusations that hold no ground is just a waste of time. Its like their trying to tell us what Islam is about. Its like telling a teacher what he/she is teaching when you dont have a clue what's the subject about. They hardly touched the surface of Islam. By spreading propaganda they only make themselves look foolish.

May ALLAH open their eyes so they can stop hallucinating and realize what is really going on. They need to put their bias, stereotype, propaganda minds aside of them and think for a moment and ask themselves where am i getting my "facts" from? Their biggest fault is that they judge Islam based on the people who claim to be Muslims. Its like me calling christians racist murderers for what the Klu Klux Klan (KKK) and Nazis did. They dont even know what Muslim means. I always tell my brothers and sisters (non-Muslims) that the term Muslim has a deeper meaning to it. If they knew what Muslim meant then they wouldnt be insane enough to associate a Muslim with a terrorist. Saying Muslims are terrorist is an oxymoron!

When you bring up the KKK's against them (to make a point) then they say thats different. "They claim to be Christians but we (Christians) know they are not." Right (with some sarcasm), but when it comes to Islam all of a sudden they fail to reason.

I have yet to see evidence that supports their accusations. If Islam supports terrorism in anyway then i would be the first one strapped in dynamics. I wouldn't be here a long time ago.

Best Regards,

Mr. Ok

[mosabaig]

:bismillah1:

:salam2:

With the mixed up:SMILY153: methologies and muddled up minds :confused:of the friends of the

darkness and haters of the light of islam, bollywood, hollywood or even

lollywood is good woody area to hide and make money as well from the

pleasure :SMILY288:seekers at cost of making ALLah and Rasool upset....we should

avoid all this garbage to enter our house and minds....:astag: :astag: :astag: :salah:
..

[Submitter]

:salam2:

Bollywood films are utter trash these days anyway. The heros have to be all muscly; the heroins have to be slim and wear degrading skimpy clothes; and the stories are very often copied or derived from hollywood films. I just find them to be pathetic and they'll get worse as their morality level drops and india "becomes more secular and westernised".

I can't remember the last time i watched a bollywood film (it was probably in the late 90s) but I hear since then, kissing scenes have become common (which were unheard of back then) and no doubt soon enough scenes of nudity and sex will become common too. It's just all downhill for them now...

:wasalam:

[zarah]

:salam2:

Well said!::muslim_child: :jumpclap:

:wasalam:

[shabnum]

:salam2:

what a load of garbage what are they trying to prove that us muslims are some kind of terrorists, islam is peace.



hate it when they twist the story around, when its them in reality doing all the killing and torture.


:wasalam:

[Najmoen]

Brother and sisters As Salaamu Alykum

Eventhough this is a bad portrayal of Muslim actions, we should not take it out of context. According to the storyline, the plundering and burning in this movie was done my a group of Hindus, arranged by the Chief of Police to imitate Muslims by way of their dress code and their takbeer, so that the Hindu witnesses would think and say that they were actually attacked by Muslims and as a consequence take up arms, retaliate and kill many Muslims -any Muslim.

Having said that, it speaks volumes of Hindu resentment for Muslims especially the script writer. Qur'an tells us emphatically that the unbelievers will not stop their persecution of Muslims, not until Muslims believe like they do.:astag:

Boycotting movies is a excellent idea but will really only impact on their finances if done by the entire Muslim Ummah as a whole. The loss to Bollyhood can be best spent on Islamic Da'wah to the Hindus, as muslims we owe it to them. Just think that on al youmui deen when they are questioned, they will answer that the Muslims did not invite them to Deenul Islam.

[ayazmcse]

You can not call a person a Muslim if his/her name is just like muslims. Bollywood actors (which u have mentioned Muslims) are not muslims. their names are just like Muslims.
Allah Hafiz

salam my brothers and sisters

bollywood is nothing but a hollywood wanna bee oh yeah by the way i feel bad for the muslim actors in it they look bad by the way if my omment doesnt match the video it is cuz i cant watch it for some reason can u help me

ma salama

[MOSABJA]

Bollywood's anti Islamic stance is mainly due to Kashmir cause and the creation of Pakistan which was a part of India and separated on ideological basis.
THERE is a strong campaign going on in Pakistan to ban these movies .Specially in Northern province of Pakistan any person caught watching or selling these movies is FINED AND HIS HAIR AND EYE BROWS ARE SHAVED.

[Nazihah]

It's really disgraceful to watch bollywood movies which portrays on Islam (mostly). There's one movie called 'Fanaa', they have this song i think tittled as "SubhanAllah". The movie is not even presenting the character as a religious person. The character(Muslim character) did not even act like how a Muslim should be. Its just so disrespectful. Astaghfirullah.

May Allah (s.w.t) guide us to the straight path. Ameen.

