Imam Sudais in Pakistan

[alkathiri]

Assalamulaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh

Beautiful Dua By Sheik Sudais In Pakistan
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Maghrib Salah in Pakistan
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sheikh sudais - 30th of may 2007 - du3a after fajr in lahore, Pakistan
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[alkathiri]

Islam not religion of anarchy: Imam-e-Kaaba
Source: Daily Times - Pakistan





LAHORE: Thousands of people on Wednesday attended sermon of Imam-e-Kaaba at the Badshahi Masjid.

Imam-e-Kaaba Sheikh Abdur Rehman Alsudais in his inspirational sermon said that Islam was not a religion of subversion and anarchy. He said it was a faith, which was based on construction, development and progress.

He said Islam was the cornerstone of Muslim brotherhood. He said it was a source of strength and prowess. Acquiring knowledge, which was pivotal for the spread and advancement of Islam, was mandatory upon all Muslims, he said. He said through equipping themselves with the latest sciences, the Muslims could revive glorious days of Islam. Imam-e-Kaaba said Pakistan was the citadel of Islam. He said its inhabitants should devote their energies, capabilities and skills to the progress of Islam as well as their country. It was their love for Islam that they left no stone unturned in making their religion among the world’s top religions.

Sheikh maintained that Islam was a faith of moderation. He said it did not promote extremism. He said Islam had discouraged factionalism, regionalism, sectarianism and any other schism. By following golden teachings of Islam, he said, the Muslims could obtain prosperity, peace and progress in the world.

He observed that strength of Muslims was in their unity. He said they were a force to be reckoned with as long as they were united. Enemies of Islam were hell-bent on creating gaps among the Muslims across the world, he said. He said the Muslims should follow the teachings of Islam. To give practical shape to their devotion to Islam, he said, the Muslims should acquire knowledge and act upon the golden principles of Islam.

At the end of his address, he raised slogans of Pakistan Zindabad and Pak-Saudi Friendship Zindabad.

Elahi thanks Saudi Arabia for support: Chief Minister Pervaiz Elahi said on Tuesday that Saudi Arabia had always supported the Islamic world throughout history. He told people gathered to hear the Imam of Kaaba’s speech at Badhashi Mosque that Saudi Arabia and Pakistan could play an important role in meeting the challenges faced by the Islamic world. He also praised the imam for educating Muslims about the evils of terrorism, violence and intolerance. Later, he told a dinner hosted by the Punjab government for the imam at Lahore Fort that Saudi Arabia had stood by Pakistan since the latter’s creation and supported it during tough times. He also said the Punjab government would be honoured to prepare the Ghilaf-e-Kaaba if the Saudi government gave it an opportunity.
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[MOSABJA]

I will have to say with much regret that IMAM SUDAIS is now being used by MUSHY for political stability .At the moment when people of Pakistan stood up against Mushy .IMAM gave a statement that
PEOPLE SHOULD STAND BY THE CURRENT LEADERSHIP

IMAM forgot that is the same MUSHY who amended SHARIAH HUDOOD LAWS and handed over 600 men without trial to US .I CAN GO ON AND ON

[Rahima Ali]

true now fellow pakistani bros and sis are following busharraf.

[Globalpeace]

Asslamo Allaikum,

I had a serious row with my mum about this yesterday on the phone.

Shaykh needs to SORT OUT Saudia; we don’t need his lectures & his support for Busharraf government!

The role scholars play in Saudia in defending the government (in everything) is now being extended to Pakistan!

We don't need PUPPET SCHOLARS in Pakistan! Our Scholars have a proud tradition of taking a bullet in the chest for Islam!

The girls of Jamia Hafsa have asked the Imam a FATWA about Pakistan and it has 25 questions; I don’t have the time to translate it but some of the bits are as follows:

I urge all who can read Urdu to follow the link, below.

http://www.lalmasjid.com/nsite/homenewsdetail.php?id=6



1) Pakistan was created after the sacrifice of 6 million lives in the name of Islam? What is your ruling on the government which refuses to implement Shariah? What is the status of a person who supports such a government?
2) Shariah Court has issued a Fatwa in favour of Interest! This is a major step against the Qur’aan! What is your verdict about such a government?
3) An Islamic government should help ALL MUSLIM! What is your Fatwa on a government which helped Kuffar (USA) in killing other Muslims (Afghanees) & demolishing a government which was trying to establish Shariah?
4) For 60 years the constitution of Pakistan is based on secular English laws instead of Qur’aan/Sunnah? What is your Fatwa on that?
5) Government is backing Alcohol, free sex, intermingling of sexes, immorality in the name of Modernism , what is your Fatwa on that?
6) …..
15) What is your Fatwa on blatant hard-core *!*!*!*!-sites which are protected by the Government?
….
19) What is your Fatwa on a minister in a Muslim country hugging a Kaafir man, jumping from a plane and then kissing him on life TV?
25) Isn’t a government which does all of the above Islamically NULL & VOID? Shouldn’t perpetrators of such acts be REMOVED by force? Isn’t it the responsibility of scholars and lay-men alike to rise up and replace such a government?

We are your daughters in Islam and students of Islam and we ask of your guidance from the Qur’aan/Sunnah and a detailed reply!

We have Sisters who are being punished for shutting down a Brothel and we get FATWAS to "Calm down"....

Why doesn't the minister who kisses Kuffar men calms down?

Why don't government sponsored *!*!*!*! site operators calm down?

Why don't those who publicly denounce Qur'aan/Sunnah calm down?

This makes my BLOOD BOIL with angar & rage!

[ya allah madad]

:salam2:
Yes bro its a shame for all of us .we aren't doing our job as a Muslim.Pakistan kisi bush mush ka nhy hai.

[alkathiri]

:salam2:

Where did he throw his supprtfor Pakistan government!!??

[Globalpeace]

W-Salam,

Don't need him in Pakistan;

His likes are doing an excellent job advising the Saudi government about the status, well-being and affairs of US Soldiers stationed in Saudia (attacking Muslims everywhere in the Middle-East) and advising Saudi legal system as to why Qur'aan/Sunnah forbids Saudi Muslim woman from marrying Non-Saudi Muslim-men!

Alhum-do-lillah! Allah (SWT) has blessed us with enough Scholars who would gladly face the firing squad for Qur'aan/Sunnah but NOT compromise.

There are men in this world & then there are mice!

:salam2:

Where did he throw his supprtfor Pakistan government!!??

[alkathiri]

:salam2:

Some past scholars have been jailed before...like Imam shafii( i think), sheikh ibn Taymiyyah and Sheikh Muhammad Al muhusainy

[Globalpeace]

http://www.robert-fisk.com/sheikh_hudhaifi_khutbah_mar13_1998.htm

[alkathiri]

http://www.robert-fisk.com/sheikh_hudhaifi_khutbah_mar13_1998.htm

Any idea where he is??:shymuslima1:

Probably the best khutbah i have heard...!!!!!!!!!!

For, Rasoolullah (may peace and blessings be upon him) has said:

“Two religions cannot co-exist in Arabia.”

“The Believers, men and women, are Auliya (helpers, supporters, friends, protectors) of one another.” (Surah At-Taubah, Verse 71)

“And those who disbelieve are allies of one another, (and) if you (Muslims of the whole world collectively) do not do so (i.e. become allies, as one united block) there will be Fitnah (wars, battles, polytheism) and oppression on the earth, and a great mischief and corruption.” (Surah Al-Anfaal, Verse 73)

Allah Tabarak wa Ta’aala says:

“O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliya (friends, protectors, helpers), they are but Auliya of each other.” (Surah Al-Ma’idah, Verse 51)

Allah Tabarak wa Ta’aala says:

“They are the enemies, so beware of them. May Allah curse them! How are they denying (or deviating from ) the Right Path.” (Surah Al-Munafiqun, Verse 4)

And He also says:

“And they will never cease fighting you until they turn you back from your religion (Islamic Monotheism) if they can.” (Surah Al-Baqarah, Verse 217)




The Holy Prophet’s (may peace and blessings be upon him) last advice was:

“Expel the Jews and the Christians from the Arab lands.”

We need to go back to Quran ANd Sunna
I love islam, i love the prophet SAW. InshAllah Islam will be victorious...