Wasalam.

<Nazihah>

[abrother4truth]

Brother and sisters As Salaamu Alykum


Having said that, it speaks volumes of Hindu resentment for Muslims especially the script writer. Qur'an tells us emphatically that the unbelievers will not stop their persecution of Muslims, not until Muslims believe like they do.:astag:

Boycotting movies is a excellent idea but will really only impact on their finances if done by the entire Muslim Ummah as a whole. The loss to Bollyhood can be best spent on Islamic Da'wah to the Hindus, as muslims we owe it to them. Just think that on al youmui deen when they are questioned, they will answer that the Muslims did not invite them to Deenul Islam.

Why do you believe that "unbelievers" persecute you?
Is it not true that you are allowed to practice your religion freely in India.
Is it not true that you are allowed to hold jobs and government jobs freely in India?
Is it not true that there is a separate penal code based on Sharia for muslim communities in India?

So where is the persecution?

Did you know that Hindu temples are being destroyed in Malaysia?
Did you know that the Christian Bible is not allowed in Saudi Arabia?

Who are the real persecuters? Even though you cry persecution all the time the fact is that the real persecution is in Islamic (religious ruled) countries.

Why can't you simply live in peace with your Christian, Hindu, Jewish, and Atheist brothers?? Why do you wish to make the world believe what you believe? Can you not live in peace if your Hindu and Christian brothers and sisters in India do NOT want your "Dawah"??

[abrother4truth]

Bollywood's anti Islamic stance is mainly due to Kashmir cause and the creation of Pakistan which was a part of India and separated on ideological basis.
THERE is a strong campaign going on in Pakistan to ban these movies .Specially in Northern province of Pakistan any person caught watching or selling these movies is FINED AND HIS HAIR AND EYE BROWS ARE SHAVED.

So this is a good response?? This is justice?? What happened to freedom? Why does it bother you that someone wants to watch a Bollywood film? What are you afraid of?

[abrother4truth]

You can not call a person a Muslim if his/her name is just like muslims. Bollywood actors (which u have mentioned Muslims) are not muslims. their names are just like Muslims.
Allah Hafiz


Very sad my friend. Anyone who does not think like you is automatically NOT a muslim? Who gave you the right to determine what a persons beliefs are and whether they are true to their faith or not? Do you know these people personally?

You are very sad... may you one day find peace in your heart instead of the hatred you have against people who do not think like you.

[abrother4truth]

It's really disgraceful to watch bollywood movies which portrays on Islam (mostly). There's one movie called 'Fanaa', they have this song i think tittled as "SubhanAllah". The movie is not even presenting the character as a religious person. The character(Muslim character) did not even act like how a Muslim should be. Its just so disrespectful. Astaghfirullah.

May Allah (s.w.t) guide us to the straight path. Ameen.

Wasalam.

<Nazihah>

How many Islamic movies portray ANY non Muslim in any good light? The point of these bollywood movies is entertainment... NOT religious instruction. They are painting Muslims, Hindus, Christians, EVERYONE as peace loving. Why does that bother you? How is it against Islam if the movie does not portray the religious side of the character?? He is a human character first not a religious one.

[abrother4truth]

O boy, I know I'll catch heat for this but here goes, THAT VIDEO IS AN EXAGGERATION.

As for the woman, being a Muslim and also using a Cross that's Bollywood for You, you find similar stupidity concerning portrayal of Hindus. There are no doubt some movies with this kind of thing but on the most part that video is basically Just showing a bad portrayal of Muslims by taking short clips of movies out, I'll give you an example. The woman in the Hijab about to shoot that other woman, it probably was for a good reason and if you noticed a man being portrayed as a Muslim stopped her saying "What are you doing?" in Hindi.

No doubt, Bollywood is some real stupidity and it's better off done with but I'm just telling you from an unbiased stand point, I myself used to watch these movies, that this is just such an exaggeration. I can tell u right now there are so many Movies where Muslims are shown as a devout, but at the same time peaceful people...

:salam2:

Thank you for at least telling the truth. If it were my words no one here would believe me.
The fact is that 99% of Bollywood movies show Muslims to be good people. The movie clip that this person pasted was about politicians who were trying to fool the public into religious hatred.
The point of this movie was to STOP religious hatred and killing. The person who started this thread obviously has an agenda and is trying to spread mistruth... I hope you will be wise enough to use your own heads and think before reacting and believing.

peace

[*Saniyah*]

Very sad my friend. Anyone who does not think like you is automatically NOT a muslim? Who gave you the right to determine what a persons beliefs are and whether they are true to their faith or not? Do you know these people personally?

Do you know a definition of a muslim?