Oh Allah , I make dua to u , my creator...Give the strength to fight people who go against what our beloved prophet...
Oh Allah Plz expel the non believers from Palestine and Arabia


Why do we need to US bases in mecca and medina

[Globalpeace]

Asslamo Allaikum,

Shaykh was imprisoned for a while but then he was reinstated to perform Esha in Masjidun-Nabawi...For the last year or so he has been back doing Jummuah Khutbah as well.

His 2nd wife had an apartment directly across from the Green dome of Rasul-ullah (sallaho Alaie Wassallam) & I met bunch of Australian brothers and found out that he spends Thursdays with this wife so we all went to see him...Last year Haram was extended so the Apartments are gone & I don't know where he lives now

Unfortunately we missed him but many other Brothers said he feels really happy about seeing Muslims from the West and gives them good advice etc...

His Tajweed & Recitation ROCK!

P.S: It is common observation in Madina that when he performs Salatul-Istasqa (prayer for rain); it rains in Madinah within 72 hours like clock-work and never fails....When other Imams perform it; it rains sometimes and sometimes it doesn't...

P.P.S: The best part of the Khutbah was that he did it IN FRONT of the officials of Iranian Government!

[Imad]

Assalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,

I really don't like the way you are talking about scholars brother Global Peace.
You call them Puppet scholars .

I don't think you know the real aim ( goal) of this scholars.

They want to prevent a big clash between the government and the poor people. What do you think will happen if there was a big clash?

What do you think about killing of women and innocent people by the army. Blaming scholars is very easy

The scholars are the one who advice the Hukaam. Some of them will listen and others will not listen, but it has to be step by step.

If you want to hurry take your weapons and kill Musharaf ( call him Busharraf if you want), Oke. Don't sit on your chair and blame other who are doing their best to prevent bloodshed.

Wassalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,

Imad

[virtualeye]

W-Salam,

Don't need him in Pakistan;

His likes are doing an excellent job advising the Saudi government about the status, well-being and affairs of US Soldiers stationed in Saudia (attacking Muslims everywhere in the Middle-East) and advising Saudi legal system as to why Qur'aan/Sunnah forbids Saudi Muslim woman from marrying Non-Saudi Muslim-men!

Alhum-do-lillah! Allah (SWT) has blessed us with enough Scholars who would gladly face the firing squad for Qur'aan/Sunnah but NOT compromise.

There are men in this world & then there are mice!


WOW, I didn't know that Imam of Kaabah is forbidding Saudi women from marrying non-Saudi Muslim Men. It is shocking for me. I thought it was just their government's policy.


I must say, Imam of Kaabah really did not need to come to Pakistan. Pakistani hypocrite government needed to emotionally and religiously blackmail Pakistani people and divert them from the real issue of justice.

For people who dont know much about situation in Pakistan, they should keep mum on this issue. Pakistani president has "dismissed" the Chief Justice "Qazi" of Supreme Court like a sweeper is dismissed. Pakistani Justice system is in great danger. People are protesting against it and at this moment the Imam of Kaabah is invided to get support for Bloody Government as well as to emotionally divert people's attention from protesting.

I recommend watching this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13f0jv3YOQY

Specially listen this video from 2:36

Wassalaam.

[virtualeye]

Assalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,


They want to prevent a big clash between the government and the poor people. What do you think will happen if there was a big clash?


Wassalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,

Imad

Fate of nations is written with the ink of blood. I wonder if you really know the situation of Pakistan. I wonder if you really know what Tipu Sultan, the great Muslim ruler of India said.

[Imad]

Assalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,

My dear brother it's better to give salaam. I have a Question for you.

Do you really want bloodshed?

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Watch the film ( libanon) and it could be worser if it starts in Pakistan

Why not thinking about the innocent people?

Why?

You are safe my dear brother, behind your computer. It's easy to talk.

Wassalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wbaraktuh,

Imad

[ya allah madad]

:salam2:
brother Imad who will take the initiative.Someone has to bring the change you or me.

[Imad]

Assalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,

Ya Allah protect all muslims from every evil. Ya Allah, Ya Raba el 3arch help the filestinien and all brothers and sisters from the whole world. Ya Allah stop the war between Fath el Islaam and the libanon Army. O Allah rescue the innocent people, amien

Wassalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,

Imad

[virtualeye]

Assalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,

Ya Allah protect all muslims from every evil. Ya Allah, Ya Raba el 3arch help the filestinien and all brothers and sisters from the whole world. Ya Allah stop the war between Fath el Islaam and the libanon Army. O Allah rescue the innocent people, amien

Wassalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,

Imad

WaAlaikumussalaam,


I think if those Iraqis had fought war against USA before its invasion then 700,000 thousand Iraqis whould not have died. I wonder people think we are supporting the massacres.

My point is simple, when massacre is happening without revolution then why not do it to bring revolution/?

I wonder if people know who was Musa bin Naseer and who was Badr bin Mughara, I wonder why Tariq bin Ziyad burn his boats and told his army there is no way back, I wonder why history only remembers Muhammad bin Qasim and Tariq bin ziyaad but does not remember the rulers of that time.


Wassalaam.

[Aapa]

Salaam Brother,

Alhumdullilah you have made my day. The khutba is what ALL MUSLIMS need to hear on one single day.
We need to turn to our scholars for direction. Our politicans are fools. PLease brother post this khutba under a new thread. It is mandatory reading.
Intelligent men can speak so much truth is so few words.

[island muslim]

Salaam Alaiykum,

I thought Global Peace wanted to join the British Army????? Funny... Musharaf cooperating with Bush and Blair, and Globalpeace joining the British Army amounts to the same thing i think...

[Globalpeace]

W-Salam warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,

Your opinion is respected, however...

1) Give me another name for those give Fatwas to permit Kuffar forces into Hijaz AGAINST the blatant Ahadeeth of Rasulullah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam)?

2) Give me another name for Scholars who PERMIT Muslim lands to be used to bomb Muslims? Or don't object?

3) Give me another name for Scholars who PERMIT Muslim money to be invested in Usury in City Bank?Or don't object?

4) Give me another name for Scholars who liase with Politicians who advise to MAKE PEACE to Israel in return of Muslim land?

If to protect the honour, life and wealth of the Ummah of Rasulullah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) is NOT the role (aim) of Scholars, kindly tell me; what is? because I don't get it!

So the role (aim) of scholars is to give Fatwaas about Female circumscion?

P.S: I am not knowledgable & don't get it!

Assalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,

I really don't like the way you are talking about scholars brother Global Peace.
You call them Puppet scholars .

I don't think you know the real aim ( goal) of this scholars.

They want to prevent a big clash between the government and the poor people. What do you think will happen if there was a big clash?

What do you think about killing of women and innocent people by the army. Blaming scholars is very easy

The scholars are the one who advice the Hukaam. Some of them will listen and others will not listen, but it has to be step by step.

If you want to hurry take your weapons and kill Musharaf ( call him Busharraf if you want), Oke. Don't sit on your chair and blame other who are doing their best to prevent bloodshed.

Wassalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,

Imad

[Globalpeace]

W-Salam,

You are absolutely incorrect. I WAS in the US Military & joined at 18 when I didn't know any better and was'nt practising Islam.

Furthermore this is not about me.

Salaam Alaiykum,

I thought Global Peace wanted to join the British Army????? Funny... Musharaf cooperating with Bush and Blair, and Globalpeace joining the British Army amounts to the same thing i think...

[Mohsin]

:salam2:
I think those brothers who do not have any idea whatsoever, of whats happening in Pakistan need not to subscribe to this thread as they really are not in a position to judge anyone who feels the pain for the people there. I, as a neighbour can understand what brother GP is saying and i support his views on this issue.
Those who stand there to the call of Islam are looked down upon and then if someone comes and says that whatever these oppressors are doing is ok and they need not to be confronted, it is really not an act of sincerity, (Allah forgive me for any word that i uttered in ignorance) but i can feel the pain of those brothers and sisters who are suffereing there for the cause of Allah.
May Allah strengthen them and help them bring about the much need peace and law and order in the region, aameen

[Imad]

Assalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,

Thank you brother Global Peace for your questions. May Allah subhanahu wata3ala increase our knowledge.