[abrother4truth]

Okay, first of all: if this is what India calls entertainment ... wow, what garbage. I almost wonder if I'll ever be able to watch ANY movies again now that I'm a Muslim.

Secondly, where does the hate come from? Perhaps there WERE some misguided Muslims that did execute judgement in the past? Hate only begets hate, killing only begets more killing. "Peace be with you" is the first and last thing to come out of a Muslim's mouth when speaking, generally.

Coming from Christianity, I fully understand that there are good believers and then there are misguided believers - of every faith. I can accept that there may have been killing in the past. What I can't accept is that India's entertainment industry is wallowing in that hatred, and by doing so they inflict torment on themselves and onto others (Muslims, in this case).

May Allah open their eyes to LIFE, as well as the truth about the hereafter. Wow, just wow... This sort of "entertainment"/thoughts get noone anywhere; What positive growth can come of this? Ever heard of forgiveness? Ever heard of being brothers and sisters in humanity? Gah ...

I want to learn more about the history and the reasons for the hatred, but I don't think I'll be able to bring myself to watch much more of these Islamophobia videos just yet. They break my heart... Would someone please give me a brief, and fair history of the Pakistan/India conflict? I know Pakistan/Muslims are partly to blame as well as India/Hindus, but beyond that I know nothing.

Thank you Ahmed for being open to peace. I hope that many of your brothers and sisters will open up and have the same type of mentality as you.

You said you wanted to know the history of why Hindus have a hatred for muslims... first of all Hindus do not hate muslims. Hinduism teaches that all religions are the path to God.... just like many books may teach Algebra in a different way yet all of them lead to the same knowledge.

The hate is not for Muslims in General but for the Islamist movement. The problem began when India was invaded hundreds of years ago. India was a very prominent and thriving subcontinent for thousands of years. Islam was spread throughout India by force and destructions. Many millions of Hindus were murdered. That is a sad and unfortunate fact.

Despite this, most Hindus do not hate Muslims. There have been many tragedies over the years... many involving Hindus killing Muslims and vice versa, but these are largely due to some politicians trying to keep their popularity by inciting hate.

That is what the movie (from which the above clip was obtained) is about.

The problem unfortunately has many angles because there are many hard line muslims in India who want to see India become a muslim state once again, and they want to subjigate the Hindus. There have been terrorist bombings of temples, machine gun killings of people going to or coming from Hindu pilgramage, etc.

Despite this, the fact remains that Muslims (along with Christians, buddhists, etc) in India are still allowed to practice their religion freely. They are also allowed to hold all levels of jobs (in fact the last president of India was a Muslim). Hindus do not see religion first unless the person is pushing the religion in their face.

Muslims are even allowed a separate penal code in some communities where Sharia law is enforced for muslims.

Hindus do not want anything other than what most Muslims want, and that is peace and prosperity. Unfortunately there are people who are trying to spread hate and intolerance (like the person who started this topic by posting the video and misleading everyone to believe that Bollywood is anti muslim).

peace 2 u

[abrother4truth]

Do you know a definition of a muslim?

It does not matter if I know the definition... I am not accusing someone's faith. The last guy said the MUSLIMS were not "true" muslims because they did not follow Islam like he did.

He has no right to questions someone's personal beliefs/religion or lack thereof. If Salman Khan (a bollywood actor) says he is a muslim then why does that bother you? Maybe his relationship with Islam is different than yours but who gave you the right to question that?

[*Saniyah*]

It does not matter if I know the definition...It matters. Why to stay ignorant?Why don't you take your time while you are here and learn about Islam and what means to be a muslim?

[Rimatisma]

salam,

i suggest abrother4truth if want to know about Islam, please don't take islam from anywhere, you can search in the Qur'an, from there people get knowledge about Islam and what muslims believe about christians and jewish, and what muslims should do or should not ;)

wassalam

[abrother4truth]

salam,

i suggest abrother4truth if want to know about the true islam, please don't take islam from anywhere, you can search in the Qur'an, from there people get knowledge about the ture islam and what muslims believe about christians and jewish, and what muslims should do or should not ;)

wassalam

Salam Rimatisma,
I have many friends who are Muslims. They have been family friends for many years. I do not take Islam from anywhere else (not even my Muslim friends). I am happy in my faith in God and I do not fear what other people say. Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus... all are created by God. There is ONE God so all of these religions pray to the same one God.

The problem I have with anyone (no matter what his religion) is blind hate and hate for anyone who does not believe like you. God has given everyone choice and free will... no one has right to questions another's beliefs.

Peace 2 u my friend

[abrother4truth]

It matters. Why to stay ignorant?Why don't you take your time while you are here and learn about Islam and what means to be a muslim?

My friend, if I called you ignorant would you not be offended? Just because your beliefs are not like mine does that make your beliefs ignorant?