The aim of the Ulema is to protect this Uma from every evil. And it´s very important to supplicate to Allah to guide the rulers.

al-Fudayl said, "If I had a supplication that would be answered, I would not make it except for the leader (imaam) because when the leader becomes righteous, the towns and servants become safe and secure."

When we revolt against the leader the towns and the servants become unsafe and unsecure.

It is related by Ibn Sa'ad in Tabaqaatul-Kubraa (7/163-165): A group of Muslims came to al-Hasan al-Basree (d.110H) seeking a verdict to rebel against al-Hajjaaj. So they said, "O Aboo Sa'eed! What do you say about fighting this oppressor who has unlawfully spilt blood and unlawfully taken wealth and did this and that?" So al-Hasan said, "I hold that he should not be fought. If this is the punishment from Allah, then you will not be able to remove it with your swords. If this is a trial from Allaah, then be patient until Allaah's judgment comes, and He is the best of judges." So they left al-Hasan, disagreed with him and rebelled against al-Hajjaaj - so al-Hajjaaj killed them all.

So you see the big scholars prevent people from fighting against the ruler even if he is an oppressor, because the result of fighting the rulers are very dangerous.

The ulema of knowledge give advise to the rulers in seclusion. The advice of the ulema are sincere.

It is authentically reported from the Messenger (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) in the hadeeth of 'Iyaad ibn Ghunum who said, "The Messenger of Allaah s said, "Whoever desires to advise the one with authority then he should not do so openly, rather he should take him by the hand and take him into seclusion (and then advise him). And if he accepts (the advice) from him then (he has achieved his objective) and if not, then he has fulfilled that which was a duty upon him." Reported by Ahmad (3/403) and Ibn Abee 'Aasim (2/521) with a saheeh isnaad.

And also many of the scholars are advicing the Hukaam with goodness, maybe insha Allah they will repent. If the Hukaam don´t accept their words, they have fulfilled that which was a duty upon them.

Instead of calling them Puppets, call them ` They who follow the Sunnah`

So the role (aim) of scholars is to give Fatwaas about Female circumscion?

May Allah grand us knowledge

Wassalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,

Imad

[Imad]

Assalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,

I have a question to you my dear brother Global Peace.

You have said something about Sudais and his likes. It´s very interesting to know the source from which you have extracted this things

I will give you an example. You said

They are

advising Saudi legal system as to why Qur'aan/Sunnah forbids Saudi Muslim woman from marrying Non-Saudi Muslim-men!

I want to know from what you have extracted this information about Sudais and his likes

I don´t believe you. I think in anger you say things like this. It´s also called negative emotions which makes a person blind to tell the truth.

Wassalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,

Imad

[island muslim]

W-Salam,

You are absolutely incorrect. I WAS in the US Military & joined at 18 when I didn't know any better and was'nt practising Islam.

Furthermore this is not about me.

Salaam Alaiykum,

Very Sorry.. i mistook you for "Sir Globalpeace" who is from the UK...

wa alaiykum salaam.

P.S. It was the Sheikh Ibn Baaz who gave the fatwa justifying US forces in Hejaz (saudi Arabia)

[Globalpeace]

W-Salam,

Same person...

Shaykh Abul-Hasan Ali Nadwi (RA) co-signed it along with Shaykh Bin Baaz (RA).

Br Imad: I don't want to get arrested. :)

Salaam Alaiykum,

Very Sorry.. i mistook you for "Sir Globalpeace" who is from the UK...

wa alaiykum salaam.

P.S. It was the Sheikh Ibn Baaz who gave the fatwa justifying US forces in Hejaz (saudi Arabia)

[island muslim]

Salaam Alaiykum

Please watch this by Sheikh Feiz who lectures on our situaton... its very appropriate and its only a 6 minit video...

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmWYq0EppA4]

[island muslim]

Salaam Alaiykum

Please watch this by Sheikh Feiz who lectures on our situaton... its very appropriate and its only a 6 minit video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmWYq0EppA4

[Aapa]

Salaam,

The video is excellent. Why don't we just call a spade a spade. It is genocide. The war on terror is terror: terror on Muslims.
Muslim blood has been the envy of all.

Many of us have to be very careful; we know we are being monitored. We know what we will lose.

We have to be cryptic but We HAVE TO HOLD THE BANNER OF ISLAM.
WE CAN NO LONGER TOLERATE THE GENOCIDE;

Brothers, we do not have time to question each other. We have to unite. We have to be one mind, one soul, one body serving Allah

[island muslim]

Salaam,

The video is excellent. Why don't we just call a spade a spade. It is genocide. The war on terror is terror: terror on Muslims.
Muslim blood has been the envy of all.

Many of us have to be very careful; we know we are being monitored. We know what we will lose.

We have to be cryptic but We HAVE TO HOLD THE BANNER OF ISLAM.
WE CAN NO LONGER TOLERATE THE GENOCIDE;

Brothers, we do not have time to question each other. We have to unite. We have to be one mind, one soul, one body serving Allah

Salaam Alaiykum my sister,

i agree with you my sister in islam... for ALL muslims must unite under the banner of ISLAM.

Sheikh Feiz was persecuted in Australia for standing up to the HAQ and Alhamdulilah he did not bow and change his views nor his beleifs but left for Lebanon.

I love sheih feiz.. may allah(swt) bless him and protect him ameen.

[Aapa]

Salaam,

I have seen some of his videos. I was amazed as to how young he is and what sense Allah has bestowed on him.

If everyone of us embarked on a boat and headed east that would stop trading for at least one minute. If we can not journey to Mecca physically; it is our obligation to embark on the spritual journey. We have to do it together.

May you all have a blessed night.

[island muslim]

Salaam alaiykum,

by the way sis i forgot to mention the video has other parts... its VERY good lecture masha allah!

:)

[Imad]

Assalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,

Brother/sister island muslim,

You mentioned al Alaama Scheich Bin Baaz Rahimahu llah. What is your opinion about him?

Do you think he is a Puppet?

When was the army allowed to enter saudi Arabie?

Why was it allowed to enter Saudi Arabie?

I think people have to think deeply before they mention anything. people will think bin Baaz Rahimahu llah has allowed the killing muslims who are innocent.

First of all Sadam was declared a Kafir , so he was not a muslim. He entered a Muslim country which was Kuweit. That's one of the reasons America was allowed to enter saudi Arabie to stop the bloodshedding which was started by Saddam who was an kafir because of his Bath believes. Saudi Arabie was not able to stop Sadam.

Now Sadam has died hopefully as a muslim. Some of the scholars i think declared him muslim and Allah knows best. It's between Allah 3za Wajal and him.

Bin baaz Rahimahullah if he was right in this matter he gets two rewards and if he was wrong he gets one reward. This is one of the rules regarding the trustworthy ulema who have done their ijtihaad. He who is right has two rewards and he who is wrong has one reward.

In this regard Rahimahu llah can not be blamed for this, he was trustworthy and wanted to stop bloodshedding of muslims who are in Kuweit by Sadam who was declared a Kafir because of his bath believes.

And he used some of the evidences which makes clear it's allowed to ask help of non muslim when you are not able to prevent on your own evil which is worser.

And Allah knows best. You have always to know the reason. You hae always to tell people why something is done and when?

At that Time afghanistan was not invaded by america and also what is happening in IraQ was not known.

There was also a time america helped afganistan against the Russians. And the afghans accepted the help.

wassalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,

Imad

[virtualeye]

AssalaamuAlaikum WRWB,

I think calling a scholar as puppet is not appropriate.

These scholars are honorable, it is good that they consumed almost all of their time in learning about the ilm of Qur'an, Hadeeth and Fiqh. But the that also becomes the problem when they are not fully aware of the world politics.

Had the Taliban been aware of the worldly matters too, then they would not had been beaten like that. Otherwise that was the only government on earth which implemented Shariah to its maximum level (even they had drawbacks)


That is what I was talking to brother Hussain Muhammad yesterday, that we have to keep our faith at its peak but if only the prayers and weepings would be working then Palestinians would not be in so much miserable conditions. You have to be prepared in science and politics. Islam provided guidelines for that also.