I am a friend to all religions because all are from GOD... you want to label me as ignorant but only God will be the deciding factor. Perhaps it is you who are ignorant but I will not insult you like that because it is your choice and your free will. Let everyone decide for themselves and stop insulting others because they do not think, or choose not to think like you.

peace 2u

[*Saniyah*]

My friend, if I called you ignorant would you not be offended? Just because your beliefs are not like mine does that make your beliefs ignorant?It has nothing to do with your beliefs. You are ignorant about Islaam and being a Muslim. Just as I am ignorant when it comes to engineering, for example. So use your time for good and learn what it's all about, when you are here.

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2426

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2432

[fma6]

What is going on here?
We all have free will, and we all choose what we decide to follow.
There is no compulsion in religion.
Let us just co-exist peacefully here and learn from one another

Saniyah: It seems to me that you are repeatedly telling brother4truth to learn,learn Islam.Just let him be. Let us all do our thing. No shoving anything down anyone's throat
:)

[Salem9022]

It does not matter if I know the definition... I am not accusing someone's faith. The last guy said the MUSLIMS were not "true" muslims because they did not follow Islam like he did.

He has no right to questions someone's personal beliefs/religion or lack thereof. If Salman Khan (a bollywood actor) says he is a muslim then why does that bother you? Maybe his relationship with Islam is different than yours but who gave you the right to question that?

--Salman Khan is not Muslim anymore, because the Indian Muslims there have considered him to be a Kaffir, because he went into a Hindu temple and worshiped the statue of one of those elephant gods, and he isn't musilm anymore. As for our relationship with Islam, Islam is a Deen a way of LIfe, we don't have relationships with Islam, we practise Islam, we don't practise our whims and desires, and from your post It' seems you are very weak in your religion, which is fine but please don't talk of subjects without knoweldge, because knoweldge perceeds speech, meaning if you don't have knowelsge of something better not to speak about it. My Advise to you is that you learn about your deen with the Understanding which the Salaf had.

[*Saniyah*]

Saniyah: It seems to me that you are repeatedly telling brother4truth to learn,learn Islam.Just let him be. Let us all do our thing. No shoving anything down anyone's throat
:salam2:

Aren't we all here to learn? Some come to provoke though. You should read first his posts in different threads, full of prejudices. What are his intentions?
So my advice was to learn before he speaks about things he knows nothing about. I don't see that as shoving down anyone's throat. Also this site has some rules.

wa salaam

[mosabaig]

Assalam O alakum,

We as muslims are not encouraged to take make pictures wheather moving or still of humen or animals.

May Allah guide muslims of today, who find thousands reasons, to put aside this order of Allah and cannot forego the temptation of atleast watching if not making it, or would rather love the good images of islam for the sake of these watcher.
Although these images look qute but the are too.......:salah:.......what to say: :astag:

[Sakeena]

Please read! Down below whgat John says abt Muslims!!! :astag:

http://siraaj.wordpress.com/2006/07/09/muslims-as-portrayed-by-bollywood/

[A Kashmiri]

Asallamu Alaikum

Lot of discussions on why the Indian movies show things which are either misinterpretation of Islam or have nothing to do with Islam but still are characterised as muslims.

Indian Cinema has moved from being an art to a big commercial industry. To potray muslims as bad and evil goes in hand to hand with the current political system and the most of the Indian population who are Hindus. They definetly catch the Hindu Fanatic population in the country and they love to watch muslims as evil and being destroyed during the film.

Also Kashmir is the biggest problem for the Indian masses, it is a thorn in the throat of India, now a days you will see lots of Movies being made on Kashmir by bolly wood wherein Kashmiri freedom fighters are evil and villians, indian soldiers as heros. These movies make good money.

Unfortunately there is a huge presence of the so called muslim in the industry but they are too corrupt and too ignorant and far away from islam, for them it doesnt matter how muslims are potrayed.

The other reason is the weak muslim population in india which is mostly uneducated, financially weak, divided into groups which has resulted in no representation of these muslims by a muslim national party at the country level.
You will hear from Indian state run radio and TV stations Gurbhani - SIKH Prayer but you will never find Recitation of Quran or any islamic program even if SIKHs form less than 4 % of Indian population.

Who is to blame ? I belive Indian muslims, who still live in the dreams of being Kings and Nawabs and dont become stronger financially and educationally, and who dont have strength both intellectual and financial so that their voices and feelings are heard.


Cut it Short- WILL BOLLYWOOD DARE TO SHOW A SIKH GIRL IN ROMANCE WITH A HINDU BOY OR SHOW THE SIKH AS MILITANTS TODAY EVEN IF KHALISA MOVEMENT IS STILL ALIVE IN INDIA ???