If Saudi Arabia had to invite America into its land because they could not defend themselves from Saddam then its the fault of Saudis. That is why many many people hate those Oil well owner Arab Sheikhs and send curses on them who just have nothing else to do except building palaces and buying new cars after every few months. Can you answer why was that country so weak and miserable which has the biggest reserves of OIL in the world?

These people did not support science and technology and advancement of education and wise politics, and when they had to face Saddam's pranks then they invited that country which is considered as "Dajjal" by many many scholars. Then why should not people blame those scholars of ignorance of the world politics? I understands that they should not be rude like Brother GP, and should not call any names, they are honorable for us and after all its not the duty of scholars to govern the people but it is duty of the Caliph of Muslims to apply the guidelines of Islam. But then, those scholars are the people to provide guidelines, they have to be very much aware of the worldly matters, the science, technology, strategy and politics. Those scholars should not be fooled by the rulers who claim to be the friend of Dajjal, right?


Again,

1- You have the best scholars in all the Ummah
2- You have the home of Allah (SWT), and Roza of Rasoolullah (SAW)
3- You have huge financial resources in the form of OIL, that you dont have to beg anyone.

Then why are you miserable? Why aren't you one of the worlds most advanced, educated and dominant nation? Why do you have to beg dajjal for help?


Now, last but not the least:

Prophet (SAW) told us to get 'ilm' even if we have to go to China. Now the biggest source of knowledge, ilm (3lm) and learning was our Prophet (SAW) and his companions around. Why did Prophet (SAW) ask to get ilm even if we have to go to China? You better answer me.

If you still are not convinced then I suggest you start a new thread I will answer all your excuses InshaAllah Ta'aalaa


Wassalaam.




Assalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,

Brother/sister island muslim,

You mentioned al Alaama Scheich Bin Baaz Rahimahu llah. What is your opinion about him?

Do you think he is a Puppet?

When was the army allowed to enter saudi Arabie?

Why was it allowed to enter Saudi Arabie?

I think people have to think deeply before they mention anything. people will think bin Baaz Rahimahu llah has allowed the killing muslims who are innocent.

First of all Sadam was declared a Kafir , so he was not a muslim. He entered a Muslim country which was Kuweit. That's one of the reasons America was allowed to enter saudi Arabie to stop the bloodshedding which was started by Saddam who was an kafir because of his Bath believes. Saudi Arabie was not able to stop Sadam.

Now Sadam has died hopefully as a muslim. Some of the scholars i think declared him muslim and Allah knows best. It's between Allah 3za Wajal and him.

Bin baaz Rahimahullah if he was right in this matter he gets two rewards and if he was wrong he gets one reward. This is one of the rules regarding the trustworthy ulema who have done their ijtihaad. He who is right has two rewards and he who is wrong has one reward.

In this regard Rahimahu llah can not be blamed for this, he was trustworthy and wanted to stop bloodshedding of muslims who are in Kuweit by Sadam who was declared a Kafir because of his bath believes.

And he used some of the evidences which makes clear it's allowed to ask help of non muslim when you are not able to prevent on your own evil which is worser.

And Allah knows best. You have always to know the reason. You hae always to tell people why something is done and when?

At that Time afghanistan was not invaded by america and also what is happening in IraQ was not known.

There was also a time america helped afganistan against the Russians. And the afghans accepted the help.

wassalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,

Imad

[muharram23]

Salamu Alaykum,

See brother imad, the khawarijj are the biggest fitna to this ummah. Khawarijj say that every person who comitts a big sin, is a kafir. Everyone knows Hajjaj the khalifa, who killed sahaba. And no one attacked him nor called him a kafir from the ulema. How muslims are, that is what kind of leader they will get. If muslims stay away from shirk and bidat and follow quran and sunnah according to the salafu saleeh, inshaAllah Allah s.va will give them a rightous leader. If we blame someone who doesnt rule according to the book of Allah and call him a kafir, how many of us dont rule according to the book of Allah everyday of our life. How many prohibitions there r set by Allah but we brake them, huhh?? If a husband doesnt rule by the book of Allah at home, is he a kafir, and so onn...? So, we need to c, if something will cause more harm to the muslims than benefit, we should stay away from it. If it will cause more benefit than harm, than we should do it. C the khawarij try to attack leaders (muslim/non-muslim) and therefore causing distruction to the ummah. First of all, muslims are in a weak shape, while enemy is strong. Example, like in palestine. Someone straps a bomib and explodes himself in israel and killes maybe 3-4 inocent people, and then zionists attack with tanks, airplanes, an so on, killing dozens or even hundreds of muslims. Demolishing all their houses, prevent all money going in, and so on. I think u understand what i mean. So this is not benefit. So, we should let the ulema tell us waht to do. Also, how many muslim leaders do we actually have that rule by the book of Allah around the world? So, Musharaf is not the only one. Im not saying that im for Musharaf or against, but is there anything good that he has done for muslims? I know that alot of help came to us in bosnia during the war. Alot of tanks, weaponry and so on.

Like brother imad said, at least we can make dua that Allah guides our leader. how many of us have made a dua that Allah guides our present leaders. Allah guides whoom he wants, and leads astray whoom he wants. Hopefully i didnt offend none

BarakaAllahu feekum

salamu alaykum
muharram



Assalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,

I have a question to you my dear brother Global Peace.

You have said something about Sudais and his likes. It´s very interesting to know the source from which you have extracted this things

I will give you an example. You said

They are



I want to know from what you have extracted this information about Sudais and his likes

I don´t believe you. I think in anger you say things like this. It´s also called negative emotions which makes a person blind to tell the truth.

Wassalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,

Imad

[virtualeye]

And Brother Imad, I need to ask you one question which will be the final nail in the coffin:

Do you remember Bayt-e-Rizwaan?

The Prophet (SAW) and his 40 companions were the most precious asset of Islam and if they would be finished then Islam would have vanished. right?
Now, If it is so important to save from bloodshed those people of Bayt-Rizwaan were so precious, then why did they take an oath that they will take revenge and give out their life just because the Kuffar had supposedly killed Usman bin 3ffan (RA)?????????????????????

They did not know they should not do bloodshed?
They did not know that Islam will vanish without them?


Why 313 Muslims fought against more than 1000 infidels in the battle of Badr? Why did not they avoid in the name of saving from bloodshed and killing of their men woman and children?


Wassalaam.

[Imad]

Assalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,

My dear brother virtualeye,

The Ulema ( scholars) know the situation better than you and me. And i don't think you know the history of the sahaba better than the ulema. If you want to ask, ask the ulema and you will get your answer.

You are misinformed. Like i said before we don't want bloodshedding. If someone want bloodshedding take your weapons and go ahead. If innocent have been killed, the blame is on you.

you said

Now, last but not the least:

Prophet (SAW) told us to get 'ilm' even if we have to go to China. Now the biggest source of knowledge, ilm (3lm) and learning was our Prophet (SAW) and his companions around. Why did Prophet (SAW) ask to get ilm even if we have to go to China? You better answer me.

It's better my brother to turn back to ulema ( scholars). There is no hadieth where our prophet said we have to get ilm even if we have to go to China. So your question is not appropriate.

yes ilm is very important and you can get ilm from the people of ilm ( ahlu Thikr = scholars). There are many ahadieth and verses about the importance of ilm. You are right if you say we have to seek knowledge.

But the big problem is, you are deffending the bloodshedding instead of ilm. This contradict eachother.

I don't want to hurt anyone. I'am sorry if i have offended anyone of you. Also we have to respect the scholars.

I think it's better not to talk about this days and months, i thought it was clear.

Ghair insha Allah. You have the right to say anything what you want, but i will not respond anymore on this thread.

Ya Allah, Ya Raba El 3arch forgive our sins and give us janat el firdaus. Ya Allah help the mujahidien fi kuli makaan. ya Allah

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Take care

wassalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,

Imad

[ya allah madad]

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i think brother he was hijacked by the Pakistani govt, he wasn't intended to do so.

[Happy 2BA Muslim]

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With regard to the hadeeth mentioned in a previous post, “Seek knowledge even if you have to go as far as China, for seeking knowledge is a duty on every Muslim,” Shaykh al-Albaani said in Da’eef al-Jaami’: “(It is) fabricated.”

THREAD CLOSED

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