May Allah show mercy on the indian muslims.


Wasallam

[mali1]

Asallamu Alaikum

Lot of discussions on why the Indian movies show things which are either misinterpretation of Islam or have nothing to do with Islam but still are characterised as muslims.

Indian Cinema has moved from being an art to a big commercial industry. To potray muslims as bad and evil goes in hand to hand with the current political system and the most of the Indian population who are Hindus. They definetly catch the Hindu Fanatic population in the country and they love to watch muslims as evil and being destroyed during the film.

Also Kashmir is the biggest problem for the Indian masses, it is a thorn in the throat of India, now a days you will see lots of Movies being made on Kashmir by bolly wood wherein Kashmiri freedom fighters are evil and villians, indian soldiers as heros. These movies make good money.

Unfortunately there is a huge presence of the so called muslim in the industry but they are too corrupt and too ignorant and far away from islam, for them it doesnt matter how muslims are potrayed.

The other reason is the weak muslim population in india which is mostly uneducated, financially weak, divided into groups which has resulted in no representation of these muslims by a muslim national party at the country level.
You will hear from Indian state run radio and TV stations Gurbhani - SIKH Prayer but you will never find Recitation of Quran or any islamic program even if SIKHs form less than 4 % of Indian population.

Who is to blame ? I belive Indian muslims, who still live in the dreams of being Kings and Nawabs and dont become stronger financially and educationally, and who dont have strength both intellectual and financial so that their voices and feelings are heard.


Cut it Short- WILL BOLLYWOOD DARE TO SHOW A SIKH GIRL IN ROMANCE WITH A HINDU BOY OR SHOW THE SIKH AS MILITANTS TODAY EVEN IF KHALISA MOVEMENT IS STILL ALIVE IN INDIA ???

May Allah show mercy on the indian muslims.


Wasallam

Inshallah and Ameen to your dua for Indian muslims. I hope and pray the same for all muslims around the globe.

I can go into a lengthy discussion and negate all that you have written here (such as "TV stations have Gurbhani" - They have Quran as well and moreover Peace TV is originally from India) and other stuff about everything else but will not do that because I respect your opinion.

One thing though - I agree to your comment that Indian Cinema is more commerncial than being art now. However, at the same time I relaise that the clippings that you have picked from the movies are all one sided. All the movies that you have picked up the scenes from, show that there are good as well as bad people in all communities. But in the end, they show that Muslims are as much par tof India as any other person from a different religion.

Regarding your comment about Indian muslims being either too weak or careless, please name me one non-muslim nation where the first president of the country was a muslim, or name me one non-muslim country which has the 2nd largest muslim population in the world (even a muslim country). India has that distinction.

I hope and pray that we stop blaming other religions for the condition that we (the Ummah) are in as we are no better (probably worse) in muslim countries (such as ban on covering ur head in Turkey, Shia-sunni riots etc).

Allah hafiz

[Yusuf1990]

What an actual joke.

Almost as funny as the amount of 'gods' they worship :P

(Allah forgive me)

[Abel213]

I agree with the previous poster and I guess some Hindus are still angry that Islam came and abolished their caste system and sex temples(not permanently, their thriving today). You do know that in the poorer areas, they sell their girls to temples where men pay to have sex with them? I had to do a project on this a few months ago. Many of the men have AIDS and they think that if they have sex with a virgin, it will cure them of HIV. India has one of the highest rates of AIDS/HIV in the world. Still, they are a very poor people so I have some pity for them.


Allah please have mercy on the Hindus and guide them to Islam. Amin.

[ohhockleng]

Assalamualaikum brothers and sisters, I've actually just wasted 10minutes of time today watching nonsense.

[HaQRehman]

:salam2:

A good and informational movie :ma:

:wasalam:

[Proud_2b_Muslim]

:salam2:
jazak Allah khayran

[ruki4eva]

:salam2:
i don't know how people sit and watch a bollywood movie for hours and hours which do no benefit what so ever and its all rubbish a waste of time
god knows what hollywood is and in most bollywood films all you would see is hatred and fights along with that you see them worshipping so many things lol May Allah forgive me if i said anything wrong
May Allah guide us all Ameen
:wasalam:

[shaheerpak]

aslam o alikum
Yea i stopped watching those movies cuz of this I cant believe how much that media is trying to turn ppl against muslims

[sister amina]

assalamualaikum brother and jazakallahuljannah for posting this video.
this is the problem with these people on one side they boast about some kind of ''secularity,fraternityand brotherhood''and on the other side they portray us muslims in this way, calling, us maniacs and extrmeists.may allah guide us all.

[Nurain]

Wow. Utter dramatism. What nonsense.

[Salem9022]

Bollywood is like the Amatuer version of Hollywood without the special effects lol. I don't know if 50% of the viewers are Muslims, that is News to me. I would kind of Understand why Indians/Pakistani/Bangalaies would watch it since it is like the same language but I don't understand why now Arabs or Somalies watch it? They don't speak the language so why would they start watching it? Because Bollywood and India is now targeting the Arab and wider Muslim world and exporting not only Bollywood but Indian/Hindu Ideas and beliefs in those countries. Just recently they signed a deal in the UAE I think to set up a Bollywood studio, why would they want it an Arab country? why not Britain or America? Bollywood also likes to make videos of Muslim Women as Victims of Islam and Muslim Men, they also like to Make videos of Muslim women Falling in Love with Hindu and Sikh Men, Because they know it's against Islam for a Muslim women to marry a Kaffir. But I think they have an Obsession to marrying women so they can convert them to their "culture" and religion. But I don't know the Obsession in Arab countries and Somalians of Bollywood? It's just piece of Garbage. If you Put Fox News on a Movie Stage you will get Bollywood. We as Muslims should not allow Bollywood and any one who works with them like Skaru Kan set up any stage or studios in our countries or else they will start to change your culture and beliefs.

[Salem9022]

What an actual joke.

Almost as funny as the amount of 'gods' they worship :P

(Allah forgive me)

Or the Amount of curry they eat haha

[abubaseer]

:salam2:

Ironically, Bollywood has an army of Muslim Actors, Writers Singers, Musicians etc...

:wasalam:

[Nurain]

Bollywood is like the Amatuer version of Hollywood without the special effects lol.

Are you sure brother? Their slaps and punches produces exaggerated sounds - YOW! The one slapped can fly as far as to the other end of the room. And it seems that everyone knows the same dance steps to make, cleaners, grandmothers etc. alike.

Still, garbage.

[maninfosys2003]

Assalam
I being an Indian, let me clarify to the one-sided opinion, Brothers r having by choosing certain clips from Bolywood...

I am making the correction..

The Indian Movies w.r.t. Islam/Muslims has nowhere portrayed exclusively Muslims as gangsters nor have portrayed Islam as a hateful religion.
Ofcourse they have portrayed Pakistan as belligirent country which is agreed to according to the avg opinion of an Indian (Muslim/Hindu)
Nor do they have an intention to provoke Hinduism/Polytheism to other faiths (Islam etc).
Polythiesm/Idol worship is a culture of an avg Hindu, and the same is portrayed in movies...They have no intention for any muslim on that, nor do they expect Muslims to see that...
An avg Muslim should abstain from Indian movies the same way as they should avoid going to places like Temples (IDOLs),Brothels/Clubs in accordance with Islamic laws which forbid raising eyes against a ghair Woman/indecency., and should avoid involvement of politics or blame theories on others who do things based upon their cultures (rather than any wrong intention)......


So my request is to avoid Blamegame upon Indian politics or entertainment, rather we should try to correct our Brothers by advicing them not to see any movie, whether its a Pakistani or Indian, as both are not allowable in Islam.......As far as Hindu-Muslim relationships been portrayed in Bollywood, I Can assure by Swearing in the name of Allah, that Bollywood have been instrumental in making relationships better by portraying Muslims as GENTLE / Lovable to all religions...The reason that in India , Communal Hateful people are not elected, its partly becoz of the influence of Indian Media and Bollywood..You accept it or not...If you dont accept, I wont suggest you that you see all the movies there, but I would suggest you to leave to Allah and Indian muslims to decide what is the truth....

Allah Hafiz

[maninfosys2003]

Assalamu Alakum Brothers/Sisters

Sometime I feel really sad about the situation of deteroirating standards of Living in Muslim Society,...And only recently that I started realising, that perhaps muslims have lost the WISDOM to understand others viewpoints / inside story, they have attributed all their miseries to the Alleged conspiracies of the outside world and so on....
I am pasting some stuff from an article which clearly demonstrate the kind of discussion we are having between Brother "abrother4truth" and other brothers....For that matter the message is for those who have been unnecessarily advising him....

“Anybody desirous of success should spend some time in introspection (self-observation) and contemplation (observation).”



Conspiracy or not, Muslims are to blame for the terrible backlash against Muslims in Western Media. The simple reason is that when a crazy Christian does something terrible, everyone in the West knows it is the actions of a mad man because they have some knowledge of the core beliefs and ethics of Christianity. When a mad Muslim does something evil or foolish they assume it is from the religion of Islam, not because they hate us but because they have never been told by a Muslim what the teachings of Islam are all about. That's why they label Muslim as Muslim, while they label Individual for others.

Their political discourse remains the same as earlier, blaming others for their plight and arguing that they are discriminated against in India...But Indian Muslims need to do some collective introspection as well. For fifty years, the religious and political Muslim elite has not shown any interest in the socio-economic betterment of Muslim masses."

Various arguments are given to explain this predicament. Many Muslims claim that this is a result of an alleged ‘conspiracy’ hatched by others. A large number of Muslim religious leaders, not just in India alone but elsewhere too, seek to explain many of the serious problems of the Muslims in this manner. They claim to locate the ‘hidden hand’ of others behind all their manifold problems. Some of our ulema or religious leaders also seek to provide what they claim is religious justification for this sort of explanation, before which people, even those who are not satisfied with the narrow-mindedness of the approach of these ulema, are forced to keep shut.

In my opinion it is not true to say that the Indian Muslims have no problems at all simply on account of being Muslims and that, in practice, they enjoy equal opportunities in every field with others and that all fields are equally open to them. Nor, however, is it true to say that all, or even most, of these doors have been closed to them and that oppression has now come to be a matter decreed by Fate for them. It is unfortunate that many of our religious leaders believe that the only way out is for a messiah-like figure to appear to deliver them from the situation in which they find themselves. It is equally unfortunate that the Muslim political leadership considers heated rhetoric, empty sloganeering and angry demonstrations as the solution

On the internal front, the single major problem afflicting the Indian Muslims is their woeful state of education. If, after independence, we had focussed simply on promoting education as our agenda, I believe that half the problems that we appear to be confronted with today would not have existed. It is in the field of education and knowledge that we should be focussing our energies, not in engaging in endless controversies with others.

For the Indian Muslims, and Muslims all over the world in general, an intellectual renaissance has now become indispensable. This includes a renaissance in their political, social as well as religious thought. There must be a re-thinking of certain strongly-held notions that have come to be seen an essential part of traditional Islamic thought, although these may not actually be so. In this regard, ijtihad or critical reflection on issues is of immense importance and we can no longer avoid it. Unfortunately, however, many of our ulema continue to ignore, and even deny, the need for ijtihad. Many Indian ulema have simply no idea of the needs and conditions of today’s age. They simply lack the capacity to understand the demands of the times and the need for appropriately addressing these issues. This is a matter of very grave concern.

One issue of considerable importance in this regard is that of relations between Hindus and Muslims. There is an urgent need to revise certain traditional negative understandings upheld by some of our ulema about Hindu-Muslim relations, and to articulate alternate understandings that can help promote, rather than hinder, cooperation and friendly relations between these two communities. Some of our ulema, based on an incorrect understanding of certain verses of the Quran and Hadith reports attributed to the Prophet Muhammad, erroneously argue that true friendship is impossible between Hindus and Muslims. Some of them seek to equate the polytheists of Arabia with the Hindus, and, on this basis, claim that Hindus are the biggest enemies of the Muslims. This, in my view, is not at all correct because the polytheists that the Quran refers to as enemies of Muslims are those who fiercely opposed the Prophet and waged war against him. The laws related to them, I believe, cannot be applied to other people who are not open and avowed enemies of Muslims.

In this regard I must also mention that many Arab ulema are unaware of contemporary global political developments. They have no understanding of the particular conditions and contexts of Muslims living in largely non-Muslim countries, which some of them wrongly brand as dar ul-harb. This is completely wrong. Further, their thought is moulded by the tradition of jurisprudence that developed in the context of Muslim political supremacy. Their writings often leave an indelible impact on simple minds. They rant and rave against secularism by branding it as ‘anti-Islamic’, and have produced huge amounts of literature to make this point. And because the madrasas do not teach their students to relate the tradition of Islamic jurisprudence to changing social and political conditions and contexts, they are unable to understand these vital issues properly and so become wholly conditioned by the contents of this sort of literature. This is an issue that urgently needs to be addressed.

In every country, minorities do face additional problems and issues, and it is unlikely that these can ever be fully resolved. The correct approach in this regard is to accept these conditions as facts and then to work for realistic solutions, instead of stirring unnecessary controversies. Unfortunately, we Muslims focus all our attention on seeking to highlight the causes of our problems instead of working to solve them in a practical, pragmatic and sensible manner.


Unfortunately, the West does not know what every Muslim scholar knows; that the worst enemies of Islam are from within. The worst of these are the khawaarij who delude others by the deeply dyed religious exterior that they project. The Prophet, peace be upon him, said about them, “When you see them pray you will consider your own prayers insignificant. They recite the Quran but it does not exceed the limits of their throat.” In other words, they don’t understand the true meanings. The outward religious appearance and character of the khawaarij deluded thousands in the past, and continues to delude people today. The Muslims should be aware that despite the khawaarij adherence to certain aspects of Islam, they are extremists of the worst type.

Our Prophet said, peace be upon him, “Beware of extremism in your religion.” Islam is the middle way between excess and neglect. Zealots are a plague upon religion. These extremists come in two types. The first is a reactionary extremist who falls far right of a centre-point. Reactionary extremists do not want any pluralism; they view the world in melodramatic, black and white, good and evil terms. They are good and anyone who opposes them is evil. From among the Muslims these are people who ‘excommunicate’ any Muslim who fails to share their interpretations of the Quran. They use takfir and character assassination as a tool for marginalising any criticism directed at them. (This is what I am seeing in the discussion between brothers in this thread)...

Muslims on the other hand, generally prefer to attack the West as the sole reason for their problems when the truth is we are bankrupt as a religious community and our spiritual bankruptcy has led to our inability to even deliver the message of Islam to Westerners in a time when they were giving us platforms to do so.



It is ironic that the Western media while producing many vile programs on Islam has also produced and aired material of the highest quality with a high level of accuracy only to be vilified by Muslims because it was not good enough. Where is our media? Where are our spokespeople? Where are our scholars? Where are our literary figures? The truth is we don’t have any - and so instead of looking inward and asking painful questions such as why we don’t have such things and such people, we take the simple way out by attacking people whom Allah tells us will do mean things, say bad things and plot against us. And always when we are warned we are told to be patient, to work for the good, to trust in Allah, to return to Allah, to implement our deen.


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From shock and denial modes, the Indian Muslim community has recently begun to introspect and take positive efforts.....For instance, Recently Muslim scholars, activists and clerics got together and issued fatwas delinking Islam with terror. An eighteen coach Sheikh ul Hind Express from Deoband carrying two thousand clerics set out on a journey with a message of peace and integration.A total of six thousand clerics from twenty one states met in Hyderabad to issue more fatwas against terror activities.
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[maninfosys2003]

I only learnt one major thing from Islam and my experience from interaction with people of various nationalities and religion..

I am now going to write based upon a thread which was another instance of Conspiracy theories proven by using Videos from similar elements who uploaded videos of Bollywoood, to incite hatred against Hindus...(which i would say are equivalent to the
cooked and processed verses written by St. PAUL while he was day-dreaming of the Lord and Incorporating the same in BIBLE.)



i.e. Mumbai blasts - The inside story http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46973

The thing that I learnt, is something really essential for us to establish and sustain Islamic truth on Earth...
And the thing is
"Speak to the point, and speak with confidence only if you have 100% sure about it"..
"Dont just present a Conspiracy which you feel / dream about or read about"
"Dont use that media for reference which might be biased towards your religion or nationality...Excellent e.g. for the same is Siasat.com (hyderabad) and Pakalert.com (pakistan) or Brasstack.pk (most biased Pakistani site spreading hatred and falsehood against India)
"The article that makes the best sense is the one which is derived from the media which is non-Islamic and which makes an Unbiased approach and which works really hard to dig the center of problems..The best e.g. for the same in India is "http://hindu.com/ and http://tehelka.com/"...In addition to these Major Indian Media Channels like NDTV and IBNLIVE are all Unbiased to the best of my knowledge...These mentioned sites are known for exposing Hindu terrorists over the years and I generally refer these for sending any articles (of atrocities on minorities)
Don't use that media for reference, which has journalists just writing news as HEARD rather than those news AS SEEN.
"Dont do much of suspicion, even though you might have faced a simlar situation in the past (like 911 for USA, or Samjauta express)
"Treat each new problem with a fresh , relaxed , open mind rather than with the mindset of previous bad experiences
"Learn to give the benefit of the doubt to the community/region who actually suffered it and who actually is having a real Time Live Telecast on the same and also having a Hard Time to digest tremendous losses... ( reference to Mumbai Attack )
"Try to acknowledge who actually suffered and who is gaining out of that...To my knowledge its only the Indians who have lost lot of Entrepreneurs including the Entire Family of The Hotel General Manager and Commandos and Police and even Jewish families...
"Indians Lost not just ATS Chiefs, it also lost Policemen, Commandos...If they were doing a fake rehearsal, how come we see them losing their lives, and their parents heedless of the same.
Don't use politicians like Antulay or Pranab or Karakare's death, for ascertaining your point.. After all these people have never been EYE-WITNESS to the event..
Speak only things relevant to the situation and don't add SALT to the wounds....Keep ISLAM and Muslims out of the loop....


Smartness and Wisdom is the key to make people hear from you...
if we just believing in fellow friends/local media and keep forwarding provocatiive news to others without ourselves confirming the same, then
one day we would end up being a LIAR who is spreading the religion thorough maipulation of truths and sword (which we know is not the case).

[yassine1003]

just great :)